Non performers of As-Salaat are not true believers
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Salaam brother Azhar,
Have you read them carefully from 1902 to 1959? Do you deny my observation - Each and every prophet irrespective of the time was the one who devotedly adhered to Salat? I don't know why you are in doubt? I would request you to kindly read again for the sake of clarity.
May Allah(swt) lead us to the Truth.
Salamun alaika,
You ignore qualifications attached. They all are from and after Ibrahim alshissalam; and not each and every. He was the first who was required to institute the Protocol of As-Salat.
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Salaam Brother Mazhar,
(i) You mean even Prophet Idris(PBUH) (1956) was after Prophet Ibrahim(PBUH).
(ii) You mean 'Nabiyyeen' mentioned in 1958 who were from the seed of Bani Adam, Noah and his trusted companion, Ibrahim and Israel refers to the Prophets from and after Prophet Ibrahim(PBUH).
(iii) Prophet Idris has been mentioned in 1956 as 'siddeeqan nabiyyan'. Verse 2177 defines 'sadaqoo'. I mean what qualifications are required to be called a 'siddeeq'.
(iv) To me, 1958 read with 1959 give an understanding that all the prophets adhered to Salat devotedly but the people who succeeded them lost the Salat.I would request you again to kindly have a re-look.
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Salaam Brother Mazhar,
(i) You mean even Prophet Idris(PBUH) (1956) was after Prophet Ibrahim(PBUH).
(ii) You mean 'Nabiyyeen' mentioned in 1958 who were from the seed of Bani Adam, Noah and his trusted companion, Ibrahim and Israel refers to the Prophets from and after Prophet Ibrahim(PBUH).
(iii) Prophet Idris has been mentioned in 1956 as 'siddeeqan nabiyyan'. Verse 2177 defines 'sadaqoo'. I mean what qualifications are required to be called a 'siddeeq'.
(iv) To me, 1958 read with 1959 give an understanding that all the prophets adhered to Salat devotedly but the people who succeeded them lost the Salat.I would request you again to kindly have a re-look.
Salam,
Please keep eyes on the words of Qur'aan, don't overlook a single word as is done in reading other texts; segment the sentences; do not generalize the specific information.
The aforementioned by name were those.
Prepositional Phrase about the circumstantial clause
? ? Appositive by repeating MinIt is clarified that except Easa alahissalam other people are all progeny of Adam alahissalam.
Then are mentioned by specifics.The aforementioned by name were those upon whom Allah the Exalted showered blessings. They are the members of the group of Chosen and distinctly exalted sincere Allegiants;Genetically they were the progeny of Adam and specifically of those whom We uploaded in the ship along with Noah ;
And were genetically the progeny of Iebra'heim and Iesraa'eel ; and they were whom We had guided and We had chosen.
When the Aa'ya'at of Ar'Reh'maan were recited upon them they kneeled down prostrating with eyes overflowing with tears.None of those mentioned in 1902-58 is the progeny of Noah alahissalam. They are the progeny of Men who were accompanying him in the ship-the stauch believers.
It is further made distinct that Ibrahim alahissalam is the progeny of one of those staunch monotheist believers who were with Noah alahissalam.
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Salaam Brother Mazhar,
Before I comment, let me hear you properly. I am waiting to hear about Prophet Idris(PBUH) mentioned in 1956? He was among the adherent of Salat or not?
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peace Mazhar,
These comments are with regard to this salat article of yours.
You discuss 2238 and assume there are two salat each side of al salat al wusta - why two? why not 3 each side etc
In 2238 why mention one of the five salat separately according to you, when it is already covered by the plural salawat?
According to you, which salat can be done on the move (2239) "al salat al wusta" or the other "salawat"? And what is your evidence for this.
what is your evidence for "zulaf" meaning "early"?
You repeatedly cite "salat al fajr" and "salat al 3sha" as reference points but you have no reference for the other alleged 3 salat hence refer to them as "this al salat" or "al salat for the point in time of...".etc etc - why does Quran not clarify the reference terms for the alleged other 3 in your view? If it does give the terms, please provide them.
When discussing "salat al fajr" with me you said this is not a name of a "salat" but in your article you state "The other two prescribed al salat are also NAMED by the point in time" (then you reference 245
You seemingly contradict yourself when you say "The remaining two timings for al salat are at two visual transition EDGES of the day which are in the LATER day..." - ask anyone about what the two edges of daytime are and they will never discuss them being later in the day.
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You seemingly have no break in-between some salat.Some of your 5 salat have specific times AND time-ranges whilst others do not - why?
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Wakas; Salamun alaika,
These comments are with regard to this salat article of yours.
You discuss 2238 and assume there are two salat each side of al salat al wusta - why two? why not 3 each side etc
In 2238 why mention one of the five salat separately according to you, when it is already covered by the plural salawat?
Root " ". For convenience, an entry from Lane's Lexicon is reproduced hereunder
properly, the part of which several lateral, or outer, portions are equal; as, for instance, the middle finger but also meaning the part which is surrounded, or enclosed, on its several sides, although unequally (Msb) or the part that is between the two sides or extremities of a thing; (M, IB, Mgh, K as, for instance, the centre of a circle]
Yes, two, three, four, five can be on each side of same object- here Salaat.
Since it is a definite noun-referring to the specific Salaat which is in the centre of equivalent number of specific As-sallat on its laterals.
Specific number of As-Salaat is with reference to five timings-schedule which is mentioned in the article thereunder by quoting relevant Ayahs. Thereby the Al-Wusta has two each on its laterals.
Do you think it is abnormality in the manner of placing emphasis by repeating with reference to a unit of whole in a compound sentence?
According to you, which salat can be done on the move (2239) "al salat al wusta" or the other "salawat"? And what is your evidence for this.
After command, exception for exigencies of situations are mentioned. For As-Salat one has to stand in humble posture; when it is not adviseable to stop, permission is granted not to stand and verbally perform the As-Salat whichever of schedules timings it is.
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what is your evidence for "zulaf" meaning "early"?
It is already explained in the Article.
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/09.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Sura%20011/12.%20Zulfan%20Ze%20Laam%20Fa/1.gif It is an Indefinite; broken plural; feminine noun in accusative case. The basic perception is to approach or draw near. These moments-duration is then described by its boundaries in the Ayah quoted therein-in this part
The timings are set with reference to current local solar ephemeris of people.
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Whether or not Prophet Idris(PBUH) comes before Prophet Ibrahim(PBUH) in the timeline?
Salaam!
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Later in timeline after Ibrahim alaihissalam.
Salaam to all,
Who the other members are there to second the view point of brother Mazhar that Propohet Idris(PBUH) was later in timeline after Prophet Ibrahim(PBUH). Perhaps I have a misconception that Prophet Idris(PBUH) was even before Prophet Nuh(PBUH).
Salaam,
Mehjabeen -
Salaam,
Is it not Idris (traditional) Muslims believe to be alive for a very long term? And that he was the anonymous person who traveled with Moses and who tells Moses he could not have patience with him.
God bless you
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"O Mary, you shall submit to your Lord, and prostrate and bow down with those who bow down."
Peace,
Is 3/43 a physical prostration or prostration of another kind?
"Sahih International And when We designated for Abraham the site of the House, "Do not
associate anything with Me and purify My House for those who perform Tawaf and those
who stand and those who bow and prostrate.." 2226-27Are the directives of 22/26-27 physically to be carried out or are they metaphors?
God bless
peace
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"O Mary, you shall submit to your Lord, and prostrate and bow down with those who bow down."
Peace,
Is 3/43 a physical prostration or prostration of another kind?
"Sahih International And when We designated for Abraham the site of the House, "Do not
associate anything with Me and purify My House for those who perform Tawaf and those
who stand and those who bow and prostrate.." 2226-27Are the directives of 22/26-27 physically to be carried out or are they metaphors?
God bless
peace
Please read, find the meanings and feed your comments
Time Bound Protocol of Servitude and Allegiance The Key of the door of success
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Peace Mazhar,
No offense intended, but your links are exhaustive, could you please answer the questions
with simple yes/no with explanation however short or long.example
Run = verb = an action
to go quickly by moving the legs more rapidly than at a walk and in such a manner
that for an instant in each step all or both feet are off the ground.Prostration = SJD = verb= an action 1. the act of prostrating. (physical)
2. the state of being prostrated.
3. obeisance (mental)
4. humbly submissiveGod bless
peace
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Since when brother Mazhar confronted me to the Verse of Al-Quran (7442-43) wherein it is mentioned that 'the hell dweller would be admitting and lamenting that they were not among the observant of Salat', I am very much worried and perturbed too.
I am worried because what will happen to me? How I could include myself among the observant of Salat? I mean, entire world order seems to be confused on this issue. There is a great deal of divergence ? (i) the Sunni way (ii) Shiia way (iii) Ahle-hadith way (iv) Rashadan way (v) Mazharan way ? most confusing ?Time bound protocol of servitude and allegiance? (vi) etc. etc.
I am perturbed because what will happen to the Prophets and Messengers prior to Prophet Ibrahim (PBUH) and their followers? As per brother Mazhar?s understanding, all the Prophets and Messengers prior to Prophet Ibrahim(PBUH) were obviously not among the observant of Salat.
Salaam!
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Since when brother Mazhar confronted me to the Verse of Al-Quran (7442-43) wherein it is mentioned that 'the hell dweller would be admitting and lamenting that they were not among the observant of Salat', I am very much worried and perturbed too.
I am worried because what will happen to me? How I could include myself among the observant of Salat? I mean, entire world order seems to be confused on this issue. There is a great deal of divergence ? (i) the Sunni way (ii) Shiia way (iii) Ahle-hadith way (iv) Rashadan way (v) Mazharan way ? most confusing ?Time bound protocol of servitude and allegiance? (vi) etc. etc.
I am perturbed because what will happen to the Prophets and Messengers prior to Prophet Ibrahim (PBUH) and their followers? As per brother Mazhar?s understanding, all the Prophets and Messengers prior to Prophet Ibrahim(PBUH) were obviously not among the observant of Salat.
Salaam!
Law takes effect from the date it is enforced by the King-Sovereign-the Lord and it is prospective not retrospective.
Here on this forum we have even scholars who have their own translations. Can anyone point out mention of Salaat in nations and periods before Ibrahim alahissalam?
Whenever one want to be sure about a point, he should peep in the Hell-Prison otherwise remain happy for landing therein.
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Law takes effect from the date it is enforced by the King-Sovereign-the Lord and it is prospective not retrospective.
Here on this forum we have even scholars who have their own translations. Can anyone point out mention of Salaat in nations and periods before Ibrahim alahissalam?
Whenever one want to be sure about a point, he should peep in the Hell-Prison otherwise remain happy for landing therein.
Which verse/s are you using for dating the 'enforcing of salat'?
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Mazharan way ? most confusing ?Time bound protocol of servitude and allegiance?
Salamun alaika,
That is the translation or description of Arabic term As-Salat as is explained in various Ayahs of Qur'aan.
Let us understand its break-up
Allah the Exalted is the Lord of Universes. We accept ourselves as His subjects ........this leads to mutual relationship of Lord and Subject-servant. We have to show servitude and allegiance to Him the Exalted.
Protocol etiquette of formal occasions/code of conduct the rules or conventions of correct behavior on official or ceremonial occasions.
Protocol involves both speech and gestures.
The occasion is a Subject presenting himself in the presence of his Lord.
Time Bound The subjects are not allowed to call upon and present their selves to the Lord at their own will and choice of time. The Lord has prescribed the timings when subjects should be in His the Exalted presence.
