Marriage to a Sunni, I need advice

Israfeel

Peace all.
Where is this information? I genuinely would like to know where this has come from? Israfeel could you please give me either a verse from the book of Allah Al Qur'an or one of your Sahih Sittah.

?And give not (your daughters) in marriage to AlMushrikoon till they believe (in Allaah Alone)?

These verses of the Quran make it clear that Muslim women are forbidden from marrying non-Muslim men. Hadith-rejectors are declared as unbelievers and outside the circle of Islam because of their rejection of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. Allah in the Quran says

Say "Obey Allah and His Messenger (peace be upon him) But if they turn back, Allah loves not the disbelievers" (Sura 333)

Since Hadith-rejectors refuse to obey the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) they are disbelievers, and it is forbidden for Believers to marry with them.

Wakas

Israfeel,

Please see the forum rules, especially (2) and (3)
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8177.0

Bold emphasis mine

Hadith-rejectors are declared as unbelievers and outside the circle of Islam because of their rejection of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. Allah in the Quran says

Say "Obey Allah and His Messenger (peace be upon him) But if they turn back, Allah loves not the disbelievers" (Sura 333)

Since Hadith-rejectors refuse to obey the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) they are disbelievers, and it is forbidden for Believers to marry with them.

Please show where in Quran it is declared "hadith-rejectors are unbelievers and outside the circle of Islam"
Please show where forum members (ideally a few of us) clearly state they reject prophet Muhammad.
Please show where forum members (ideally a few of us) clearly state they refuse to obey the Messenger of Allah.

If you cannot, and you need to correct/clarify your statements, then I suggest you do so.

Israfeel

Israfeel,

Please see the forum rules, especially (2) and (3)
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8177.0

Bold emphasis mine

Please show where in Quran it is declared "hadith-rejectors are unbelievers and outside the circle of Islam"
Please show where forum members (ideally a few of us) clearly state they reject prophet Muhammad.
Please show where forum members (ideally a few of us) clearly state they refuse to obey the Messenger of Allah.

If you cannot, and you need to correct/clarify your statements, then I suggest you do so.

Im at work right now. Give me some time when I'm free.

*The short answer is that since Hadith-rejectors reject the authentically reported Hadith of the Prophet peace be upon him, therefore they refuse to obey his sayings and teachings, therefore they are disbelievers from the perspective of orthodox mainstream Sunni Muslims.

hawk99

Im at work right now. Give me some time when I'm free.

*The short answer is that since Hadith-rejectors reject the authentically reported Hadith of the Prophet peace be upon him, therefore they refuse to obey his sayings and teachings, therefore they are disbelievers from the perspective of orthodox mainstream Sunni Muslims.

Your short answer is not from Quran. nope

Israfeel

Your short answer is not from Quran. nope

Why should it be? Quran is not the only revelation from Allah.

diamantinehoneybunch

Im at work right now. Give me some time when I'm free.

*The short answer is that since Hadith-rejectors reject the authentically reported Hadith of the Prophet peace be upon him, therefore they refuse to obey his sayings and teachings, therefore they are disbelievers from the perspective of orthodox mainstream Sunni Muslims.

Salaam,

Verse 425 clearly prohibits having sex with ma malakat aymanukum but some narrations attributed to Muhammad say that Muhammad had sex with Mariyyah his Coptic slave during Hafsa's turn at Hafsa's house.

Regards,
Yuliana

hawk99

Why should it be? Quran is not the only revelation from Allah.

What other revelations are you referring to?

Bender

Im at work right now. Give me some time when I'm free.

*The short answer is that since Hadith-rejectors reject the authentically reported Hadith of the Prophet peace be upon him, therefore they refuse to obey his sayings and teachings, therefore they are disbelievers from the perspective of orthodox mainstream Sunni Muslims.

Salaamun alayka,

RED thank you, that is a nice an honest answer.

Can you answer me these 3 questions please

Who is going to judge you and me?
A) Allah
B) orthodox mainstream Sunni Muslims

Who is going to judge the orthodox mainstream Sunni Muslims?
A) Allah
B) themselves

What is the ONLY judgement that counts?
A) Allah's judgement
B) orthodox mainstream Sunni Muslims judgement

Salaam,
Bender

Noon_waalqalami

?And give not (your daughters) in marriage to AlMushrikoon till they believe (in Allaah Alone)?

Peace,

Translation posted is horrid; there's no "give" or "daughters" in verse and address is to males and females.

2221 and not marry yeh the idolaters (f/p) until believes and surely handmaiden believer (f/s) better from idolatress and supposing like her you and not marry yeh the idolaters (m/p) until believe they and servant (m/s) believer better from idolater and supposing liked you him surely those calling to the fire and the god invites to the garden/paradise and the forgiveness by permission his and makes clear signs his to the humankind perhaps they those remembering

Israfeel

Salaam,

Verse 425 clearly prohibits having sex with ma malakat aymanukum but some narrations attributed to Muhammad say that Muhammad had sex with Mariyyah his Coptic slave during Hafsa's turn at Hafsa's house.

Regards,
Yuliana

If only you read the Quran you would have seen this verse

O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses (3350)

and

It is not lawful for thee (to marry more) women after this, nor to change them for (other) wives, even though their beauty attract thee, except any thy right hand should possess (3352)

and

And those who guard their chastity. Except with their wives and whom their right hands possess,- for (then) they are not to be blamed, (7030)

Also, 425 never prohibits having sex with right-hand possessions, on the contrary it says

If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess

See how Hadith-rejecters even lie about the Quran?? God forbid

Israfeel

Peace,

Translation posted is horrid; there's no "give" or "daughters" in verse and address is to males and females.

2221 and not marry yeh the idolaters (f/p) until believes and surely handmaiden believer (f/s) better from idolatress and supposing like her you and not marry yeh the idolaters (m/p) until believe they and servant (m/s) believer better from idolater and supposing liked you him surely those calling to the fire and the god invites to the garden/paradise and the forgiveness by permission his and makes clear signs his to the humankind perhaps they those remembering

You call the widespread published academic translation I posted as "horrid", but your own personal internet translation is so jumbled and confused that I have no idea what it says or means. What irony!

Before you decide to start translating the Quran into English, at least study basic English grammar LOL

diamantinehoneybunch

If only you read the Quran you would have is verse

O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses (3350)

and

It is not lawful for thee (to marry more) women after this, nor to change them for (other) wives, even though their beauty attract thee, except any thy right hand should possess (3352)

and

And those who guard their chastity. Except with their wives and whom their right hands possess,- for (then) they are not to be blamed, (7030)

Also, 425 never prohibits having sex with right-hand possessions, on the contrary it says

If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess

See how Hadith-rejecters even lie about the Quran?? God forbid

Lie about Quran?
Are you out of your mind?

It is proven in verse 425 that God prohibits having sex with ma malakat aymanukum / women whom the men's right hnd posses.
What I meant by the post was nowhere in the Qur'an did it say men are allowed to commit illegal sex with their right hand possess (sorry I forgot to say women whom their right hand possess whom are not married to them).

Are you saying that men are allowed to have sex with their slaves, servants, maidens and whom their right hand possess without even marrying them?

I have never said that men are not allowed to marry ma malakat aymanukum. You misunderstood my post.
SIGH

Israfeel

Lie about Quran?
Are you out of your mind?

It is proven in verse 425 that God prohibits having sex with ma malakat aymanukum / women whom the men's right hnd posses.
What I meant by the post was nowhere in the Qur'an did it say men are allowed to commit illegal sex with their right hand possess (sorry I forgot to say women whom their right hand possess whom are not married to them).

Are you saying that men are allowed to have sex with their slaves, servants, maidens and whom their right hand possess without even marrying them?

I have never said that men are not allowed to marry ma malakat aymanukum. You misunderstood my post.
SIGH

So what is the difference between an ordinary wife and "ma malakat aymanukum" ??

Looking forward to your enlightening answer

diamantinehoneybunch

So what is the difference between an ordinary wife and "ma malakat aymanukum" ??

Looking forward to your enlightening answer

All ma malakat aymanukum are ordinary wives?
Then why are some verses say to MARRY ma malakat aymanukum if they are already wives?

Noon_waalqalami

You call the widespread published academic translation I posted as "horrid", but your own personal internet translation is so jumbled and confused that I have no idea what it says or means. What irony!

Before you decide to start translating the Quran into English, at least study basic English grammar LOL

Widespread by and for the ignorant!

2221
And not marry you the idolater females until believe...
And not marry you the idolater males until believe they.

Why can?t you comprehend basic stuff?