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    that keep to obedience
    and be not divided therein

    Now the question....

    1. Can we claim more privilege than the Prophet?

    2. Can you prove that we are allowed to ignore the "DO NOT" prohibition
      and still entitle to call ourselves a Muslim?

    Indeed, those who deny Our verses
    and are arrogant toward them
    the gates of Heaven will not be opened for them
    nor will they enter Paradise
    until a camel enters into the eye of a needle
    And thus do We recompense the criminals
    (<a href="http//quran.com/7/40">740</a&gt

    It is impossible for a camel to enters into the eye of a needle.

    Therefore, it is impossible for <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335266#msg335266">people who (iqtiqad to) disobey Allah</a> to enter Paradise. (<a href="http//quran.com/4/17-18">417-18</a&gt

    Equally, it may also be impossible for them to be on the right path or receiving guidance from Allah.

    Such has been the course of Allah that has indeed run before
    and you shall not find a change in Allah's course
    (<a href="http//quran.com/48/23">4823</a&gt

    And We said
    "O Adam, dwell, you and your wife, in Paradise
    and eat therefrom in abundance from wherever you will
    But DO NOT approach this tree <-- The Sunnatullah?
    lest you be among the wrongdoers"

    But Satan caused them to slip out of it <-- Breach of Sunnatullah
    and removed them from that
    in which they had been

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      Surely this is indeed what is the evident trial
      (<a href="http//quran.com/37/106">37106</a&gt

      Do the people think
      that they will be left to say,
      "We believe"
      and they will not be tried?

      But We have certainly tried those before them
      and Allah will surely make evident
      those who are truthful
      and He will surely make evident
      the liars

      Or do those who do evil deeds think they can outrun Us?
      Evil is what they judge
      (<a href="http//quran.com/29/2-4">292-4</a&gt

      Or do you think
      that you will enter Paradise
      while such has not yet come to you
      as came to those who passed on before you?

      They were touched by poverty
      and hardship
      and were shaken
      until messenger
      and those who believed with him said
      "When is the help of Allah ?"
      Unquestionably, the help of Allah is near
      (<a href="http//quran.com/2/214">2214</a&gt

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        Islam For Dummies (With Chart)

        Sorry... &

        He has made plain to you <-- What is Islam
        of the Din (l-dni)
        what He enjoined upon Nuh
        and that which We have revealed to you
        and that which We enjoined upon Ibrahim
        and Musa
        and Isa
        that keep to obedience
        and be not divided therein

        As per my present understanding ... to be rectified by Allah.

        Life Purpose
        (our test)
        |
        +--------------------------------------+
        | |
        Iman Amal
        | |
        Theoretical Practicality
        | |
        Minor Major
        | |
        100% Obedience Towards human unity
        | |
        Mind our own business No Compulsion
        (only ourselves*) (<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335750#msg335750">Unconditional Freedom</a&gt
        (<a href="http//quran.com/5/105">5105</a&gt (<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335750#msg335750">2256</a&gt
        | |
        "DO NOT ask" Just and Balance etc.
        (<a href="http//quran.com/5/101">5101</a&gt (<a href="http//quran.com/16/90">1690</a&gt
        |
        as simplified as possible

        Therefore, any time spent on other than the Deen of Islam is wasted.
        It keeps us busy till the end of our life, but gets us to nowhere. (<a href="http//quran.com/18/103-106">18103-106</a&gt

        (* There is no need to fulfill the jobs of a Messenger of Allah since the Book of Allah has been perfected. The Qur'an is perfect to represent the words of a Messenger, all ages. It is thus a deen (ours) and an exemplary leadership.)

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          "a successor" and "My successor" are not the same.
          Is there anyone who can succeed Allah?

          Salam Bender,

          Sorry for interrupting but you are comparing Allah with Adam in a same category, and I just wondering where does it say in the Qur'an that Allah belongs to the category of a "Successor"?

          This is so since this category or the word successor indicates that Allah "inherits" His authority or He can be replaced or substituted.

          Nor is there to Him any equivalent. (1124)

          I believe the word successor is referring to the following facts, They (angels) said, "Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood" (<a href="http//quran.com/2/30">230</a&gt. Thus, Adam (and his descendants) are part of His creation and which succeeds those who have come before them.

          Peace brother.

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            Alhamdu -> All praises and thanks -> for what? -> how? -> prostrate to Adam (who? - <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335753#msg335753">7172</a&gt
            -> deen -> dayn -> creation is our "debt" -> debt settlement

            What is good or bad?

            The pleasure of healthiness are to those who are sick/disabled
            The pleasure of prettiness are to those who are ugly
            The pleasure of intellect are to those who are silly
            The pleasure of hearing are to those who are deaf
            The pleasure of talking are to those who are dumb
            The pleasure of vision are to those who are blind
            The pleasure of being rich are to those who are poor
            The pleasure of eating are to those who are starving
            and so on...
            and it will increase or decrease accordingly... just and balance.

            Therefore, it makes no difference of becoming rich, poor or etc (illusion),
            but all these are related to our level of self satisfaction and "Alhamdu";
            i.e. fulfillment of Deen, raising or decreasing our awareness to our duty (Deen/Dayn/Debt/Duty <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335480#msg335480">and...</a&gt.

            Why are there so many species of bacteria?
            Why is there so many dust?
            Why do we sweat?
            and so as all other problems we are facing today.
            Allah Alone or reading Qur'an Alone will not solve this problem, it is "Theoretical" in nature.

            It is the fulfillment of "Alhamdu" that will lead us to real success (believe and do righteous deeds).

            except for those who believe and do righteous deeds - and few are they.
            (<a href="http//quran.com/38/24">3824</a&gt

            Say, "It is He who has produced you
            and made for you
            hearing
            and vision
            and hearts
            little are you grateful."
            (<a href="http//quran.com/67/23">6723</a&gt
            (description not necessarily related to the Qur'an)

            And when your Lord proclaimed
            'If you are grateful
            I will surely increase you
            but if you deny
            indeed, My punishment is severe.'
            (<a href="http//quran.com/14/7">147</a&gt

            Indeed, Allah will not change the condition of a people
            until they change what is in themselves
            (<a href="http//quran.com/13/11-106">1311</a&gt

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              He has made plain to you <-- What is Islam
              of the Din (l-dni)

              An example of deen

              Ashoka provide a platform for people dedicated to changing the world.

              http//3.bp.blogspot.com/-KrJ5oo0KWeo/UbTyVMrsZGI/AAAAAAAABAA/zRVUTGt6Z5Y/s200/baitulmal-ashoka-01-712615.jpg

              Ashoka - Innovators For The Public - is the largest network of social entrepreneurs worldwide, with nearly 3,000 Ashoka Fellows in 70 countries putting their system changing ideas into practice on a global scale. Fundamental to the Ashoka model is a tripartite approach identifying and investing in leading social entrepreneurs, engaging communities of entrepreneurs to develop patterns of effective collaboration, and working to deliver necessary infrastructure, such as access to social financing, bridges to business and academia, and the frameworks for effective cross sector partnerships.

              Islamic Aid

              http//www.islamicaid.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/about_story.jpg
              The Story of Islamic Aid
              by Mahmood Hassan, Founder and Chairman of Islamic Aid

              I was born and brought up in some of the most deprived areas of Pakistan. During my childhood, I once lived with my grandparents in village 114/15-L, near Mianchannun. My village did not have a school. Each morning I set off on my journey to a neighbouring village so I could go to school. Aged only eight years I walked more than 7km every day so I could receive an education. There were no roads at all ? just a dirt track. The landscape was baron ? and not the green backdrop which is there today. My journey to and from school.

              Not only was the journey hot and dusty, it was filled with fear. At such a young age I had no idea who ? or what ? I would encounter on the way to school, something, I believe, no child should encounter, something that has stayed with me 36 years on, something I do not want other children to encounter.

              But I was one of the lucky ones; while not from a very rich family we were not steeped in poverty. I was able to do extremely well in my studies; always secured top positions and won Gold Medals, merit scholarships in almost all my exams.

              This was in MBA from Bahauddin Zakariya University, Multan that I secured first position throughout the university and won Gold Medal and Government of Pakistan merit scholarship for studies abroad, that enabled me to come to the UK for studies. I did my MBA from Imperial College, University of London. I initially worked as a lecturer in Marketing and Strategic Management at the same university and later in the commercial sector.

              It was in 1993-94, during the Bosnian crisis, that I became interested in charities working for the cause at that time. This then led me to initially volunteer and later work in the sector for a few years.

              Beginnings of Islamic Aid

              When I started my own business in 1998 and felt settled, I knew I wanted to give something back to my community. I knew I didn?t want others to face the same hardships I had, not to face the same fears I did on my long journey to school ? and on the way home. I started a school in my village to help provide children quality education, free of fear and on their door-step. It was here that the seeds of Islamic Aid were sown, a charity that has gone from strength to strength, helping tens of thousands of children in parts of Asia, Africa and Europe access quality education, health-care and the skills and means to their parents so they can earn a decent living. First school I established in my village.

              I established Islamic Aid in 2000. I wanted to use my business expertise and experience of the charity sector to give something back to the community I had once belonged.

              Yet during the charity?s infancy of its first year, the world watched in horror as we saw terrorist attacks in New York, where families were devastated as people lost their lives in the twin tower attacks.

              Understandably, this was a difficult time for Muslim charities ? both established and new ? as the media and public began to question why they existed. Such charities were viewed with suspicion as people questioned what activities they may be funding.

              For me personally, things did not end there. As the twin-towers collapsed so did one of my major business projects; that was set to be launched in November 2001 to offer Islamic banking in the UK and internationally. From the position of having a very robust business plan, very supportive business partnerships and venture capital in place and a forecast of more than ?500 million under management in 4th year, I saw everything melted away in the tide of opinion against anything Islamic. While it was a big disaster for me and my business, for Islamic Aid it probably was a major turning point that I was able to give my increased attention to the charity.

              While internationally it was very difficult time to run a charity with Islamic name, but it made me more determined to succeed and to show the importance of helping poor communities, many of whom had little idea of what the world may be thinking.

              Today, alhamdullilah, I have my own successful business; Islamic Aid is growing very fast ? already achieved an annual turnover of ?3.3 million and recruited 67,000 donors; have established Islamic Aid in the US and we continue to expand our support to projects in parts of Africa, Asia and Europe. These successes also enabled me to support as a Trustee the cause of poverty alleviation through other charities like Practical Action, (www.practicalaction.org) and Pakistan Foundation. And, I want every child in the world to be successful.

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                +--------------------------------------+
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                Minor Major
                | |
                100% Obedience Towards human unity

                Why human unity is of primary importance to achieve the objective of "Successorship"?

                Proof?

                Because on the matter of earth and creation
                Allah commands the angels and Iblees to prostrate to Adam (human - successorship)
                Both are prostrating to Allah.

                Elements

                1. Allah's command
                  (The objective of Allah's command in its context is related to the importance of successorship.
                  So as the Qur'an, where almost the whole content is about humanity and other living creatures
                  on earth; ie. successorship. The Qur'an is not about Allah, but it is about His creations.)

                2. Adam (human - successorship)

                Facts

                1. Angels prostrate to human (successorship) -> Representing the Believers
                  (Initially they question Allah's command - 2.30)

                2. Iblees refused to prostrate to successorship -> Representing the Disbelievers
                  "..Iblees. He refused
                  and was arrogant
                  and became of the disbelievers.." (2.34)

                Compared to today's world, which category we belongs to?
                ie. where more than 90% or 100% is about Allah and less than 10% about humanity as a whole.

                What does Adam represent?

                Human ... all of us and regardless of religion, background, caste, race, socio-economic background etc.

                And when your Lord
                took from the children of Adam
                from their loins
                their descendants
                and made them testify of themselves
                , "Am I not your Lord?"
                They said, "Yes, we have testified."

                • lest you should say on the day of Resurrection
                  "Indeed, we were of this unaware"
                  (7172)

                Conclusion

                The objective is not about Allah, and no one knows what is Allah,
                "..Nor is there to Him any equivalent.." (112.4)

                The importance of obedience to Allah is primarily relevant to the matter of achieving human unity.

                Hablum Minallah towards achieving Hablum Minannas
                as a whole and this is the Deen of Islam (vs. Religion of Islam -> Allah Alone for our salvation).

                +----------------------------------+
                | |
                Minor Major
                | |
                100% Obedience -> -> -> Towards human unity
                (Theoretical) (Practicality)

                The Qur'an Alone or Allah Alone is no use for our salvation...

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                  Facts comparison

                  Argument

                  What is good or bad?
                  ...
                  and so on...
                  and it will increase or decrease accordingly... just and balance.

                  Therefore, it makes no difference of becoming rich, poor or etc (illusion),
                  but all these are related to our level of self satisfaction and "Alhamdu";
                  i.e. fulfillment of Deen, raising or decreasing our awareness to our duty (Deen/Dayn/Debt/Duty <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335480#msg335480">and...</a&gt.

                  Why are there so many species of bacteria?
                  Why is there so many dust?
                  Why do we sweat?
                  and so as all other problems we are facing today.
                  Allah Alone or reading Qur'an Alone will not solve this problem, it is "Theoretical" in nature.

                  It is the fulfillment of "Alhamdu" that will lead us to real success (believe and do righteous deeds).

                  Example

                  The Story of Islamic Aid
                  by Mahmood Hassan, Founder and Chairman of Islamic Aid

                  I was born and brought up in some of the most deprived areas of Pakistan. During my childhood, I once lived with my grandparents in village 114/15-L, near Mianchannun. My village did not have a school. Each morning I set off on my journey to a neighbouring village so I could go to school. Aged only eight years I walked more than 7km every day so I could receive an education. There were no roads at all ? just a dirt track. The landscape was baron ? and not the green backdrop which is there today. My journey to and from school.

                  Not only was the journey hot and dusty, it was filled with fear. At such a young age I had no idea who ? or what ? I would encounter on the way to school, something, I believe, no child should encounter, something that has stayed with me 36 years on, something I do not want other children to encounter.

                  Consequence - Duty Awareness "Program"

                  I want every child in the world to be successful.

                  Human Life = Duty Awareness Program = Deen of Islam

                  Qur'an = Introductory Book = Manual = Guidance

                  The example of those
                  who were entrusted with the Torah
                  and then did not take it on
                  is like that
                  of a donkey
                  who carries volumes
                  Wretched is the example of the people
                  who deny
                  the signs of Allah
                  And Allah does not guide
                  the wrongdoing people
                  (625)

                  Say, "It is He who has produced you
                  and made for you
                  hearing
                  and vision
                  and hearts
                  little are you grateful."
                  (6723)

                  Some thoughts and from the Duty Awareness Program, can each of us discover our life purpose?

                  The one that Allah want us to be and easy for us to be successful?

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                    Facts comparison

                    Argument

                    Example

                    Consequence - Duty Awareness "Program"

                    Human Life = Duty Awareness Program = Deen of Islam

                    Qur'an = Introductory Book = Manual = Guidance

                    The example of those
                    who were entrusted with the Torah
                    and then did not take it on
                    is like that
                    of a donkey
                    who carries volumes
                    Wretched is the example of the people
                    who deny
                    the signs of Allah
                    And Allah does not guide
                    the wrongdoing people
                    (625)

                    Say, "It is He who has produced you
                    and made for you
                    hearing
                    and vision
                    and hearts
                    little are you grateful."
                    (6723)

                    Some thoughts and from the Duty Awareness Program, can each of us discover our life purpose?

                    The one that Allah want us to be and easy for us to be successful?

                    Peace Brother,

                    Salam. Its a just a discussion and not fault findings and I am wrong too, only Allah knows.

                    Your Posts carry too much Advertisement and for the Heart it does nothing. I mean intuitions and Truth.
                    Can you make people to Muslims by Movement or by Aid etc ?. They think they are doing good things but actually the People change ?
                    Are you preaching Islam 5 times Prayer ? Is that so you are following ? Does it bring results ?
                    Can u explain practically what your aid does ?.

                    Whats is your Quran Ayaths related to Movements?. The Book has the solutions for everything.

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                      muslims
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                      Peace Brother,

                      Salam. Its a just a discussion and not fault findings and I am wrong too, only Allah knows.

                      Your Posts carry too much Advertisement and for the Heart it does nothing. I mean intuitions and Truth.
                      Can you make people to Muslims by Movement or by Aid etc ?. They think they are doing good things but actually the People change ?
                      Are you preaching Islam 5 times Prayer ? Is that so you are following ? Does it bring results ?
                      Can u explain practically what your aid does ?.

                      Whats is your Quran Ayaths related to Movements?. The Book has the solutions for everything.

                      Salam jhonsonmustafa,

                      No offense intended, but I don't quite understand what is your point.

                      Peace brother.

                      What is wrong with "benefiting humanity" or even a "group to benefit humanity"?

                      There is no religion and it is not about to spread Islam, since Islam is not a religion. It is about to spread peace, harmony and unity in the society. It's about benefiting humanity, kindness to His creation and giving to relatives. This is how people from different backgrounds and traditions are able to accept Islam by our Prophet Muhammad pbuh. Unconditional acceptance (respect) of world religious practices and balancing what is just to every living creatures. This is "Din of Islam".

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                        #189

                        what is islam?
                        http//www.misconceptions-about-islam.com/more.htm

                        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                          muslims
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                          what is islam?
                          http//www.misconceptions-about-islam.com/more.htm

                          Quite simply, it is a book all about us, discussing our creation, purpose, history, spirituality, psyche, life's big questions, justice, governance etc. It is a guide on how to realise our potential, individually and collectively, if one chooses to seek this path; http//www.misconceptions-about-islam.com/more.htm

                          Thanks

                          (The objective of Allah's command in its context is related to the importance of successorship.
                          So as the Qur'an, where almost the whole content is about humanity and other living creatures
                          on earth; ie. successorship. The Qur'an is not about Allah, but it is about His creations.)

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                            <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335950#msg335950">Pleasure</a> appears good but we cannot ignore reasoning about what is really good; according to the Qur'an - "I know that which you do not know" (<a href="http//quran.com/2/30">230</a&gt.

                            For the above reason we are able to say that there is a deep connection between "<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335950#msg335950">pleasure</a>" (from good or bad) and the Qur'an. The understanding of this connection depends entirely on our ability to understand life as explained in the Qur'an ... to understand the Qur'an objectively, i.e. successorship and towards human unity (Adam).

                            Say He has power to send torment on you
                            from above
                            or from under your feet
                            or to cover you with confusion in party strife
                            and make you to taste
                            the violence of one another <- against unity
                            See how variously We explain the Ayat
                            so that they may understand.
                            (<a href="http//quran.com/6/65">665</a&gt

                            Thus it is reasonable to claim our life is the "Dictionary" for the Qur'an and it requires fulfillment of certain conditions before we are able to use our dictionary. It requires us to shut off the "<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335263#msg335263">gods and ulemas inside us</a>" (shirk).

                            Have you seen
                            he who has taken as his god his desire
                            and Allah has sent him astray due to knowledge
                            and has set a seal
                            upon his hearing
                            and his heart
                            and put over his vision a veil?
                            So who will guide him after Allah?
                            Then will you not be reminded?
                            (<a href="http//quran.com/45/23">4523</a&gt

                            Indeed, IT IS A NOBLE QURAN.
                            In a protected Book. <- Dictionary -> our life experiences
                            None can grasp it
                            except
                            those purified (<a href="http//quran.com/9/28">from polytheism</a&gt
                            (<a href="http//quran.com/56/77-79">5677-79</a&gt

                            The ability to shut off the gods and ulemas inside ourselves depends on "Spiritual", Spirit and Ritual.

                            Spirit the nonphysical part of a person that is the seat of emotions and character; the soul.

                            Ritual a religious or solemn ceremony consisting of a series of actions performed according
                            to a prescribed order.

                            So much so that our physical bodies need foods to survive, "Spiritual" is the foods for our souls.

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                              The Flow of Ideas

                              Basically, Shirk relates to "ideas" that are inconsistent and against the ideas in the Qur'an. It is the "gods and ulamas inside ourselves" that count. Nothing can harm our relationship with Allah if we are not accepting these inconsistent "ideas" (<a href="http//quran.com/5/105">5105</a&gt.

                              Consequence Self Acceptance Human Ideas Self Action (Conduct)
                              vs. Qur'an Ideas

                              No Shirk <- Internal Self <- Consistent <- Prophet Sulaiman build statues
                              (Acceptance) Ideas for communication (<a href="http//quran.com/34/10-16">3410-16</a&gt

                              Shirk <- Internal Self <- Inconsistent <- Worship Stone as God
                              (Acceptance) Ideas

                              Shirk <- Internal Self <- Inconsistent <- Worship Fire as God
                              (Acceptance) Ideas

                              Shirk <- Internal Self <- Inconsistent <- Worship Shiva as God
                              (Acceptance) Ideas

                              Shirk <- Internal Self <- Inconsistent <- Worship Jesus as God
                              (Acceptance) Ideas

                              Shirk <- Internal Self <- Inconsistent <- Follow the Ulama (Arbab)
                              (Acceptance) Ideas (<a href="http//quran.com/3/150">3150</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/3/64">364</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/17/56-57">1756-57</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/23/47">2347</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/40/29">4029</a&gt
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                              Gods & Ulamas (<a href="http//quran.com/45/23">4523</a&gt
                              (Personal Adviser)
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                              Level for Determination
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                              "..Allah has not put for any man two hearts inside his body.." (<a href="http//quran.com/33/4">334</a&gt
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                              Heart

                              Therefore, the gods and ulamas are within ourselves. It is the "ideas" that are inconsistent with the Qur'anic Ideas.

                              Therefore our primary question in life is how far we are able to control the ideas within ourselves?

                              For the sake of testing ourselves and to realize the gods and ulamas inside ourselves, try to stop eating, drinking and sleeping for 3 straight days (72 hours). Are we able to achieve this target or we are still hypocrites? This is not suggested by the Qur'an, and only a simple self-test to prove the existence of gods and ulamas inside ourselves. A simple test to realize the flow of ideas within ourselves and how far we are able to control these ideas.

                              Do the people think
                              that they will be left to say,
                              "We believe"
                              and they will not be tried?

                              But We have certainly tried those before them
                              and Allah will surely make evident
                              those who are truthful
                              and He will surely make evident
                              the liars

                              Or do those who do evil deeds think they can outrun Us?
                              Evil is what they judge
                              (<a href="http//quran.com/29/2-4">292-4</a&gt

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                                Islam For Dummies (With Chart)

                                The Flow of Ideas
                                Continue from <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335472#msg335472">1</a> and <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335571#msg335571">2</a>

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                                Thus "Just and Balance" has no religion, it is our way of life..

                                It is "Islam"

                                It is also the main element of every religion, and to a certain extent

                                • Buddha is promoting just and balance (water)
                                • Christian is promoting just and balance (air)
                                • Hindu is promoting just and balance (fire)
                                • Sunni religion is promoting just and balance (fire)
                                • Shia religion is promoting just and balance (fire)
                                • Judaism is promoting just and balance (earth)
                                • Atheism is promoting just and balance (water)
                                • Everyone and every religion is promoting just and balance

                                Nonetheless, what went wrong?

                                Why these religions disregarding the element of "just and balance" in other religion?

                                It is because of "religion" .. the "God Alone" (Allah Alone) concept ... this is Religion.

                                Striving what is "just and balance" to their personal religion, and not as a whole..

                                Every religion and sects are striving for what is right and wrong on each separate element
                                ...
                                Based on the above, all of them are right.. but only to certain extent.

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                                  Example of Quranic Ideas

                                  The truth is from your Lord
                                  so never be among the doubters
                                  (<a href="http//quran.com/2/147">2147</a&gt

                                  And We have certainly made the Qur'an
                                  easy for remembrance
                                  so is there any who will remember?
                                  (<a href="http//quran.com/54/17">5417</a>, <a href="http//quran.com/54/22">5422</a>, <a href="http//quran.com/54/32">5432</a>, <a href="http//quran.com/54/40">5440</a&gt

                                  Alif, Lam, Ra
                                  a Book whose verses are perfected
                                  and then presented in detail
                                  from Wise and Acquainted
                                  (<a href="http//quran.com/11/1">111</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/45/11">4511</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/10/37">1037</a&gt1037(<a href="http//quran.com/7/52">752</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/7/174">7174</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/6/55">655</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/6/114">6114</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/6/126">6126</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/6/119">6119</a&gt

                                  Turning to Him
                                  and be careful of (your duty to) Him
                                  and keep up prayer
                                  and be not of the polytheists
                                  Of those who
                                  divided their religion
                                  and became seas
                                  every sect rejoicing
                                  in what they had with them
                                  (<a href="http//quran.com/30/31-32">3031-32</a&gt

                                  O you who believe!
                                  DO NOT put questions
                                  about things
                                  which if declared to you
                                  may trouble you
                                  and if you question about them
                                  when the Quran is being revealed
                                  they shall be declared to you
                                  Allah pardons this
                                  and Allah is Forgiving, Forbearing.
                                  (<a href="http//quran.com/5/101">5101</a&gt

                                  How far we are able to control the flow of these ideas in ourselves?

                                  We can't, unless we are able to cleanse our nafs, mind (subconscious), heart and reprogram it according to the Qur'an. Therefore, this requires <a href="http//quran.com/13/28">spirituality</a> and an obedience to Allah. It requires us to observe the <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335603#msg335603">"DO NOT" prohibition</a>. It requires total submission, i.e. Islam. It is Allah who will help us to control these ideas and saves us from Shirk.

                                  Thee do we serve and Thee do we beseech for help. (<a href="http//quran.com/1/5">15</a&gt

                                  Serve to Allah comes first (<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335266#msg335266">Islam - obedience</a&gt.
                                  Only then... Allah will help us.

                                  They think that they lay you under an obligation
                                  by becoming Muslims
                                  Say Lay me not under obligation by your Islam
                                  rather Allah lays you under an obligation
                                  by guiding you to the faith
                                  if you are truthful
                                  (<a href="http//quran.com/49/17">4917</a&gt

                                  Is not Allah sufficient for His servant?
                                  And they seek to frighten you with those besides Him
                                  and whomsoever Allah makes err
                                  there is no guide for him
                                  (<a href="http//quran.com/39/36">3936</a&gt

                                  And the same did Ibrahim enjoin on his sons and (so did) Yaqoub
                                  O my sons! surely Allah has chosen for you (this) faith
                                  therefore die not
                                  unless you are Muslims
                                  (<a href="http//quran.com/2/132">2132</a&gt

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                                    Islam For Dummies (With Chart)

                                    The ideas of peace, harmony and unity in the society.

                                    The ideas of benefiting humanity, kindness to His creation and giving to relatives.

                                    God commands

                                    justice
                                    CREATING BALANCE
                                    in the society

                                    benefiting
                                    humanity

                                    kindness
                                    to His creation

                                    and giving
                                    to relatives

                                    (1690)

                                    A Muslim must now learn how to become Negotiator, Mediator and Conciliator. There is no religion and it is not about to spread Islam, since Islam is not a religion. It is about to spread peace, harmony and unity in the society. It's about benefiting humanity, kindness to His creation and giving to relatives. This is how people from different backgrounds and traditions are able to accept Islam by our Prophet Muhammad pbuh. Unconditional acceptance (respect) of world religious practices and balancing what is just to every living creatures. This is "Din of Islam".

                                    When Being Wrong Is Right

                                    And when We said to the angels
                                    Make obeisance to Adam
                                    they did obeisance <- <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335256#msg335256">Associating Allah with Adam</a>
                                    but Iblis (did it not). <- <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335480#msg335480">Prostrate to Allah Alone - God Alone Concept</a>
                                    He refused
                                    and he was proud
                                    and he was one of the unbelievers
                                    (234)

                                    http//s11.postimg.org/hq4ht9ic3/humanunity.png

                                    • The importance of Spirituality (water) & Communication/Humanism (Air) Salt water oceans make up 71% of the Earth?s surface. However, it should exceed 71% if it includes the freshwater lakes and glaciers that cover the Earth?s surface. The air is everywhere and takes up space. These indicate the importance of spirituality and communication or humanism in our life.

                                    The core of the Earth is fire (religion/God Alone ideas etc.) and relates to the following concept, "Mind our own business" (<a href="http//quran.com/5/105">5105</a&gt. This because if we are giving primary importance to the fire elements, it will burn this whole world down. War and hatred etc., and soon there will be no living creatures on Earth.

                                    Life Purpose
                                    (our test)
                                    |
                                    +--------------------------------------+
                                    | |
                                    Iman Amal
                                    | |
                                    Theoretical Practicality
                                    | |
                                    Minor Major
                                    | |
                                    100% Obedience-> -> -> -> ->Towards human unity
                                    | |
                                    Mind our own business No Compulsion
                                    (only ourselves*) (<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335750#msg335750">Unconditional Freedom</a&gt
                                    (<a href="http//quran.com/5/105">5105</a&gt (<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335750#msg335750">2256</a&gt
                                    | |
                                    "DO NOT ask" Just and Balance etc.
                                    (<a href="http//quran.com/5/101">5101</a&gt (<a href="http//quran.com/16/90">1690</a&gt
                                    |
                                    as simplified as possible

                                    Main issue for every Muslim.

                                    In case following the Sunnatullah is the right way
                                    please show in logical ways from the Quran

                                    1. How to follow the Sunnatullah without disobeying other terms in the Quran
                                    2. How to extract and apply the "system" of Sunnnatullah ("just and balance&quot in "ourselves".
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                                      Salam Bender,

                                      Sorry for interrupting

                                      Salaamun alayka,

                                      I thought you were finished talking with me or did I misunderstood your last comment to me hmm

                                      but you are comparing Allah with Adam in a same category,

                                      really? hmm I did not notice that.
                                      Can you please quote that post of mine where I did that, and give the specific part a red color so that I can see it myself.

                                      and I just wondering where does it say in the Qur'an that Allah belongs to the category of a "Successor"?

                                      This is so since this category or the word successor indicates that Allah "inherits" His authority or He can be replaced or substituted.

                                      Did you actually understood what I was saying?

                                      Salaam,
                                      Bender

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                                        Salam Bender,

                                        I thought you were finished talking with me or did I misunderstood your last comment to me hmm

                                        Do you have a verse for this statement?

                                        Do you understand what is Asma Ul Husna?

                                        The 99 names of God or 99 names of Allah (Arabic asm allh al-usn&#257
                                        are the Names of God
                                        by which Muslims regard God (Allah)
                                        and which are described in the Qur'an
                                        and Sunnah
                                        amongst other places
                                        (<a href="http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Islam">Wikipedia Names of God in Islam</a&gt

                                        <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.100">Proof that you do not understand what is Asma Ul Husna and thought the names are solely from the Qur'an.</a> <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335623#msg335623">(2)</a>, <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335626#msg335626">(3)</a>, <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335644#msg335644">(4)</a> and the following statement.

                                        My conclusion is that al3adl is not an Al-Asma Al-Husa. In The Quran it is NEVER referred to Allah

                                        Our discussion
                                        <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335654#msg335654">1. Main Issue</a>
                                        <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.100">2. Diversion</a> RED Clear proof you do not understand what is Asma Ul Husna.
                                        No answer and divert to a different issue.
                                        <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335734#msg335734">3. Explanation on the Asma Ul Husna. </a>
                                        <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335798#msg335798">4. More diversion from the actual issue.</a>
                                        <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335800#msg335800">5. Waste of time. </a>No logical argument but just a matter of wanting to be right and superior to others,
                                        without any logical reason or understanding of Asma Ul Husna.

                                        really? hmm I did not notice that.
                                        Can you please quote that post of mine where I did that, and give the specific part a red color so that I can see it myself.

                                        "a successor" and "My successor" are not the same.
                                        Is there anyone who can succeed Allah?

                                        You are raising the issue of whether "a successor" or "My successor" "can succeed Allah".

                                        This is a comparison of Allah in the same category with human, and on the issue of successorship.

                                        Have I missed something?

                                        Please explain.

                                        Did you actually understood what I was saying?

                                        Do you understand what is a "successor" in (<a href="http//quran.com/2/30">230</a&gt?

                                        There is no issue who can succeed Allah.

                                        It is not about who can succeed Allah, it is about succeed those who have come before Adam.

                                        I believe the word successor is referring to the following facts, They (angels) said, "Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood" (<a href="http//quran.com/2/30">230</a&gt. Thus, Adam (and his descendants) are part of His creation and which succeeds those who have come before them.

                                        Therefore, what difference does it make to Allah whether it is "a successor" or "My successor"? What's it got to do with to succeed Allah?

                                        Have I missed something?

                                        Please explain.

                                        Peace brother.

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                                          Salam Bender,

                                          Do you understand what is Asma Ul Husna?

                                          The 99 names of God or 99 names of Allah (Arabic asm allh al-usn&#257
                                          are the Names of God
                                          by which Muslims regard God (Allah)
                                          and which are described in the Qur'an
                                          and Sunnah
                                          amongst other places
                                          (<a href="http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Islam">Wikipedia Names of God in Islam</a&gt

                                          <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.100">Proof that you do not understand what is Asma Ul Husna and thought the names are solely from the Qur'an.</a> <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335623#msg335623">(2)</a>, <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335626#msg335626">(3)</a>, <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335644#msg335644">(4)</a> and the following statement.

                                          Salaamun alayka,

                                          Are you seriously directing me to wiki and ahadith of Bukharie & Co to make me understand what AlAsma AlHusna are?
                                          I think you are in the wrong forum or at least I am the wrong person for that kind of proofs.

                                          Our discussion
                                          <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335654#msg335654">1. Main Issue</a>
                                          <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.100">2. Diversion</a> RED Clear proof you do not understand what is Asma Ul Husna.
                                          No answer and divert to a different issue.
                                          <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335734#msg335734">3. Explanation on the Asma Ul Husna. </a>
                                          <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335798#msg335798">4. More diversion from the actual issue.</a>
                                          <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335800#msg335800">5. Waste of time. </a>No logical argument but just a matter of wanting to be right and superior to others,
                                          without any logical reason or understanding of Asma Ul Husna.

                                          seriously I don't know what to say, so I just -X

                                          You are raising the issue of whether "a successor" or "My successor" "can succeed Allah".

                                          This is a comparison of Allah in the same category with human, and on the issue of successorship.

                                          Have I missed something?

                                          Please explain.

                                          You put words in my mouth and then I have to explain myself for that hmm
                                          Maybe it's an option for you to do some exercises in comprehensive reading.
                                          Or maybe it is me who has to do some exercises in comprehensive writing.

                                          Do you understand what is a "successor" in (<a href="http//quran.com/2/30">230</a&gt?

                                          There is no issue who can succeed Allah.

                                          It is not about who can succeed Allah, it is about succeed those who have come before Adam.

                                          Therefore, what difference does it make to Allah whether it is "a successor" or "My successor"? What's it got to do with to succeed Allah?

                                          Have I missed something?

                                          Please explain.

                                          Maybe it is better for you to read my discussion with drfazl first, just an option.

                                          Peace brother.

                                          Salaam,
                                          Bender

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