What is Islam?
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But I want to ask "What is the meaning of "Iblees Allah Alone"??
Salam Earthdom.
Thank you for the verses.
Facts 1 Iblees did not prostrate to Adam, and neither the Qur'an tells Iblees prostrate to others.
Without Allah's command, it would be grave disobedience to prostrate to any other than Allah.Facts 2 The Qur'an claims that all living creatures are prostrating to Allah
And to Allah prostrates
whatever is in the heavens
and whatever is in the earth
of every beast
and the Angels
and they do not wax proud
(<a href="http//quran.com/16/49">1649</a>Therefore, Iblees are prostrating to Allah.
Issue Now from the facts of the Qur'an,
Can you prove Iblees do not prostrate to Allah?
Peace.
p/s You can also refer to the <a href="http//www.tolueislam.org/Parwez/ICR/ICR_20.htm">end part of his conclusion</a>, where he lists out the differences between "Madhhab" (religion) and "Din", and Allah don't accept any religion, never (<a href="http//quran.com/3/85">385</a> ... and thus, including any reference Islam as a religion. If they claimed Islam is almost equal to religion, then it is not a religion. Simply because almost equal is not equal.
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Salam muslims.
(<a href="http//quran.com/16/49">1649</a>
Can you prove Iblees do not prostrate to Allah?
This verse is a allegorical one.Some Quran verses contains allegorical sentence such like "kill yourself" (254,456), "eat the properties" (218.
The fact is not all creatures especially humans want sujud to Allah.
sujud/sajada not simply means prostation n it's the meaning lowly, humble, submissive, worship, adore, prostrate, make obeisance, lower/bend oneself down towards the ground, lower the head, to salute/honour/magnify, to pay respect, to stand up, to look continuedly and tranquily.
So this means we cannot judge so easily if Ibees sujud to Allah.
p/s You can also refer to the end part of his conclusion, where he lists out the differences between "Madhhab" (religion) and "Din", and Allah don't accept any religion, never (385) ... and thus, including any reference Islam as a religion. If they claimed Islam is almost equal to religion, then it is not a religion. Simply because almost equal is not equal.
Yes.Islam is Allah's system and religion is a man made.
Peace )
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Salam muslims.
This verse is a allegorical one.Some Quran verses contains allegorical sentence such like "kill yourself" (254,456), "eat the properties" (218.
The fact is not all creatures especially humans want sujud to Allah.
sujud/sajada not simply means prostation n it's the meaning lowly, humble, submissive, worship, adore, prostrate, make obeisance, lower/bend oneself down towards the ground, lower the head, to salute/honour/magnify, to pay respect, to stand up, to look continuedly and tranquily.
So this means we cannot judge so easily if Ibees sujud to Allah.
Yes.Islam is Allah's system and religion is a man made.
Peace )
Salam Earthdom,
It could be many possibilities if we make a conclusion based on "speculations".
Therefore it is proper if we based our argument on facts of the Qur'an. (<a href="http//quran.com/42/10">4210</a>
Thus our main issues are
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Can you prove Iblees do not prostrate* to Allah?
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Can you prove; during the creation of Adam, Iblees prostrate* to other than Allah?
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Can you deny angels prostrate* to Allah and Adam?
- you can insert any proper meaning you like to the word "prostrate" above.
Peace.
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Facts 1 Iblees did not prostrate to Adam, and neither the Qur'an tells Iblees prostrate to others.
Without Allah's command, it would be grave disobedience to prostrate to any other than Allah.Facts 2 The Qur'an claims that all living creatures are prostrating to Allah
And to Allah prostrates
whatever is in the heavens
and whatever is in the earth
of every beast
and the Angels
and they do not wax proud
(1649)Therefore, Iblees are prostrating to Allah.
Issue Now from the facts of the Qur'an,
Can you prove Iblees do not prostrate to Allah?
1649 And to Allah prostrates whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth of creatures, and the angels, and they are not arrogant.
1650 They fear their Lord above them, and they do what they are commanded.The question to ask then is, if they do not fear their Lord above them and do not do what they are commanded, can they still be said to prostrate? Unwilling prostration and willing prostration 1315 etc; another layer to prostration in the bigger picture. Iblis did not prostrate to Allah alone willingly because he disobeyed the command that Allah gave. However, he still prostrates to Allah in the bigger picture as does everything willingly or unwillingly. The plan unfolds as the plan must, whether we are willing or unwilling; the reality remains the same.
peace
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1649 And to Allah prostrates whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth of creatures, and the angels, and they are not arrogant.
1650 They fear their Lord above them, and they do what they are commanded.The question to ask then is, if they do not fear their Lord above them and do not do what they are commanded, can they still be said to prostrate? Unwilling prostration and willing prostration 1315 etc; another layer to prostration in the bigger picture. Iblis did not prostrate to Allah alone willingly because he disobeyed the command that Allah gave. However, he still prostrates to Allah in the bigger picture as does everything willingly or unwillingly. The plan unfolds as the plan must, whether we are willing or unwilling; the reality remains the same.
peace
Salam savage_carrot,
Firstly, the scope of our discussion is in relation to the issue of "prostration" and in relation to the story of Iblees and Adam.
Secondly, the verse I have given is the facts that all living creatures are prostrating to Allah.
These are clear facts, and logically speaking, none would not prostrate to The Creator.
However, how they are prostrating to Allah?
Only Allah knows.
My main point is they are prostrating to Allah, including Iblees.
It is so since Allah said "whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth"
What are other facts from the Qur'an?
Iblees is presence with the angels when the command to prostrate to Adam.
What is his rank to be presence during the command?
Is his rank equal to that who would prostate to Allah, or who do not prostrate to Allah?
Peace.
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Firstly, the scope of our discussion is in relation to the issue of "prostration" and in relation to the story of Iblees and Adam.
Cool, so fact 2 by you was related, no?Secondly, the verse I have given is the facts that all living creatures are prostrating to Allah.
Everything prostrates willingly or unwillingly as per 1315.These are clear facts, and logically speaking, none would not prostrate to The Creator.
??However, how they are prostrating to Allah?
Only Allah knows.
They have no choice but to submit to the plan/will of the creator which is another layer in the bigger picture, willingly or unwillingly. e.g. whether they choose to believe in an ultimate judgement or not, it will still come to pass.My main point is they are prostrating to Allah, including Iblees.
Everything is, yes. Whether willingly or unwillingly.It is so since Allah said "whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth"
yes.What are other facts from the Qur'an?
Iblees is presence with the angels when the command to prostrate to Adam.
What is his rank to be presence during the command?
He was a malaika commanded to obey his Lord's directive.Is his rank equal to that who would prostate to Allah, or who do not prostrate to Allah?
He should have but he didn't, like some other malaika who were then stripped of their rank. They chose not to obey, they did not prostrate to Allah willingly but everything prostrates to Allah, the truth, the reality, willingly or unwillingly.I'm kind of confused however, what is the argument from your side? That iblis prostrates to Allah alone as does everything else so...that is enough/not enough? Does the willing or unwilling nature of such prostration not have an effect on us/everything, or is it irrelevant somehow? Is something else needed perhaps or not? Please clarify.
peace
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Everything prostrates willingly or unwillingly as per 1315.
Both red words are not in the Ayah. Relative Pronoun "Man" relates to living. There is conjunction Waw not Auo.
The statement of the translator is patently contrary to ground realities. Billiond of people do not prostrate. The Arabic text does not say what English sentence suggests.
The accusative endings reveal both the words as relating to circumstances in which the act is done.
Be aware; He who is living-exists in the Skies and the Earth submits humbly in surrender; and will acknowledge and submit humbly in surrender for Allah the Exalted; in the states arising on willful acceptance-acknowledgement with reverence; and under compulsion of coercive circumstances.
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Salam savage_carrot,
Everything is, yes. Whether willingly or unwillingly.
yes.
My point Iblees is prostrating to Allah at all material times, and you have agreed.
It does not matter willingly or unwillingly.
What matter is the facts that Iblees is prostrating to Allah, till this moment and forever.
He was a malaika commanded to obey his Lord's directive.
You are saying Iblees is "malaika" (reference?).
Then would it be reasonable to accept the facts that ..
He is prostrating to "Allah Alone" prior to the creation of Adam?
He does not associate anyone with Allah?I'm kind of confused however, what is the argument from your side?
You can refer to post #1
Peace.
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It does not matter willingly or unwillingly.
If you think so, okay.
You are saying Iblees is "malaika" (reference?).
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Then would it be reasonable to accept the facts that ..
He is prostrating to "Allah Alone" prior to the creation of Adam?
He does not associate anyone with Allah?
When you say willing or unwilling is irrelevant then what's the point of singling out iblis' prostration to Allah Alone or associating whatsoever whenever? Everything prostrates, end of. And not just in that scenario.You can refer to post #1
There is no evidence in the Quran
that Iblees prostrate to any other than AllahIblees prostrate to "Allah Alone"
Iblees is "Allah Alone"
Why single out iblis as prostrating to 'Allah Alone' when everything does? If you don't factor the willingness or lack thereof, then it's just selective for no good reason.peace
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Both red words are not in the Ayah. Relative Pronoun "Man" relates to living. There is conjunction Waw not Auo.
The statement of the translator is patently contrary to ground realities. Billiond of people do not prostrate. The Arabic text does not say what English sentence suggests.
The accusative endings reveal both the words as relating to circumstances in which the act is done.
Be aware; He who is living-exists in the Skies and the Earth submits humbly in surrender; and will acknowledge and submit humbly in surrender for Allah the Exalted; in the states arising on willful acceptance-acknowledgement with reverence; and under compulsion of coercive circumstances.
I can't understand your translation, Mazhar. Are you saying that Allah exists in the skies... and the earth only and only living beings on said earth submits humbly in surrender according to your translation? We have examples of smoke/sky and earth given choices (4111) and think that consciousness is a matter of much debate. If you think you can clarify, please start a new thread in the appropriate section, I'd be interested in reading what you make of consciousness as mentioned in the quran and what it can mean in the context of the many different scenario's presented therein. Thanks.
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Salaam,
God means that if He so wills no one has a choice but to obey. He can make anyone do something against their will should He so desire.
God bless you
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Salaam,
God means that if He so wills no one has a choice but to obey. He can make anyone do something against their will should He so desire.
God bless you
It makes little to no sense for God to force someone to make choices they didn't want to make, since that makes said choices meaningless. The system would be streamlined/efficient, the choices that we make would be ours and factored into the program, while the program would still execute according to the designed plan, the will of God. I think that we might be confusing our choices with that of God's will or in other words, God's system. We all have no choice in that regard but to submit to the system, since we are present therein, but we do have the capacity to make our choices...and those can't change the system/program in place. It will unfold as it must, we are either with the flow, drifting or against it, what determines our success or failure.
peace
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It makes little to no sense for God to force someone to make choices they didn't want to make, since that makes said choices meaningless. The system would be streamlined/efficient, the choices that we make would be ours and factored into the program, while the program would still execute according to the designed plan, the will of God. I think that we might be confusing our choices with that of God's will or in other words, God's system. We all have no choice in that regard but to submit to the system, since we are present therein, but we do have the capacity to make our choices...and those can't change the system/program in place. It will unfold as it must, we are either with the flow, drifting or against it, what determines our success or failure.
peace
Salam,
Well said. Now I think I'm starting to understand the apparent contradiction of free will and all prevailing God's will .
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Salam,
A picture is worth a thousand words.
This what we should be doing.
http//s16.postimg.org/805wdizsj/Islam.png
However, this is what we are doing today.
Standing up on "what is right or wrong on each separate elements".
Fire Based Religion Hinduism, Sunni Islam, Shia Islam, Khawarij Islam etc.
Air Based Religion Christianity, Da'wah Islam, Political Islam etc.
Water Based Religion Buddhism, Atheism, Sufi Islam, Tasawwuf, Educational Islam etc.
Earth Based Religion Judaism, Quranism Islam, Wahabi Islam etc.
Therefore, can we say any of the above religions is "Din of Islam"?
Nope, it is a religion.
And whoever seeks a "dnan" (ا other than Islam
it will NEVER be accepted of him
and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers
(385)This is what happened today within the Islamic World.
And they say
"None will enter Paradise except one who is a Jew or a Christian."
That is their wishful thinking
Say, "Produce your proof, if you should be truthful."
Yes
whoever submits his face in Islam to Allah
while being a doer of good
will have his reward with his Lord
And no fear will there be concerning them
nor will they grieve.The Jews say
"The Christians have nothing to stand on,"
and the Christians say
"The Jews have nothing to stand on,"
although they recite the Scripture.
Thus the polytheists speak the same as their words.
But Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection
concerning that over which they used to differAnd who are more unjust than those
who prevent the name of Allah from being mentioned in His mosques (system?)
and strive toward their destruction
It is not for them to enter them except in fear
For them in this world is disgrace
and they will have in the Hereafter a great punishmentAnd to Allah belongs the east and the west
So wherever you turn
there is the Face of Allah
Indeed, Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing(2111-115)
"And to Allah belongs the east and the west"
To Allah belongs the direction (intention, kiblah) and whatever you do (action, amal, madhab, religion).
As long you are in Islam to Allah and doer of good
"wherever you might turn"
"there is the Face of Allah"
"No fear will there be concerning them"
"nor will they grieve"
Now, just a philosophical statement...
as to the meaning of solat
http//s13.postimg.org/f0sag5q85/solat.png
Fire = South = Law and order = Alif = Asmaullah = and so on...
Air = West = Communication/Humanity = Lam = Afaalullah = and so on...
Water = East = Knowledge/Expertise = Lam = Sifatullah = and so on...
Earth = North = Persistence/Ground/Humble = Ha = Dzatullah = and so on...Fire + Air + Water + Earth/Soil = Planet of Earth - Sunnatullah
The formula to combine all the above elements is "just and balance" (Sunnatullah)
Since, "just and balance" has no religion.
Equally, the same principle can be applied to the business world, family institution or any other areas, ie. Policy, Communication, Expertise, and Persistence/Humble. It does not matter what you do, or how big is the tasks at hand or how big is your struggle with Islam. It is about monitoring and balancing these elements in whatever tasks in hand, balancing it in our life.
Solat. Perfection (Khusyu'.
This is jihad.
Peace.
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Jihad
And those who believe in Allah and His Messengers
they are the Siddiqun
and the martyrs (syahid) with their Lord
they shall have their reward and their light
But those who disbelieve
and deny Our Ayat (disobedience)
they shall be the dwellers of the blazing Fire
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Salaam Savage_Carrot,
This was what I meant with my short phrases. Thank you.
God bless you
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Salam,
I believe if it is true that Muhammad was performing solah.
He is not communicating the "ritual prayer", and the idea of religion.
He knew that the Ummah will revert back to the "idea of religion" and "rituals".
Therefore, he is communicating and preserving the "meaning of Islam from that ritual prayer"
The same way how human communicate and preserving messages thousand years ago.
Through "symbols" and "statues".
Is he brilliant or not? )
Peace
And in whatever thing you disagree <-- Formula for Unity - "Quran Alone" vs. "Allah Alone"
the judgment thereof is (in) Allah's (hand)
that is Allah
my Lord
on Him do I rely
and to Him do I turn
time after timeThe Originator of the heavens and the earth
He made mates for you from among yourselves <-- Differences / Descriptions
and mates of the cattle too
multiplying you thereby
nothing like a likeness of Him
and He is the Hearing
the SeeingHis are the treasures of the heavens and the earth
He makes ample and straitens the means of subsistence
for whom He pleases
surely He is Cognizant of all thingsHe has made plain to you <-- What is Islam
of the Din (l-dni)
what He enjoined upon Nuh
and that which We have revealed to you
and that which We enjoined upon Ibrahim
and Musa
and Isa
that keep to obedience
and be not divided thereinhard to the unbelievers is that which you call them to <-- Challenges - Mushrikeen (<a href="http//quran.com/30/32">3032</a>
Allah chooses for Himself whom He pleases
and guides to Himself him who turns (to Him), frequentlyAnd they did not become divided <-- Religion & Division
until after knowledge had come to them
out of envy among themselvesand had not a word gone forth from your Lord till an appointed term
certainly judgment would have been given between them
and those who were made to inherit the Book after them
are most surely in disquieting doubt concerning itTo this then go on inviting <-- Task for Muslims
and go on steadfastly
on the right way
as you are commanded
and do not follow their low desires
and sayI believe in what Allah has revealed of the Book
and I am commanded to do justice between you <-- role as Mediators and Conciliators
Allah is our Lord and your Lord vs. Provoker & create more divisions
we shall have our deeds
and you shall have your deeds
no plea need there be (now) between us and you
Allah will gather us together
and to Him is the returnAnd (as for) those who dispute about Allah <-- Warning
after that obedience has been rendered to Him
their plea is null with their Lord
and upon them is wrath
and for them is severe punishment(<a href="http//quran.com/42/10-16">4210-16</a>
A Muslim must now learn how to become Negotiator, Mediator and Conciliator. There is no religion and it is not about to spread Islam, since Islam is not a religion. It is about to spread peace, harmony and unity in the society. It's about benefiting humanity, kindness to His creation and giving to relatives. This is how people from different backgrounds and traditions are able to accept Islam by our Prophet Muhammad pbuh. Unconditional acceptance (respect) of world religious practices and balancing what is just to every living creatures. This is "Din of Islam".
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Salam
"Allah Alone"
= Prostrate to Allah Alone
= Sunni
= Syiah
= Khawarij
= Muktazilah
= Tasawuf
= Sufism
= Wahabi
= Quranism etc.God/Self Alone
= Hinduism
= Buddhism
= Christian
= Judaism
= Atheism (Self = God)
= Other religions etc"Qur'an Alone" (Book, Guidance)
= Prostrate to Allah + Sunnatullah (Khalif)
= Objective of Khalif -> Manager (To understand Just and Balance - To understand Sunnatullah)
= Manager -> To manage the Earth -> Negotiator, Mediator and Conciliator
= To bring Balance
-> Balance bring Justice
-> Justice bring Harmony
-> Harmony bring Security
-> Security bring Happiness
-> Happiness bring Love
-> Love bring Satisfaction
-> Satisfaction bring Alhamdulillah
-> Alhamdulillah bring Fear (of losing Allah's attention/guidance etc ..
as those person who are in deep love)
-> Fear will motivate us to become better human being -> Khalif
-> Khalif -> Reality
-> Reality -> Allah
= Din of IslamPeace
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FIRE
(Philosophical aspect - Fire is always in a standing position - Hablum Minallah)
http//s13.postimg.org/f0sag5q85/solat.png
Law and order within ourselves, not to others.
We are giving unconditional freedom to others according to the Qur'an, promoting peace and harmony.
We cannot change others, we can only change ourselves.
Fire -> South -> Asmaullah -> Alif -> Standing position
What should we stand for, within ourselves?
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Allah and the Qur'an (Hadith) as our guidance.
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The attributes in the 99 names of Allah.
These qualities should be existed in ourselves.
1 The Greatest Name Allah
2 The All-Compassionate Ar-Rahman
3 The All-Merciful Ar-Rahim
4 The Absolute Ruler Al-Malik
5 The Pure One Al-Quddus
6 The Source of Peace As-Salam
7 The Inspirer of Faith Al-Mu'min
8 The Guardian Al-Muhaymin
9 The Victorious Al-Aziz
10 The Compeller Al-Jabbar
11 The Greatest Al-Mutakabbir
12 The Creator Al-Khaliq
13 The Maker of Order Al-Bari'
14 The Shaper of Beauty Al-Musawwir
15 The Forgiving Al-Ghaffar
16 The Subduer Al-Qahhar
17 The Giver of All Al-Wahhab
18 The Sustainer Ar-Razzaq
19 The Opener Al-Fattah
20 The Knower of All Al-Alim 21 The Constrictor Al-Qabid 22 The Reliever Al-Basit 23 The Abaser Al-Khafid 24 The Exalter Ar-Rafi 25 The Bestower of Honors Al-Mu'izz 26 The Humiliator Al-Mudhill 27 The Hearer of All As-Sami 28 The Seer of All Al-Basir 29 The Judge Al-Hakam 30 The Just Al-Adl
31 The Subtle One Al-Latif
32 The All-Aware Al-Khabir
33 The Forbearing Al-Halim
34 The Magnificent Al-Azim
35 The Forgiver and Hider of Faults Al-Ghafur
36 The Rewarder of Thankfulness Ash-Shakur
37 The Highest Al-Ali
38 The Greatest Al-Kabir
39 The Preserver Al-Hafiz
40 The Nourisher Al-Muqit
41 The Accounter Al-Hasib
42 The Mighty Al-Jalil
43 The Generous Al-Karim
44 The Watchful One Ar-Raqib
45 The Responder to Prayer Al-Mujib
46 The All-Comprehending Al-Wasi
47 The Perfectly Wise Al-Hakim
48 The Loving One Al-Wadud
49 The Majestic One Al-Majid
50 The Resurrector Al-Ba'ith
51 The Witness Ash-Shahid
52 The Truth Al-Haqq
53 The Trustee Al-Wakil
54 The Possessor of All Strength Al-Qawiyy
55 The Forceful One Al-Matin
56 The Governor Al-Waliyy
57 The Praised One Al-Hamid
58 The Appraiser Al-Muhsi
59 The Originator Al-Mubdi'
60 The Restorer Al-Mu'id
61 The Giver of Life Al-Muhyi
62 The Taker of Life Al-Mumit
63 The Ever Living One Al-Hayy
64 The Self-Existing One Al-Qayyum
65 The Finder Al-Wajid
66 The Glorious Al-Majid
67 The One, the All Inclusive, The Indivisible Al-Wahid
68 The Satisfier of All Needs As-Samad
69 The All Powerful Al-Qadir
70 The Creator of All Power Al-Muqtadir
71 The Expediter Al-Muqaddim
72 The Delayer Al-Mu'akhkhir
73 The First Al-Awwal
74 The Last Al-Akhir
75 The Manifest One Az-Zahir
76 The Hidden One Al-Batin
77 The Protecting Friend Al-Wali
78 The Supreme One Al-Muta'ali
79 The Doer of Good Al-Barr
80 The Guide to Repentance At-Tawwab
81 The Avenger Al-Muntaqim
82 The Forgiver Al-'Afuww
83 The Clement Ar-Ra'uf
84 The Owner of All Malik-al-Mulk
85 The Lord of Majesty and Bounty Dhu-al-Jalal wa-al-Ikram
86 The Equitable One Al-Muqsit
87 The Gatherer Al-Jami'
88 The Rich One Al-Ghani
89 The Enricher Al-Mughni
90 The Preventer of Harm Al-Mani'
91 The Creator of The Harmful Ad-Darr
92 The Creator of Good An-Nafi'
93 The Light An-Nur
94 The Guide Al-Hadi
95 The Originator Al-Badi
96 The Everlasting One Al-Baqi
97 The Inheritor of All Al-Warith
98 The Righteous Teacher Ar-Rashid
99 The Patient One As-SaburWe cannot expect to enter Allah's heaven without these attributes.
Living happily in heaven while our action is inconsistent with Allah's attributes, Allah wishes?
Therefore, we should understand Allah's attributes, and mirror it in our daily action.
How to understand?
From reading the Qur'an, and it's priority according to the Allah's command in the Qur'an.
These are the conducts that are "Just and Balance".
Conducts that will qualify for the Allah's heaven, and conduct of the Prophets.
Righteous conduct .. to understand and "balance" all these attributes within ourselves.
Peace.
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