What is Islam?

[muslims]

Peace Brother,

Allah's Names by Just 99 Names ?. I think you are referring Hadith

Salam jhonsonmustafa,

Yes brother, for easy understanding and this thread is not related to Asma Ul Husna. You can open a new thread to discuss in depth about the names/attributes of Allah.

As for this thread, I'm referring to what is generally accepted by Muslim.

It is translated as The Best Identifiers ( 208 )

What is "Identifiers"?

one that identifies

Noun 1. identifier - a symbol that establishes the identity of the one bearing it
symbol - an arbitrary sign (written or printed) that has acquired
a conventional significance

Therefore, must Allah names/attributes be specific?

Not necessarily be specific names/attributes, and it is sufficient for us to understand Allah's attributes.

Further, there is nothing wrong to refer to a hadith on "the standard of justly balanced" (or refer to other religious books, and so as other books that relates to science, mathematics, philosophy, economy etc.), unless to those who belong to sects or religious dogma, whatever their names are (label/illusion).

Peace brother.

p/s If you don't mind.. I would like to ask "Whether waiting/hoping for a Messenger or savior to come and save us is a Shirk?" What is your opinion on the matter?

[nonplus]

hadith = shirk hypno

It's obvious but many fail to see it! nope

[muslims]

hadith = shirk hypno

It's obvious but many fail to see it! nope

Salam,

For religious people.. yes, but I am not religious people, sorry.

Just and balance has no religion and it is the Deen of Islam.

Further, there is nothing wrong to refer to a hadith on "the standard of justly balanced" (or refer to other religious books, and so as other books that relates to science, mathematics, philosophy, economy etc.), unless to those who belong to sects or religious dogma, whatever their names are (label/illusion).

Ibrahim was not a Jew <- Ibrahim has no religion. So as Muhammad, not a Jew/Christian (religion).
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but he was (an) upright (man) <- showing a great concern for what is right, fair and truthful way
a Muslim <- defined by the above ayat - an upright man - obedience and justly balanced.
and he was not one of the polytheists <- Concern with right/wrong in religious matters - 3030-32

Most surely the nearest of people to Ibrahim
are those
who followed him
and this Prophet
and those who believe
and Allah is the guardian of the believers
(367-6

I'm from Malaysia and practicing all faiths that are glorifying just and balance, whether it is from the hadith, other sects or any other religions. Islam rejects the idea of religion and the only way to reject all religions is to accept all religions. Peace!! )

peace brother.

[muslims]

Primary consequences....

Indeed, IT IS A NOBLE QURAN
In a protected Book <- if Allah says it is protected, who can unlock its true understanding?
None can grasp it
except those purified (from Shirk) <- the key to understand the true meaning of the Qur'an
(5677-79)

Level of understanding the Qur'an - on the standard of justly balanced <- not on the label of a Muslim.
Shirk (%) |<-- 100--> 90 --> 80 --> 70 --> 60 --> 50 --> 40 --> 30 --> 20 --> 10 -->| 0%
Qur'an (%) |<-- 0 --> 10 --> 20 --> 30 --> 40 --> 50 --> 60 --> 70 --> 80 --> 90 -->| 100%
Obedience (%) |<-- 0 --> 10 --> 20 --> 30 --> 40 --> 50 --> 60 --> 70 --> 80 --> 90 -->| 100%
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(334)
(4523)
(2543)

And set forth to them a parable of two men
for one of them We made two gardens of grape vines
and We surrounded them both with palms
and in the midst of them We made cornfields

Both these gardens yielded their fruits
and failed not aught thereof
and We caused a river to gush forth in their midst

And he possessed much wealth

so he said to his companion, while he disputed with him

I have greater wealth than you, and am mightier in followers <- Shirk? This is what most people
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And he entered his garden https//www.google.com/help/hc/images/sites_icon_arrow_up_small.gif knowledge, skills, family etc.
while he was unjust to himself, He said <- On the issue of justly balanced within ourselves.
I do not think that this will ever perish <- This is also what most people would say.
And I do not think the hour will come i.e. not come within the next few hours, days, years etc.
and even if I am returned to my Lord <- Same, and most people believe they will be in Paradise.
I will most certainly find a returning place better than this Proof that he believe in Allah and the
Hour will come, but not in his lifetime.
His companion said to him while disputing with him

Do you disbelieve in Him <- Shirk?
Who created you from dust
then from a small seed
then He made you a perfect man?

But as for me
He, Allah, is my Lord
and I do not associate anyone with my Lord <- Who is "anyone" in this story context? Self?

And wherefore did you not say when you entered your garden
It is as Allah has pleased, there is no power save in Allah?
If you consider me to be inferior to you in wealth and children
Then maybe my Lord will give me what is better than your garden

and send on it a thunderbolt from heaven
so that it shall become even ground without plant
Or its waters should sink down into the ground
so that you are unable to find it
And his wealth was destroyed
so he began to wring his hands
for what he had spent on it
while it lay, having fallen down upon its roofs, and he said

Ah me! would that I had not associated anyone with my Lord
And he had no host to help him besides Allah
nor could he defend himself

Here is protection only Allah's
the True One
He is best in (the giving of) reward
and best in requiting

And set forth to them parable of the life of this world
like water which We send down from the cloud
so the herbage of the earth
becomes tangled on account of it
then it becomes dry broken into pieces which the winds scatter
and Allah is the holder of power over all things

Wealth and children are an adornment of the life of this world
and the ever-abiding
the good works
are better with your Lord in reward
and better in expectation

(1832-4

Allah
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Reality
(Khalif)
(Witnessing and understanding 99 attributes of Allah in the Universe)
(Only then we will understand what is "Alhamdu lillahi rabbi alAAalameen&quot
( &#1605
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Soul
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Heart
(Language of the Heart)
(Understanding of the Qur'an)
(requirement = 100% obedience)
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Mind
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In between
(Top Buddhist Monk +/- ??)
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Nafs
(We are here - nafs-i-ammara )
Scientist and Philosopher?
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Animal
(requirement = 0% obedience)
(<a href="http//quran.com/7/176">7176</a&gt

[muslims]

Therefore our primary question in life is how far we are able to control the ideas within ourselves?

Shirk in the form of a very fine, the pleasure felt while dzikr, salat or ibada etc, and which motivates us to do more ibada, salat or dzikr etc. It is so because our ibada will not be because of Allah, but because of the excitement performing ibada etc, ie. self. However, this is not necessarily damaging since we will be divided into three groups (567-10). It is just something to be taken into consideration, by those who wish to find the ultimate truth.

And the soul and Him Who made it perfect
Then He inspired it
to understand
what is right
and wrong for it
He will indeed be successful who purifies it
And he will indeed fail who corrupts it
(917-10)

Smart and brilliant people can never know reality and Allah. Because they are too smart.

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And rely on Allah
and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.
Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior.
(333-4)

Our glass will first need to be emptied and clean.
(100% obedience and free from shirk)

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Allah is the light of the heavens and the earth
a likeness of His light is as a niche in which is a lamp
the lamp is in a glass
(and) the glass is as it were a brightly shining star
lit from a blessed olive-tree
neither eastern nor western
the oil whereof almost gives light though fire touch it not
light upon light
Allah guides to His light whom He pleases
and Allah sets forth parables for men
and Allah is Cognizant of all things
(2435)

[muslims]

The key to understand justly balanced is always in the opposite condition (understanding of right and wrong, good or evil etc.), and mostly and mostly attainable at the highest level of condition. For example

To understand Ar-Rahman (The All-Compassionate) ...
We must fully understand the condition and "pleasure" of being treated harshly; (0).

To understand Ar-Rahim (The All-Merciful) ...
We must fully understand the condition and "pleasure" of being treated cruelly; (0).

To understand Al-`Adl (The Just) ...
We must fully understand the condition and "pleasure" of being treated unjustly; (0).

and so on..

It was a tough one but only through this process our heart (glass) can become empty and we will rely entirely on Allah (no other option). Otherwise, we are relying on ourselves (ego) or others, not Allah.

Say He has power to send torment on you <- how Allah guide us to what is just and balance?
from above
or from under your feet
or to cover you with confusion in party strife
and make you to taste
the violence of one another
See how variously We explain the Ayat
so that they may understand.
(665)

Example on the standard required to attain righteousness

By no means shall you attain to righteousness
until you spend (benevolently)
out of what you love
and whatever thing you spend
Allah surely knows it
(392)

And they ask you as to what they should spend (sadaqah)
Say What you can spare
Thus does Allah make clear to you the communications
that you may ponder
(2219)

The recommended method for obedience of the Qur'an is initially through mastering the ibada of fasting (days), sadaqah, reading the Qur'an or dzikr and while doing good to others.

This is the Book (the Quran)
whereof there is no doubt
a guidance to those who are Al-Muttaqun <- The first condition to understand the Qur'an.
(22) Other than Al-Muttaqun?

Therefore, first objective = becoming Al-Muttaqun

Fast "..decreed upon you is fasting as it was decreed upon those before you
that you may become righteous.." (2183)
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Sadaqah "..Take from their wealth a charity by which you purify them
and cause them increase.." (9103)

And in no way will you (even) be a guide to the blind out of their errancy
decidedly you will not make any to hear
except for the ones who believe in Our signs
and so they are Muslims (i.e., those that surrender to Allah)
(3053)

[jhonsonmustafa]

hadith = shirk hypno

It's obvious but many fail to see it! nope

Excellent.
22 This is the Book. hence all other books other than Quran belongs to dustbin.
7750 Then in what statement (by Bukhari Hadith )after the Qur'an will they believe?

[muslims]

Excellent.
22 This is the Book. hence all other books other than Quran belongs to dustbin.
7750 Then in what statement (by Bukhari Hadith )after the Qur'an will they believe?

Salam jhonsonmustafa,

I believe you are reading the ayat out of its context and its true meaning.

RED Can you please explain verse 7750?

This is the Day of Judgement
We will have assembled you and the former peoples
So if you have a plan, then plan against Me
Woe, that Day, to the deniers
Indeed, the righteous will be among shades and springs
And fruits from whatever they desire
, "Eat and drink in satisfaction for what you used to do"
Indeed, We thus reward the doers of good.
Woe, that Day, to the deniers
, eat and enjoy yourselves a little
indeed, you are criminals
Woe, that Day, to the deniers
And when it is said to them, "Bow," (ir'ka) they do not bow
Woe, that Day, to the deniers
Then in what statement after the Qur'an will they believe? <- relating to those who deny the
(7738-50) Day of Judgement? Doing good?

ir'ka
= Ra-Kaf-Ayn = bowed, bent, incline, humility, humble yourself, lower the head, fell upon his face, stumbled.

And I don't understand why are referring to 22.

This is the Book about which there is no doubt
a guidance for those conscious of Allah
(22)

Where did Allah say it is shirk to follow what is justly balance?

Where did Allah command us to reject signs not in the Qur'an?

The risk of reading ayat out of its true meaning or context..

Do you covet
that they would believe for you
while a party of them used to hear the words of Allah
and then distort the Torah after they had understood it
while they were knowing?
(275)

Peace brother.

[nonplus]

Salam jhonsonmustafa,

I believe you are reading the ayat out of its context and its true meaning.

RED Can you please explain verse 7750?

This is the Day of Judgement
We will have assembled you and the former peoples
So if you have a plan, then plan against Me
Woe, that Day, to the deniers
Indeed, the righteous will be among shades and springs
And fruits from whatever they desire
, "Eat and drink in satisfaction for what you used to do"
Indeed, We thus reward the doers of good.
Woe, that Day, to the deniers
, eat and enjoy yourselves a little
indeed, you are criminals
Woe, that Day, to the deniers
And when it is said to them, "Bow," they do not bow
Woe, that Day, to the deniers
Then in what statement after the Qur'an will they believe? <- relating to those who deny
(7738-50) the Day of Judgement?

and I don't understand why are referring to 22?

Can you explain?

This is the Book about which there is no doubt
a guidance for those conscious of Allah
(22)

The risk of reading ayat out of its true meaning or context..

Do you covet
that they would believe for you
while a party of them used to hear the words of Allah
and then distort the Torah after they had understood it
while they were knowing?
(275)

Further, where did Allah say it is shirk to follow what is justly balance?

Where did Allah command us to reject signs not in the Qur'an?

Peace brother.

"Setting up partners" is not exclusive to the act of "creation". It's the setting up of partners of ANY kind including partners in source of guidance.

Hadith should be treated like any essay or article here on free-minds. Otherwise, you're risking setting up partners with God.

[muslims]

"Setting up partners" is not exclusive to the act of "creation". It's the setting up of partners of ANY kind including partners in source of guidance.

Hadith should be treated like any essay or article here on free-minds. Otherwise, you're risking setting up partners with God.

Salam nonplus,

I know and I'm rejecting unjust hadith (refer here).

However, Allah prohibits us to deny what justly balanced (for example, 7738-50 above).

To reject what is justly balanced on sectarian basis, is no difference than to be a sectarian itself.

It is a religion of Islam, and not a deen of Islam.

Therefore, can you give me an ayat that Allah prohibit us to follow what is justly balanced?

Can you give me an ayat where Allah command us to reject signs not in the Qur'an?

Peace brother.

[muslims]

What does the Qur'an teach?
...
From the above, we can see that the Qur'an teaches us how to balance and achieve justice ..

Some inconsistent ayats for the religious peoples.

And who believe in what has been revealed to you
and what was revealed before you
and of the Hereafter they are certain
(22)

So is one who upon a clear evidence from his Lord?
And a witness from Him follows it
and before it was the Scripture of Moses to lead and as mercy
Those
believe in the Qur'an <- Condition to be regarded as a believer of the Qur'an
(1718)

Then woe to those
who write the Book with their own hands <- much like the hadith itself
and then say
"This is from God"
to traffic with it for a miserable price!
Woe to them for what their hands do write
and for the gain they make thereby
(279

Follow or not to follow?

And before it was the scripture of Moses to lead
and as a mercy
And this is a confirming Book <- What is a confirming book? Its functions/implications?
in an Arabic tongue
to warn those who have wronged
and as good tidings to the doers of good
(4612)

And We have revealed to you
the Book in truth
confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture
and as a criterion over it <- How do these "Criterion Systems" works? Reject them all together?
So judge between them by what Allah has revealed <- Allah says "judge", evaluate, not rejects.
and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth
To each of you We prescribed a law and a method <- Other rules are also from Allah? Good? Bad?
Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation <- Allah refers to "nation"
but to test you in what He has given you <- What is the test from Allah? Rejection?
so race to good <- Allah considers there is good from another book or sect etc.?
To Allah is your return all together
and He will inform you concerning that over which you used to differ <- Who'll inform? You?
(548) What is our mission?

[nonplus]

Salam nonplus,

I know and I'm rejecting unjust hadith (refer here).

However, Allah prohibits us to deny what justly balanced (for example, 7738-50 above).

To reject what is justly balanced on sectarian basis, is no difference than to be a sectarian itself.

It is a religion of Islam, and not a deen of Islam.

Therefore, can you give me an ayat that Allah prohibit us to follow what is justly balanced?

Can you give me an ayat where Allah command us to reject signs not in the Qur'an?

Peace brother.

hadith != "signs not in the Qur'an"

Furthermore, you seem to attach context to many things and somehow make it not apply to you.

When God asks, rhetorically, "which hadith do you believe in?" It applies to any and everyone, not just the "non believers of judgement day". How quickly you limited the scope of that!

Anyway, I get that I'm new here and this seems to be your thread so I'll refrain from commenting further.

[muslims]

hadith != "signs not in the Qur'an"

Furthermore, you seem to attach context to many things and somehow make it not apply to you.

When God asks, rhetorically, "which hadith do you believe in?" It applies to any and everyone, not just the "non believers of judgement day". How quickly you limited the scope of that!

Anyway, I get that I'm new here and this seems to be your thread so I'll refrain from commenting further.

Salam nonplus,

Therefore, can you give me an ayat that Allah prohibit us to follow what is justly balanced?
Can you give me an ayat where Allah command us to reject signs not in the Qur'an?

Why can't you answer my simple questions and relying on the fallacy of generalization to make your points?
Do you have ayats to support your conclusion?
Do you really believe in the Qur'an or it is just your assumption?

Furthermore, you seem to attach context to many things and somehow make it not apply to you.

The difference is between the context what is justly balanced and what is not. You are referring to something that might have the element of justly balanced as unjust. You generalized the issue, as what religious people do, a sectarian. Therefore, you need to give me an authority for your conclusion, an ayat from the Qur'an.

hadith != "signs not in the Qur'an"

Have you ever read all the hadith, what is its story?

Is it all unjust and not related to the signs in the Qur'an? (refer here)

Prove it! That everything in a hadith is unjust, and your ibada (salat, fast, zakah, sadaqah, marriage, hajj and even the Qur'an translation etc) is free from any reference to the hadith.

It sounds silly and ridiculous, right?

When God asks, rhetorically, "which hadith do you believe in?" It applies to any and everyone, not just the "non believers of judgement day". How quickly you limited the scope of that!

I already give you my reason and show how one can distort Allah's words to fit their religious purpose.

Do you have ayats to counter my conclusion?

The risk of reading ayat out of its true meaning or context..

Do you covet
that they would believe for you
while a party of them used to hear the words of Allah
and then distort the Torah after they had understood it
while they were knowing?
(275)

Rather, they have denied that which they encompass not in knowledge
and whose interpretation has not yet come to them
Thus did those before them deny
Then observe how was the end of the wrongdoers
(1039)

[Maha]

I believe Islam isn't a religion, but a submission to God. Thus, many people may be muslims without ''knowing it''. )

Peace

[muslims]

I believe Islam isn't a religion, but a submission to God. Thus, many people may be muslims without ''knowing it''. )

Peace

Salam Maha,

There is some truth in it and many not among the Muslim might be the Believers, and no one knows Allah's plan; Allah said, "Indeed, I know that which you do not know." (230).

Expect the unexpected. )

For Muslim, we just need to focus on our mission .. obedience and human unity.

To each of you We prescribed a law and a method <- Other rules are also from Allah? Good? Bad?
Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation <- Allah refers to "nation"
but to test you in what He has given you <- What is the test from Allah? Rejection?
so race to good <- Allah considers there is good from another book or sect etc.?
To Allah is your return all together
and He will inform you concerning that over which you used to differ <- Who'll inform? You?
(548) What is our mission?

Peace.

[jhonsonmustafa]

Salam jhonsonmustafa,

I believe you are reading the ayat out of its context and its true meaning.

RED Can you please explain verse 7750?

This is the Day of Judgement
We will have assembled you and the former peoples
So if you have a plan, then plan against Me
Woe, that Day, to the deniers
Indeed, the righteous will be among shades and springs
And fruits from whatever they desire
, "Eat and drink in satisfaction for what you used to do"
Indeed, We thus reward the doers of good.
Woe, that Day, to the deniers
, eat and enjoy yourselves a little
indeed, you are criminals
Woe, that Day, to the deniers
And when it is said to them, "Bow," (ir'ka&#363 they do not bow
Woe, that Day, to the deniers
Then in what statement after the Qur'an will they believe? <- relating to those who deny the
(7738-50) Day of Judgement? Doing good?

ir'ka
= Ra-Kaf-Ayn = bowed, bent, incline, humility, humble yourself, lower the head, fell upon his face, stumbled.

And I don't understand why are referring to 22.

This is the Book about which there is no doubt
a guidance for those conscious of Allah
(22)

Where did Allah say it is shirk to follow what is justly balance?

Where did Allah command us to reject signs not in the Qur'an?

The risk of reading ayat out of its true meaning or context..

Do you covet
that they would believe for you
while a party of them used to hear the words of Allah
and then distort the Torah after they had understood it
while they were knowing?
(275)

Peace brother.

Salam Brother,
leave alone 7750 what about 22. When Allah says this is the Book, Then all the books right from schools to rocket science including hadith belongs to dust bin in front of Allah.

Allah says "Can you bring 10 Chapters like this?. All the men and Jinn put together". I dont remeber the Ayath No.

[Sabina]

Well said brother jhonsonmustafa.

[muslims]

Salam Brother,
leave alone 7750 what about 22. When Allah says this is the Book, Then all the books right from schools to rocket science including hadith belongs to dust bin in front of Allah.

Allah says "Can you bring 10 Chapters like this?. All the men and Jinn put together". I dont remeber the Ayath No.

Salam jhonsonmustafa,

leave alone 7750

Okay.

what about 22. When Allah says this is the Book, Then all the books right from schools to rocket science including hadith belongs to dust bin in front of Allah.

Allah says "Can you bring 10 Chapters like this?. All the men and Jinn put together". I dont remeber the Ayath No.

I already asked you this question.

What about 22?

What's it got to do with Allah prohibit us to follow what is justly balanced to humanity?

And I don't understand why are referring to 22.

This is the Book about which there is no doubt
a guidance for those conscious of Allah
(22)

Where did Allah say it is shirk to follow what is justly balance?

Where did Allah command us to reject signs not in the Qur'an?

Religion of Islam vs. Deen of Islam

Allah prohibits us to deny what justly balanced (for example, 7738-50 above).

To reject what is justly balanced on sectarian basis, is no difference than to be a sectarian itself.

It is a religion of Islam, and not a deen of Islam.

The difference is between the context what is justly balanced and what is not. You are referring to something that might have the element of justly balanced as unjust. You generalized the issue, as what religious people do, a sectarian. Therefore, you need to give me an authority for your conclusion, an ayat from the Qur'an.

Please look at the actual content..

The real issue is whether it is justly balanced to humanity?

and this is the Deen of Islam.

Do not generalize (fallacy of generalization) and view the matter on a sectarian's perspective.. Quranism, Sunni, Shia, Hadither, Wahhabbism, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism etc. This is religious perspective, a religion.

It doesn't matter if you label yourself as Quranism or Qur'an Alone or whatever it is.

It is still a sectarian, a religion.

It is not the Deen of Islam.

Peace brother.

[Sabina]

Peace brother,

Islam is not a religion. It is a way of life.

[muslims]

Peace brother,

Islam is not a religion. It is a way of life.

Salam Sabina

If it is so, then don't just say it. Live Islam as your way of life, and not as a religion.

Don't make it as a religion and opposing or against what is justly balanced to humanity (reality), whatever their religion or "label" (illusion).

Decide from the perspective of justly balanced to humanity (descendants of Adam), and not on the basis of any sectarian's perspective or fallacy of generalization (religion).

Peace.