Non performers of As-Salaat are not true believers
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Salaam brother Ansmeh1998,
Excuse me, I was just using mainstream sectarian terminology. I had hoped that you would understand that I meant compulsory, but do not worry.
I believe that perhaps Muhammad's preference (or whatever his name was, I do not care much about it) was praying in the afternoon and at nightfall and this was later turned into following the prophet's so-called 'sunnah' and made obligatory due to the sectarian belief of robot-like imitation of the prophet.
You talked about the possible non-existence of a man named Muhammad, but that does not concern this discussion and I personally do not care if he was so named Obama or any other name (excuse me for the sarcasm). However, I am sure in my opinion that there was some prophet that delivered the Quran. I place him with the code name Muhammad in lack of better knowledge.
I hope my tone was not too bad. Nothing bad intended.
God bless you
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Salaam Brother Mazhar,
Do you agree or not with the placing of the Prophets in the timeline put forth by brother Hawk99 -
Adam (Adam)
Idris (Enoch)
Nuh (Noah)
Hud (Eber)
Saleh
Ibrahim (Abraham)
Lut (Lot)
Isma'il (Ishmael)
Is-haq (Isaac)
Ya'qub (Jacob)
Yusuf (Joseph)
Ayyub (Job)
Shu'aib (Jethro
Harun (Aaron)
Musa (Moses)
Dawud (David)
Sulayman (Solomon)
Ilyas (Elijah / Elias)
Al-Yasa' (Elisha)
Yunus (Jonah / Jonas)
Dhul-Kifl (Ezekiel
Zakariyya (Zechariah / Zecharias)
Yahya (John the Baptist)
Isa (Jesus)
Muhammad (Praiseworthy)
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Salaam brother Man of Faith,
No issue. May Allah(swt) increase our knowledge!
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Salam brother Mazhar,
Kindly confirm whether the the following chronology (starting from first at the top and last at the bottom) as put forth by brother Hawk99 is correct or not
Adam (Adam)
Idris (Enoch)
Nuh (Noah)
Hud (Eber)
Saleh
Ibrahim (Abraham)
Lut (Lot)
Isma'il (Ishmael)
Is-haq (Isaac)
Ya'qub (Jacob)
Yusuf (Joseph)
Ayyub (Job)
Shu'aib (Jethro
Harun (Aaron)
Musa (Moses)
Dawud (David)
Sulayman (Solomon)
Ilyas (Elijah / Elias)
Al-Yasa' (Elisha)
Yunus (Jonah / Jonas)
Dhul-Kifl (Ezekiel
Zakariyya (Zechariah / Zecharias)
Yahya (John the Baptist)
Isa (Jesus)
Muhammad (Praiseworthy)
In the event the above chronology is not correct, can I request your good self to come out with the correct chronological order of the Prophets mentioned in Quran in the timeline.
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I avoid conjectural guesses.
Oh I see. You mean all the understanding that you arrive at is necessarily informed to you directly from Allah(swt) in the form of Wahi or what? By the way, in one of your posts your good self placed Prophet Idris(PBH) after Prophet(Ibrahim) on what basis - Guess or Wahi?
Any way, be happy with your understanding and style. No offence. handshake
Salaam!
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Oh I see. You mean all the understanding that you arrive at is necessarily informed to you directly from Allah(swt) in the form of Wahi or what? By the way, in one of your posts your good self placed Prophet Idris(PBH) after Prophet(Ibrahim) on what basis - Guess or Wahi?
Any way, be happy with your understanding and style. No offence. handshake
Salaam!
Again read the Ayahs and concentrate on its words and mutual relationships of persons mentioned therein. This does not call Noah alahissalam as the progeny of Idress alahissalam. Don't wander, only reflect on words of Qur'aan.
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Don't wander, only reflect on words of Qur'aan.
Please keep on reflecting with the way that suits your design. Let me wander a little for a while. After all I am not yet Burn Out. Thank you.
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Be always mindful for performing As-Salaat; and just peep in the Hell-Prison to listen its dwellers.
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/00024.%20Salat%20Suad%20Lam%20Waw/25.gif The time bound Protocol of Servitude and Allegiance is the fundamental protocol for non-verbal demonstration of the truthfulness of one's claim of having accepted and become a believer. This is manifestation of belief and key to success and fruitfulness
Be always mindful for performing As-Salaat
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As expected, thanks again.
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Peace,
Allow me to clarify, If a person accepts that there is only one God, but has not reached the
the point of Mu'men, according to 49/14 that person is muslim because of acknowledgement
yet still the journey has begun even though that person
does not make salat, because there is still much to learn, should that person be considered
kafir until they start to perform the salat?God bless
peace
Peace Mazhar, ansmeh1998,
Apparently I still am unable to word my question clearly, so I will try again, first I am not
looking for the definition of Muslim or mu'min. The question has to do with the title of the
thread "Non performers of As-Salaat are not true believers" So here we go again, If a
person has not reached the level of Mu'min, say, because they are a new convert or they
have not reached the level certainty for whatever reason, but is considered Muslim
because they acknowledge that "There is no other god beside GOD" is that person
considered kafir because they do not perform the salat. whew!God bless
peace
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Peace Mazhar, ansmeh1998,
Apparently I still am unable to word my question clearly, so I will try again, first I am not
looking for the definition of Muslim or mu'min. The question has to do with the title of the
thread "Non performers of As-Salaat are not true believers" So here we go again, If a
person has not reached the level of Mu'min, say, because they are a new convert or they
have not reached the level certainty for whatever reason, but is considered Muslim
because they acknowledge that "There is no other god beside GOD" is that person
considered kafir because they do not perform the salat. whew!God bless
peace
I think that person is not kafir, but Salat helps him to remember and strengthen his conviction that there is one God and nothing but God Alone!
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Title of thread " Non performers of As-Salaat are not true believers"
I think that person is not kafir, but Salat helps him to remember and strengthen his conviction that there is one God and nothing but God Alone!
I agree with you, that person should not be considered kafir as the thread seems to be
suggesting because the kafir is one who rejects, while the new person or the underdeveloped
soul may have simply not reached the point of observing the salat ritual due to weakness of
deen. Therefore the title may need some tweaking.God bless
peace
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Salaam hawk99,
I think brother Mazhar implies that many Quran alone Muslims have started to believe there is no frequent salat as in traditional sense and that these people are not true Believers.
God bless you
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Hawk, Salam
Indeed the following of those who identify their selves as Believers have attained perpetual success and fruitfulness
Those who demonstrate solemnity and humble-mindedness in the performance of their As-Salaat time bound Protocol of Servitude and Allegiance;
Believer Whoever pronounces making it public that he believes in Allah the Exalted, Qur'aan, Injeel before it and all the Books of Allah revealed in time line; all the Messengers of Him, the Angels and the Last Day.
They all are not declared successful. The characteristics of those claimants of belief who succeeded are given by Relative Pronoun .
The first element of success is performance of Salat. The successful are the true believers. Others are believers by tongue and lips. Kaafir is one who denies to have faith in aforementioned realities.
See who are truly the believers
Take note; Truly the Believers are only those whose hearts blenched when Allah the Exalted is mentioned;
And when Aa'ya'at the Verbal Passages of the Book of Him Grand Qur'aan are recited to them word by word Each Ayah Unitary Verbal Passage gave them enhancement; the enhancement and conviction of belief.
And they have trust and hope in their Sustainer Lord.
And they steadfastly maintain the Institution of As-sa'laat Time Bound Formal Protocol of demonstrating Servitude and allegiance to Allah the Exalted.Further, they heartily spend part of the worldly resources for other's welfare which We have given to them as sustenance.
The aforementioned are the proven and established believers amongst claimants of belief.
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peace Mazhar,
peace Mazhar,
These comments are with regard to this salat article of yours.
You discuss 2238 and assume there are two salat each side of al salat al wusta - why two? why not 3 each side etc
In 2238 why mention one of the five salat separately according to you, when it is already covered by the plural salawat?
According to you, which salat can be done on the move (2239) "al salat al wusta" or the other "salawat"? And what is your evidence for this.
what is your evidence for "zulaf" meaning "early"?
You repeatedly cite "salat al fajr" and "salat al 3sha" as reference points but you have no reference for the other alleged 3 salat hence refer to them as "this al salat" or "al salat for the point in time of...".etc etc - why does Quran not clarify the reference terms for the alleged other 3 in your view? If it does give the terms, please provide them.
When discussing "salat al fajr" with me you said this is not a name of a "salat" but in your article you state "The other two prescribed al salat are also NAMED by the point in time" (then you reference 245
You seemingly contradict yourself when you say "The remaining two timings for al salat are at two visual transition EDGES of the day which are in the LATER day..." - ask anyone about what the two edges of daytime are and they will never discuss them being later in the day.
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You seemingly have no break in-between some salat.Some of your 5 salat have specific times AND time-ranges whilst others do not - why?
Please continue from where you left, i.e. after Q7.
And if I may add another question how many years have you been reading and studying Quran? A rough figure will do.
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And if I may add another question how many years have you been reading and studying Quran? A rough figure will do.
Brother, irrelevant question. My study is uploaded on site. Please point out omissions for correction. Studying a book of foreign language is merely a skill of translating it; its comprehension is obtaining knowledge from it. I am a skilled laborer possessing complete kit of tools. Time is my contribution.
