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    Israfeel
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    You can disagree all you want, but the Quran says that the husband is the dominant partner in the marriage

    Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient (Surah 434)

    It's obvious that the husband is the dominant partner. The wife stays at home and takes care of the kids, while the husband goes out to work to support and maintain his household.

    You say your "friend" fell in love with a non-Muslim. That itself is haram and shows that she is an immoral woman. In Islam its forbidden for men and women to have relationship before marriage.

    Also ask your friend what religion will the children be raised in. What guarantee the children will be raised as Muslims?

    You should strongly discourage your friend from marrying a non-Muslim. Tell her that her family will regard her as a prostitute and her children will be regarded as bastards

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      ForTheTruth
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      well i do agree with you about chapter 4 verse 34 but a women can also be a supporter and a mother i was raise by a single mother and she was my father and mother.... i know a muslim men who is marry to a non Muslim women and she want to kids to choose there own religion and his son is one of my good friend and he isnt a Muslim but a christian

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        Israfeel
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        well i do agree with you about chapter 4 verse 34 but a women can also be a supporter and a mother i was raise by a single mother and she was my father and mother.... i know a muslim men who is marry to a non Muslim women and she want to kids to choose there own religion and his son is one of my good friend and he isnt a Muslim but a christian

        Well most people are raised by mother and father. Single mother or single father is the exception, not the rule.

        You say that the kids will choose their own religion. How does a child choose what religion he or she is raised with? For example, in Islam a baby boy is circumcised on the seventh day after being born. Will you ask the baby "Do you want to be a Muslim baby (circumcised) or a Christian baby (uncircumcised)"?

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          ForTheTruth
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          Well most people are raised by mother and father. Single mother or single father is the exception, not the rule.

          You say that the kids will choose their own religion. How does a child choose what religion he or she is raised with? For example, in Islam a baby boy is circumcised on the seventh day after being born. Will you ask the baby "Do you want to be a Muslim baby (circumcised) or a Christian baby (uncircumcised)"?

          Let me correct myself his mother wanted them to chose what religion they wanted and most family aren't raised by a mother and father and especially in this era

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            Israfeel
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            Let me correct myself his mother wanted them to chose what religion they wanted and most family aren't raised by a mother and father and especially in this era

            Maybe most non-Muslim families aren't raised by mother and father (most non-Muslims these days don't even think getting married is necessary).

            But I assure you, most Muslims are raised by a loving mother and father, yesterday, today and tomorrow.

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              ForTheTruth
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              Iam Muslim i was born as Muslim and will die as one and my mother raised me and my father left me when i was 2 so lets not go there i know many sisters that suffered and raised there kids by them self as a Muslim women and some got abused by there husband they feared for there life and had to leave

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                Israfeel
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                Iam Muslim i was born as Muslim and will die as one and my mother raised me and my father left me when i was 2 so lets not go there i know many sisters that suffered and raised there kids by them self as a Muslim women and some got abused by there husband they feared for there life and had to leave

                They are a tiny minority. Vast majority of Muslims are raised by both father and mother, as divorce is very rare among Muslims as compared to non-Muslims.

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                  ForTheTruth
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                  They are a tiny minority. Vast majority of Muslims are raised by both father and mother, as divorce is very rare among Muslims as compared to non-Muslims.

                  i disagree with you on that because you were probably raised in a bubble where you think muslim dont divorce and is just a tiny majority when truth is more then that

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                    huruf
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                    As pe the Qur'an there are the same restrictions on marriage, exactly the same for men and for women. Whatever a woman can marry, a man can, and viceversa. No aya of the Qur'an says different. Any difference is due to legislation instroduced through history by humans, not by God in His revelation, therefore those differences do not bind anybody.

                    Salaam

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                      ForTheTruth
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                      As pe the Qur'an there are the same restrictions on marriage, exactly the same for men and for women. Whatever a woman can marry, a man can, and viceversa. No aya of the Qur'an says different. Any difference is due to legislation instroduced through history by humans, not by God in His revelation, therefore those differences do not bind anybody.

                      Salaam

                      Thank you my brother for clearing that up bless be upon you

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                        Loveleen
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                        I think they can but they have to be on the same page about God and be a true believer about Monotheist

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                          bookish
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                          This question often comes up when critics begin to point out the inequality of men and women which they believe the Koran contains.

                          If God really intended women to marry non-Muslims, I think God would have said it....the way He said it for men....as we believe that God's Book is fully detailed and complete. But again...God knows best.

                          I have no clue as to how to interpret this silence...

                          Even then, marriage to a non-Muslim will not make the woman a prostitute or her children bastards! Judgement rests with God, not with us.

                          This is a public forum to discuss things about faith, in as polite a way as we can....so let's keep things as clean as we can.

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                            You should strongly discourage your friend from marrying a non-Muslim. Tell her that her family will regard her as a prostitute and her children will be regarded as bastards

                            You don't half make me chuckle with this nonsense which you spew-I'm sure you don't really believe all of this rubbish which you've written.

                            And yes, better to be beaten than be a whore, and better to abuse children than to have them be labelled as "bastards".

                            What a wonderful world you live in.

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                              huruf
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                              This question often comes up when critics begin to point out the inequality of men and women which they believe the Koran contains.

                              If God really intended women to marry non-Muslims, I think God would have said it....the way He said it for men....as we believe that God's Book is fully detailed and complete. But again...God knows best.

                              I have no clue as to how to interpret this silence...

                              Even then, marriage to a non-Muslim will not make the woman a prostitute or her children bastards! Judgement rests with God, not with us.

                              This is a public forum to discuss things about faith, in as polite a way as we can....so let's keep things as clean as we can.

                              ?What silence and what non silence? ?Have you read the Qur'an attentively? Where does it allow to men and not to women? Where does it say is is ONLY for men such a thing? Nowhere.

                              Salaam

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                                hawk99
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                                Where does it allow to men and not to women? Where does it say is is ONLY for men such a thing? Nowhere.

                                Salaam

                                Peace huruf, bookish,

                                I think we should first look at 5/5 and the word wal-mu'antu
                                before we can categorically conclude that some things are for men only.

                                God bless

                                pr

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                                  huruf
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                                  Peace huruf, bookish,

                                  I think we should first look at 5/5 and the word wal-mu'antu
                                  before we can categorically conclude that some things are for men only.

                                  God bless

                                  pr

                                  Indeed it would be grob to order believing women to marry men that were not muhsan and to order men to marry women who are muhsan, if as it is being suggested by translators and others muhsan means chaste and it would also be contradictory with the rest of Qur'an.

                                  Salaam

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                                    ForTheTruth
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                                    Even then, marriage to a non-Muslim will not make the woman a prostitute or her children bastards!

                                    A Women is a queen if she wishes to marry a non-believing male who has a same view on God as she do then she can. You cant call her a prostitute how dare you call a women that sometimes i wonder who raise guys like you my mother told me to respect a women love and care for a women never put your hands on a women REAL MEN RESPECTS WOMEN

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                                      As pe the Qur'an there are the same restrictions on marriage, exactly the same for men and for women. Whatever a woman can marry, a man can, and viceversa. No aya of the Qur'an says different. Any difference is due to legislation instroduced through history by humans, not by God in His revelation, therefore those differences do not bind anybody.

                                      Peace huruf, bookish,

                                      I think we should first look at 5/5 and the word wal-mu'antu
                                      before we can categorically conclude that some things are for men only.

                                      I slightly agree with hawk99 and possibility Israfell too.

                                      The example is provided by hawk99, the word or muchsanat is feminine because ta' (&#1615 existed in the last.

                                      Peace

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                                        huruf
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                                        I do not know what you are getting at, I doubt that you Earthdom are saying the same as Hawk. You sdhould give a proper explanation of what you mean. The morphological shape of feminine plural in Arabic are not fresh news, so what are you getting at with that. The only thing you can get from there is that in fact nothing, abolutely nothing is being forbidden to believing women, but on the other hand believing men are very clearly forbidden to marry believing women muhsanaat or muhsanaat of the women of the book UNLESS the men pay them their retribution, "UJUR, and desire chastity, not lewdness, nor secret intrigues. if any one rejects faith, fruitless is his work, and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost".

                                        And I do not see AT ALL how in 5.5 it is being forbidden anything to believing women. ?Do you mean to say that believing women are forbidden to marry muhsinin believing men? How can that be when in that same aya God is ordering men to marry being muhsinin and fulfilling their manly obligations, like UJUR? Women are not being ordered to pay UJUR nor to approach the men desiring chastity, not lewdness, nor secret intrigues. Does that mean that women can approach men not desiring chastity but lewdness and secret intrigues?

                                        How far can go muslim males' self blinding in order to get some edge over women? I am very concerned about that. Is it so precious, so aboslutely necessary for that kind of male to have that edge? How does it feel? Makes it feel like a god or like a demi-god or what? It beats me.

                                        It is really unfathomable that an aya where men are prohibited to approach women except with decency and with due payment of UJUR can become by some unfathomable magic an aya in which something is being forbidden to women. ?My God, my God, my God! I am dumbfounded. May be a psychiatrist could do something?

                                        Salaam

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                                          bookish
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                                          ?What silence and what non silence? ?Have you read the Qur'an attentively? Where does it allow to men and not to women? Where does it say is is ONLY for men such a thing? Nowhere.

                                          Salaam

                                          Salaam huruf,

                                          I don't really know what you mean by attentively...but I agree I may have missed something. I happened to read the English translation as I don't know Arabic. I'd be glad if you could write a short article on this to explain the issue.

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