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    muslims
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    Therefore our primary question in life is how far we are able to control the ideas within ourselves?

    Shirk in the form of a very fine, the pleasure felt while dzikr, salat or ibada etc, and which motivates us to do more ibada, salat or dzikr etc. It is so because our ibada will not be because of Allah, but because of the excitement performing ibada etc, ie. self. However, this is not necessarily damaging since we will be divided into three groups (567-10). It is just something to be taken into consideration, by those who wish to find the ultimate truth.

    And the soul and Him Who made it perfect
    Then He inspired it
    to understand
    what is right
    and wrong for it
    He will indeed be successful who purifies it
    And he will indeed fail who corrupts it
    (917-10)

    Smart and brilliant people can never know reality and Allah. Because they are too smart.

    http//s12.postimg.org/kyqnw00yh/glass.png

    And rely on Allah
    and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.
    Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior.
    (333-4)

    Our glass will first need to be emptied and clean.
    (100% obedience and free from shirk)

    http//s14.postimg.org/tp4not4vl/glasses.png

    Allah is the light of the heavens and the earth
    a likeness of His light is as a niche in which is a lamp
    the lamp is in a glass
    (and) the glass is as it were a brightly shining star
    lit from a blessed olive-tree
    neither eastern nor western
    the oil whereof almost gives light though fire touch it not
    light upon light
    Allah guides to His light whom He pleases
    and Allah sets forth parables for men
    and Allah is Cognizant of all things
    (2435)

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      The key to understand justly balanced is always in the opposite condition (understanding of right and wrong, good or evil etc.), and mostly and mostly attainable at the highest level of condition. For example

      To understand Ar-Rahman (The All-Compassionate) ...
      We must fully understand the condition and "pleasure" of being treated harshly; (0).

      To understand Ar-Rahim (The All-Merciful) ...
      We must fully understand the condition and "pleasure" of being treated cruelly; (0).

      To understand Al-`Adl (The Just) ...
      We must fully understand the condition and "pleasure" of being treated unjustly; (0).

      and so on..

      It was a tough one but only through this process our heart (glass) can become empty and we will rely entirely on Allah (no other option). Otherwise, we are relying on ourselves (ego) or others, not Allah.

      Say He has power to send torment on you <- how Allah guide us to what is just and balance?
      from above
      or from under your feet
      or to cover you with confusion in party strife
      and make you to taste
      the violence of one another
      See how variously We explain the Ayat
      so that they may understand.
      (665)

      Example on the standard required to attain righteousness

      By no means shall you attain to righteousness
      until you spend (benevolently)
      out of what you love
      and whatever thing you spend
      Allah surely knows it
      (392)

      And they ask you as to what they should spend (sadaqah)
      Say What you can spare
      Thus does Allah make clear to you the communications
      that you may ponder
      (2219)

      The recommended method for obedience of the Qur'an is initially through mastering the ibada of fasting (days), sadaqah, reading the Qur'an or dzikr and while doing good to others.

      This is the Book (the Quran)
      whereof there is no doubt
      a guidance to those who are Al-Muttaqun <- The first condition to understand the Qur'an.
      (22) Other than Al-Muttaqun?

      Therefore, first objective = becoming Al-Muttaqun

      Fast "..decreed upon you is fasting as it was decreed upon those before you
      that you may become righteous.." (2183)
      http//api.ning.com/files/uGCxg7sZSOsBbNwvSUN0m6uFBP5OUvR7e-3lYPcnfzzdki1NKdfBKi*MBEzKhhqFLbCaNgzbOCTwHTwBFp0cz3nyqUP-l7F1/arrowDownSmall.png
      Sadaqah "..Take from their wealth a charity by which you purify them
      and cause them increase.." (9103)

      And in no way will you (even) be a guide to the blind out of their errancy
      decidedly you will not make any to hear
      except for the ones who believe in Our signs
      and so they are Muslims (i.e., those that surrender to Allah)
      (3053)

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        hadith = shirk hypno

        It's obvious but many fail to see it! nope

        Excellent.
        22 This is the Book. hence all other books other than Quran belongs to dustbin.
        7750 Then in what statement (by Bukhari Hadith )after the Qur'an will they believe?

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          Excellent.
          22 This is the Book. hence all other books other than Quran belongs to dustbin.
          7750 Then in what statement (by Bukhari Hadith )after the Qur'an will they believe?

          Salam jhonsonmustafa,

          I believe you are reading the ayat out of its context and its true meaning.

          RED Can you please explain verse 7750?

          This is the Day of Judgement
          We will have assembled you and the former peoples
          So if you have a plan, then plan against Me
          Woe, that Day, to the deniers
          Indeed, the righteous will be among shades and springs
          And fruits from whatever they desire
          , "Eat and drink in satisfaction for what you used to do"
          Indeed, We thus reward the doers of good.
          Woe, that Day, to the deniers
          , eat and enjoy yourselves a little
          indeed, you are criminals
          Woe, that Day, to the deniers
          And when it is said to them, "Bow," (ir'ka) they do not bow
          Woe, that Day, to the deniers
          Then in what statement after the Qur'an will they believe? <- relating to those who deny the
          (7738-50) Day of Judgement? Doing good?

          ir'ka
          = Ra-Kaf-Ayn = bowed, bent, incline, humility, humble yourself, lower the head, fell upon his face, stumbled.

          And I don't understand why are referring to 22.

          This is the Book about which there is no doubt
          a guidance for those conscious of Allah
          (22)

          Where did Allah say it is shirk to follow what is justly balance?

          Where did Allah command us to reject signs not in the Qur'an?

          The risk of reading ayat out of its true meaning or context..

          Do you covet
          that they would believe for you
          while a party of them used to hear the words of Allah
          and then distort the Torah after they had understood it
          while they were knowing?
          (275)

          Peace brother.

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            Salam jhonsonmustafa,

            I believe you are reading the ayat out of its context and its true meaning.

            RED Can you please explain verse 7750?

            This is the Day of Judgement
            We will have assembled you and the former peoples
            So if you have a plan, then plan against Me
            Woe, that Day, to the deniers
            Indeed, the righteous will be among shades and springs
            And fruits from whatever they desire
            , "Eat and drink in satisfaction for what you used to do"
            Indeed, We thus reward the doers of good.
            Woe, that Day, to the deniers
            , eat and enjoy yourselves a little
            indeed, you are criminals
            Woe, that Day, to the deniers
            And when it is said to them, "Bow," they do not bow
            Woe, that Day, to the deniers
            Then in what statement after the Qur'an will they believe? <- relating to those who deny
            (7738-50) the Day of Judgement?

            and I don't understand why are referring to 22?

            Can you explain?

            This is the Book about which there is no doubt
            a guidance for those conscious of Allah
            (22)

            The risk of reading ayat out of its true meaning or context..

            Do you covet
            that they would believe for you
            while a party of them used to hear the words of Allah
            and then distort the Torah after they had understood it
            while they were knowing?
            (275)

            Further, where did Allah say it is shirk to follow what is justly balance?

            Where did Allah command us to reject signs not in the Qur'an?

            Peace brother.

            "Setting up partners" is not exclusive to the act of "creation". It's the setting up of partners of ANY kind including partners in source of guidance.

            Hadith should be treated like any essay or article here on free-minds. Otherwise, you're risking setting up partners with God.

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              "Setting up partners" is not exclusive to the act of "creation". It's the setting up of partners of ANY kind including partners in source of guidance.

              Hadith should be treated like any essay or article here on free-minds. Otherwise, you're risking setting up partners with God.

              Salam nonplus,

              I know and I'm rejecting unjust hadith (refer here).

              However, Allah prohibits us to deny what justly balanced (for example, 7738-50 above).

              To reject what is justly balanced on sectarian basis, is no difference than to be a sectarian itself.

              It is a religion of Islam, and not a deen of Islam.

              Therefore, can you give me an ayat that Allah prohibit us to follow what is justly balanced?

              Can you give me an ayat where Allah command us to reject signs not in the Qur'an?

              Peace brother.

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                What does the Qur'an teach?
                ...
                From the above, we can see that the Qur'an teaches us how to balance and achieve justice ..

                Some inconsistent ayats for the religious peoples.

                And who believe in what has been revealed to you
                and what was revealed before you
                and of the Hereafter they are certain
                (22)

                So is one who upon a clear evidence from his Lord?
                And a witness from Him follows it
                and before it was the Scripture of Moses to lead and as mercy
                Those
                believe in the Qur'an <- Condition to be regarded as a believer of the Qur'an
                (1718)

                Then woe to those
                who write the Book with their own hands <- much like the hadith itself
                and then say
                "This is from God"
                to traffic with it for a miserable price!
                Woe to them for what their hands do write
                and for the gain they make thereby
                (279

                Follow or not to follow?

                And before it was the scripture of Moses to lead
                and as a mercy
                And this is a confirming Book <- What is a confirming book? Its functions/implications?
                in an Arabic tongue
                to warn those who have wronged
                and as good tidings to the doers of good
                (4612)

                And We have revealed to you
                the Book in truth
                confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture
                and as a criterion over it <- How do these "Criterion Systems" works? Reject them all together?
                So judge between them by what Allah has revealed <- Allah says "judge", evaluate, not rejects.
                and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth
                To each of you We prescribed a law and a method <- Other rules are also from Allah? Good? Bad?
                Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation <- Allah refers to "nation"
                but to test you in what He has given you <- What is the test from Allah? Rejection?
                so race to good <- Allah considers there is good from another book or sect etc.?
                To Allah is your return all together
                and He will inform you concerning that over which you used to differ <- Who'll inform? You?
                (548) What is our mission?

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                  Salam nonplus,

                  I know and I'm rejecting unjust hadith (refer here).

                  However, Allah prohibits us to deny what justly balanced (for example, 7738-50 above).

                  To reject what is justly balanced on sectarian basis, is no difference than to be a sectarian itself.

                  It is a religion of Islam, and not a deen of Islam.

                  Therefore, can you give me an ayat that Allah prohibit us to follow what is justly balanced?

                  Can you give me an ayat where Allah command us to reject signs not in the Qur'an?

                  Peace brother.

                  hadith != "signs not in the Qur'an"

                  Furthermore, you seem to attach context to many things and somehow make it not apply to you.

                  When God asks, rhetorically, "which hadith do you believe in?" It applies to any and everyone, not just the "non believers of judgement day". How quickly you limited the scope of that!

                  Anyway, I get that I'm new here and this seems to be your thread so I'll refrain from commenting further.

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                    muslims
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                    hadith != "signs not in the Qur'an"

                    Furthermore, you seem to attach context to many things and somehow make it not apply to you.

                    When God asks, rhetorically, "which hadith do you believe in?" It applies to any and everyone, not just the "non believers of judgement day". How quickly you limited the scope of that!

                    Anyway, I get that I'm new here and this seems to be your thread so I'll refrain from commenting further.

                    Salam nonplus,

                    Therefore, can you give me an ayat that Allah prohibit us to follow what is justly balanced?
                    Can you give me an ayat where Allah command us to reject signs not in the Qur'an?

                    Why can't you answer my simple questions and relying on the fallacy of generalization to make your points?
                    Do you have ayats to support your conclusion?
                    Do you really believe in the Qur'an or it is just your assumption?

                    Furthermore, you seem to attach context to many things and somehow make it not apply to you.

                    The difference is between the context what is justly balanced and what is not. You are referring to something that might have the element of justly balanced as unjust. You generalized the issue, as what religious people do, a sectarian. Therefore, you need to give me an authority for your conclusion, an ayat from the Qur'an.

                    hadith != "signs not in the Qur'an"

                    Have you ever read all the hadith, what is its story?

                    Is it all unjust and not related to the signs in the Qur'an? (refer here)

                    Prove it! That everything in a hadith is unjust, and your ibada (salat, fast, zakah, sadaqah, marriage, hajj and even the Qur'an translation etc) is free from any reference to the hadith.

                    It sounds silly and ridiculous, right?

                    When God asks, rhetorically, "which hadith do you believe in?" It applies to any and everyone, not just the "non believers of judgement day". How quickly you limited the scope of that!

                    I already give you my reason and show how one can distort Allah's words to fit their religious purpose.

                    Do you have ayats to counter my conclusion?

                    The risk of reading ayat out of its true meaning or context..

                    Do you covet
                    that they would believe for you
                    while a party of them used to hear the words of Allah
                    and then distort the Torah after they had understood it
                    while they were knowing?
                    (275)

                    Rather, they have denied that which they encompass not in knowledge
                    and whose interpretation has not yet come to them
                    Thus did those before them deny
                    Then observe how was the end of the wrongdoers
                    (1039)

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                      Maha
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                      I believe Islam isn't a religion, but a submission to God. Thus, many people may be muslims without ''knowing it''. )

                      Peace

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                        muslims
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                        I believe Islam isn't a religion, but a submission to God. Thus, many people may be muslims without ''knowing it''. )

                        Peace

                        Salam Maha,

                        There is some truth in it and many not among the Muslim might be the Believers, and no one knows Allah's plan; Allah said, "Indeed, I know that which you do not know." (230).

                        Expect the unexpected. )

                        For Muslim, we just need to focus on our mission .. obedience and human unity.

                        To each of you We prescribed a law and a method <- Other rules are also from Allah? Good? Bad?
                        Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation <- Allah refers to "nation"
                        but to test you in what He has given you <- What is the test from Allah? Rejection?
                        so race to good <- Allah considers there is good from another book or sect etc.?
                        To Allah is your return all together
                        and He will inform you concerning that over which you used to differ <- Who'll inform? You?
                        (548) What is our mission?

                        Peace.

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                          jhonsonmustafa
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                          Salam jhonsonmustafa,

                          I believe you are reading the ayat out of its context and its true meaning.

                          RED Can you please explain verse 7750?

                          This is the Day of Judgement
                          We will have assembled you and the former peoples
                          So if you have a plan, then plan against Me
                          Woe, that Day, to the deniers
                          Indeed, the righteous will be among shades and springs
                          And fruits from whatever they desire
                          , "Eat and drink in satisfaction for what you used to do"
                          Indeed, We thus reward the doers of good.
                          Woe, that Day, to the deniers
                          , eat and enjoy yourselves a little
                          indeed, you are criminals
                          Woe, that Day, to the deniers
                          And when it is said to them, "Bow," (ir'ka&#363 they do not bow
                          Woe, that Day, to the deniers
                          Then in what statement after the Qur'an will they believe? <- relating to those who deny the
                          (7738-50) Day of Judgement? Doing good?

                          ir'ka
                          = Ra-Kaf-Ayn = bowed, bent, incline, humility, humble yourself, lower the head, fell upon his face, stumbled.

                          And I don't understand why are referring to 22.

                          This is the Book about which there is no doubt
                          a guidance for those conscious of Allah
                          (22)

                          Where did Allah say it is shirk to follow what is justly balance?

                          Where did Allah command us to reject signs not in the Qur'an?

                          The risk of reading ayat out of its true meaning or context..

                          Do you covet
                          that they would believe for you
                          while a party of them used to hear the words of Allah
                          and then distort the Torah after they had understood it
                          while they were knowing?
                          (275)

                          Peace brother.

                          Salam Brother,
                          leave alone 7750 what about 22. When Allah says this is the Book, Then all the books right from schools to rocket science including hadith belongs to dust bin in front of Allah.

                          Allah says "Can you bring 10 Chapters like this?. All the men and Jinn put together". I dont remeber the Ayath No.

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                            Sabina
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                            Well said brother jhonsonmustafa.

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                              muslims
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                              Salam Brother,
                              leave alone 7750 what about 22. When Allah says this is the Book, Then all the books right from schools to rocket science including hadith belongs to dust bin in front of Allah.

                              Allah says "Can you bring 10 Chapters like this?. All the men and Jinn put together". I dont remeber the Ayath No.

                              Salam jhonsonmustafa,

                              leave alone 7750

                              Okay.

                              what about 22. When Allah says this is the Book, Then all the books right from schools to rocket science including hadith belongs to dust bin in front of Allah.

                              Allah says "Can you bring 10 Chapters like this?. All the men and Jinn put together". I dont remeber the Ayath No.

                              I already asked you this question.

                              What about 22?

                              What's it got to do with Allah prohibit us to follow what is justly balanced to humanity?

                              And I don't understand why are referring to 22.

                              This is the Book about which there is no doubt
                              a guidance for those conscious of Allah
                              (22)

                              Where did Allah say it is shirk to follow what is justly balance?

                              Where did Allah command us to reject signs not in the Qur'an?

                              Religion of Islam vs. Deen of Islam

                              Allah prohibits us to deny what justly balanced (for example, 7738-50 above).

                              To reject what is justly balanced on sectarian basis, is no difference than to be a sectarian itself.

                              It is a religion of Islam, and not a deen of Islam.

                              The difference is between the context what is justly balanced and what is not. You are referring to something that might have the element of justly balanced as unjust. You generalized the issue, as what religious people do, a sectarian. Therefore, you need to give me an authority for your conclusion, an ayat from the Qur'an.

                              Please look at the actual content..

                              The real issue is whether it is justly balanced to humanity?

                              and this is the Deen of Islam.

                              Do not generalize (fallacy of generalization) and view the matter on a sectarian's perspective.. Quranism, Sunni, Shia, Hadither, Wahhabbism, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism etc. This is religious perspective, a religion.

                              It doesn't matter if you label yourself as Quranism or Qur'an Alone or whatever it is.

                              It is still a sectarian, a religion.

                              It is not the Deen of Islam.

                              Peace brother.

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                                Sabina
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                                Peace brother,

                                Islam is not a religion. It is a way of life.

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                                  muslims
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                                  Peace brother,

                                  Islam is not a religion. It is a way of life.

                                  Salam Sabina

                                  If it is so, then don't just say it. Live Islam as your way of life, and not as a religion.

                                  Don't make it as a religion and opposing or against what is justly balanced to humanity (reality), whatever their religion or "label" (illusion).

                                  Decide from the perspective of justly balanced to humanity (descendants of Adam), and not on the basis of any sectarian's perspective or fallacy of generalization (religion).

                                  Peace.

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                                    muslims
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                                    Hasty generalization

                                    Hadith/Sunna/Shia/Christian/Buddha etc is true for A (unjust).
                                    Hadith/Sunna/Shia/Christian/Buddha etc is true for B (unjust).
                                    Hadith/Sunna/Shia/Christian/Buddha etc is true for C (unjust).
                                    Hadith/Sunna/Shia/Christian/Buddha etc is true for D (unjust).

                                    Therefore...

                                    Hadith/Sunna/Shia/Christian/Buddha etc is true for
                                    E (way of life - deen)
                                    F (way of life - deen)
                                    G (way of life - deen), etc.

                                    and..

                                    What about that is justly balanced in the Hadith/Sunna/Shia/Christian/Buddha etc ?

                                    Should we oppose or against these elements?

                                    In certain aspects, we are also no difference to them.

                                    This is religion, and not the Deen of Islam (way of life - justly balanced).

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                                      Sabina
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                                      Salam Brother,

                                      Allah will guide him who wills towards the straight path.

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                                        Salam Brother,

                                        Allah will guide him who wills towards the straight path.

                                        Salam Sabina

                                        That is not related to our issue (another fallacy), and I hope it does not mean we should oppose or against what is justly balanced to the humanity on a sectarian's perspective or fallacy of generalization (religion).

                                        Peace.

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                                          muslims
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                                          Allah said...

                                          And who believe in what has been revealed to you
                                          and what was revealed before you
                                          and of the Hereafter they are certain
                                          (22)

                                          and, why Prophet Muhammad was not a Jew or Christian?

                                          It is the religion relating to the Books of Allah, and the Books which are confirmed by the Qur'an.

                                          Ibrahim was not a Jew <- Ibrahim has no religion. So as Muhammad, not a Jew/Christian (religion).
                                          nor a Christian http//api.ning.com/files/uGCxg7sZSOsBbNwvSUN0m6uFBP5OUvR7e-3lYPcnfzzdki1NKdfBKi*MBEzKhhqFLbCaNgzbOCTwHTwBFp0cz3nyqUP-l7F1/arrowDownSmall.png
                                          but he was (an) upright (man) <- showing a great concern for what is right, fair and truthful way
                                          a Muslim <- defined by the above ayat - an upright man - obedience and justly balanced.
                                          and he was not one of the polytheists <- Concern with right/wrong in religious matters - 3030-32

                                          Most surely the nearest of people to Ibrahim
                                          are those
                                          who followed him
                                          and this Prophet
                                          and those who believe
                                          and Allah is the guardian of the believers
                                          (367-68)

                                          And whoever seeks a "dnan" (&#1575 other than Islam
                                          it will NEVER be accepted of him
                                          and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers
                                          (<a href="http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=3&verse=85">385</a&gt

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