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  • S Offline
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    Scribbler
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    #225

    Dear brother, Scribbler.

    This is salat.

    May peace be upon you. pr

    Peace be with you, brother.

    Thank you for your kind reply.

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      muslims
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      #226

      To every nation We appointed acts of devotion which they observe (5101)

      Meaning of Salat for each element.

      http//s24.postimg.org/x33e8gyqd/salat.png

      and basically, the objectives of Ibada are as follows

      Fast "..decreed upon you is fasting as it was decreed upon those before you
      that you may become righteous.." (2183)
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      Sadaqah "..Take from their wealth a charity by which you purify them
      and cause them increase.." (9103)
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      Hajj (or else) "..That they may witness benefits for themselves
      and mention the name of Allah.." (222
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      Salat "..prayer prohibits immorality and wrongdoing.." (2945)
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      Shahada Alhamdu lillahi rabbi alAAalameen

      comparison

      The Formula

      It is He who has sent among the unlettered
      a Messenger from themselves

      1. reciting to them His verses and
      2. purifying them and
      3. teaching them the Book
      4. and wisdom
        although they were before in clear error
        (<a href="http//quran.com/62/2">622</a&gt

      Primary importance

      Command War zone Objectives (primary importance)
      (illusion) (reality)
      an acts of -> How -> - become righteous (ourselves)
      devotion to - to purify ourselves
      perform? - witness benefits in ourselves
      etc. - prohibits immorality/wrongdoing in ourselves

      • understanding of reality (ourselves)

      Have we achieved the objectives?

      If not, we are still not performing those "Ibada".

      It is, in fact, not an Ibada (iman and amal, burden of proof).

      For example

      We will know what is the reality, universe and what is Allah. We are able to return our Shahada, and not as hypocrites; ie. those who will not benefit from the Shahada and no matter how many times he may have made that statement during his life.

      Say Shall We inform you of the greatest losers in (their) deeds?

      (These are) they whose labor
      is lost in this world's life
      and they think
      that they are well versed in skill of the work of hands

      These are they who disbelieve
      in the communications of their Lord and His meeting
      so their deeds become null
      and therefore We will not set up a balance for them
      on the day of resurrection.

      Thus it is that their recompense is hell

      because they disbelieved
      and held My communications
      and My messengers
      in mockery
      (<a href="http//quran.com/18/103-106">18103-106</a&gt

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        muslims
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        #227

        He said, "Indeed, with me you will never be able to have patience
        and how can you have patience for what you do not encompass in knowledge?
        (1867-68)

        What does the Qur'an teach?

        Rule Justly Balanced Exception
        (Right) (When being wrong is right)

        Human (?) cause I know that Successor
        corruption which you (Adam & Angels)
        (230) do not know (230)

        Unlawful sexual Marriage Lawful sexual
        intercourse intercourse
        (1732) (1732)

        Cannot kill War/ Can kill
        a person Defense a person
        (532) (22.39)

        Forbidden to eat Emergency Can eat
        swine flesh swine flesh
        (2173) (2173)

        One wife Orphan Multiple wives
        (3350) (43)

        Follow strictly Signs/ Use reasoning
        Allah's words Awwaliyah (822)

        Cannot commit Avoid Can commit
        mischief Mudharat mischief
        (1867-82)

        Cannot commit Just Can commit
        evil evil
        (16125)

        Unity Wrongdoing No unity
        (4213) (3030-32)

        and so on...

        From the above, we can see that the Qur'an teaches us how to balance and achieve justice ..

        It is the "Ihdina assirata almustaqeem" (16); "..and you become three kinds.." (567)

        Why it is about balance and just?

        Because ...

        We cannot change to what is right (just) in the fire element. -> unjust to the air, water and earth.
        We cannot change to what is right (just) in the air element. -> unjust to the fire, water and earth.
        We cannot change to what is right (just) in the water element. -> unjust to the fire, air and earth.
        We cannot change to what is right (just) in the earth element. -> unjust to the fire, air and water.
        We cannot change to what is right (just) in all these elements.
        We cannot change what is wrong (unjust) in all these elements.

        However, we can balance the major and minor "right (just)" in all these elements.
        ie. right 1 + right 2 + right 3 + right 4 and so on...

        For example

        The degree of what is right.

        25% wrong (unjust) -> means 75% right (just)
        50% wrong (unjust) -> means 50% right (just)
        75% wrong (unjust) -> means 25% right (just)
        100% wrong (unjust) -> means 0% right (just)

        http//s11.postimg.org/hq4ht9ic3/humanunity.png

        Can 0% or less than 50% wrong (unjust) be achieved?

        Nope, because all these elements exist in all living creatures.

        It is Sunnatullah, and Allah is The Just, Al-`Adl (&#1604.

        Therefore, our real issue in life is why human are fighting each other and standing for what is right or wrong? (refer here)

        Our real issue in life is why not stand up for human unity, based on what is just and balance?

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        To this then go on inviting <-- Task for Muslims
        and go on steadfastly <- refer to the above sponsorship program - Duty Awareness
        on the right way
        as you are commanded
        and do not follow their low desires <- don't argue with them, focus on unity, peace and harmony
        and say What is a Mushrikeen? (3030-32)

        I believe in what Allah has revealed of the Book
        and I am commanded to do justice between you <-- role as Mediators and Conciliators
        Allah is our Lord and your Lord vs. Provoker & create more divisions
        we shall have our deeds
        and you shall have your deeds
        no plea need there be (now) between us and you <- no argument! ignore right/wrong &
        Allah will gather us together focus on unity, peace and harmony
        and to Him is the return

        (<a href="http//quran.com/42/10-16">4210-16</a&gt

        ..

        A Muslim must now learn how to become Negotiator, Mediator and Conciliator. There is no religion and it is not about to spread Islam, since Islam is not a religion. It is about to spread peace, harmony and unity in the society. It's about benefiting humanity, kindness to His creation and giving to relatives. This is how people from different backgrounds and traditions are able to accept Islam by our Prophet Muhammad pbuh. Unconditional acceptance (respect) of world religious practices and balancing what is just to every living creatures. This is "Din of Islam".

        Follow this rule....

        O mankind, indeed We have created you
        from male and female <- differences - What we can learn from husband & wife relationship?
        and made you peoples How they can build family and unite under one roof?
        and tribes How they balance their differences? Protect each other.
        What about different species of animals? How they live?
        that you may know one another <- unite and learn how to balance our life from others

        Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah
        is the most righteous of you <- justly balanced
        Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted.
        (4913)

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        • Compare with how other religions performing their prayers. Which element?

        Not this rule...

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          Zulf
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          #228

          Peace,
          Just wondered, where do all the graphics and illustrations come from?

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            muslims
            wrote on last edited by
            #229

            Peace,
            Just wondered, where do all the graphics and illustrations come from?

            Salam Zulf

            Self edit image, for easy understanding.

            Peace.

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              muslims
              wrote on last edited by
              #230

              Other forms of Shirk

              The Flow of Ideas

              Basically, Shirk relates to "ideas" that are inconsistent and against the ideas in the Qur'an. It is the "gods and ulamas inside ourselves" that count. Nothing can harm our relationship with Allah if we are not accepting these inconsistent "ideas" (<a href="http//quran.com/5/105">5105</a&gt.

              Consequence Self Acceptance Human Ideas Self Action (Conduct)
              vs. Qur'an Ideas

              No Shirk <- Internal Self <- Consistent <- Prophet Sulaiman build statues
              (Acceptance) Ideas for communication (<a href="http//quran.com/34/10-16">3410-16</a&gt

              Shirk <- Internal Self <- Inconsistent <- Worship Stone as God
              (Acceptance) Ideas

              Shirk <- Internal Self <- Inconsistent <- Worship Fire as God
              (Acceptance) Ideas

              Shirk <- Internal Self <- Inconsistent <- Worship Shiva as God
              (Acceptance) Ideas

              Shirk <- Internal Self <- Inconsistent <- Worship Jesus as God
              (Acceptance) Ideas

              Shirk <- Internal Self <- Inconsistent <- Follow the Ulama (Arbab)
              (Acceptance) Ideas (<a href="http//quran.com/3/150">3150</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/3/64">364</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/17/56-57">1756-57</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/23/47">2347</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/40/29">4029</a&gt
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              Gods & Ulamas (<a href="http//quran.com/45/23">4523</a&gt
              (Personal Adviser)
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              Level for Determination
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              "..Allah has not put for any man two hearts inside his body.." (<a href="http//quran.com/33/4">334</a&gt
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              Heart

              Therefore, the gods and ulamas are within ourselves. It is the "ideas" that are inconsistent with the Qur'anic Ideas.

              Therefore our primary question in life is how far we are able to control the ideas within ourselves?

              For the sake of testing ourselves and to realize the gods and ulamas inside ourselves, try to stop eating, drinking and sleeping for 3 straight days (72 hours). Are we able to achieve this target or we are still hypocrites? This is not suggested by the Qur'an, and only a simple self-test to prove the existence of gods and ulamas inside ourselves. A simple test to realize the flow of ideas within ourselves and how far we are able to control these ideas.

              Do the people think
              that they will be left to say,
              "We believe"
              and they will not be tried?

              But We have certainly tried those before them
              and Allah will surely make evident
              those who are truthful
              and He will surely make evident
              the liars

              Or do those who do evil deeds think they can outrun Us?
              Evil is what they judge
              (<a href="http//quran.com/29/2-4">292-4</a&gt

              "...Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior..." (334)

              It may become a Shirk when we assign the following attributes to any other than Allah.

              Allah Names/Attributes Shirk? (Internal Self / Acceptance)

              1. Allah (The Greatest Name) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              2. Ar-Rahman (The All-Compassionate) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              3. Ar-Rahim (The All-Merciful) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              4. Al-Malik (The Absolute Ruler) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              5. Al-Quddus (The Pure One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              6. As-Salam (The Source of Peace) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              7. Al-Mu'min (The Inspirer of Faith) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              8. Al-Muhaymin (The Guardian) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              9. Al-Aziz (The Victorious) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              10. Al-Jabbar (The Compeller) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              11. Al-Mutakabbir (The Greatest) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              12. Al-Khaliq (The Creator) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              13. Al-Bari' (The Maker of Order) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              14. Al-Musawwir (The Shaper of Beauty) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              15. Al-Ghaffar (The Forgiving) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              16. Al-Qahhar (The Subduer) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              17. Al-Wahhab (The Giver of All) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              18. Ar-Razzaq (The Sustainer) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              19. Al-Fattah (The Opener) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              20. Al-`Alim (The Knower of All) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              21. Al-Qabid (The Constrictor) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              22. Al-Basit (The Reliever) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              23. Al-Khafid (The Abaser) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              24. Ar-Rafi (The Exalter) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              25. Al-Mu'izz (The Bestower of Honors) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              26. Al-Mudhill (The Humiliator) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              27. As-Sami (The Hearer of All) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              28. Al-Basir (The Seer of All) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              29. Al-Hakam (The Judge) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              30. Al-`Adl (The Just) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              31. Al-Latif (The Subtle One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              32. Al-Khabir (The All-Aware) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              33. Al-Halim (The Forbearing) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              34. Al-Azim (The Magnificent) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              35. Al-Ghafur (Forgiver & Hider of Faults) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              36. Ash-Shakur (Rewarder of Thankfulness) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              37. Al-Ali (The Highest) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              38. Al-Kabir (The Greatest) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              39. Al-Hafiz (The Preserver) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              40. Al-Muqit (The Nourisher) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              41. Al-Hasib (The Accounter) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              42. Al-Jalil (The Mighty) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              43. Al-Karim (The Generous) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              44. Ar-Raqib (The Watchful One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              45. Al-Mujib (The Responder to Prayer) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              46. Al-Wasi (The All-Comprehending) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              47. Al-Hakim (The Perfectly Wise) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              48. Al-Wadud (The Loving One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              49. Al-Majid (The Majestic One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              50. Al-Ba'ith (The Resurrector) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              51. Ash-Shahid (The Witness) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              52. Al-Haqq (The Truth) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              53. Al-Wakil (The Trustee) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              54. Al-Qawiyy (The Possessor of All Strength) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              55. Al-Matin (The Forceful One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              56. Al-Waliyy (The Governor) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              57. Al-Hamid (The Praised One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              58. Al-Muhsi (The Appraiser) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              59. Al-Mubdi' (The Originator) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              60. Al-Mu'id (The Restorer) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              61. Al-Muhyi (The Giver of Life) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              62. Al-Mumit (The Taker of Life) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              63. Al-Hayy (The Ever Living One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              64. Al-Qayyum (The Self-Existing One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              65. Al-Wajid (The Finder) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              66. Al-Majid (The Glorious) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              67. Al-Wahid (The One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              68. As-Samad (The Satisfier of All Needs) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              69. Al-Qadir (The All Powerful) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              70. Al-Muqtadir (The Creator of All Power) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              71. Al-Muqaddim (The Expediter) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              72. Al-Mu'akhkhir (The Delayer) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              73. Al-Awwal (The First) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              74. Al-Akhir (The Last) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              75. Az-Zahir (The Manifest One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              76. Al-Batin (The Hidden One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              77. Al-Wali (The Protecting Friend) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              78. Al-Muta'ali (The Supreme One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              79. Al-Barr (The Doer of Good) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              80. At-Tawwab (The Guide to Repentance) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              81. Al-Muntaqim (The Avenger) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              82. Al-'Afuww (The Forgiver) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              83. Ar-Ra'uf (The Clement) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              84. Malik-al-Mulk (The Owner of All) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              85. Dhu-al-Jalal wa-al-Ikram Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                (Lord of Majesty & Bounty)
              86. Al-Muqsit (The Equitable One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              87. Al-Jami' (The Gatherer) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              88. Al-Ghani (The Rich One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              89. Al-Mughni (The Enricher) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              90. Al-Mani' (The Preventer of Harm) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              91. Ad-Darr (The Creator of The Harmful) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              92. An-Nafi' (The Creator of Good) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              93. An-Nur (The Light) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              94. Al-Hadi (The Guide) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              95. Al-Badi (The Originator) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              96. Al-Baqi (The Everlasting One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              97. Al-Warith (The Inheritor of All) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              98. Ar-Rashid (The Righteous Teacher) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
              99. As-Sabur (The Patient One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?

              Primary consequences....

              Indeed, IT IS A NOBLE QURAN
              In a protected Book <- if Allah says it is protected, who can unlock its true understanding?
              None can grasp it
              except those purified (from Shirk) <- the key to understand the true meaning of the Qur'an
              (5677-79)

              Level of understanding the Qur'an - on the standard of justly balanced
              Shirk (%) |<-- 100--> 90 --> 80 --> 70 --> 60 --> 50 --> 40 --> 30 --> 20 --> 10 -->| 0%
              Qur'an (%) |<-- 0 --> 10 --> 20 --> 30 --> 40 --> 50 --> 60 --> 70 --> 80 --> 90 -->| 100%

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                jhonsonmustafa
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                #231

                Other forms of Shirk

                "...Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior..." (334)

                It may become a Shirk when we assign the following attributes to any other than Allah.

                Allah Names/Attributes Shirk? (Internal Self / Acceptance)

                1. Allah (The Greatest Name) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                2. Ar-Rahman (The All-Compassionate) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                3. Ar-Rahim (The All-Merciful) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                4. Al-Malik (The Absolute Ruler) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                5. Al-Quddus (The Pure One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                6. As-Salam (The Source of Peace) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                7. Al-Mu'min (The Inspirer of Faith) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                8. Al-Muhaymin (The Guardian) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                9. Al-Aziz (The Victorious) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                10. Al-Jabbar (The Compeller) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                11. Al-Mutakabbir (The Greatest) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                12. Al-Khaliq (The Creator) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                13. Al-Bari' (The Maker of Order) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                14. Al-Musawwir (The Shaper of Beauty) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                15. Al-Ghaffar (The Forgiving) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                16. Al-Qahhar (The Subduer) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                17. Al-Wahhab (The Giver of All) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                18. Ar-Razzaq (The Sustainer) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                19. Al-Fattah (The Opener) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                20. Al-`Alim (The Knower of All) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                21. Al-Qabid (The Constrictor) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                22. Al-Basit (The Reliever) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                23. Al-Khafid (The Abaser) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                24. Ar-Rafi (The Exalter) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                25. Al-Mu'izz (The Bestower of Honors) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                26. Al-Mudhill (The Humiliator) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                27. As-Sami (The Hearer of All) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                28. Al-Basir (The Seer of All) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                29. Al-Hakam (The Judge) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                30. Al-`Adl (The Just) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                31. Al-Latif (The Subtle One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                32. Al-Khabir (The All-Aware) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                33. Al-Halim (The Forbearing) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                34. Al-Azim (The Magnificent) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                35. Al-Ghafur (Forgiver & Hider of Faults) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                36. Ash-Shakur (Rewarder of Thankfulness) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                37. Al-Ali (The Highest) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                38. Al-Kabir (The Greatest) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                39. Al-Hafiz (The Preserver) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                40. Al-Muqit (The Nourisher) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                41. Al-Hasib (The Accounter) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                42. Al-Jalil (The Mighty) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                43. Al-Karim (The Generous) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                44. Ar-Raqib (The Watchful One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                45. Al-Mujib (The Responder to Prayer) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                46. Al-Wasi (The All-Comprehending) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                47. Al-Hakim (The Perfectly Wise) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                48. Al-Wadud (The Loving One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                49. Al-Majid (The Majestic One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                50. Al-Ba'ith (The Resurrector) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                51. Ash-Shahid (The Witness) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                52. Al-Haqq (The Truth) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                53. Al-Wakil (The Trustee) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                54. Al-Qawiyy (The Possessor of All Strength) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                55. Al-Matin (The Forceful One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                56. Al-Waliyy (The Governor) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                57. Al-Hamid (The Praised One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                58. Al-Muhsi (The Appraiser) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                59. Al-Mubdi' (The Originator) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                60. Al-Mu'id (The Restorer) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                61. Al-Muhyi (The Giver of Life) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                62. Al-Mumit (The Taker of Life) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                63. Al-Hayy (The Ever Living One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                64. Al-Qayyum (The Self-Existing One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                65. Al-Wajid (The Finder) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                66. Al-Majid (The Glorious) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                67. Al-Wahid (The One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                68. As-Samad (The Satisfier of All Needs) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                69. Al-Qadir (The All Powerful) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                70. Al-Muqtadir (The Creator of All Power) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                71. Al-Muqaddim (The Expediter) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                72. Al-Mu'akhkhir (The Delayer) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                73. Al-Awwal (The First) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                74. Al-Akhir (The Last) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                75. Az-Zahir (The Manifest One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                76. Al-Batin (The Hidden One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                77. Al-Wali (The Protecting Friend) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                78. Al-Muta'ali (The Supreme One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                79. Al-Barr (The Doer of Good) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                80. At-Tawwab (The Guide to Repentance) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                81. Al-Muntaqim (The Avenger) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                82. Al-'Afuww (The Forgiver) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                83. Ar-Ra'uf (The Clement) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                84. Malik-al-Mulk (The Owner of All) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                85. Dhu-al-Jalal wa-al-Ikram Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                  (Lord of Majesty & Bounty)
                86. Al-Muqsit (The Equitable One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                87. Al-Jami' (The Gatherer) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                88. Al-Ghani (The Rich One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                89. Al-Mughni (The Enricher) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                90. Al-Mani' (The Preventer of Harm) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                91. Ad-Darr (The Creator of The Harmful) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                92. An-Nafi' (The Creator of Good) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                93. An-Nur (The Light) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                94. Al-Hadi (The Guide) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                95. Al-Badi (The Originator) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                96. Al-Baqi (The Everlasting One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                97. Al-Warith (The Inheritor of All) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                98. Ar-Rashid (The Righteous Teacher) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?
                99. As-Sabur (The Patient One) Assign to human/other living creatures/objects?

                Primary consequences....

                Indeed, IT IS A NOBLE QURAN
                In a protected Book <- if Allah says it is protected, who can unlock its true understanding?
                None can grasp it
                except those purified (from Shirk) <- the key to understand the true meaning of the Qur'an
                (5677-79)

                And it is not the word of a poet
                little do you believe
                Nor the word of a soothsayer
                little do you remember
                a revelation from the Lord of the worlds
                (6941-43)

                Peace Brother,

                Allah's Names by Just 99 Names ?. I think you are referring Hadith

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                  Peace Brother,

                  Allah's Names by Just 99 Names ?. I think you are referring Hadith

                  Salam jhonsonmustafa,

                  Yes brother, for easy understanding and this thread is not related to Asma Ul Husna. You can open a new thread to discuss in depth about the names/attributes of Allah.

                  As for this thread, I'm referring to what is generally accepted by Muslim.

                  It is translated as The Best Identifiers ( 208 )

                  What is "Identifiers"?

                  one that identifies

                  Noun 1. identifier - a symbol that establishes the identity of the one bearing it
                  symbol - an arbitrary sign (written or printed) that has acquired
                  a conventional significance

                  Therefore, must Allah names/attributes be specific?

                  Not necessarily be specific names/attributes, and it is sufficient for us to understand Allah's attributes.

                  Further, there is nothing wrong to refer to a hadith on "the standard of justly balanced" (or refer to other religious books, and so as other books that relates to science, mathematics, philosophy, economy etc.), unless to those who belong to sects or religious dogma, whatever their names are (label/illusion).

                  Peace brother.

                  p/s If you don't mind.. I would like to ask "Whether waiting/hoping for a Messenger or savior to come and save us is a Shirk?" What is your opinion on the matter?

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                    hadith = shirk hypno

                    It's obvious but many fail to see it! nope

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                      hadith = shirk hypno

                      It's obvious but many fail to see it! nope

                      Salam,

                      For religious people.. yes, but I am not religious people, sorry.

                      Just and balance has no religion and it is the Deen of Islam.

                      Further, there is nothing wrong to refer to a hadith on "the standard of justly balanced" (or refer to other religious books, and so as other books that relates to science, mathematics, philosophy, economy etc.), unless to those who belong to sects or religious dogma, whatever their names are (label/illusion).

                      Ibrahim was not a Jew <- Ibrahim has no religion. So as Muhammad, not a Jew/Christian (religion).
                      nor a Christian http//api.ning.com/files/uGCxg7sZSOsBbNwvSUN0m6uFBP5OUvR7e-3lYPcnfzzdki1NKdfBKi*MBEzKhhqFLbCaNgzbOCTwHTwBFp0cz3nyqUP-l7F1/arrowDownSmall.png
                      but he was (an) upright (man) <- showing a great concern for what is right, fair and truthful way
                      a Muslim <- defined by the above ayat - an upright man - obedience and justly balanced.
                      and he was not one of the polytheists <- Concern with right/wrong in religious matters - 3030-32

                      Most surely the nearest of people to Ibrahim
                      are those
                      who followed him
                      and this Prophet
                      and those who believe
                      and Allah is the guardian of the believers
                      (367-6

                      I'm from Malaysia and practicing all faiths that are glorifying just and balance, whether it is from the hadith, other sects or any other religions. Islam rejects the idea of religion and the only way to reject all religions is to accept all religions. Peace!! )

                      peace brother.

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                        Primary consequences....

                        Indeed, IT IS A NOBLE QURAN
                        In a protected Book <- if Allah says it is protected, who can unlock its true understanding?
                        None can grasp it
                        except those purified (from Shirk) <- the key to understand the true meaning of the Qur'an
                        (5677-79)

                        Level of understanding the Qur'an - on the standard of justly balanced <- not on the label of a Muslim.
                        Shirk (%) |<-- 100--> 90 --> 80 --> 70 --> 60 --> 50 --> 40 --> 30 --> 20 --> 10 -->| 0%
                        Qur'an (%) |<-- 0 --> 10 --> 20 --> 30 --> 40 --> 50 --> 60 --> 70 --> 80 --> 90 -->| 100%
                        Obedience (%) |<-- 0 --> 10 --> 20 --> 30 --> 40 --> 50 --> 60 --> 70 --> 80 --> 90 -->| 100%
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                        (334)
                        (4523)
                        (2543)

                        And set forth to them a parable of two men
                        for one of them We made two gardens of grape vines
                        and We surrounded them both with palms
                        and in the midst of them We made cornfields

                        Both these gardens yielded their fruits
                        and failed not aught thereof
                        and We caused a river to gush forth in their midst

                        And he possessed much wealth

                        so he said to his companion, while he disputed with him

                        I have greater wealth than you, and am mightier in followers <- Shirk? This is what most people
                        https//www.google.com/help/hc/images/sites_icon_arrow_up_small.gif would say. Greater wealth,
                        And he entered his garden https//www.google.com/help/hc/images/sites_icon_arrow_up_small.gif knowledge, skills, family etc.
                        while he was unjust to himself, He said <- On the issue of justly balanced within ourselves.
                        I do not think that this will ever perish <- This is also what most people would say.
                        And I do not think the hour will come i.e. not come within the next few hours, days, years etc.
                        and even if I am returned to my Lord <- Same, and most people believe they will be in Paradise.
                        I will most certainly find a returning place better than this Proof that he believe in Allah and the
                        Hour will come, but not in his lifetime.
                        His companion said to him while disputing with him

                        Do you disbelieve in Him <- Shirk?
                        Who created you from dust
                        then from a small seed
                        then He made you a perfect man?

                        But as for me
                        He, Allah, is my Lord
                        and I do not associate anyone with my Lord <- Who is "anyone" in this story context? Self?

                        And wherefore did you not say when you entered your garden
                        It is as Allah has pleased, there is no power save in Allah?
                        If you consider me to be inferior to you in wealth and children
                        Then maybe my Lord will give me what is better than your garden

                        and send on it a thunderbolt from heaven
                        so that it shall become even ground without plant
                        Or its waters should sink down into the ground
                        so that you are unable to find it
                        And his wealth was destroyed
                        so he began to wring his hands
                        for what he had spent on it
                        while it lay, having fallen down upon its roofs, and he said

                        Ah me! would that I had not associated anyone with my Lord
                        And he had no host to help him besides Allah
                        nor could he defend himself

                        Here is protection only Allah's
                        the True One
                        He is best in (the giving of) reward
                        and best in requiting

                        And set forth to them parable of the life of this world
                        like water which We send down from the cloud
                        so the herbage of the earth
                        becomes tangled on account of it
                        then it becomes dry broken into pieces which the winds scatter
                        and Allah is the holder of power over all things

                        Wealth and children are an adornment of the life of this world
                        and the ever-abiding
                        the good works
                        are better with your Lord in reward
                        and better in expectation

                        (1832-4

                        Allah
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                        Reality
                        (Khalif)
                        (Witnessing and understanding 99 attributes of Allah in the Universe)
                        (Only then we will understand what is "Alhamdu lillahi rabbi alAAalameen&quot
                        ( &#1605
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                        Soul
                        http//static1.cargurus.com/gfx/cargurus/inventorylistings/circle_arrow_up_green_small.gif
                        Heart
                        (Language of the Heart)
                        (Understanding of the Qur'an)
                        (requirement = 100% obedience)
                        http//static1.cargurus.com/gfx/cargurus/inventorylistings/circle_arrow_up_green_small.gif
                        Mind
                        http//static1.cargurus.com/gfx/cargurus/inventorylistings/circle_arrow_up_green_small.gif
                        In between
                        (Top Buddhist Monk +/- ??)
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                        Nafs
                        (We are here - nafs-i-ammara )
                        Scientist and Philosopher?
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                        Animal
                        (requirement = 0% obedience)
                        (<a href="http//quran.com/7/176">7176</a&gt

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                          Therefore our primary question in life is how far we are able to control the ideas within ourselves?

                          Shirk in the form of a very fine, the pleasure felt while dzikr, salat or ibada etc, and which motivates us to do more ibada, salat or dzikr etc. It is so because our ibada will not be because of Allah, but because of the excitement performing ibada etc, ie. self. However, this is not necessarily damaging since we will be divided into three groups (567-10). It is just something to be taken into consideration, by those who wish to find the ultimate truth.

                          And the soul and Him Who made it perfect
                          Then He inspired it
                          to understand
                          what is right
                          and wrong for it
                          He will indeed be successful who purifies it
                          And he will indeed fail who corrupts it
                          (917-10)

                          Smart and brilliant people can never know reality and Allah. Because they are too smart.

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                          And rely on Allah
                          and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.
                          Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior.
                          (333-4)

                          Our glass will first need to be emptied and clean.
                          (100% obedience and free from shirk)

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                          Allah is the light of the heavens and the earth
                          a likeness of His light is as a niche in which is a lamp
                          the lamp is in a glass
                          (and) the glass is as it were a brightly shining star
                          lit from a blessed olive-tree
                          neither eastern nor western
                          the oil whereof almost gives light though fire touch it not
                          light upon light
                          Allah guides to His light whom He pleases
                          and Allah sets forth parables for men
                          and Allah is Cognizant of all things
                          (2435)

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                            The key to understand justly balanced is always in the opposite condition (understanding of right and wrong, good or evil etc.), and mostly and mostly attainable at the highest level of condition. For example

                            To understand Ar-Rahman (The All-Compassionate) ...
                            We must fully understand the condition and "pleasure" of being treated harshly; (0).

                            To understand Ar-Rahim (The All-Merciful) ...
                            We must fully understand the condition and "pleasure" of being treated cruelly; (0).

                            To understand Al-`Adl (The Just) ...
                            We must fully understand the condition and "pleasure" of being treated unjustly; (0).

                            and so on..

                            It was a tough one but only through this process our heart (glass) can become empty and we will rely entirely on Allah (no other option). Otherwise, we are relying on ourselves (ego) or others, not Allah.

                            Say He has power to send torment on you <- how Allah guide us to what is just and balance?
                            from above
                            or from under your feet
                            or to cover you with confusion in party strife
                            and make you to taste
                            the violence of one another
                            See how variously We explain the Ayat
                            so that they may understand.
                            (665)

                            Example on the standard required to attain righteousness

                            By no means shall you attain to righteousness
                            until you spend (benevolently)
                            out of what you love
                            and whatever thing you spend
                            Allah surely knows it
                            (392)

                            And they ask you as to what they should spend (sadaqah)
                            Say What you can spare
                            Thus does Allah make clear to you the communications
                            that you may ponder
                            (2219)

                            The recommended method for obedience of the Qur'an is initially through mastering the ibada of fasting (days), sadaqah, reading the Qur'an or dzikr and while doing good to others.

                            This is the Book (the Quran)
                            whereof there is no doubt
                            a guidance to those who are Al-Muttaqun <- The first condition to understand the Qur'an.
                            (22) Other than Al-Muttaqun?

                            Therefore, first objective = becoming Al-Muttaqun

                            Fast "..decreed upon you is fasting as it was decreed upon those before you
                            that you may become righteous.." (2183)
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                            Sadaqah "..Take from their wealth a charity by which you purify them
                            and cause them increase.." (9103)

                            And in no way will you (even) be a guide to the blind out of their errancy
                            decidedly you will not make any to hear
                            except for the ones who believe in Our signs
                            and so they are Muslims (i.e., those that surrender to Allah)
                            (3053)

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                              hadith = shirk hypno

                              It's obvious but many fail to see it! nope

                              Excellent.
                              22 This is the Book. hence all other books other than Quran belongs to dustbin.
                              7750 Then in what statement (by Bukhari Hadith )after the Qur'an will they believe?

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                                Excellent.
                                22 This is the Book. hence all other books other than Quran belongs to dustbin.
                                7750 Then in what statement (by Bukhari Hadith )after the Qur'an will they believe?

                                Salam jhonsonmustafa,

                                I believe you are reading the ayat out of its context and its true meaning.

                                RED Can you please explain verse 7750?

                                This is the Day of Judgement
                                We will have assembled you and the former peoples
                                So if you have a plan, then plan against Me
                                Woe, that Day, to the deniers
                                Indeed, the righteous will be among shades and springs
                                And fruits from whatever they desire
                                , "Eat and drink in satisfaction for what you used to do"
                                Indeed, We thus reward the doers of good.
                                Woe, that Day, to the deniers
                                , eat and enjoy yourselves a little
                                indeed, you are criminals
                                Woe, that Day, to the deniers
                                And when it is said to them, "Bow," (ir'ka) they do not bow
                                Woe, that Day, to the deniers
                                Then in what statement after the Qur'an will they believe? <- relating to those who deny the
                                (7738-50) Day of Judgement? Doing good?

                                ir'ka
                                = Ra-Kaf-Ayn = bowed, bent, incline, humility, humble yourself, lower the head, fell upon his face, stumbled.

                                And I don't understand why are referring to 22.

                                This is the Book about which there is no doubt
                                a guidance for those conscious of Allah
                                (22)

                                Where did Allah say it is shirk to follow what is justly balance?

                                Where did Allah command us to reject signs not in the Qur'an?

                                The risk of reading ayat out of its true meaning or context..

                                Do you covet
                                that they would believe for you
                                while a party of them used to hear the words of Allah
                                and then distort the Torah after they had understood it
                                while they were knowing?
                                (275)

                                Peace brother.

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                                  Salam jhonsonmustafa,

                                  I believe you are reading the ayat out of its context and its true meaning.

                                  RED Can you please explain verse 7750?

                                  This is the Day of Judgement
                                  We will have assembled you and the former peoples
                                  So if you have a plan, then plan against Me
                                  Woe, that Day, to the deniers
                                  Indeed, the righteous will be among shades and springs
                                  And fruits from whatever they desire
                                  , "Eat and drink in satisfaction for what you used to do"
                                  Indeed, We thus reward the doers of good.
                                  Woe, that Day, to the deniers
                                  , eat and enjoy yourselves a little
                                  indeed, you are criminals
                                  Woe, that Day, to the deniers
                                  And when it is said to them, "Bow," they do not bow
                                  Woe, that Day, to the deniers
                                  Then in what statement after the Qur'an will they believe? <- relating to those who deny
                                  (7738-50) the Day of Judgement?

                                  and I don't understand why are referring to 22?

                                  Can you explain?

                                  This is the Book about which there is no doubt
                                  a guidance for those conscious of Allah
                                  (22)

                                  The risk of reading ayat out of its true meaning or context..

                                  Do you covet
                                  that they would believe for you
                                  while a party of them used to hear the words of Allah
                                  and then distort the Torah after they had understood it
                                  while they were knowing?
                                  (275)

                                  Further, where did Allah say it is shirk to follow what is justly balance?

                                  Where did Allah command us to reject signs not in the Qur'an?

                                  Peace brother.

                                  "Setting up partners" is not exclusive to the act of "creation". It's the setting up of partners of ANY kind including partners in source of guidance.

                                  Hadith should be treated like any essay or article here on free-minds. Otherwise, you're risking setting up partners with God.

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                                    "Setting up partners" is not exclusive to the act of "creation". It's the setting up of partners of ANY kind including partners in source of guidance.

                                    Hadith should be treated like any essay or article here on free-minds. Otherwise, you're risking setting up partners with God.

                                    Salam nonplus,

                                    I know and I'm rejecting unjust hadith (refer here).

                                    However, Allah prohibits us to deny what justly balanced (for example, 7738-50 above).

                                    To reject what is justly balanced on sectarian basis, is no difference than to be a sectarian itself.

                                    It is a religion of Islam, and not a deen of Islam.

                                    Therefore, can you give me an ayat that Allah prohibit us to follow what is justly balanced?

                                    Can you give me an ayat where Allah command us to reject signs not in the Qur'an?

                                    Peace brother.

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                                      What does the Qur'an teach?
                                      ...
                                      From the above, we can see that the Qur'an teaches us how to balance and achieve justice ..

                                      Some inconsistent ayats for the religious peoples.

                                      And who believe in what has been revealed to you
                                      and what was revealed before you
                                      and of the Hereafter they are certain
                                      (22)

                                      So is one who upon a clear evidence from his Lord?
                                      And a witness from Him follows it
                                      and before it was the Scripture of Moses to lead and as mercy
                                      Those
                                      believe in the Qur'an <- Condition to be regarded as a believer of the Qur'an
                                      (1718)

                                      Then woe to those
                                      who write the Book with their own hands <- much like the hadith itself
                                      and then say
                                      "This is from God"
                                      to traffic with it for a miserable price!
                                      Woe to them for what their hands do write
                                      and for the gain they make thereby
                                      (279

                                      Follow or not to follow?

                                      And before it was the scripture of Moses to lead
                                      and as a mercy
                                      And this is a confirming Book <- What is a confirming book? Its functions/implications?
                                      in an Arabic tongue
                                      to warn those who have wronged
                                      and as good tidings to the doers of good
                                      (4612)

                                      And We have revealed to you
                                      the Book in truth
                                      confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture
                                      and as a criterion over it <- How do these "Criterion Systems" works? Reject them all together?
                                      So judge between them by what Allah has revealed <- Allah says "judge", evaluate, not rejects.
                                      and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth
                                      To each of you We prescribed a law and a method <- Other rules are also from Allah? Good? Bad?
                                      Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation <- Allah refers to "nation"
                                      but to test you in what He has given you <- What is the test from Allah? Rejection?
                                      so race to good <- Allah considers there is good from another book or sect etc.?
                                      To Allah is your return all together
                                      and He will inform you concerning that over which you used to differ <- Who'll inform? You?
                                      (548) What is our mission?

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                                        Salam nonplus,

                                        I know and I'm rejecting unjust hadith (refer here).

                                        However, Allah prohibits us to deny what justly balanced (for example, 7738-50 above).

                                        To reject what is justly balanced on sectarian basis, is no difference than to be a sectarian itself.

                                        It is a religion of Islam, and not a deen of Islam.

                                        Therefore, can you give me an ayat that Allah prohibit us to follow what is justly balanced?

                                        Can you give me an ayat where Allah command us to reject signs not in the Qur'an?

                                        Peace brother.

                                        hadith != "signs not in the Qur'an"

                                        Furthermore, you seem to attach context to many things and somehow make it not apply to you.

                                        When God asks, rhetorically, "which hadith do you believe in?" It applies to any and everyone, not just the "non believers of judgement day". How quickly you limited the scope of that!

                                        Anyway, I get that I'm new here and this seems to be your thread so I'll refrain from commenting further.

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                                          hadith != "signs not in the Qur'an"

                                          Furthermore, you seem to attach context to many things and somehow make it not apply to you.

                                          When God asks, rhetorically, "which hadith do you believe in?" It applies to any and everyone, not just the "non believers of judgement day". How quickly you limited the scope of that!

                                          Anyway, I get that I'm new here and this seems to be your thread so I'll refrain from commenting further.

                                          Salam nonplus,

                                          Therefore, can you give me an ayat that Allah prohibit us to follow what is justly balanced?
                                          Can you give me an ayat where Allah command us to reject signs not in the Qur'an?

                                          Why can't you answer my simple questions and relying on the fallacy of generalization to make your points?
                                          Do you have ayats to support your conclusion?
                                          Do you really believe in the Qur'an or it is just your assumption?

                                          Furthermore, you seem to attach context to many things and somehow make it not apply to you.

                                          The difference is between the context what is justly balanced and what is not. You are referring to something that might have the element of justly balanced as unjust. You generalized the issue, as what religious people do, a sectarian. Therefore, you need to give me an authority for your conclusion, an ayat from the Qur'an.

                                          hadith != "signs not in the Qur'an"

                                          Have you ever read all the hadith, what is its story?

                                          Is it all unjust and not related to the signs in the Qur'an? (refer here)

                                          Prove it! That everything in a hadith is unjust, and your ibada (salat, fast, zakah, sadaqah, marriage, hajj and even the Qur'an translation etc) is free from any reference to the hadith.

                                          It sounds silly and ridiculous, right?

                                          When God asks, rhetorically, "which hadith do you believe in?" It applies to any and everyone, not just the "non believers of judgement day". How quickly you limited the scope of that!

                                          I already give you my reason and show how one can distort Allah's words to fit their religious purpose.

                                          Do you have ayats to counter my conclusion?

                                          The risk of reading ayat out of its true meaning or context..

                                          Do you covet
                                          that they would believe for you
                                          while a party of them used to hear the words of Allah
                                          and then distort the Torah after they had understood it
                                          while they were knowing?
                                          (275)

                                          Rather, they have denied that which they encompass not in knowledge
                                          and whose interpretation has not yet come to them
                                          Thus did those before them deny
                                          Then observe how was the end of the wrongdoers
                                          (1039)

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