hey guys what do you think of this?
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Peace,
This study seems to be fairly biased. However, there might be a connection between adopting tradtional senseless religions and intelligence. Intelligent people are certainly driven more by logic and rationality and may thus be turned away by the portrayal of these traditional religions and also from God altogether. It can be a matter of how you define intelligence on the other hand. Being intelligent does not necessarily mean you understood things right, but you certainly have the prerequisite to discover the Truth.
We must remember that the majority of people in the world are not fit for God's kingdom and so there is only a minority that go to Heaven.
In my opinion, true Faith relies heavily on intelligence and about logic and reason. The traditionalists distort and mislead even the more intelligent beings. It is a big victory and achievment to be a Believer and shows that you have a strong intellect.
For example, many of the people on this forum who follow God alone are actually very intelligent people or they would not be around here and reason like this.
On the other hand, sectarians with sealed minds who parrot polytheistic nonsense day after day in their so-called house of worships could be regarded as the target of this article you submitted. Those who accept things no matter how how senseless and illogical they seem. God even explain about these people in Quran.
God bless you
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thanks guys
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Blind faith harbours stupidity.
Exactly! Very good and very important point!
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How is "intelligence" defined? According to whose criteria?
It comes from the word inter-leggere = to read between the lines, or, understand a meta meaning.
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It's a widely known phenomenon...
Religiosity and intelligence
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligenceBut remember the #1 principle in statistic
Correlation doesn't show cause and effect..http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/LynnHarveyNyborg-Atheism-IQ.svg/800px-LynnHarveyNyborg-Atheism-IQ.svg.png
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It's a widely known phenomenon...
Religiosity and intelligence
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligenceBut remember the #1 principle in statistic
Correlation doesn't show cause and effect..http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/LynnHarveyNyborg-Atheism-IQ.svg/800px-LynnHarveyNyborg-Atheism-IQ.svg.png
It also shows that none of the respondents were '100%' atheist p
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It's a widely known phenomenon...
Religiosity and intelligence
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligencePeace,
It's not phenomenon that IQ scores are directly proportional to education.
Ashkenazi Jews IQ = 117 is highest any group isn't due to belief/disbelief.
IQ Country
107 Hong Kong
106 Korea, South
105 Japan
105 Korea, North
102 Austria
102 Germany
102 Italy
102 Netherlands
101 Luxembourg
100 Belgium
100 China
100 New Zealand
100 Singapore99 Hungary
99 Poland
98 Australia
98 Denmark
98 France
98 Iceland
98 Mongolia
98 Norway
97 Canada
97 Czech Republic
97 Estonia
97 Finland
97 Latvia
97 Lithuania
96 Argentina
96 Belarus
96 Russia
96 Slovakia
95 Malta
95 Moldova
95 Portugal
94 Israel
94 Romania
93 Armenia
93 Bulgaria
93 Chile
93 Georgia
93 Ireland
93 Kazakhstan
93 Macedonia
92 Brunei
92 Cyprus
92 Greece
92 Malaysia
91 Costa Rica
90 Albania
90 Croatia
90 Peru89 Cambodia
89 Indonesia
89 Laos
88 Colombia
87 Azerbaijan
87 Brazil
87 Iraq
87 Jordan
87 Kyrgyzstan
87 Mexico
87 Samoa (Western)
86 Burma (Myanmar)
86 Lebanon
86 Philippines
85 Bolivia
85 Cuba
85 Morocco
85 Paraguay
84 Algeria
84 Dominican Republic
84 El Salvador
84 Fiji
84 Guyana
84 Honduras
84 Iran
84 Kiribati
84 Libya
84 Marshall Islands
84 Micronesia
84 Nicaragua
84 Panama
84 Papua New Guinea
84 Puerto Rico
83 Afghanistan
83 Bahrain
83 Belize
83 Egypt
83 Kuwait
83 Oman
83 Saudi Arabia
81 Bangladesh
81 India
81 Maldives
81 Mauritius
81 Pakistan
81 Seychelles
80 Ecuador79 Comoros
79 Guatemala
79 Madagascar
78 Bahamas
78 Barbados
78 Bhutan
78 Cape Verde
78 Nepal
78 Qatar
75 Antigua & Barbuda
75 Dominica
75 Grenada
73 Congo (Braz)
73 Mauritania
72 Botswana
72 Chad
72 Haiti
72 Jamaica
72 Kenya
72 Lesotho
72 Mosambique
72 Namibia
71 Ghana
71 Malawi
70 Burundi
70 Cameroon
70 Rwanda69 Angola
69 Benin
68 Central African Rep.
68 Djibouti
68 Eritrea
68 Mali
67 Niger
67 Nigeria
66 Burkina Faso
66 Gabon
65 Congo (Zaire)
64 Gambia
64 Liberia
64 Senegal
64 Sierra Leone
63 Ethiopia
63 Guinea
63 Guinea-Bissau
59 Equatorial Guinea
59 Sao Tome/Principe -
Peace,
It's not phenomenon that IQ scores are directly proportional to education.
Ashkenazi Jews IQ = 117 is highest any group isn't due to belief/disbelief.I've put a 'warning' in my post
But remember the #1 principle in statistic
Correlation doesn't show cause and effect..Israel scored quite low there on your ranking..
The top 4 countries share the following characteristics
- Pictorial and complex script
Salam / Peace
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Shalom Aleikhem,
I personally know atheists that are as thick as a brick. Incredibility irrational. However, I must confess that that's the minority. However, when it comes to religious people, on a comparative basis, they tend to be less rational. This is not to say that there were/are no intelligent believers. However, one must notice that despite how many intelligent believers are there, no one ever brought forth evidence for the existence of their God. It seems that the intelligence is not used when it comes to religion. And when used, it is not done so honestly. Not to mention that we can not ignore the fact that these so called "intelligent believers" do not necessarily share their religious beliefs. You can find a muslim who believes in Allah and is an expert in the field of Biology and at the same time find a Nuclear Physicist that believes in Hinduism. People who are at least honest, would at the end of the day confess that it all boils down to having "faith".
In my opinion, true Faith relies heavily on intelligence and about logic and reason. The traditionalists distort and mislead even the more intelligent beings. It is a big victory and achievment to be a Believer and shows that you have a strong intellect.
Interesting how your understanding of faith runs contrary to what religious faith is in reality. If religious faith was based on reason/logic and backed by evidence, then it wouldn't necessitate "faith".
Peace
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Sorry for interrupting.
Yes, atheists are smart and rational.
http//www.davidstuff.com/historical/stalin.jpg
Religious or theistic people are irrational and superstitious.
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Student of Allah,
Sorry I don't come here to try to refute you because refuting an atheist is not my interest.
But I am curious.
If you are now an atheist who considers Faith to be irrational and unintelligent, then why do you call yourself 'Student of Allah'? Why not Student of Evolution or Student of Big Bang or Student of Scientific Evidence or Student of Materialism?Anyway this is my personal view. I don't consider it to be valid argument.
Atheists lack spiritualism.
Atheists are only focused on materialism.Carefully and wholeheartedly studying the Qur'an and reflecting the Qur'an verses about His creations upon His creations make someone a Believer.
God guides whom He wills.
That's why God is hard to be explained.You yourself said that there are also smart / rational religious people. Having Faith in God doesn't affect or worsen your education.
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Shalom Aleikhem ,
Sorry I don't come here to try to refute you because refuting an atheist is not my interest.
If you did not intend to refute anything I've said, you should not have dedicated your entire post in criticizing me. It makes very little sense. It's like saying " Sorry, I am not here for name calling but you are a son of a b*tch!! ".
But I am curious.
If you are now an atheist who considers Faith to be irrational and unintelligent, then why do you call yourself 'Student of Allah'? Why not Student of Evolution or Student of Big Bang or Student of Scientific Evidence or Student of Materialism?A I set this username BEFORE I stopped believing. So for obvious reason, my username may reflect my philosophical inclination at the time I made my account.
B A belief in God and Science or evolution are not necessarily mutually exclusive. A person believing in God does not necessarily refuse to accept Science/Evolution/Big Bang. In the same way, a person who accepts science does not necessarily reject God. So I don't see why you even thought about those options. I do not necessarily need an alternative of God when I stop believing in God. Much like we don't look for alternative of cancer when we get rid of cancer in a cancer patient.
Another irrational part of what you said is that you are assuming things about me. To be an atheist you do not have to be a believer of philosophical naturalism. The only thing you must do is not believe that there is a God. Then you can go on and believe in infinite number of supernatural things. As long as you are not believing in a "God/Goddess", you are an atheist.
Atheists lack spiritualism.
Atheists are only focused on materialism.Just like all Muslims are terrorists and all Muslims are illiterate bigots? No, I do not believe that all Muslims are that way. I am just giving you an idea of how irrational and asinine your assertions are. In my case, I never believed in a traditional spirit even when I was a Muslim. Now, spiritualism, without you defining what that is, I don't know if I believe in that or not.
And here is a link for you to learn more about philosophical naturalism (click me). I think I am probably into methodological naturalism. But in any case, you shouldn't act like you have provided some kind of evidence for the existence of supernatural things/beings and I am rejecting that. If you can prove that, I will believe it. It is that simple. But until the time you actually come up with evidence, please stop making it sound like one is stupid/lesser for not readily accepting your unfounded belief in immaterial-supernatural things.
You yourself said that there are also smart / rational religious people. Having Faith in God doesn't affect or worsen your education.
I never said it does, at least not in that post. I was merely pointing out a general trend I have seen and these researches complement my observation. There are other studies too where it was demonstrated that an average atheist in general knows more about religion than an average religious person. There are many such studies that complement the observation that I was talking about. I never said that believing in Gods/Goddesses will worsen your education, please don't put words in my mouth.
Peace
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Student of Allah,
Sorry I don't come here to try to refute you because refuting an atheist is not my interest.
But I am curious.
If you are now an atheist who considers Faith to be irrational and unintelligent, then why do you call yourself 'Student of Allah'? Why not Student of Evolution or Student of Big Bang or Student of Scientific Evidence or Student of Materialism?Anyway this is my personal view. I don't consider it to be valid argument.
Atheists lack spiritualism.
Atheists are only focused on materialism.Carefully and wholeheartedly studying the Qur'an and reflecting the Qur'an verses about His creations upon His creations make someone a Believer.
God guides whom He wills.
That's why God is hard to be explained.You yourself said that there are also smart / rational religious people. Having Faith in God doesn't affect or worsen your education.
Actually, the impression an atheist can get from exposure to scientific truths, can be very spiritual (Richard Dawkin's words).
Dont just dismiss atheists reasoning, u can learn a lot from them Lots of them are 'clean slates', in contrary to most religious people who are bigotted and brain washed.
Take care, it was nice to have briefly communicated with u, ur cool
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Salaam Student of Allah,
What I wrote was poorly written, I admit that now and I think the meaning was not conveyed properly.
God bless you
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Actually, the impression an atheist can get from exposure to scientific truths, can be very spiritual (Richard Dawkin's words).
Yes, their words and research may contain spiritual truth. But there is no spiritualism in the atheists. They are materialists.
Dont just dismiss atheists reasoning, u can learn a lot from them ) Lots of them are 'clean slates', in contrary to most religious people who are bigotted and brain washed.
Yes, we all can benefit maaaaaaaaany from them. For example I can create a bedtime story which is inspired from the theory of human evolution ;D
Yes, the highly genius atheists (just like any educated genius people, since religious fanatics are far away from being intelligent) are not dangerous.
But atheists on Yahoo Answers make no difference from Sunnis in sunniforum PTake care, it was nice to have briefly communicated with u, ur cool )
Are you (in this quote) talking to me?
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Shalom Aleikhem ,
If you did not intend to refute anything I've said, you should not have dedicated your entire post in criticizing me. It makes very little sense. It's like saying " Sorry, I am not here for name calling but you are a son of a b*tch!! ".
Is commenting you wrong? I didn't say my post to you was a refutation either. Just enjoy freedom of expression. peace
A I set this username BEFORE I stopped believing. So for obvious reason, my username may reflect my philosophical inclination at the time I made my account.
Just contact the moderator to change your nickname since you believe that God is useless.
B A belief in God and Science or evolution are not necessarily mutually exclusive. A person believing in God does not necessarily refuse to accept Science/Evolution/Big Bang. In the same way, a person who accepts science does not necessarily reject God. So I don't see why you even thought about those options. I do not necessarily need an alternative of God when I stop believing in God. Much like we don't look for alternative of cancer when we get rid of cancer in a cancer patient.
I didn't say all science lovers reject the existence of God.
Another irrational part of what you said is that you are assuming things about me. To be an atheist you do not have to be a believer of philosophical naturalism. The only thing you must do is not believe that there is a God. Then you can go on and believe in infinite number of supernatural things. As long as you are not believing in a "God/Goddess", you are an atheist.
Because atheists become materialists when it comes to proving the existence of God. peace
Just like all Muslims are terrorists and all Muslims are illiterate bigots? No, I do not believe that all Muslims are that way. I am just giving you an idea of how irrational and asinine your assertions are. In my case, I never believed in a traditional spirit even when I was a Muslim. Now, spiritualism, without you defining what that is, I don't know if I believe in that or not.
Spritualism = Immaterialism
The main reason why atheists reject God is because they don't see, hear or physically feel God. So that's why I said they lack spiritualism.And here is a link for you to learn more about philosophical naturalism (click me). I think I am probably into methodological naturalism. But in any case, you shouldn't act like you have provided some kind of evidence for the existence of supernatural things/beings and I am rejecting that. If you can prove that, I will believe it. It is that simple. But until the time you actually come up with evidence, please stop making it sound like one is stupid/lesser for not readily accepting your unfounded belief in immaterial-supernatural things.
The existence of God, as well as inexistence of God has been proven for a countless time.
Unfortunately the people who prove the existence of God don't prove it the way the materialists people expect because God cannot be seen.I never said it does, at least not in that post. I was merely pointing out a general trend I have seen and these researches complement my observation. There are other studies too where it was demonstrated that an average atheist in general knows more about religion than an average religious person. There are many such studies that complement the observation that I was talking about. I never said that believing in Gods/Goddesses will worsen your education, please don't put words in my mouth.
No I wasn't putting words in your mouth. The phrase "Having faith in God does not affect or worsen education" was just a statement. The atheists who are smart are smart not because of their atheism, but because of their willing to learn, analyse and rationalize. The same goes with theists.
Anyway let's see who will be the victors and losers on JD. Ooops sorry you disbelieve and reject this