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    jhonsonmustafa
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    The point is we would never know unless that time comes who Allah would reveal as His Khalifa on earth and when it happens we would know him too as we know our own kinsfolk.

    This is called Sujd Being humble before GOD and waiting and seeking Patience for Wisdom. I think most of the Prophets followed for example Prophet Yacub. And Allah teaches in a way HE extends shadow.

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      muslims
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      The time will never come.

      The Book of Allah has been completed, and there are no more heroes to come and saves us.

      Wishful thinking.

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        jhonsonmustafa
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        The time will never come.

        The Book of Allah has been completed, and there are no more heroes to come and saves us.

        Wishful thinking.

        Peace Brother,

        Quran connects Past,Present and Future. There is always Messenger till last days. Allah says there is always Messenger.

        445
        surely We have been sending Messengers

        497
        And know that among you is the Messenger of Allah

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          muslims
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          Peace Brother,

          Quran connects Past,Present and Future. There is always Messenger till last days. Allah says there is always Messenger.

          445
          surely We have been sending Messengers

          497
          And know that among you is the Messenger of Allah

          Salam jhonsonmustafa,

          What is the meaning of "Messenger"?

          What is the "Message of Allah"?

          Peace.

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            DrGm
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            The time will never come.

            The Book of Allah has been completed, and there are no more heroes to come and saves us.

            Wishful thinking.

            peace,

            4034 - ...ye said Allah will not send any messenger after him.

            445 - Lo! We are ever sending messengers -

            497 - And know that among you is the Messenger of Allah...

            7711 - and when the messengers appointed time has come...

            Allah's words are true and everlasting.

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              muslims
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              peace,

              4034 - ...ye said Allah will not send any messenger after him.

              445 - Lo! We are ever sending messengers -

              497 - And know that among you is the Messenger of Allah...

              7711 - and when the messengers appointed time has come...

              Allah's words are true and everlasting.

              Salam DrGm,

              Please don't quote the Qur'an out of its context.

              For example

              And know that among you is Allah's Messenger were he, in many matters, to follow your (wishes), ye would certainly fall into misfortune But Allah has endeared the Faith to you, and has made it beautiful in your hearts, and He has made hateful to you Unbelief, wickedness, and rebellion such indeed are those who walk in righteousness (497)

              Whom does Allah refer to in the words "to you" and "your"?

              Peace brother.

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                DrGm
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                Salam DrGm,

                Please don't quote the Qur'an out of its context.

                For example

                And know that among you is Allah's Messenger were he, in many matters, to follow your (wishes), ye would certainly fall into misfortune But Allah has endeared the Faith to you, and has made it beautiful in your hearts, and He has made hateful to you Unbelief, wickedness, and rebellion such indeed are those who walk in righteousness (497)

                Whom does Allah refer to in the words "to you" and "your"?

                Peace brother.

                peace brother,

                • every verse is guidance by the leave of Allah, for righteous that suits all context.

                • the reader

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                  Bender
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                  Salam muslims,

                  Let me be done with Khalifa first.

                  Allah had said He would place man His Khalifa on earth who shall know the truth of the heavens and the earth and everything in between by intuition from Him and has governing authority over them by His leave; and He had not mentioned who that man is; and who that one could be; and we do not know until Allah reveals if any man had attained that state yet. And it is not for us to choose even a leader in islam, leave alone khalifa.

                  The prophets and the messengers came with the Signs of Allah, from heavens down to earth; but then almost all of them were belied and denied by the rejectors and spoiled every efforts at conciliation, mediation and negotiation to the point that they drove even the Prophet Nuh to plead with Allah to destroy the world full of such sort of people. And this too is sunnatullah. This is justice, upholding the balance between the skies down to earth pleading and interceding with Allah.

                  The point is we would never know unless that time comes who Allah would reveal as His Khalifa on earth and when it happens we would know him too as we know our own kinsfolk.

                  Salaamun alayka,

                  RED Allah never said he would place HIS khalifa on earth.
                  Allah has no khalifa, subhanaHu.

                  Salaam,
                  Bender

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                    Bender
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                    Peace Brother,

                    Quran connects Past,Present and Future. There is always Messenger till last days. Allah says there is always Messenger.

                    445
                    surely We have been sending Messengers

                    497
                    And know that among you is the Messenger of Allah

                    Salaamun alayka,

                    I think you misquoted 445.

                    But I agree with you that there are always messengers.

                    salaam,
                    Bender

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                      Bender
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                      Allah The Just, Al-`Adl (&#1604

                      Salaamun alayka,

                      Do you have a verse for this statement?

                      Salaam,
                      Bender

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                        muslims
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                        peace brother,

                        • every verse is guidance by the leave of Allah, for righteous that suits all context.

                        • the reader

                        Salam DrGm,

                        I rather limit the context of "Allah's Message" and "Messenger of Allah" to its original context

                        This day I have perfected for you your Din (dnakum)
                        and completed My favor upon you
                        and have approved for you Islam as your Din (dnan)
                        (<a href="http//quran.com/5/3">53</a&gt

                        Muhammad is not the father of one of your men
                        but the Messenger of Allah and last of the prophets
                        And ever is Allah
                        of all things, Knowing.
                        (<a href="http//quran.com/33/40">3340</a&gt

                        Peace brother.

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                          muslims
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                          Salaamun alayka,

                          Do you have a verse for this statement?

                          Salaam,
                          Bender

                          Salam Bender,

                          Not specifically and I'm referring to the asma ul husna.

                          It is also everywhere in the Qur'an that Allah is just (6115) and commands justice (1690).

                          If you wish, you can dispute this attribute and bring your perspective into discussion.

                          Peace brother.

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                            Bender
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                            Salam Bender,

                            Not specifically and I'm referring to the asma ul husna.

                            It is also everywhere in the Qur'an that Allah is just (6115) and commands justice (1690).

                            If you wish, you can dispute this attribute and bring your perspective into discussion.

                            Peace brother.

                            Salaamun alayka bro,

                            6115 talks about Allah's Word not Himself.
                            1690 Allah commands here Al3dal NOT He is Al3adl.

                            Salaam,
                            Bender

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                              drfazl
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                                drfazl
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                                Salaamun alayka,

                                RED Allah never said he would place HIS khalifa on earth.
                                Allah has no khalifa, subhanaHu.

                                Salaam,
                                Bender

                                Would it be a blemish on Allah? Or do you think it would tarnish His image and undermine His Purity and Authority to get at such understanding? For who the universe is? It is for man; Subhanahu, Allah is Most Pure! Allah does not need it for Himself even a spec of it. Allah created it for man to think and ponder the skies and earth i.e. the entire universe so that they would by His leave shall obey and work by man's command. Do you deny any of these?

                                On the Last Day, heavens and the earth - the entire universe would be removed and changed for one last time that they would last forever. If you want to save you from the punishment of fire, 3191 ponder over them. If you do not do this, on the Lasting Day, when you will be rewarded and recompensed, - would last as long as the heavens and the earth would last. And it would last forever.

                                I do not see the need for your such expression "Subhanahu", here.

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                                  muslims
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                                  Salaamun alayka bro,

                                  6115 talks about Allah's Word not Himself.
                                  1690 Allah commands here Al3dal NOT He is Al3adl.

                                  Salaam,
                                  Bender

                                  Salam Bender,

                                  As I said, the "asma ul husna" and "you can dispute this attribute and bring your perspective into discussion."

                                  I believe this is your argument

                                  Premise 1 Sura 6115 stated that "the word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice"
                                  Premise 2 You said "6115 talks about Allah's Word not Himself."
                                  Conclusion Therefore, Allah is ___________________________?

                                  So then.. what is your conclusion and assumptions?

                                  Peace brother.

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                                    muslims
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                                    The root 'a-d-l has the following classical Arabic connotations

                                    • to act justly, fairly
                                    • to be equitable, impartial
                                    • to adjust properly, to make even
                                    • to straighten, to rectify, to establish justice
                                    • to balance, counterbalance, to make equal, uniform
                                    • to turn one away from something, rightly direct
                                    • to make comfortable with what is right

                                    The One who rectifies and sets matters straight in a fair, impartial and equitable manner.
                                    The One who always acts justly.
                                    The One who delivers absolute justice.
                                    The One whose wisdom of justice is based upon complete knowledge of past, present and future.

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                                      DrGm
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                                      Salam DrGm,

                                      I rather limit the context of "Allah's Message" and "Messenger of Allah" to its original context

                                      This day I have perfected for you your Din (dnakum)
                                      and completed My favor upon you
                                      and have approved for you Islam as your Din (dnan)
                                      (<a href="http//quran.com/5/3">53</a&gt

                                      Muhammad is not the father of one of your men
                                      but the Messenger of Allah and last of the prophets
                                      And ever is Allah
                                      of all things, Knowing.
                                      (<a href="http//quran.com/33/40">3340</a&gt

                                      Peace brother.

                                      peace brother,

                                      • 'this day' is the appointed day by the leave of Allah for an individual who seeks Allah's guidance. this is original context for any individual till the last day.

                                      what is 'this day' for you?

                                      • Mohammed is a messenger and the seal of the prophets. moreover i do not believe, Adam.. Nuh.. Aad.. Ibrahim..Musa..Isa..Mohammed.. have any direct blood line, they are examples in the path of peace for humankind. every believer in the path of peace are the descendants of prophets, messengers, noblemen, witnesses, righteous, martyrs.. Allah is all knowing.

                                      having quoted 3340 ,what is your context here? please explain.

                                      peace.

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                                        muslims
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                                        This is only from a philosophical aspect ... (<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335472#msg335472">continue from here</a&gt

                                        Reality > "...Say He is Allah, One!..." (1121)
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                                        Knowledge of the "0" > Knowledge from emptiness - Inna lillahi wa inna ilaihi raji'un
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                                        Knowledge of the "1" > "...Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior..." (334)
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                                        Knowledge of the "2"
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                                        Knowledge of the "3"
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                                        Knowledge of the "4" > Towards a full understanding on the element of Fire + Air + Water + Earth
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                                        Knowledge of more than "4" > "...Deaf, dumb and blind - so they will not return..." (21

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                                        Islam
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                                        Formula
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                                        Attributes
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                                        Understanding of Sunnatullah (Just & Balance) on the following attributes ...
                                        (How to blend these elements and creating the Planet of Earth - (<a href="http//quran.com/49/13">4913</a&gt)
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                                        Fire Air Water Earth
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                                        Fire Air Water Earth
                                        South West East North
                                        Asmaullah Afaalullah Sifatullah Dzatullah
                                        Hablum Minallah Hablum Minannas Wisdom Khalif
                                        Qur'an Communication Knowledge Persistence
                                        Law / Policy Humanism Expertise Kusyu / Humble

                                        We can apply this formula in all aspects of our life

                                        ie. To establish "Solat and Jihad" in ourselves.

                                        Business > Just and balance > Fire + Air + Water + Earth
                                        Family > Just and balance > Fire + Air + Water + Earth
                                        Health > Just and balance > Fire + Air + Water + Earth
                                        Career > Just and balance > Fire + Air + Water + Earth

                                        and so on...

                                        Comparison with other aspects and so as to get a picture of its attributes... eg. Astrological aspects
                                        Fire Air Water Earth
                                        Aries Aquarius Pisces Capricorn
                                        Leo Gemini Cancer Taurus
                                        Sagittarius Libra Scorpio Virgo

                                        O mankind, indeed We have created you
                                        from male and female
                                        and made you peoples
                                        and tribes
                                        that you may know one another
                                        Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah
                                        is the most righteous of you
                                        Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted.
                                        (<a href="http//quran.com/49/13">4913</a&gt

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                                          muslims
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                                          peace brother,

                                          • 'this day' is the appointed day by the leave of Allah for an individual who seeks Allah's guidance. this is original context for any individual till the last day.

                                          what is 'this day' for you?

                                          • Mohammed is a messenger and the seal of the prophets. moreover i do not believe, Adam.. Nuh.. Aad.. Ibrahim..Musa..Isa..Mohammed.. have any direct blood line, they are examples in the path of peace for humankind. every believer in the path of peace are the descendants of prophets, messengers, noblemen, witnesses, righteous, martyrs.. Allah is all knowing.

                                          having quoted 3340 ,what is your context here? please explain.

                                          peace.

                                          Salam DrGm,

                                          Obviously "this day" is not "today" ..

                                          Otherwise you are suggesting the Qur'an is still not completed/perfected.

                                          Peace brother.

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