Non performers of As-Salaat are not true believers
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Peace Hawk,
You only need to the whole muslim world to see how that is working out for them. Sorry but I just could not help being a little sarcastic. )Peace god1quran1,
Sarcasism acknowledged ) however one cannot blame salat for the ills of the community.
Peace Hawk,
I can accept your understanding as long as by 'establishing prayer' you mean studying and reflecting on Quran verses and not engage in performing a set of physical actions that goes against the Quranic principles of using ones mind and intellect to get closer to God.why must one exclude the other?
Peace Hawk,
I would have to say the majority in your list do not qualify as rituals.Which are not rituals? Give list.
Brother Hawk99, Salaam!
As far as I understand there is a difference between (i) Being subservient to rule of law, and (ii) Rituals
Whereas the later i.e. Ritual is tantamount to (a) Pretention (b) Arrogance (c) Just a formality, nothing serious (d) Rigidness towards non-existent (e) fanaticismPeace ansmeh1998,
Please supply the source of your definition. Your definition appears unfounded, personal
and angry.God bless
peace
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The later verses I quoted are very clear that Shuaib has not confined himself to some physical set of actions but is actually an activist who is dedicating his time and resources to reform the Madyan people.
Just peruse the text where AsSallat is discussed and you will find all such reformative instructions alongwith it prescribed for People of Book, and believers.
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I can accept your understanding as long as by 'establishing prayer' you mean studying and reflecting on Quran verses and not engage in performing a set of physical actions that goes against the Quranic principles of using ones mind and intellect to get closer to God.
People have personal choices and relate them to so called Quranic principles. Principles are simply described
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ansmeh1998;
Salamun alaika,
Thanks for your feedback.
As-Salat is mandatory and is mentioned by the Messengers beginning with Ibrahim alahissalam the builder of Kaa'ba. Peruse the whole Qur'aan and find if any of the elevated Messengers of Allah the Exalted before Ibrahim alahissalam had ever mentioned it to his people.
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ansmeh1998, Please comment on this part
- The point in time in human history when Salaat was prescribed and ordered to be institutionalized.
The point in time in human history when Salaat was prescribed and ordered to be institutionalized
As-Salaat is demonstration of allegiance and servitude showing belief in only one Sustainer Lord. This is what they referred, they wanted to continue with polytheism.
- The point in time in human history when Salaat was prescribed and ordered to be institutionalized.
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Salaam Brother Mazhar,
I read the portion of the exhaustive article that your good self suggested. I would like to make following observations
1958-59 ? Each and every prophet irrespective of the time was the one who devotedly adhered to
Salat.(So the claim that Salat was enjoined from Prophet Ibrahim (PBUH) does not hold water.)
319, 4213, 384-85, 1072, 2278 ? All Prophets were Muslim.
(So claiming Prophet Ibrahim (PBUH) as the father of Muslims is erroneous.)
The dweller of pre-conceived minds who advocate ritualistic Salat lay emphasis on Ka?aba being built by Prophet Ibrahim and Prophet Ismail (PBUT) by twisting the meaning of some of the verses whereas none of the verses in Al-Quran suggest that Ka?aba was built by them (at least for the first time).
None of the verses of Al-Quran suggest that the previous prophets performed ritualistic Salat five times a day. I don?t know why there is an insistence for labeling Salat as a ritual.
I reiterate my earlier observation that you need to revisit the entire concept de-novo.
May Allah(swt) lead us to the Truth.
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1958-59 ? Each and every prophet irrespective of the time was the one who devotedly adhered to
Salat.(So the claim that Salat was enjoined from Prophet Ibrahim (PBUH) does not hold water.)
You need to read it with open eyes and mind starting from 1902. And see names of Messengers referred therein who maintained the instiution of Salaat and generations after them lost it.
Other Ayahs are also quoted therein in the article. Why not you refer them and refute the translation thereunder?
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Salaam brother Azhar,
Have you read them carefully from 1902 to 1959? Do you deny my observation - Each and every prophet irrespective of the time was the one who devotedly adhered to Salat? I don't know why you are in doubt? I would request you to kindly read again for the sake of clarity.
May Allah(swt) lead us to the Truth.
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Salaam brother Azhar,
Have you read them carefully from 1902 to 1959? Do you deny my observation - Each and every prophet irrespective of the time was the one who devotedly adhered to Salat? I don't know why you are in doubt? I would request you to kindly read again for the sake of clarity.
May Allah(swt) lead us to the Truth.
Salamun alaika,
You ignore qualifications attached. They all are from and after Ibrahim alshissalam; and not each and every. He was the first who was required to institute the Protocol of As-Salat.
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Salaam Brother Mazhar,
(i) You mean even Prophet Idris(PBUH) (1956) was after Prophet Ibrahim(PBUH).
(ii) You mean 'Nabiyyeen' mentioned in 1958 who were from the seed of Bani Adam, Noah and his trusted companion, Ibrahim and Israel refers to the Prophets from and after Prophet Ibrahim(PBUH).
(iii) Prophet Idris has been mentioned in 1956 as 'siddeeqan nabiyyan'. Verse 2177 defines 'sadaqoo'. I mean what qualifications are required to be called a 'siddeeq'.
(iv) To me, 1958 read with 1959 give an understanding that all the prophets adhered to Salat devotedly but the people who succeeded them lost the Salat.I would request you again to kindly have a re-look.
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Salaam Brother Mazhar,
(i) You mean even Prophet Idris(PBUH) (1956) was after Prophet Ibrahim(PBUH).
(ii) You mean 'Nabiyyeen' mentioned in 1958 who were from the seed of Bani Adam, Noah and his trusted companion, Ibrahim and Israel refers to the Prophets from and after Prophet Ibrahim(PBUH).
(iii) Prophet Idris has been mentioned in 1956 as 'siddeeqan nabiyyan'. Verse 2177 defines 'sadaqoo'. I mean what qualifications are required to be called a 'siddeeq'.
(iv) To me, 1958 read with 1959 give an understanding that all the prophets adhered to Salat devotedly but the people who succeeded them lost the Salat.I would request you again to kindly have a re-look.
Salam,
Please keep eyes on the words of Qur'aan, don't overlook a single word as is done in reading other texts; segment the sentences; do not generalize the specific information.
The aforementioned by name were those.
Prepositional Phrase about the circumstantial clause
? ? Appositive by repeating MinIt is clarified that except Easa alahissalam other people are all progeny of Adam alahissalam.
Then are mentioned by specifics.The aforementioned by name were those upon whom Allah the Exalted showered blessings. They are the members of the group of Chosen and distinctly exalted sincere Allegiants;Genetically they were the progeny of Adam and specifically of those whom We uploaded in the ship along with Noah ;
And were genetically the progeny of Iebra'heim and Iesraa'eel ; and they were whom We had guided and We had chosen.
When the Aa'ya'at of Ar'Reh'maan were recited upon them they kneeled down prostrating with eyes overflowing with tears.None of those mentioned in 1902-58 is the progeny of Noah alahissalam. They are the progeny of Men who were accompanying him in the ship-the stauch believers.
It is further made distinct that Ibrahim alahissalam is the progeny of one of those staunch monotheist believers who were with Noah alahissalam.
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Salaam Brother Mazhar,
Before I comment, let me hear you properly. I am waiting to hear about Prophet Idris(PBUH) mentioned in 1956? He was among the adherent of Salat or not?
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peace Mazhar,
These comments are with regard to this salat article of yours.
You discuss 2238 and assume there are two salat each side of al salat al wusta - why two? why not 3 each side etc
In 2238 why mention one of the five salat separately according to you, when it is already covered by the plural salawat?
According to you, which salat can be done on the move (2239) "al salat al wusta" or the other "salawat"? And what is your evidence for this.
what is your evidence for "zulaf" meaning "early"?
You repeatedly cite "salat al fajr" and "salat al 3sha" as reference points but you have no reference for the other alleged 3 salat hence refer to them as "this al salat" or "al salat for the point in time of...".etc etc - why does Quran not clarify the reference terms for the alleged other 3 in your view? If it does give the terms, please provide them.
When discussing "salat al fajr" with me you said this is not a name of a "salat" but in your article you state "The other two prescribed al salat are also NAMED by the point in time" (then you reference 245
You seemingly contradict yourself when you say "The remaining two timings for al salat are at two visual transition EDGES of the day which are in the LATER day..." - ask anyone about what the two edges of daytime are and they will never discuss them being later in the day.
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You seemingly have no break in-between some salat.Some of your 5 salat have specific times AND time-ranges whilst others do not - why?
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Wakas; Salamun alaika,
These comments are with regard to this salat article of yours.
You discuss 2238 and assume there are two salat each side of al salat al wusta - why two? why not 3 each side etc
In 2238 why mention one of the five salat separately according to you, when it is already covered by the plural salawat?
Root " ". For convenience, an entry from Lane's Lexicon is reproduced hereunder
properly, the part of which several lateral, or outer, portions are equal; as, for instance, the middle finger but also meaning the part which is surrounded, or enclosed, on its several sides, although unequally (Msb) or the part that is between the two sides or extremities of a thing; (M, IB, Mgh, K as, for instance, the centre of a circle]
Yes, two, three, four, five can be on each side of same object- here Salaat.
Since it is a definite noun-referring to the specific Salaat which is in the centre of equivalent number of specific As-sallat on its laterals.
Specific number of As-Salaat is with reference to five timings-schedule which is mentioned in the article thereunder by quoting relevant Ayahs. Thereby the Al-Wusta has two each on its laterals.
Do you think it is abnormality in the manner of placing emphasis by repeating with reference to a unit of whole in a compound sentence?
According to you, which salat can be done on the move (2239) "al salat al wusta" or the other "salawat"? And what is your evidence for this.
After command, exception for exigencies of situations are mentioned. For As-Salat one has to stand in humble posture; when it is not adviseable to stop, permission is granted not to stand and verbally perform the As-Salat whichever of schedules timings it is.
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what is your evidence for "zulaf" meaning "early"?
It is already explained in the Article.
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/09.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Sura%20011/12.%20Zulfan%20Ze%20Laam%20Fa/1.gif It is an Indefinite; broken plural; feminine noun in accusative case. The basic perception is to approach or draw near. These moments-duration is then described by its boundaries in the Ayah quoted therein-in this part
The timings are set with reference to current local solar ephemeris of people.
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Whether or not Prophet Idris(PBUH) comes before Prophet Ibrahim(PBUH) in the timeline?
Salaam!
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Later in timeline after Ibrahim alaihissalam.
Salaam to all,
Who the other members are there to second the view point of brother Mazhar that Propohet Idris(PBUH) was later in timeline after Prophet Ibrahim(PBUH). Perhaps I have a misconception that Prophet Idris(PBUH) was even before Prophet Nuh(PBUH).
Salaam,
Mehjabeen
