What is Islam?

muslims

Facts comparison

Argument

What is good or bad?
...
and so on...
and it will increase or decrease accordingly... just and balance.

Therefore, it makes no difference of becoming rich, poor or etc (illusion),
but all these are related to our level of self satisfaction and "Alhamdu";
i.e. fulfillment of Deen, raising or decreasing our awareness to our duty (Deen/Dayn/Debt/Duty <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335480#msg335480">and...</a&gt.

Why are there so many species of bacteria?
Why is there so many dust?
Why do we sweat?
and so as all other problems we are facing today.
Allah Alone or reading Qur'an Alone will not solve this problem, it is "Theoretical" in nature.

It is the fulfillment of "Alhamdu" that will lead us to real success (believe and do righteous deeds).

Example

The Story of Islamic Aid
by Mahmood Hassan, Founder and Chairman of Islamic Aid

I was born and brought up in some of the most deprived areas of Pakistan. During my childhood, I once lived with my grandparents in village 114/15-L, near Mianchannun. My village did not have a school. Each morning I set off on my journey to a neighbouring village so I could go to school. Aged only eight years I walked more than 7km every day so I could receive an education. There were no roads at all ? just a dirt track. The landscape was baron ? and not the green backdrop which is there today. My journey to and from school.

Not only was the journey hot and dusty, it was filled with fear. At such a young age I had no idea who ? or what ? I would encounter on the way to school, something, I believe, no child should encounter, something that has stayed with me 36 years on, something I do not want other children to encounter.

Consequence - Duty Awareness "Program"

I want every child in the world to be successful.

Human Life = Duty Awareness Program = Deen of Islam

Qur'an = Introductory Book = Manual = Guidance

The example of those
who were entrusted with the Torah
and then did not take it on
is like that
of a donkey
who carries volumes
Wretched is the example of the people
who deny
the signs of Allah
And Allah does not guide
the wrongdoing people
(625)

Say, "It is He who has produced you
and made for you
hearing
and vision
and hearts
little are you grateful."
(6723)

Some thoughts and from the Duty Awareness Program, can each of us discover our life purpose?

The one that Allah want us to be and easy for us to be successful?

jhonsonmustafa

Facts comparison

Argument

Example

Consequence - Duty Awareness "Program"

Human Life = Duty Awareness Program = Deen of Islam

Qur'an = Introductory Book = Manual = Guidance

The example of those
who were entrusted with the Torah
and then did not take it on
is like that
of a donkey
who carries volumes
Wretched is the example of the people
who deny
the signs of Allah
And Allah does not guide
the wrongdoing people
(625)

Say, "It is He who has produced you
and made for you
hearing
and vision
and hearts
little are you grateful."
(6723)

Some thoughts and from the Duty Awareness Program, can each of us discover our life purpose?

The one that Allah want us to be and easy for us to be successful?

Peace Brother,

Salam. Its a just a discussion and not fault findings and I am wrong too, only Allah knows.

Your Posts carry too much Advertisement and for the Heart it does nothing. I mean intuitions and Truth.
Can you make people to Muslims by Movement or by Aid etc ?. They think they are doing good things but actually the People change ?
Are you preaching Islam 5 times Prayer ? Is that so you are following ? Does it bring results ?
Can u explain practically what your aid does ?.

Whats is your Quran Ayaths related to Movements?. The Book has the solutions for everything.

muslims

Peace Brother,

Salam. Its a just a discussion and not fault findings and I am wrong too, only Allah knows.

Your Posts carry too much Advertisement and for the Heart it does nothing. I mean intuitions and Truth.
Can you make people to Muslims by Movement or by Aid etc ?. They think they are doing good things but actually the People change ?
Are you preaching Islam 5 times Prayer ? Is that so you are following ? Does it bring results ?
Can u explain practically what your aid does ?.

Whats is your Quran Ayaths related to Movements?. The Book has the solutions for everything.

Salam jhonsonmustafa,

No offense intended, but I don't quite understand what is your point.

Peace brother.

What is wrong with "benefiting humanity" or even a "group to benefit humanity"?

There is no religion and it is not about to spread Islam, since Islam is not a religion. It is about to spread peace, harmony and unity in the society. It's about benefiting humanity, kindness to His creation and giving to relatives. This is how people from different backgrounds and traditions are able to accept Islam by our Prophet Muhammad pbuh. Unconditional acceptance (respect) of world religious practices and balancing what is just to every living creatures. This is "Din of Islam".

Wakas

what is islam?
http//www.misconceptions-about-islam.com/more.htm

muslims

what is islam?
http//www.misconceptions-about-islam.com/more.htm

Quite simply, it is a book all about us, discussing our creation, purpose, history, spirituality, psyche, life's big questions, justice, governance etc. It is a guide on how to realise our potential, individually and collectively, if one chooses to seek this path; http//www.misconceptions-about-islam.com/more.htm

Thanks

(The objective of Allah's command in its context is related to the importance of successorship.
So as the Qur'an, where almost the whole content is about humanity and other living creatures
on earth; ie. successorship. The Qur'an is not about Allah, but it is about His creations.)

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<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335950#msg335950">Pleasure</a> appears good but we cannot ignore reasoning about what is really good; according to the Qur'an - "I know that which you do not know" (<a href="http//quran.com/2/30">230</a&gt.

For the above reason we are able to say that there is a deep connection between "<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335950#msg335950">pleasure</a>" (from good or bad) and the Qur'an. The understanding of this connection depends entirely on our ability to understand life as explained in the Qur'an ... to understand the Qur'an objectively, i.e. successorship and towards human unity (Adam).

Say He has power to send torment on you
from above
or from under your feet
or to cover you with confusion in party strife
and make you to taste
the violence of one another <- against unity
See how variously We explain the Ayat
so that they may understand.
(<a href="http//quran.com/6/65">665</a&gt

Thus it is reasonable to claim our life is the "Dictionary" for the Qur'an and it requires fulfillment of certain conditions before we are able to use our dictionary. It requires us to shut off the "<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335263#msg335263">gods and ulemas inside us</a>" (shirk).

Have you seen
he who has taken as his god his desire
and Allah has sent him astray due to knowledge
and has set a seal
upon his hearing
and his heart
and put over his vision a veil?
So who will guide him after Allah?
Then will you not be reminded?
(<a href="http//quran.com/45/23">4523</a&gt

Indeed, IT IS A NOBLE QURAN.
In a protected Book. <- Dictionary -> our life experiences
None can grasp it
except
those purified (<a href="http//quran.com/9/28">from polytheism</a&gt
(<a href="http//quran.com/56/77-79">5677-79</a&gt

The ability to shut off the gods and ulemas inside ourselves depends on "Spiritual", Spirit and Ritual.

Spirit the nonphysical part of a person that is the seat of emotions and character; the soul.

Ritual a religious or solemn ceremony consisting of a series of actions performed according
to a prescribed order.

So much so that our physical bodies need foods to survive, "Spiritual" is the foods for our souls.

muslims

The Flow of Ideas

Basically, Shirk relates to "ideas" that are inconsistent and against the ideas in the Qur'an. It is the "gods and ulamas inside ourselves" that count. Nothing can harm our relationship with Allah if we are not accepting these inconsistent "ideas" (<a href="http//quran.com/5/105">5105</a&gt.

Consequence Self Acceptance Human Ideas Self Action (Conduct)
vs. Qur'an Ideas

No Shirk <- Internal Self <- Consistent <- Prophet Sulaiman build statues
(Acceptance) Ideas for communication (<a href="http//quran.com/34/10-16">3410-16</a&gt

Shirk <- Internal Self <- Inconsistent <- Worship Stone as God
(Acceptance) Ideas

Shirk <- Internal Self <- Inconsistent <- Worship Fire as God
(Acceptance) Ideas

Shirk <- Internal Self <- Inconsistent <- Worship Shiva as God
(Acceptance) Ideas

Shirk <- Internal Self <- Inconsistent <- Worship Jesus as God
(Acceptance) Ideas

Shirk <- Internal Self <- Inconsistent <- Follow the Ulama (Arbab)
(Acceptance) Ideas (<a href="http//quran.com/3/150">3150</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/3/64">364</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/17/56-57">1756-57</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/23/47">2347</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/40/29">4029</a&gt
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Gods & Ulamas (<a href="http//quran.com/45/23">4523</a&gt
(Personal Adviser)
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Level for Determination
http//static1.cargurus.com/gfx/cargurus/inventorylistings/circle_arrow_up_green_small.gif
"..Allah has not put for any man two hearts inside his body.." (<a href="http//quran.com/33/4">334</a&gt
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Heart

Therefore, the gods and ulamas are within ourselves. It is the "ideas" that are inconsistent with the Qur'anic Ideas.

Therefore our primary question in life is how far we are able to control the ideas within ourselves?

For the sake of testing ourselves and to realize the gods and ulamas inside ourselves, try to stop eating, drinking and sleeping for 3 straight days (72 hours). Are we able to achieve this target or we are still hypocrites? This is not suggested by the Qur'an, and only a simple self-test to prove the existence of gods and ulamas inside ourselves. A simple test to realize the flow of ideas within ourselves and how far we are able to control these ideas.

Do the people think
that they will be left to say,
"We believe"
and they will not be tried?

But We have certainly tried those before them
and Allah will surely make evident
those who are truthful
and He will surely make evident
the liars

Or do those who do evil deeds think they can outrun Us?
Evil is what they judge
(<a href="http//quran.com/29/2-4">292-4</a&gt

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Islam For Dummies (With Chart)

The Flow of Ideas
Continue from <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335472#msg335472">1</a> and <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335571#msg335571">2</a>

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Thus "Just and Balance" has no religion, it is our way of life..

It is "Islam"

It is also the main element of every religion, and to a certain extent

Buddha is promoting just and balance (water)
Christian is promoting just and balance (air)
Hindu is promoting just and balance (fire)
Sunni religion is promoting just and balance (fire)
Shia religion is promoting just and balance (fire)
Judaism is promoting just and balance (earth)
Atheism is promoting just and balance (water)
Everyone and every religion is promoting just and balance

Nonetheless, what went wrong?

Why these religions disregarding the element of "just and balance" in other religion?

It is because of "religion" .. the "God Alone" (Allah Alone) concept ... this is Religion.

Striving what is "just and balance" to their personal religion, and not as a whole..

Every religion and sects are striving for what is right and wrong on each separate element
...
Based on the above, all of them are right.. but only to certain extent.

muslims

Example of Quranic Ideas

The truth is from your Lord
so never be among the doubters
(<a href="http//quran.com/2/147">2147</a&gt

And We have certainly made the Qur'an
easy for remembrance
so is there any who will remember?
(<a href="http//quran.com/54/17">5417</a>, <a href="http//quran.com/54/22">5422</a>, <a href="http//quran.com/54/32">5432</a>, <a href="http//quran.com/54/40">5440</a&gt

Alif, Lam, Ra
a Book whose verses are perfected
and then presented in detail
from Wise and Acquainted
(<a href="http//quran.com/11/1">111</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/45/11">4511</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/10/37">1037</a&gt1037(<a href="http//quran.com/7/52">752</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/7/174">7174</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/6/55">655</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/6/114">6114</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/6/126">6126</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/6/119">6119</a&gt

Turning to Him
and be careful of (your duty to) Him
and keep up prayer
and be not of the polytheists
Of those who
divided their religion
and became seas
every sect rejoicing
in what they had with them
(<a href="http//quran.com/30/31-32">3031-32</a&gt

O you who believe!
DO NOT put questions
about things
which if declared to you
may trouble you
and if you question about them
when the Quran is being revealed
they shall be declared to you
Allah pardons this
and Allah is Forgiving, Forbearing.
(<a href="http//quran.com/5/101">5101</a&gt

How far we are able to control the flow of these ideas in ourselves?

We can't, unless we are able to cleanse our nafs, mind (subconscious), heart and reprogram it according to the Qur'an. Therefore, this requires <a href="http//quran.com/13/28">spirituality</a> and an obedience to Allah. It requires us to observe the <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335603#msg335603">"DO NOT" prohibition</a>. It requires total submission, i.e. Islam. It is Allah who will help us to control these ideas and saves us from Shirk.

Thee do we serve and Thee do we beseech for help. (<a href="http//quran.com/1/5">15</a&gt

Serve to Allah comes first (<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335266#msg335266">Islam - obedience</a&gt.
Only then... Allah will help us.

They think that they lay you under an obligation
by becoming Muslims
Say Lay me not under obligation by your Islam
rather Allah lays you under an obligation
by guiding you to the faith
if you are truthful
(<a href="http//quran.com/49/17">4917</a&gt

Is not Allah sufficient for His servant?
And they seek to frighten you with those besides Him
and whomsoever Allah makes err
there is no guide for him
(<a href="http//quran.com/39/36">3936</a&gt

And the same did Ibrahim enjoin on his sons and (so did) Yaqoub
O my sons! surely Allah has chosen for you (this) faith
therefore die not
unless you are Muslims
(<a href="http//quran.com/2/132">2132</a&gt

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Islam For Dummies (With Chart)

The ideas of peace, harmony and unity in the society.

The ideas of benefiting humanity, kindness to His creation and giving to relatives.

God commands

justice
CREATING BALANCE
in the society

benefiting
humanity

kindness
to His creation

and giving
to relatives

(1690)

A Muslim must now learn how to become Negotiator, Mediator and Conciliator. There is no religion and it is not about to spread Islam, since Islam is not a religion. It is about to spread peace, harmony and unity in the society. It's about benefiting humanity, kindness to His creation and giving to relatives. This is how people from different backgrounds and traditions are able to accept Islam by our Prophet Muhammad pbuh. Unconditional acceptance (respect) of world religious practices and balancing what is just to every living creatures. This is "Din of Islam".

When Being Wrong Is Right

And when We said to the angels
Make obeisance to Adam
they did obeisance <- <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335256#msg335256">Associating Allah with Adam</a>
but Iblis (did it not). <- <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335480#msg335480">Prostrate to Allah Alone - God Alone Concept</a>
He refused
and he was proud
and he was one of the unbelievers
(234)

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The importance of Spirituality (water) & Communication/Humanism (Air) Salt water oceans make up 71% of the Earth?s surface. However, it should exceed 71% if it includes the freshwater lakes and glaciers that cover the Earth?s surface. The air is everywhere and takes up space. These indicate the importance of spirituality and communication or humanism in our life.

The core of the Earth is fire (religion/God Alone ideas etc.) and relates to the following concept, "Mind our own business" (<a href="http//quran.com/5/105">5105</a&gt. This because if we are giving primary importance to the fire elements, it will burn this whole world down. War and hatred etc., and soon there will be no living creatures on Earth.

Life Purpose
(our test)
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+--------------------------------------+
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Iman Amal
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Theoretical Practicality
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Minor Major
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100% Obedience-> -> -> -> ->Towards human unity
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Mind our own business No Compulsion
(only ourselves*) (<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335750#msg335750">Unconditional Freedom</a&gt
(<a href="http//quran.com/5/105">5105</a&gt (<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335750#msg335750">2256</a&gt
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"DO NOT ask" Just and Balance etc.
(<a href="http//quran.com/5/101">5101</a&gt (<a href="http//quran.com/16/90">1690</a&gt
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as simplified as possible

Main issue for every Muslim.

In case following the Sunnatullah is the right way
please show in logical ways from the Quran

How to follow the Sunnatullah without disobeying other terms in the Quran
How to extract and apply the "system" of Sunnnatullah ("just and balance&quot in "ourselves".

Bender

Salam Bender,

Sorry for interrupting

Salaamun alayka,

I thought you were finished talking with me or did I misunderstood your last comment to me hmm

but you are comparing Allah with Adam in a same category,

really? hmm I did not notice that.
Can you please quote that post of mine where I did that, and give the specific part a red color so that I can see it myself.

and I just wondering where does it say in the Qur'an that Allah belongs to the category of a "Successor"?

This is so since this category or the word successor indicates that Allah "inherits" His authority or He can be replaced or substituted.

Did you actually understood what I was saying?

Salaam,
Bender

muslims

Salam Bender,

I thought you were finished talking with me or did I misunderstood your last comment to me hmm

Do you have a verse for this statement?

Do you understand what is Asma Ul Husna?

The 99 names of God or 99 names of Allah (Arabic asm allh al-usn&#257
are the Names of God
by which Muslims regard God (Allah)
and which are described in the Qur'an
and Sunnah
amongst other places
(<a href="http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Islam">Wikipedia Names of God in Islam</a&gt

<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.100">Proof that you do not understand what is Asma Ul Husna and thought the names are solely from the Qur'an.</a> <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335623#msg335623">(2)</a>, <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335626#msg335626">(3)</a>, <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335644#msg335644">(4)</a> and the following statement.

My conclusion is that al3adl is not an Al-Asma Al-Husa. In The Quran it is NEVER referred to Allah

Our discussion
<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335654#msg335654">1. Main Issue</a>
<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.100">2. Diversion</a> RED Clear proof you do not understand what is Asma Ul Husna.
No answer and divert to a different issue.
<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335734#msg335734">3. Explanation on the Asma Ul Husna. </a>
<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335798#msg335798">4. More diversion from the actual issue.</a>
<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335800#msg335800">5. Waste of time. </a>No logical argument but just a matter of wanting to be right and superior to others,
without any logical reason or understanding of Asma Ul Husna.

really? hmm I did not notice that.
Can you please quote that post of mine where I did that, and give the specific part a red color so that I can see it myself.

"a successor" and "My successor" are not the same.
Is there anyone who can succeed Allah?

You are raising the issue of whether "a successor" or "My successor" "can succeed Allah".

This is a comparison of Allah in the same category with human, and on the issue of successorship.

Have I missed something?

Please explain.

Did you actually understood what I was saying?

Do you understand what is a "successor" in (<a href="http//quran.com/2/30">230</a&gt?

There is no issue who can succeed Allah.

It is not about who can succeed Allah, it is about succeed those who have come before Adam.

I believe the word successor is referring to the following facts, They (angels) said, "Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood" (<a href="http//quran.com/2/30">230</a&gt. Thus, Adam (and his descendants) are part of His creation and which succeeds those who have come before them.

Therefore, what difference does it make to Allah whether it is "a successor" or "My successor"? What's it got to do with to succeed Allah?

Have I missed something?

Please explain.

Peace brother.

Bender

Salam Bender,

Do you understand what is Asma Ul Husna?

The 99 names of God or 99 names of Allah (Arabic asm allh al-usn&#257
are the Names of God
by which Muslims regard God (Allah)
and which are described in the Qur'an
and Sunnah
amongst other places
(<a href="http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Islam">Wikipedia Names of God in Islam</a&gt

<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.100">Proof that you do not understand what is Asma Ul Husna and thought the names are solely from the Qur'an.</a> <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335623#msg335623">(2)</a>, <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335626#msg335626">(3)</a>, <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335644#msg335644">(4)</a> and the following statement.

Salaamun alayka,

Are you seriously directing me to wiki and ahadith of Bukharie & Co to make me understand what AlAsma AlHusna are?
I think you are in the wrong forum or at least I am the wrong person for that kind of proofs.

Our discussion
<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335654#msg335654">1. Main Issue</a>
<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.100">2. Diversion</a> RED Clear proof you do not understand what is Asma Ul Husna.
No answer and divert to a different issue.
<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335734#msg335734">3. Explanation on the Asma Ul Husna. </a>
<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335798#msg335798">4. More diversion from the actual issue.</a>
<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335800#msg335800">5. Waste of time. </a>No logical argument but just a matter of wanting to be right and superior to others,
without any logical reason or understanding of Asma Ul Husna.

seriously I don't know what to say, so I just -X

You are raising the issue of whether "a successor" or "My successor" "can succeed Allah".

This is a comparison of Allah in the same category with human, and on the issue of successorship.

Have I missed something?

Please explain.

You put words in my mouth and then I have to explain myself for that hmm
Maybe it's an option for you to do some exercises in comprehensive reading.
Or maybe it is me who has to do some exercises in comprehensive writing.

Do you understand what is a "successor" in (<a href="http//quran.com/2/30">230</a&gt?

There is no issue who can succeed Allah.

It is not about who can succeed Allah, it is about succeed those who have come before Adam.

Therefore, what difference does it make to Allah whether it is "a successor" or "My successor"? What's it got to do with to succeed Allah?

Have I missed something?

Please explain.

Maybe it is better for you to read my discussion with drfazl first, just an option.

Peace brother.

Salaam,
Bender

muslims

Salaamun alayka,

Are you seriously directing me to wiki and ahadith of Bukharie & Co to make me understand what AlAsma AlHusna are?
I think you are in the wrong forum or at least I am the wrong person for that kind of proofs.

seriously I don't know what to say, so I just -X

You put words in my mouth and then I have to explain myself for that hmm
Maybe it's an option for you to do some exercises in comprehensive reading.
Or maybe it is me who has to do some exercises in comprehensive writing.

Maybe it is better for you to read my discussion with drfazl first, just an option.

Salaam,
Bender

Salam Bender,

It's okay ... you win.

There are no explanations or facts, and I'm not interested in further discussion unless you understand what is "Asma Ul Husna" and a "successor".

Peace brother.

Bender

Salam Bender,

It's okay ... you win.

I'm not interested in further discussion unless you are able to understand what is "Asma Ul Husna" and a "successor".

Peace brother.

Salaamun alayka,

2 questions if you don't mind

Do you take Wiki and the hadiths of Bukharie & Co as evidence to prove something about Allah?
Did you read the discussion between me and drfazl earlier in this thread about khalifa?

salaam,
Bender

muslims

Salaamun alayka,

2 questions if you don't mind

Do you take Wiki and the hadiths of Bukharie & Co as evidence to prove something about Allah?
Did you read the discussion between me and drfazl earlier in this thread about khalifa?

salaam,
Bender

Salam Bender,

I have given you my reference and release my burden of proof.

Now the question, do you understand what is "Asma Ul Husna"?

What is your reference to refute the definition?

Do you mind, are you a born Muslim or converted?

Secondly, where did I say I refute the whole argument?

I'm specifically referring to your statement and the issue of "successor" and "who can succeed Allah".

Peace brother.

Allah The Just, Al-`Adl (&#1604

Salaamun alayka,

Do you have a verse for this statement?

Not specifically and I'm referring to the asma ul husna.

As I said, the "asma ul husna"

It is true, the specific words are not in the Qur'an

My conclusion is that al3adl is not an Al-Asma Al-Husa.

Bender

Salam Bender,

I have given you my reference and release my burden of proof.

Now the question, do you understand what is "Asma Ul Husna"?

Salaamun alayka,

Alhamdullillah, I believe Allah give me enough knowledge to understand what AlAsma AlHusna are.

What is your reference to refute the definition?

If you mean to refute the traditional 99 names, then my reference is ofcourse The Quran, what else?

Do you mind, are you a born Muslim or converted?

I do not understand what you mean with Muslim? Do you mean born in a sunni/shia country? If so yes I was born in Morocco.

Secondly, where did I say I refute the whole argument?

where did I say that you did that? hmm

I'm specifically referring to your statement and the issue of "successor" and "who can succeed Allah".

I will give it a last try.

"Who can succeed Allah?" was a rhetorical question in case you did not understood that.
My whole point in the discussion with drfazl is that Allah has NO khalifa.
230 says He will place a successor on earth, NOT His successor nope BUT A successor yes.
Because 230 and other verses NEVER say MY successor, it is for sure it is not a successor who succeeds Allah, but a successor who succeeds something/one else.
THUS not related to Allah.

InshaAllah it is now also clear for you what I meant.

Peace brother.

Salaam,
Bender

muslims

Salam Bender, handshake

Alhamdullillah, I believe Allah give me enough knowledge to understand what AlAsma AlHusna are.

So what is your definition of "Asma Ul Husna", and which is common to all Muslims understandings?

I've already repeated the same question for many times. nope

If you mean to refute the traditional 99 names, then my reference is ofcourse The Quran, what else?

Where did I say I didn't refer to the traditional 99 names?

Since when Muslims have the "traditional Asma Ul Husna" and "modern Asma Ul Husna"?

You didn't understand after I repeatedly answer your question below? hmm

Quote from Bender on August 26, 2013, 082632 AM
Salaamun alayka,

Do you have a verse for this statement?

Quote from muslims on August 26, 2013, 085851 AM
Not specifically and I'm referring to the asma ul husna.

Quote from muslims on August 26, 2013, 090639 PM
As I said, the "asma ul husna"

Quote from muslims on August 27, 2013, 084844 PM
It is true, the specific words are not in the Qur'an

Please give me a reference to your new version of "Asma Ul Husna".

If so yes I was born in Morocco.

What does "Asma Ul Husna" referred to in Morocco?

Is it not the same 99 names of Allah as Muslims understands today?

"Who can succeed Allah?" was a rhetorical question in case you did not understood that.
My whole point in the discussion with drfazl is that Allah has NO khalifa.
230 says He will place a successor on earth, NOT His successor nope BUT A successor yes.
Because 230 and other verses NEVER say MY successor, it is for sure it is not a successor who succeeds Allah, but a successor who succeeds something/one else.
THUS not related to Allah.

It is weird when you are trying to make a point by comparing Allah with or as equal to human. nope

Secondly, where did I say I refute the whole argument?

I'm specifically referring to your statement and the issue of "successor" and "who can succeed Allah"

Do you understand what is a "successor" in (<a href="http//quran.com/2/30">230</a&gt?

There is no issue who can succeed Allah.

It is not about who can succeed Allah, it is about succeed those who have come before Adam.

I believe the word successor is referring to the following facts, They (angels) said, "Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood" (<a href="http//quran.com/2/30">230</a&gt. Thus, Adam (and his descendants) are part of His creation and which succeeds those who have come before them.

Therefore, what difference does it make to Allah whether it is "a successor" or "My successor"? What's it got to do with to succeed Allah?

Peace brother.

Bender

Salam Bender, handshake

So what is your definition of "Asma Ul Husna",

Salaamun alayka,

My definition of AlAsma AlHusna = The Best Identifiers

In The Quran AlAsma AlHusna is always referring to Allah, for example
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The red word is spoken as "Lahu" and it means something like "To Him belongs". Thus "The Best Identifiers" belong to Him.
Where can we find AlAsma AlHusna that belong to Him?

answer
Allah warns us several times in The Quran that His Guidance is The Guidance (2120).
The Quran is one of the guidance's Allah sent down on us (2185 in combination with 1037).
Wikipedia and Bukarie & Co can not be proven from the verses of The Quran that they are a guidance sent by Allah to us, therefore I dismiss them as a reference in any matter when we talk about the truth. In this case we (you and me) are talking about Allah, therefore I am not allowed to say something about Allah which is not from Him. I fear to spread lies about Allah. Allah warrens me through The Quran not to spread lies about Him. Wikipedia and Bukharie & co are not from Allah but The Quran is. Therefore if you like to talk with me about Allah then please use verses from The Quran to proof your point everything else is of no use for me.

Al3adl does not refer to Allah a single time in The Quran. But it refers to other things besides Allah. So why should I take it an AlAsma AlHusna if it never refers to Allah in the Quran? Is it because Wiki and Bukharie & Co said so?
Both question are rhetorical questions in case of....

This is how I understand it, I think I have answered you more then you asked. And inshaAllah it is now clear to you how I understand AlAsma AlHusna.
If you have a different view on the matter then that is totally ok with me and we will end this discussion as we will never agree handshake

and which is common to all Muslims understandings?

I think the 99 names mentioned on this link is common to all Muslims IF you meant with Muslims the sunni/shia/etc. people.

I've already repeated the same question for many times. nope

No you did not.
I can not read your brains so when you ask me something ask me very clear.
You did not ask me the above questions a single time.

Where did I say I didn't refer to the traditional 99 names?

what is this?
Are we playing a "were did I say that ...?" game?
You are putting again words in my mouth and then ask me a "were did I say that ...?" question.
Please stop it.

Since when Muslims have the "traditional Asma Ul Husna" and "modern Asma Ul Husna"?

I don't know about other Muslims, I can only talk for myself.

You didn't understand after I repeatedly answer your question below? hmm

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Please give me a reference to your new version of "Asma Ul Husna".

A couple of weeks ago I made this thread .
Above the two lines are as per my current understanding AlAsma Alhusna that belong to Him.
Maybe I forgot some, but that is what I could find till now. If you think I missed one then please let me know with a reference to the Quran verse and I will add it inshaAllah, this is not only for you but for everyone who reads this, thx!!!

Also this is how I currently understand, if you have a better version then please let me know and I will be inshaAllah the first one to acknowledge if I can comprehend how you or someone else sees it.

What does "Asma Ul Husna" referred to in Morocco?

see the wiki link above, I believe the majority of Moroccans believe in the Wiki version.

Is it not the same 99 names of Allah as Muslims understands today?

No not how I understand it, Allah showed me a different view.

It is weird when you are trying to make a point by comparing Allah with or as equal to human. nope

What are you talking about?
I do not understand why it is so hard for you to understand what I was saying.

For everyone who is reading this looooong boring post
Is there anyone besides "muslims" who understood what I wrote as "comparing Allah with or as equal to human"?

Therefore, what difference does it make to Allah whether it is "a successor" or "My successor"?

I already gave you in the post before this my view, but you did not understand what I was saying so I think we have to handshake because repeating what I said will not change anything I guess.

What's it got to do with to succeed Allah?

same answer as above, I have nothing to add more.

Peace brother.

salaam,
Bender

ps if you do not mind this was my last post to you on this thread. If you answer, I will read inshaAllah your post, but you have to excuse me for not replying anymore, I am a little bit tired.

muslims

Salam Bender,

It is clear that you know what I'm talking about, but maybe it's just you want to show you are superior than others, without any valid or proper reasons. In fact, I repeatedly told you what I'm referring to.

Salaamun alayka,
Do you have a verse for this statement?

Quote from muslims on August 26, 2013, 085851 AM
Not specifically and I'm referring to the asma ul husna.

Quote from muslims on August 26, 2013, 090639 PM
As I said, the "asma ul husna"

Quote from muslims on August 27, 2013, 084844 PM
It is true, the specific words are not in the Qur'an

and when I asked you ... whether you understand what I means with Asma Ul Husna

So what is your definition of "Asma Ul Husna", and which is common to all Muslims understandings?

What does "Asma Ul Husna" referred to in Morocco?

Is it not the same 99 names of Allah as Muslims understands today?

here is your answer...

I think the 99 names mentioned on this link is common to all Muslims IF you meant with Muslims the sunni/shia/etc. people.

see the wiki link above, I believe the majority of Moroccans believe in the Wiki version.

It is clear that you just want to be right or want to be superior to others without valid reasons.

Further, who are discussing your definition of Asma Ul Husna? Did I ask you?

and where is the word "AlAsma AlHusna" in the following verse?

Did you really understand what you read?

My definition of AlAsma AlHusna = The Best Identifiers

In The Quran AlAsma AlHusna is always referring to Allah, for example
208
The red word is spoken as "Lahu" and it means something like "To Him belongs". Thus "The Best Identifiers" belong to Him.

According to you, Asma Ul Husna is "To Him belongs" or "The Best Identifiers" ? hmm

"Lahu" is not Allah names, and neither is the "The Best Identifiers".

This is how I understand it, I think I have answered you more then you asked. And inshaAllah it is now clear to you how I understand AlAsma AlHusna.

For everyone who is reading this looooong boring post

handshake

Peace brother.