Salat According to the Quran and a Critical Remark

cleanfox5982

What type of a noun is

Salam brother Mazhar ,

From the Atlantic ocean to the Arabian gulf the dialect pronunciation is salah , the last letter / sound is h ; h for hotel not th for talk . it is the same noun as zakah and hayah which is similarly pronounced officially and academically ( what is considered as classical Arabic ) zakat , salat , hayat ...every word that ends with h in classical arabic they put two dots on the top of the h and they pronounce it t and they call it " "" "T" marbah "bound t "

I explained my view regarding this on the link qoute below

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604247.msg306759#msg306759

Al-Salwah is written that way in the Quran i have between my hand , there is a "H" at the end it should be pronounced "H" not "t " , all words that end with the what is know as " "" "T" marbah "bound t " should be pronounced as "H"

All this should be prounced "H"

My understanding is that there is nothing called " "" "T" marbah "bound t " at the end of a word the " T" sound / phenetic when its at the end is only "t maftah ( , meaning "open t &quot. , always written as below

Position in word Isolated Final Medial Initial
Glyph form

Examples for "t " at the end of the word
Al-Salawat
Al-aa'deyat
Al-Moreyat
Al-Moghirat

Exemple for "h" at then end of the word wrongly prononced "t" and wrongly named "t" bounded t/

Al-Salawah not Al-salat
Al-Zakawah not Al-zakat
Al-Madinah not Al-Madinato or Al-Madinatti
Al-Madrassah not Al-Madrassato or Al-Madrassati

As you can notice there is diffrence between Al-Salawah and Al-Salawat and the verse 2-238 is clearly mentioning that

2-238

other thing is that the concept of pronouncing words that end with "H" and pronounced it as "t " if its true then all word ending with "H" should be pronounced with "t " at the end so you have to pronounce

Allah as Allat

You can see what is the difference

I would like to highlight that the h in salah is pronounced very very softly with no push , it is the same pronunciation for the word allh

The two dots on the top of the h are diacritics was added later , this calligraphy is known as "othmanic" design narrated by "ouarsh" by the united Moroccan Tunisian Algerian African calligraphy ?confirmed by alAzhar-egypt
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surah 2 verse 3

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surah 2 verse 43

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surah 2 verse 96

I am not saying that how you should pronounced it but in our dialect we say salah not salat same as any word finishing with h what is known in classical Arabic as bounded th .

A 2 question dear Mazhar

Does the words in the Qur'an ending with the symbol should the last pronunciation be h for hotel or th for talk ?

What is the logic behind having two different symbols of one same pronunciation , i mean the bounded which is pronounced th and the openwhich is also pronounced th ?what is the logic behind ?

Waiting for your answers

al-amiyr

What is the logic behind having two different symbols of one same pronunciation , i mean the bounded which is pronounced th and the openwhich is also pronounced th ?what is the logic behind ?

Waiting for your answers

+salaam brother Alkitab

I am preparing this in the easy and simple to understand lessons of the Book (al-kitaab) and will upload soon inshaa ALLAAH. There is a big difference between the two in the Book (al-kitaab)

Just for now here is a quick example.

There is a line of numbers here represented by points.

. . . . . . . . . . >

every point represents the Arabic letter t (taa&#039 but the last point is always represented by the Arabic letter T (Taa&#039. The whole (from the beginning point to the end point) is represented by the Arabic letter H (Haa&#039

When one began the journey and did not reach the end then we use H

When the journey has ended then we use t.

R = the person

. . . R . . . . . .H

. . . . . . . . . R.t

That is a small hint.

+salaam

cleanfox5982

Thank you, you were right, I needed to have some patience to learn more of your arguments.
So far, it is very interesting to me that you graphically showed the prescribed THREE TIMES for the Salat. Now I am looking forward to see the explanation HOW is it DONE...
Looking forward to the continuation.

Sorry, double post due to network error.

Welcome brother ,

I just notice a error in the graphic , salah l3ichaA finish at dusk not sun rise as per 1778

Thank you too for your pushing , bear in mind i study , learn and share same as you .

cleanfox5982

Does the words in the Qur'an ending with the symbol should the last pronunciation be h for hotel or th for talk ?

What is the logic behind having two different symbols of one same pronunciation , i mean the bounded which is pronounced th and the openwhich is also pronounced th ?what is the logic behind ?

Waiting for your answers

Kindly refer to this section post 16
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605810.10

GODsubmitter

Welcome brother ,

I just notice a error in the graphic , salah l3ichaA finish at dusk not sun rise as per 1778

Thank you too for your pushing , bear in mind i study , learn and share same as you .

Thank you @Alkitab for taking the time to answer me.
I understood the correction in the graphic.
By the way, your posts are incredibly rich with graphics and explanations and those posts of yours are the ones from which I learn a lot.
God bless
peace

cleanfox5982

Salam All ,

For those who are still doubting that there is no salah during daylight time , as per 1778

The verses is clearly distinguishing between two times Night & Daylight

The kye to understand this is the two opposite expression

*** 1 - 3alyk = Upon you / over you / something you have to do ( upon those who believe ) ***

Against

*** 2 - Lak = For you / To you / for your favor / gift for you ***

What is Upon you and what is For you ?

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Any Periods of Nights you wish is upon you / 3alyk for salah (upon those who belive )

And that is per

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Salah decreed-ed upon you / 3alyk ( upon those who believe )

What is Maoukut

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What is for you

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The whole day/light is for you , for your favor

Example for something for you

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The children are for you / For your favor

To be continued...Incha allah.

Man_of_Faith

Salaam best brother alkitab,

I have had problems ruling out daily prayers during daylight. Perhaps my sources and understanding has deceived me. I think even if they are not compulsory then at least they are expected out of pious believers.

God bless you

Mazhar

Quote from Mazhar on Yesterday at 095154 am
What type of a noun is

Salam brother Mazhar ,

Salamun alaika, AlKitab.

Question remained unanswered since you concentrated on calligraphy-ta marbuta etc.

cleanfox5982

Salaam best brother alkitab,

I have had problems ruling out daily prayers during daylight. Perhaps my sources and understanding has deceived me. I think even if they are not compulsory then at least they are expected out of pious believers.

God bless you

Salam Brother Man of Faith ,

Exactley it's not working during the day

The fact that the daylight is for life and personal occupation make perfect sens , naturally people are busy during the day , unlike during the night in which activity get reduced , but with today's way of life and entertainment especially in cities you make no difference between day & night

736 (Indeed, the hours of the night are more effective for concurrence , and more suitable for words.)

cleanfox5982

Quote from Mazhar on Yesterday at 095154 am
What type of a noun is

Salamun alaika, AlKitab.

Question remained unanswered since you concentrated on calligraphy-ta marbuta etc.

Salam Mazhar ,

If you still do not see any clarification in what i wrote and the conversation at the link below , then i recommend you kindly tell me what is your understanding and what noun are you looking for ? what do you find wrong in what i wrote ?

by the way what do you mean by

What type of a noun is

You do not know what type ? or you looking for something else ? be straight , go ahead .

Kindly refer to this section post 16
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605810.10

Mazhar

Salam, Alkitab,

Pl refer your preceding post.

I hope you remember wherefrom you had picked up the sentence and explained about it.

Quote from Man of Faith on September 29, 2013, 032734 am
Salaam,

Perhaps this forum has made some further breakthroughs in understanding the Truth. Good work!

I had suspected for quite a while that the prayer is intended to be more of a meditation than the salat traditionalists perform. I had previously worked on making the salat less ritualistic and more about meditation and this may prove I was not doing wrong. It is true that concentration is very important during salat, and the counting and moves distract the practitioner quite much. Focus on what you are really intended to do with the salat instead, like establishing a connection.

God bless you

I raised the querry in this regard

What type of a noun is

How can it be related to meditation?

Have you seen some stupid fellow meditating while standing still on two feet?

Leave it aside.
You may enlighten me about its formation. What I see seems Waw of Root is retained, its vowel is omitted; dagger alif is placed on sakin waw, and then Ta marboota is added perhaps to indicate that waw and not Ya is the original consonant of the root.

Can you please help by elaborating the rules for in respect of nouns of Roots with last radical Waw?

sword_of_tashayyu

The ones who invented the ritual Salat are the same ones who invented the story of Muhammad riding the winged horse to the 7th Heaven and receiving the prayer obligation.

The same people you were talking about also compiled the Quran. The last time I read it was not Archangel Gabriel (as) handing a compiled 114 chaptered Quran.

You guys are inventing a new religion from scratch using verses picked up from the Quran and using modern conventional language to understand the words used, brilliance i must say.

I saw many pictures from camels to human legs with Arabic names. Next you will add an illustrated Quran, that will be nice.

I am deeply saddened by the plight of the Muslims here, the Quran lays general rules and it is open to interpretation and refinement through explanations provided by the Holy Messenger (sawa), i am sure you are not that naive to assume that people did not go back to the Prophet (sawa) for clarification on Quranic verses which were unclear to them.

What if I say the Quran did not mention all the type of birds, can i deny the existence of the birds not mentioned in the Quran?

Mazhar

The same people you were talking about also compiled the Quran. The last time I read it was not Archangel Gabriel (as) handing a compiled 114 chaptered Quran.

You guys are inventing a new religion from scratch using verses picked up from the Quran and using modern conventional language to understand the words used, brilliance i must say.

I saw many pictures from camels to human legs with Arabic names. Next you will add an illustrated Quran, that will be nice.

I am deeply saddened by the plight of the Muslims here, the Quran lays general rules and it is open to interpretation and refinement through explanations provided by the Holy Messenger (sawa), i am sure you are not that naive to assume that people did not go back to the Prophet (sawa) for clarification on Quranic verses which were unclear to them.

What if I say the Quran did not mention all the type of birds, can i deny the existence of the birds not mentioned in the Quran?

Grand Qur'aan defines and classifies as to what the birds are. This definition and classification is final; same is in the 21st century classification of animal kingdom.

The questions that were asked are also mentioned in the Qur'aan and what explanation or response was given by the elevated universal Messenger sws is incorporated in Qur'aan.

None except Allah the Exalted and the Elevated Messenger compiled the Qur'aan.

Man_of_Faith

Salaam,

Rather discarding the Quran and living by intuition completely than following traditional Islam.

As long as you believe in God alone, eternal existence and act as a good person there is no problem at all. Quran was meant as a help to know a little bit more in depth how to be good. If you already follow basically (to the gist) what Jesus says in the corrupted Gospel, then there is nothing to fear. There is an unhealthy stigma around Quran for some reason.

It contains the same Message that was there all the time and not much to argue about. Focus is on behavior and deeds in case you had missed God's point.

The Torah, Psalms, Gospel and Quran were all signs from God and if you follow them for the betterment of your soul and mind then you grasped the Message. The Quran seems to be the only intact physical testament of God we have with us today, but the main purpose of them is to convince the intelligent that God exists and is for real.

But the meaning of the Quranic passages are corrupted, so even if Quran is intact we cannot fully trust what we read. Shaytaan could not corrupt the contents as God promised to keep one revelation uncorrupted, but instead he used man's weakness when it comes to distorting the Truth instead by twisting the meaning of the scripture's words. It is a different kind of corruption with Quran than the previous revelations and the fault is with humans.

But if you study all material you have especially the Quran you can clearly see that the most important aspect is YOU and your actions and conduct. I need not clarify more as it can easily be understood by studying the texts.

Whether Muhammad existed or not is irrelevant or whatever salat this ancient person did. We live in the 21st century and it is a new community and not Muhammad's. The prophet of Quran had his job and we have ours. He delivered the Quran and that was his service and he was probably rewarded for that.

If this Shia human worshiper wants to focus on his masters let him do that. But if he threatens you say that God suffices me. You need only God and His Message as guidance. Trust that God guides you straight. I am sure if you just put your absolute faith in Him alone He will prevent you from walking astray as long as you follow His Message of Peace.

God bless you

GODsubmitter