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(4:59) What is the true meaning of Ulil-Amri?

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    salaam+

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    Truly ALLAAH chose Aadam (Adam) and Nuwh (Noah) and the Family (aal) of 'IbraaHiym (Abraham) and the Family (aal) of "Imraan above the "aalamiyn (worlds/ peoples).

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    Offspring/ Descendants/Progeny (dhurriyyatun), one of the other, and ALLAAH is Hearing, Knowing.

    I will begin by the most basic questions asked by humanity since they began to ask such fundamental questions.
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    Since man became a wondering being he has wondered about the world around him and his place in it.
    ?Who am I??
    ?Where did I come from??
    ?What is this world??
    ?Where did it come from??
    ?Was it always here? Did it have a creator? Did it come into existence all by itself??
    ?What is the meaning of it all??

    By about 1400 years ago or 632 ACE (AD) man had many written and unwritten ideas about the world and how it came into being. Among them were Books of those called Prophets and Books of those called Philosophers.
    Among the books of prophets there were;

    The Baghavad Ghita of Sangjaya (one version about 6000 years ago or 4000 BCE)

    The Torah of Moses (about 3300 years ago or 1300 BCE)

    The Psalms of David (about 3000 years ago or 1000 BCE)

    The Gospel of Jesus (about 2000 years ago or 30 ACE)

    The Qur'aan of Muhammad (about 1400 years ago or 632 ACE)

    (The peace and mercy and distinguishing and salutations upon all of them respectively)

    What I write below we can call - for the sake of not imposing my views - my views of the creation of man on earth.
    The purpose of all these Books was to show that the Universe had an Originator who originated it and that besides Him there were no other Originators. The purpose of these Books were also to show that the Originator had rules to obey for the proper functioning of His creation that he had originated - animate as well as inanimate. The breaking of these rules would warrant eventual punishment from Him at an appointed judgement and the obedience of these rules would merit remuneration from Him at an appointed judgement.

    After the Originator of the creation had set in motion the evolution of intelligent life (human beings) on Earth over a long period of time, He created by direct creation another human being called Aadam which simply means Man ('insaan) about 6000 years ago.
    This man Aadam was placed within the rest of the human species like "iysaa (Jesus) was placed within the human species -the one by direct creation via earth material without both a father and a mother and the other by direct origination within the womb of a mother and without the normal process of a father. Both Aadam and "Iysaa had no real differences to the other human beings other than that they were created in their own unique ways. Aadam's descendants eventually 'intermarried' with the rest of the evolutionary humans.

    It was to Aadam that ALLAAH taught the Book (al-kitaab) that enabled him to surpass all the creation, including all the Angels, in knowledge and wisdom. Aadam was also the one that ALLAAH created to be His representative (al-khaliyfaH) on the Earth - the possessor of the command (al-'amr). This was the Trust (al-'amaanaH) from ALLAAH to Aadam that he must pass on to the specific line of his descendants -the possessors of the command ('uwlu-l-'amr) - generation after generation without intermission until the end at the arrival of the son of man (ibn Aadam) and his universal sacrifice.

    Aadam also had a vicious enemy ('ibliys and his descendants) who was bent on destroying him and his entire line of descendants who would possess the Book (al-kitaab). To ibliys ALLAAH gave the freedom, under conditions, not only to mislead most of humanity but also inspired them to rise up against and ridicule the possessors of the command ('uwlu-l-'amr) - the inheritors of the Book (al-kitaab).

    Aadam had many sons and daughters and their descendants and he lived among them for over nine-hundred years before he died. At that time they (al-naas) formed one humanity or one people or a single nation ('ummaH waahidaH).

    About one thousand and fifty years after Aadam, Nuwh was born. He was the ninth descendant of Aadam and he lived among his people for another one thousand years minus fifty until the birth of his ninth descendant 'ibraaHiym almost exactly two thousand years after the creation of Aadam.

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    Truly ALLAAH chose Aadam (Adam) and Nuwh (Noah) and the Family (aal) of 'IbraaHiym (Abraham) and the Family (aal) of "Imraan above the "aalamiyn (worlds/ peoples).

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    Offspring/ Descendants/Progeny (dhurriyyatun), one of the other, and ALLAAH is Hearing, Knowing.

    The sending of the Book (al_kitaab) to Humanity.

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    Humanity was one people
    and ALLAAH sent Messengers giving good news and warning and with them He sent
    the Book (al_kitaab) in the Truth
    to judge between the people in matters wherein they differed.

    The Family and The Followers of The Book ( 'ahl_ul_kitaab)
    The Family of The Book ('ahl_ul_kitaab)

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    But We had already given the Family of Abraham ("ibraaHiym)
    the Book (al_kitaab)
    and
    the Wisdom
    and conferred upon them a Great Kingdom.

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    Thus did We show Abraham
    the Kingdom of the Heavens and the Earth
    that he might be of those who are certain.

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    And that was the argument which We gave to Abraham against his people.
    We raise in steps whom We will. Truly thy Lord is Wise, Knowing.

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    We gave him
    Isaac ('is-haaq) and Jacob (ya"quwb)
    all We guided
    --- and Noah (nuwh) We guided before ---
    and among his progeny
    David (daawud) and Soloman (sulaymaan) and Job ('ayyuwb) and Moses (muwsaa) and Aaron (Haaruwn)
    Thus do We reward those who do good.

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    And Zachariah (zakariyyah) and John (yahyaa) and Jesus ("iysaa) and Elijah ('ilyaas)
    All in the ranks of The Good

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    And Ishmael ('ismaa"iyl) and Elisha('ilyasa) and Jonas (yuwnus) and Lot (luwT)
    And to all We gave favour above The Worlds.

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    And from their fathers and their progeny and their brothers
    We chose them and We guided them to a Straight Road.

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    That is the Guidance of ALLAAH.
    He guides by it whom He wills from among His servants.
    And if they had associated partners with Him
    lo! Useless is that which they have worked.

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    Those were they unto whom we gave
    the Book (al_kitaab)
    and
    the Judgeship (al_hukm)
    and
    the Prophethood (an_nubuwwah)...


    1
    The First Coming in written form of The Book (al_kitaab).
    ALLAAH sends Moses (muwsaa)(P+) and with him he sends The Book (al_kitaab) via The Torah (al_tawrah).

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    And We had already given Moses The Book (al_kitaab)
    after We had detroyed the first generations
    mental perceptions and visions for humanity
    and
    Guidance and Mercy
    in order for them to think of and bear in mind.

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    And We gave Moses The Book (al_kitaab)
    and made it a Guide to The Sons of Israel,
    "do not take without Me any guiding representative."

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    And We had already given Moses The Book (al_kitaab)
    in order that they might be rightly guided.

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    And We had already given Moses The Guidance
    and We made The Sons of Israel to inherit The Book (al_kitaab).

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    And We appointed from among them Imaams guiding by Our Command
    when they steadfastly endured and were absolutely certain in Our Signs (aayaat).

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    And We had already given Moses The Book (al_kitaab) but disputes arose therein
    and had it not been for a word that preceded from thy Lord
    judgement would have been pronounced between them
    but they are in an uncertainty from it arousing doubt.

    The Followers of The Book ( 'ahl_ul_kitaab)
    The followers are all those who have been cut off from the Family Tree of Abraham
    as well as all the other peoples who have submitted to and believed in his religion after The Torah.
    e.g The Jews.

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    Truly We have revealed The Torah (al_tawrah) wherein is Guidance and Light.
    By It the Prophets who have submitted have judged
    those who have been Jews
    and
    those in the Divine Rabbinical Service
    and
    the Learned Scribes
    on what they have preserved from The Book (al_kitaab).
    And they were witnesses over it.

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    And they did not become divided except until after The Knowledge had come to them
    through desire and mutual infringement.
    And had it not been for a word that preceded from thy Lord for a delayed term
    judgement would have been pronounced between them.
    And truly those who have inherited The Book (al_kitaab) thereafter are in an uncertainty from it; arousing doubt.

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    And when ALLAAH took a covenant from those who have had The Book (al_kitaab)
    to make it known and not to hide it
    but they discarded it behind their backs and bought with it some miserable gain!
    And Vile was the bargain they made.

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    The Second Coming in written form of The Book (al_kitaab).
    ALLAAH sends Jesus ("iysaa)(D+) and with him He sends The Book (al_kitaab)via The Gospel (al_'injiyl).

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    And behold! The Angels said,
    "O Mary! ALLAAH gives thee good news of a Word from Him.
    His name is The Christ Jesus , The Son of Mary, distinguished in this world and the hereafter.

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    "He shall speak to the people in the cradle and middle age"

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    She said "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me?"
    He said "Like that it is to thee; ALLAAH creates what He wills.
    When He has executed a command and then He just says to it BE! And then it becomes.

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    And ALLAAH will teach him
    The Book (al_kitaab)
    and
    The Wisdom (al_hikmah)
    and
    The Torah (al_tawrah)
    and
    The Gospel (al_'injiyl)

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    And in their footsteps We sent Jesus (D+), the Son of Mary (s+) confirming what is between His Hands from The Torah.
    And We sent him The Gospel wherein is Guidance and Light
    and confirming what is between His Hands from The Torah
    a Guidance and an Admonition to those who fear ALLAAH.

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    If they had abided by the Torah and the Gospel
    and what has been revealed to them from their Lord
    they would have been nourished from above them and from beneath their feet.
    Among them are a rightly guided-directed people but many of them; bad is what they do.

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    And from among those who said, "truly we are Christian"
    We did take their Covenant but they forgot a good part of what they were reminded of.
    And so We brought among them antagonism and hatred until the Day of Resurrection.
    And ALLAAH will inform them in what it was they have done.

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    The Third Coming in written form of The Book (al_kitaab).
    ALLAAH sends Muhammad(S+) and with him He sends The Book (al_kitaab) via The Qur'aan (al_qur'aan).

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    Oh! You who have believed!
    Believe in ALLAAH and His Messenger
    and
    The Book (al_kitaab) which He has sent His Messenger
    and
    The Book (al_kitaab) which He has sent aforetime.
    And who rejects ALLAAH, His Angels, His Books, His Messengers, and the Day of Judgement
    has lost his way; a distant straying.


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    And then We gave Moses (P+) The Book (al_kitaab)
    a total completion upon those who are more excellent
    and
    a complete detailed explanation of everything
    as well as
    a Guide and a Mercy
    in order that they might believe in the meeting with their Lord.


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    And this is a Book which We have revealed as a blessing so follow it
    and work towards perfect righteousness in order that you may receive mercy.

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    Lest you should say,
    "The Book (al_kitaab) was sent down to Two Peoples before us
    and that we were upon their studies truly unaware.

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    Or lest you should say,
    "If the Book (al_kitaab) had been sent down to us, we would have been better guided than them."
    And so there has come to you an indisputable evidence from your Lord
    and a Guide and a Mercy.
    And who can be more unjustly wrong than one who denies the Signs (al_aayaat) of ALLAAH
    and turns away from them.
    We shall reward those who turn away from Our Signs with the calamity of punishment
    for their having turned away.

    We do tell unto thee the best of stories in what We reveal to thee of This Qur?aan
    and thou was before this from among the unaware.

    Truly this Qur?aan guides to that which is most upright
    and gives the good news to the believers who do the good works.
    Truly for them is a great reward.

    High above is ALLAAH, The King, The Truth!
    Be thou not in a hurry with The Qur?aan before it?s revelation to thee is completed but say,
    ?my Lord! increase me in Knowledge?

    And it was not that This Qur?aan
    could have been contrived by other than ALLAAH.
    But it is a confirmation of What is between His Hands
    and
    a detailed explanation of The Book (al_kitaab) wherein there is no doubt
    from The Lord of the Worlds.

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    And truly it is a Noble Qur?aan
    in a Hidden Book.
    None touches it except the Purified Ones;
    a revelation from the Lord of the Worlds.

    Recite what is revealed to thee from The Book (al_kitaab)
    and establish the Regular Praising Prayer.
    Truly the Regular Praising Prayer restrains from the Abominable Bad Deeds
    as well as the Reprehensible Action.
    And truly the Remembrance of ALLAAH is Greater.
    And ALLAAH knows what you are doing.

    And dispute you not with The People of The Book (al_kitaab)
    except in which it is better
    -except with those who do wrong among them -
    but say, "We believe in the Revelation which has come down to us and in that which has come down to you.
    Our God and your God is One.
    And it is to Him We submit.

    And like that We have sent down to thee The Book (al_kitaab).
    And so those to whom we have given The Book (al_kitaab) believe therein
    as also do some of these
    and none rejects Our Signs (al-aayaat) except the Ungrateful Unbelievers.

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    Truly ALLAAH chose Aadam (Adam) and Nuwh (Noah) and the Family (aal) of 'IbraaHiym (Abraham) and the Family (aal) of "Imraan above the "aalamiyn (worlds/ peoples).

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    Offspring/ Descendants/Progeny (dhurriyyatun), one of the other, and ALLAAH is Hearing, Knowing.

    Upon further investigation it will be found that the Book (al-kitaab) is in the brains of the possessors of the command ('uwlu-l-'amr)

    +salaam

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      O those/you who proclaim to have accepted-become believers, pay attention;
      You people listen and wholeheartedly accept the Word of Allah the Exalted and listen and accept the Word of the Messenger Grand Qur'aan;
      And accept the word-promulgations of the holders of authority administering the affairs in society.
      Thereat, if you mutually wrangled with men of authority-rulers in some matter; thereby, you are directed to resolve it by reverting to the word of Allah the Exalted and the Messenger evaluate and decide according to dictate of Grand Qur'aan; if you people have truly been believing in Allah the Exalted and the Last Day.
      This is the best course; and in ultimate analysis-outcome it is most appropriate and balanced.

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        salaam+ al-amiyr,

        Thank you for the explanation and that can also be true, but it is not a requirement.

        But those firm in knowledge say
        "We believe in it
        All is from our Lord."
        And no one will be reminded <- the reminder -> "..no one knows its interpretation.."
        except those of understanding
        (<a href="http//quran.com/3/7">37</a&gt

        Allah does not charge a soul except its capacity
        (<a href="http//quran.com/2/286">2286</a&gt

        Therefore, it is reasonable not to make it obvious for some things that were meant to be hidden, know that the Master of Wisdom was privy to such exalted knowledge than they could attain from the Qur'an. Human life is a process.

        And you become three kinds
        (<a href="http//quran.com/56/7">567</a&gt

        I'm also unable to understand the connectivity of (459) with your conclusion that "the Book (al-kitaab) is in the brains of the possessors of the command ('uwlu-l-'amr)".

        Peace brother.

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          Salam,
          O you who believe, obey God and obey the messenger and those in authority

          Why Allah did not say Obey the Prophet. It means Messengers keeps coming till Last day

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            salaam+ al-amiyr,

            Thank you for the explanation and that can also be true, but it is not a requirement.

            But those firm in knowledge say
            "We believe in it
            All is from our Lord."
            And no one will be reminded <- the reminder -> "..no one knows its interpretation.."
            except those of understanding
            (<a href="http//quran.com/3/7">37</a&gt

            Allah does not charge a soul except its capacity
            (<a href="http//quran.com/2/286">2286</a&gt

            Therefore, it is reasonable not to make it obvious for some things that were meant to be hidden, know that the Master of Wisdom was privy to such exalted knowledge than they could attain from the Qur'an. Human life is a process.

            And you become three kinds
            (<a href="http//quran.com/56/7">567</a&gt

            I'm also unable to understand the connectivity of (459) with your conclusion that "the Book (al-kitaab) is in the brains of the possessors of the command ('uwlu-l-'amr)".

            Peace brother.

            +salaam muslims

            Before I can answer we first need to determine what the Book (al-kitaab) is or means. Could you with your normally beautiful layout present your understanding inshaa ALLAAH so that we can see if we are standing on solid grounds where upon to erect superstructures.

            Sincere Peace brother

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              +salaam muslims

              Before I can answer we first need to determine what the Book (al-kitaab) is or means. Could you with your normally beautiful layout present your understanding inshaa ALLAAH so that we can see if we are standing on solid grounds where upon to erect superstructures.

              Sincere Peace brother

              +salaam al-amiyr,

              I'm following a simple rule.

              no one knows its interpretation (<a href="http//quran.com/3/7">37</a&gt

              and ...

              We believe in it
              All is from our Lord <- including your Hidden Book, or any other Books.
              (<a href="http//quran.com/3/7">37</a&gt

              and ...

              Free ourselves from Shirk, observe the "DO NOT" prohibition and work towards human unity.

              Everything else, leave it to Allah.

              However, you are free to explain since I'm open to all kinds of knowledge, good or bad, anything ... or should I say

              X-X-X-X, X-- -X- XX-- X- -XXX--X X-XX- -'X -X-X X- -XX X-XXX -X XX-XX-XX-, X--X -X X-X, -XXXX-XX.
              (sorry, it is not verbs)

              So...

              1. What is the Book (al-kitaab)?

              2. Why it is so important for the Deen of Islam, for our salvation?

              Peace brother.

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                +salaam al-amiyr,

                I'm following a simple rule.

                no one knows its interpretation (<a href="http//quran.com/3/7">37</a&gt

                and ...

                We believe in it
                All is from our Lord <- including your Hidden Book, or any other Books.
                (<a href="http//quran.com/3/7">37</a&gt

                and ...

                Free ourselves from Shirk, observe the "DO NOT" prohibition and towards human unity.

                Everything else, leave it to Allah.

                However, you are free to explain since I'm open to all kinds of knowledge, good or bad, anything ... or should I say

                X-X-X-X, X-- -X- XX-- X- -XXX--X X-XX- -'X -X-X X- -XX X-XXX -X XX-XX-XX-, X--X -X X-X, -XXXX-XX.
                (sorry, it is not verbs)

                So...

                1. What is the Book (al-kitaab)?

                2. Why it is so important for the Deen of Islam, for our salvation?

                Peace brother.

                +salaam muslims

                Could you explain,

                X-X-X-X, X-- -X- XX-- X- -XXX--X X-XX- -'X -X-X X- -XX X-XXX -X XX-XX-XX-, X--X -X X-X, -XXXX-XX.
                (sorry, it is not verbs)

                Who said that they are verbs? And why did you post those eXes and dashes? )

                Peace brother

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                  +salaam muslims

                  Could you explain,

                  Who said that they are verbs? And why did you post those eXes and dashes? )

                  Peace brother

                  +salaam al-amiyr

                  It is just my quick observation on your teaching and have not understood all the rules.

                  I believe you are trying to identify the pattern of languages (signs in sounds and languages) and trying to explain the Qur'an by connecting its meanings with all these signs. Sounds and waves is an energy, so as dzikir or Kun Faya Kun. Maybe this is the reason why you've called it Hidden (understanding).

                  Peace brother.

                  However, you are free to explain since I'm open to all kinds of knowledge, good or bad, anything = X-X-X-X, X-- -X- XX-- X- -XXX--X X-XX- -'X -X-X X- -XX X-XXX -X XX-XX-XX-, X--X -X X-X, -XXXX-XX.

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                    +salaam al-amiyr

                    It is just my quick observation on your teaching and have not understood all the rules.

                    I believe you are trying to identify the pattern of languages (signs in sounds and languages) and trying to explain the Qur'an by connecting its meanings with all these signs. Sounds and waves is an energy, so as dzikir or Kun Faya Kun. Maybe this is the reason why you've called it Hidden (understanding).

                    Peace brother.

                    +salaam muslims

                    You said and I quote,

                    +salaam al-amiyr

                    It is just my quick observation on your teaching and have not understood all the rules.

                    It is very important for everyone to understand what someone else has said before commenting as one can make a mistake and say the wrong things about what that person had said. Right or wrong? I myself first read carefully what you have said before commenting.

                    I believe you are trying to identify the pattern of languages (signs in sounds and languages)

                    No! That is not what I am presenting here! )

                    and trying to explain the Qur'an by connecting its meanings with all these signs. (understanding).

                    No! Also not what I am trying to do )

                    Maybe this is the reason why you've called it Hidden (understanding).

                    No! Also nothing to do with the Book (al-kitaab) spoken of by ALLAAH in the Qur'aan )

                    A complete misunderstanding brother and therefore a complete inaccurate understanding of my presentations. I hope you will spend some time reading the thread The Qur'aan Lexicographical Model inshaa ALLAAH.

                    Peace as well brother

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                      After the Originator of the creation had set in motion the evolution of intelligent life (human beings) on Earth over a long period of time, He created by direct creation another human being called Aadam which simply means Man ('insaan) about 6000 years ago.

                      Highlights above are from me.

                      Salaam Dear al-amiyr,

                      Do you believe that Adam is the common progenitor of the whole human race living on Earth today?

                      Peace,
                      Khalil

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                        +salaam muslims

                        You said and I quote,
                        It is very important for everyone to understand what someone else has said before commenting as one can make a mistake and say the wrong things about what that person had said. Right or wrong? I myself first read carefully what you have said before commenting.

                        No! That is not what I am presenting here!

                        No! Also not what I am trying to do

                        No! Also nothing to do with the Book (al-kitaab) spoken of by ALLAAH in the Qur'aan

                        A complete misunderstanding brother and therefore a complete inaccurate understanding of my presentations. I hope you will spend some time reading the thread The Qur'aan Lexicographical Model inshaa ALLAAH.

                        Peace as well brother

                        +salaam al-amiyr

                        Here is your definition

                        What is the Qur?aan Lexicographical Model?
                        The Qur?aan Lexicographical Model is a program of the design, order, and structure of all the words of the Arabic language. Beginning from the layout and forms of the fundamental verbal root letters; their various types; their further extended verbal dimensions; and all their possible derived words visually presented as a model of about a thousand pages arranged vertically and horizontally.

                        The Qur?aan Lexicographical Model
                        is a program <- to identify what? (below)

                        of the design,
                        order,
                        and structure <- how words become structure etc.? sounds...

                        of all the words <- what is words?

                        of the Arabic language <- what is language?

                        Qur?aan + Lexicographical Model

                        What is words?

                        a single distinct meaningful element
                        of speech <- sounds
                        or writing <- then into writing -> pattern -> design -> order -> structure -> Lexicographical Model?
                        used with others (or sometimes alone)
                        to form a sentence
                        and typically shown
                        with a space on either side when written or printed.

                        What is language?

                        the method of
                        human communication
                        either
                        spoken <- sounds
                        or written <- written -> pattern -> design -> order -> structure -> Lexicographical Model?
                        consisting of the use of
                        words
                        in a structured
                        and conventional way.

                        From this "sounds" of Arabic language (which you claimed it as mathematical pattern), you then identify the pattern and its similarities. You then create the design, order, structure, pattern or formula, the 5 verbs tense or 15 verbs tense or whatever your theories are.

                        Origin of languages <- sounds <- I'm here.
                        http//api.ning.com/files/uGCxg7sZSOsBbNwvSUN0m6uFBP5OUvR7e-3lYPcnfzzdki1NKdfBKi*MBEzKhhqFLbCaNgzbOCTwHTwBFp0cz3nyqUP-l7F1/arrowDownSmall.png
                        Arabic language <- you are here

                        I believe you are trying to identify the pattern of languages (signs in sounds and languages)

                        Have I missed something from your definition?

                        Peace brother.

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                          Highlights above are from me.

                          Salaam Dear al-amiyr,

                          Do you believe that Adam is the common progenitor of the whole human race living on Earth today?

                          Peace,
                          Khalil

                          +salaam Dear Khalil

                          No! I understand that Aadam(P+) was a special man ALLAAH had created within humanity on the present earth of the present universe just as Jesus(D+) was a special man ALLAAH had created within humanity on the present earth of the present universe. Every universe had its created Aadam(P+) upon the likeness of the first to continue the remembrance of ALLAAH. Those are just the simple details. But there is no problem if any one wants to understand it the way they understand it. And may ALLAAH guide all to the right understanding inshaa ALLAAH.

                          Peace
                          al-amiyr

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                            +salaam al-amiyr

                            Here is your definition

                            The Qur?aan Lexicographical Model
                            is a program <- to identify what? (below)

                            of the design,
                            order,
                            and structure <- how words become structure etc.? sounds...

                            of all the words <- what is words?

                            of the Arabic language <- what is language?

                            Qur?aan + Lexicographical Model

                            What is words?

                            a single distinct meaningful element
                            of speech <- sounds
                            or writing <- then into written -> pattern -> design -> order -> structure -> Lexicographical Model?
                            used with others (or sometimes alone)
                            to form a sentence
                            and typically shown
                            with a space on either side when written or printed.

                            What is language?

                            the method of
                            human communication
                            either
                            spoken <- sounds
                            or written <- then written -> pattern -> design -> order -> structure -> Lexicographical Model?
                            consisting of the use of
                            words
                            in a structured
                            and conventional way.

                            From this "sounds" of Arabic language (which you claimed it as mathematical pattern), you then identify the pattern and its similarities. You then create the design, order, structure, pattern or formula, the 5 verbs tense or 15 verbs tense or whatever your theories are.

                            Origin of languages <- sounds <- I'm here.
                            http//api.ning.com/files/uGCxg7sZSOsBbNwvSUN0m6uFBP5OUvR7e-3lYPcnfzzdki1NKdfBKi*MBEzKhhqFLbCaNgzbOCTwHTwBFp0cz3nyqUP-l7F1/arrowDownSmall.png
                            Arabic language <- you are here

                            Are sounds a sign from Allah? Of course.

                            Have I missed something from your definition?

                            Peace brother.

                            +salaam muslims

                            You set it out beautifully. Two important remarks! One from your statement. And one from your final question.

                            From your statement and I quote,

                            the 5 verbs tense or 15 verbs tense or whatever your theories are.

                            1- I have never said 5 verb tenses or 15 verb tenses- That do not exist in the Arabic language of the Qur'aan. I said their various types; their further extended verbal dimensions. There is a great difference between the two. Only one who knows nothing of Arabic will say something like that.
                            2.They are not my theories. Ask anyone who has studied Arabic to present the various Arabic verbal roots and there extensions. It is common knowledge.

                            From your statement and I quote,

                            Have I missed something from your definition?

                            My definition addresses the Arabic language only and not other languages as you have stated. I make only comparisons to show the Par Excellence of the Arabic language of the Qur'aan above all else.

                            I would suggest you take a quick explanation from me as to what I am saying inshaa ALLAAH.

                            +salaam
                            al-amiyr

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                              +salaam al-amiyr

                              1- I have never said 5 verb tenses or 15 verb tenses- That do not exist in the Arabic language of the Qur'aan. I said their various types; their further extended verbal dimensions. There is a great difference between the two. Only one who knows nothing of Arabic will say something like that.
                              2.They are not my theories. Ask anyone who has studied Arabic to present the various Arabic verbal roots and there extensions. It is common knowledge.

                              From this "sounds" of Arabic language (which you claimed it as mathematical pattern), you then identify the pattern and its similarities. You then create the design, order, structure, pattern or formula, the 5 verbs tense or 15 verbs tense or whatever your theories are.

                              Okay. I said "You then" create the design ... So, I'm not referring to the Arabic language, but to the following chart; i.e. your extended verbal dimensions.

                              http//www.theholytablemountain.net/lexmod2.png

                              I make only comparisons to show the Par Excellence of the Arabic language of the Qur'aan above all else.

                              You are identifying the pattern for comparison.

                              I believe you are trying to identify the pattern of languages (signs in sounds and languages)

                              I would suggest you take a quick explanation from me as to what I am saying inshaa ALLAAH.

                              you are free to explain since I'm open to all kinds of knowledge, good or bad, anything ...

                              Peace brother.

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                                +salaam al-amiyr

                                Okay. I said "You then" create the design ... So, I'm not referring to the Arabic language, but to the following chart; i.e. your extended verbal dimensions.

                                http//www.theholytablemountain.net/lexmod2.png

                                You are identifying the pattern for comparison.

                                Peace brother.

                                +salaam muslims

                                You finally got it correct until this initial point. Can you explain the following Program to generate all Arabic Root Verbs(The verbs of the language of the Qur'aan)?

                                • what does the X represent?
                                • what do the XX represent?
                                • what do the XX represent?
                                • what does the single dash represent?
                                • what do the -- dash represent?

                                http//www.theholytablemountain.net/lexmod1.png

                                +salaam
                                al-amiyr

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                                  +salaam muslims

                                  You finally got it correct until this initial point. Can you explain the following Program to generate all Arabic Root Verbs(The verbs of the language of the Qur'aan)?

                                  • what does the X represent?
                                  • what do the XX represent?
                                  • what do the XX represent?
                                  • what does the single dash represent?
                                  • what do the -- dash represent?

                                  http//www.theholytablemountain.net/lexmod1.png

                                  +salaam
                                  al-amiyr

                                  +salaam al-amiyr,

                                  It is stated in the Key area/table.

                                  X = b, c, d, f, g, h, j, k, l, m, n, p, q, r, s, t, v, w, x, y, z or 28 letters of arabic alphabet?

                                  XX = double from any of the above

                                  XX = single consonant separated by '

                                  single dash = a, i, u

                                  -- dash = aa, iy, uw
                                  (e)(o)

                                  Peace brother.

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                                    +salaam Dear Khalil

                                    No! I understand that Aadam(P+) was a special man ALLAAH had created within humanity on the present earth of the present universe just as Jesus(D+) was a special man ALLAAH had created within humanity on the present earth of the present universe. Every universe had its created Aadam(P+) upon the likeness of the first to continue the remembrance of ALLAAH. Those are just the simple details. But there is no problem if any one wants to understand it the way they understand it. And may ALLAAH guide all to the right understanding inshaa ALLAAH.

                                    Peace
                                    al-amiyr

                                    So according to you, the majority of humans were forsaken by GOD and only the children of Adam became GOD?s favorites starting ?6000? years ago. He kept sending messengers to them in order to guide them, right? The Qur?aan only addresses the children of Adam and there is no mention of the others at all.

                                    Starting from the first day, the angels were to prostrate before Adam, not to mention the Satan, promising to keep misguiding Adam?s progeny till the Judgment day.

                                    Then, what about the majority (probably more than 90%) of the human population who, according to your calculations, are not of the Adam?s progeny? There is no mention of this majority in The Qur?aan. Have this majority been on their own all this time? What happens to them after they die? Are they going to be resurrected? Are they going to be judged? Maybe they all will get free tickets to enter paradise! Please enlighten us on this petty issue. Believe me; I?m not trying to be sarcastic. I am only appalled.

                                    Peace,
                                    Khalil

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                                      +salaam al-amiyr,

                                      It is stated in the Key area/table.

                                      X = b, c, d, f, g, h, j, k, l, m, n, p, q, r, s, t, v, w, x, y, z.

                                      XX = double from any of the above

                                      XX = single consonant separated by '

                                      single dash = a, i, u

                                      -- dash = aa, iy, uw

                                      Peace brother.

                                      +salaam brother muslims

                                      Excellent! I have already observed some time back that you are quite an intelligent thinker. I consider you among those whose words and advice merits consideration.
                                      I have already taught more than a thousand persons to read the Qur'aan in Arabic. Many who did it in just one week.

                                      I am not sure how much you know of Arabic reading but read the following!


                                      as-salaamu "alaykum

                                      The 19th last chapter of the Qur'aan which contains the first five revealed verses reads at the beginning as follows

                                      iqra' bismi rabbikalladhiy khalaqa
                                      Read/Recite! In the name of thy Lord who created.

                                      I would like to present to all those who would like to learn how to read the Qur'aan in Arabic with a few basic lessons to achieve this easy and desired goal.

                                      Nothing is complicated. If you really learn hard you could nearly achieve the task in 24 hours. Begin to master the Qur'aan yourself and read it in the language in which it was revealed.

                                      Let's begin!

                                      Keep the following in mind. It is the overall statement that covers this lesson that will make you literate in the Arabic language in its unconnected form. The connected form is just a few steps from there. I have taught many to read and write Arabic in just twenty four hours. That is a 95% + plus of any Arabic word. Remember reading and writing not speaking. Learning the language will be for another thread. Inshaa allaah to everything.

                                      The overall statement
                                      The Arabic language of the Qur'aan which is a detailed explanation of the Book (al-kitaab) consists of an alphabet of 28 letters (consonants) plus one special letter called alif; 3 short vowels written above or below the consonantal letters, which can be extended into 3 long vowels using the 3 universal letters alif (a), waaw (W), and yaa? (Y); and two important diphthongs ay and aw. From here the entire structure of the language is build upon a well designed arrangement.

                                      Here is the whole Arabic Alphabet (consonants only). Just have a look at it. In the next post I will present thirteen letters that we shall examine more closely.

                                      Remember to read from right to left.

                                      http//www.theholytablemountain.net/Arabic Alphabet1.png

                                      To be continued inshaa allaah (if ALLAAH - ELOHIYM - GOD had willed.)

                                      Imagine for now that only the following letters exist in the Arabic language. I want to make it easy for understanding The Qur'aan Lexicographical Model (QCM).

                                      http//www.theholytablemountain.net/Ar.Alph.003.png

                                      Use just the English script for the next assignments! b s l m n

                                      In the next and simplified chart you will see only the eXes (x) and the ays (a). Is that correct?

                                      http//www.theholytablemountain.net/lexmod1.3.png

                                      If I said to you replace all the eXes with the letter L and leave the ays then what will you read?

                                      (1)- LaaLa
                                      (2)- LaLLa
                                      (3)- LaLaa
                                      (4)- LaLaLa
                                      (5)- LaLLaLa

                                      Let us have a look.

                                      http//www.theholytablemountain.net/lexmod1.3L.png

                                      If I replaced each X with its own value b s m l then what will be read? I will leave you with that one. Remember first x on top = b, second = s, third = m, and forth = l. All eXes below will correspond with the letter place above.

                                      Fill in your answers as we did above with the L

                                      (1)-
                                      (2)-
                                      (3)-
                                      (4)-
                                      (5)-

                                      looking forward to your answer inshaa ALLAAH.

                                      +salaam
                                      al-amiyr

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                                        Deleted post - sorry, off topic - continue here.

                                        http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604757.msg336497#msg336497

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                                          After the Originator of the creation had set in motion the evolution of intelligent life (human beings) on Earth over a long period of time, He created by direct creation another human being called Adam which simply means Man ('insaan) about 6000 years ago.

                                          Salam Brother ,

                                          http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603845.0

                                          Link above is some of my thoughts posted months ago , I get to the same conclusion that Adam was not the first "Mankind" in the earth but maybe with different analysis , the subject still need more analysis

                                          Appologies for being off topic

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