Non performers of As-Salaat are not true believers
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Later in timeline after Ibrahim alaihissalam.
Salaam to all,
Who the other members are there to second the view point of brother Mazhar that Propohet Idris(PBUH) was later in timeline after Prophet Ibrahim(PBUH). Perhaps I have a misconception that Prophet Idris(PBUH) was even before Prophet Nuh(PBUH).
Salaam,
Mehjabeen -
Salaam,
Is it not Idris (traditional) Muslims believe to be alive for a very long term? And that he was the anonymous person who traveled with Moses and who tells Moses he could not have patience with him.
God bless you
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"O Mary, you shall submit to your Lord, and prostrate and bow down with those who bow down."
Peace,
Is 3/43 a physical prostration or prostration of another kind?
"Sahih International And when We designated for Abraham the site of the House, "Do not
associate anything with Me and purify My House for those who perform Tawaf and those
who stand and those who bow and prostrate.." 2226-27Are the directives of 22/26-27 physically to be carried out or are they metaphors?
God bless
peace
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"O Mary, you shall submit to your Lord, and prostrate and bow down with those who bow down."
Peace,
Is 3/43 a physical prostration or prostration of another kind?
"Sahih International And when We designated for Abraham the site of the House, "Do not
associate anything with Me and purify My House for those who perform Tawaf and those
who stand and those who bow and prostrate.." 2226-27Are the directives of 22/26-27 physically to be carried out or are they metaphors?
God bless
peace
Please read, find the meanings and feed your comments
Time Bound Protocol of Servitude and Allegiance The Key of the door of success
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Peace Mazhar,
No offense intended, but your links are exhaustive, could you please answer the questions
with simple yes/no with explanation however short or long.example
Run = verb = an action
to go quickly by moving the legs more rapidly than at a walk and in such a manner
that for an instant in each step all or both feet are off the ground.Prostration = SJD = verb= an action 1. the act of prostrating. (physical)
2. the state of being prostrated.
3. obeisance (mental)
4. humbly submissiveGod bless
peace
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Since when brother Mazhar confronted me to the Verse of Al-Quran (7442-43) wherein it is mentioned that 'the hell dweller would be admitting and lamenting that they were not among the observant of Salat', I am very much worried and perturbed too.
I am worried because what will happen to me? How I could include myself among the observant of Salat? I mean, entire world order seems to be confused on this issue. There is a great deal of divergence ? (i) the Sunni way (ii) Shiia way (iii) Ahle-hadith way (iv) Rashadan way (v) Mazharan way ? most confusing ?Time bound protocol of servitude and allegiance? (vi) etc. etc.
I am perturbed because what will happen to the Prophets and Messengers prior to Prophet Ibrahim (PBUH) and their followers? As per brother Mazhar?s understanding, all the Prophets and Messengers prior to Prophet Ibrahim(PBUH) were obviously not among the observant of Salat.
Salaam!
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Since when brother Mazhar confronted me to the Verse of Al-Quran (7442-43) wherein it is mentioned that 'the hell dweller would be admitting and lamenting that they were not among the observant of Salat', I am very much worried and perturbed too.
I am worried because what will happen to me? How I could include myself among the observant of Salat? I mean, entire world order seems to be confused on this issue. There is a great deal of divergence ? (i) the Sunni way (ii) Shiia way (iii) Ahle-hadith way (iv) Rashadan way (v) Mazharan way ? most confusing ?Time bound protocol of servitude and allegiance? (vi) etc. etc.
I am perturbed because what will happen to the Prophets and Messengers prior to Prophet Ibrahim (PBUH) and their followers? As per brother Mazhar?s understanding, all the Prophets and Messengers prior to Prophet Ibrahim(PBUH) were obviously not among the observant of Salat.
Salaam!
Law takes effect from the date it is enforced by the King-Sovereign-the Lord and it is prospective not retrospective.
Here on this forum we have even scholars who have their own translations. Can anyone point out mention of Salaat in nations and periods before Ibrahim alahissalam?
Whenever one want to be sure about a point, he should peep in the Hell-Prison otherwise remain happy for landing therein.
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Law takes effect from the date it is enforced by the King-Sovereign-the Lord and it is prospective not retrospective.
Here on this forum we have even scholars who have their own translations. Can anyone point out mention of Salaat in nations and periods before Ibrahim alahissalam?
Whenever one want to be sure about a point, he should peep in the Hell-Prison otherwise remain happy for landing therein.
Which verse/s are you using for dating the 'enforcing of salat'?
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Mazharan way ? most confusing ?Time bound protocol of servitude and allegiance?
Salamun alaika,
That is the translation or description of Arabic term As-Salat as is explained in various Ayahs of Qur'aan.
Let us understand its break-up
Allah the Exalted is the Lord of Universes. We accept ourselves as His subjects ........this leads to mutual relationship of Lord and Subject-servant. We have to show servitude and allegiance to Him the Exalted.
Protocol etiquette of formal occasions/code of conduct the rules or conventions of correct behavior on official or ceremonial occasions.
Protocol involves both speech and gestures.
The occasion is a Subject presenting himself in the presence of his Lord.
Time Bound The subjects are not allowed to call upon and present their selves to the Lord at their own will and choice of time. The Lord has prescribed the timings when subjects should be in His the Exalted presence.
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Salaam,
7442 ?What has caused you to be in the scorching heat??
7443 They said ?We were not as those who made the contact prayer.?7530 To your Lord on that Day he will be driven.
7531 For he did not believe nor make the contact.I know some of us are still confused about how many times to perform salat per day.
Just put your trust in God to clarify it to us pr
Regards,
Yuliana -
Salaam,
Who are referred to in 7442-43 and 7530-31. The insistence of brother Mazhar about introduction of Salat from the time of Prophet Ibrahim(PBUH) is self proclaiming and without any tangible proof. He is wishfully ignoring 1958-59 which indicates that all the prophets from the seed Bani Adam, Bani Nooh, Bahi Ibrahim and finally Prophet Ahmad (PBUH) who crowned the world were observant of Salat enjoined Allah(swt). Given the fact that (i) Only approved Deen in the sight of Allah(swt) is Islam for all times. (ii) Prophet Ibrahim (PBUH) followed the footsteps of Prophet Nuh (iii) The same deen which was enjoined upon Prophet Nuh(PBUH) was re-directed to Porphet Ibrahim, Moosa, Eissa and finally Prophet Ahmad (Peace be upon them all) (iv) Salat is meant for commemoration of Allah(swt), how could one be so adamant claiming that Salat was introduced from Prophet Ibrahim(PBUH) and the Prophets were non-observant of the good deeds viz. Salat, Zakat, etc.?
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Salaam,
Who are referred to in 7442-43 and 7530-31. The insistence of brother Mazhar about introduction of Salat from the time of Prophet Ibrahim(PBUH) is self proclaiming and without any tangible proof. He is wishfully ignoring 1958-59 which indicates that all the prophets from the seed Bani Adam, Bani Nooh, Bahi Ibrahim and finally Prophet Ahmad (PBUH) who crowned the world were observant of Salat enjoined Allah(swt). Given the fact that (i) Only approved Deen in the sight of Allah(swt) is Islam for all times. (ii) Prophet Ibrahim (PBUH) followed the footsteps of Prophet Nuh (iii) The same deen which was enjoined upon Prophet Nuh(PBUH) was re-directed to Porphet Ibrahim, Moosa, Eissa and finally Prophet Ahmad (Peace be upon them all) (iv) Salat is meant for commemoration of Allah(swt), how could one be so adamant claiming that Salat was introduced from Prophet Ibrahim(PBUH) and the Prophets were non-observant of the good deeds viz. Salat, Zakat, etc.?
Salam,
It is a lecture without support.
1958-59 which indicates that all the prophets
. It is erronous perception. Start reading from 1901 and see the names; they are after Ibrahim alahissalam and not those who were before him.Question is not of Islam; the question is about the institution of Salat. Anything that is ordained by Allah, the Messenger asks his people to comply. Show me one instance where the earlier Messengers ever asked their nation to perform salat. If not, then negative insistence is only for the sake of sticking to an erronous thought; nothing else.
Qiblata is fundamental to Salat. House of Allah was constructed by Ibrahim alahissalam and on its completion Salat was enjoined. Thereat, he had prayed to be declared as he who institutionalized the Salat. Can you negate these facts highlighted in Qur'aan?
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Salaam,
7442 ?What has caused you to be in the scorching heat??
7443 They said ?We were not as those who made the contact prayer.?7530 To your Lord on that Day he will be driven.
7531 For he did not believe nor make the contact.I know some of us are still confused about how many times to perform salat per day.
Just put your trust in God to clarify it to us pr
Regards,
YulianaRed highlight above is from me.
ALLAAH, swt, has ordained the minimum number of SALAATS per day to be five. Please see the link below.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605668.msg334273#msg334273
Peace,
Khalil -
Peace,
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Does 4/102 describe a physical prostration or something else?
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Is 4/103 incumbent upon Mumins (49/15) and not upon Muslims (49/14) to observe the physical Salat?
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Does 2/43 refer to physical bowing or obeisance?
God bless
peace
Salamun alaika,
In relation to As-Salat it signifies nothing else but prostration.
The meanings of its Root described in lexicons and its use in different relational and semantic fields is elaborated in this compilation
Affectionate surrender of one's will and freedom/liberty-Forehead on the ground
It is also covered in the following sub topic of compilation on Assalat
It is Gesture-speech, highest communicative dynamism Sublime submission of servitude and allegiance;
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Peace Mazhar,
"This fact alone suffices to portray that is a physical protocol. The basic perception infolded in the Root Root " " and Verbal Noun is of standing; straight position on feet as distinct from sitting, reclining or lying; or walking. In physical terms it is the most stable, established state of strength, alertness and equilibrium which other postures of sitting, reclining and lying flat lack. This state grants an ability to quickly react and respond to a sudden threat/attack.
Balance and equilibrium strengths a thing and grants stability, prominence and durability. Balance and equilibrium also create a stationary state. This Root thus also conveys the meaning of staying somewhere. And the point of staying becomes a place of gathering. Balance and equilibrium yields state of peace and tranquility. In whatever shade the words derived from this Root are used the; perception of balance and equilibrium, which is the primary condition of standing erect, shall remain predominant/prevail."
Does this mean that because standing is a physical act, what follows is also done physically
i.e., bowing then prostrating?God bless
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The point in time in human history when Salaat was prescribed and ordered to be institutionalized
Point #2? Which verse/s therein are you using for proving that salat wasn't present in any way, shape or form prior to 'institutionalisation' of salat as you put it?
Why is 'institutionalising' salat taken to mean the origination of a new and special concept which wasn't present previously before Ibrahim rather than it being something that points towards community wide establishment, instead of salat suddenly dropping down from the sky out of the blue? It would be like one person cleaning the litter from their sidewalk everyday (voluntarily/because they believe it is required of them personally) moving to lots of people cleaning the litter from their sidewalks everyday; the community requires it. Does that mean cleaning the litter from their sidewalks is a new and original concept that did not exist prior to it being required of/established within the community?
peace
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Salam,
Brother Mazhar has blatantly ignored the fact that Sunnatullah exist from time immemorial and never changes. He has chosen to wishfully ignore the verses - 684 and 4213. He has conveniently put Prophet Idris(PBUH) mentioned in 1956 before Prophet Ibrahim (PBUH) in the timeline. He is nurturing biased understanding with respect to 1958-59. I don't know why he is hell bent to seal the fate of the prophets and their followers prior to Prophet Ibrahim (PBUH) to dwell in the Hell for not being observant of Salat (obviously) with respect to 7442-43 and 530-31.
It is a lecture without support.
Alas! I could qualify to deliver a lecture to you. But wait till your chest is opened by the grace of Allah(swt).
Salaam!