Salat According to the Quran and a Critical Remark
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Does the words in the Qur'an ending with the symbol should the last pronunciation be h for hotel or th for talk ?
What is the logic behind having two different symbols of one same pronunciation , i mean the bounded which is pronounced th and the openwhich is also pronounced th ?what is the logic behind ?
Waiting for your answers
Kindly refer to this section post 16
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605810.10 -
Welcome brother ,
I just notice a error in the graphic , salah l3ichaA finish at dusk not sun rise as per 1778
Thank you too for your pushing , bear in mind i study , learn and share same as you .
Thank you @Alkitab for taking the time to answer me.
I understood the correction in the graphic.
By the way, your posts are incredibly rich with graphics and explanations and those posts of yours are the ones from which I learn a lot.
God bless
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Salam All ,
For those who are still doubting that there is no salah during daylight time , as per 1778
The verses is clearly distinguishing between two times Night & Daylight
The kye to understand this is the two opposite expression
*** 1 - 3alyk = Upon you / over you / something you have to do ( upon those who believe ) ***
Against
*** 2 - Lak = For you / To you / for your favor / gift for you ***
What is Upon you and what is For you ?
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Any Periods of Nights you wish is upon you / 3alyk for salah (upon those who belive )And that is per
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Salah decreed-ed upon you / 3alyk ( upon those who believe )What is Maoukut
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What is for you
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The whole day/light is for you , for your favorExample for something for you
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The children are for you / For your favor
To be continued...Incha allah.
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Salaam best brother alkitab,
I have had problems ruling out daily prayers during daylight. Perhaps my sources and understanding has deceived me. I think even if they are not compulsory then at least they are expected out of pious believers.
God bless you
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Salaam best brother alkitab,
I have had problems ruling out daily prayers during daylight. Perhaps my sources and understanding has deceived me. I think even if they are not compulsory then at least they are expected out of pious believers.
God bless you
Salam Brother Man of Faith ,
Exactley it's not working during the day
The fact that the daylight is for life and personal occupation make perfect sens , naturally people are busy during the day , unlike during the night in which activity get reduced , but with today's way of life and entertainment especially in cities you make no difference between day & night
736 (Indeed, the hours of the night are more effective for concurrence , and more suitable for words.)
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Quote from Mazhar on Yesterday at 095154 am
What type of a noun isSalamun alaika, AlKitab.
Question remained unanswered since you concentrated on calligraphy-ta marbuta etc.
Salam Mazhar ,
If you still do not see any clarification in what i wrote and the conversation at the link below , then i recommend you kindly tell me what is your understanding and what noun are you looking for ? what do you find wrong in what i wrote ?
by the way what do you mean by
What type of a noun is
You do not know what type ? or you looking for something else ? be straight , go ahead .
Kindly refer to this section post 16
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605810.10 -
Salam, Alkitab,
Pl refer your preceding post.
I hope you remember wherefrom you had picked up the sentence and explained about it.
Quote from Man of Faith on September 29, 2013, 032734 am
Salaam,Perhaps this forum has made some further breakthroughs in understanding the Truth. Good work!
I had suspected for quite a while that the prayer is intended to be more of a meditation than the salat traditionalists perform. I had previously worked on making the salat less ritualistic and more about meditation and this may prove I was not doing wrong. It is true that concentration is very important during salat, and the counting and moves distract the practitioner quite much. Focus on what you are really intended to do with the salat instead, like establishing a connection.
God bless you
I raised the querry in this regard
What type of a noun is
How can it be related to meditation?
Have you seen some stupid fellow meditating while standing still on two feet?
Leave it aside.
You may enlighten me about its formation. What I see seems Waw of Root is retained, its vowel is omitted; dagger alif is placed on sakin waw, and then Ta marboota is added perhaps to indicate that waw and not Ya is the original consonant of the root.Can you please help by elaborating the rules for in respect of nouns of Roots with last radical Waw?
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The ones who invented the ritual Salat are the same ones who invented the story of Muhammad riding the winged horse to the 7th Heaven and receiving the prayer obligation.
The same people you were talking about also compiled the Quran. The last time I read it was not Archangel Gabriel (as) handing a compiled 114 chaptered Quran.
You guys are inventing a new religion from scratch using verses picked up from the Quran and using modern conventional language to understand the words used, brilliance i must say.
I saw many pictures from camels to human legs with Arabic names. Next you will add an illustrated Quran, that will be nice.
I am deeply saddened by the plight of the Muslims here, the Quran lays general rules and it is open to interpretation and refinement through explanations provided by the Holy Messenger (sawa), i am sure you are not that naive to assume that people did not go back to the Prophet (sawa) for clarification on Quranic verses which were unclear to them.
What if I say the Quran did not mention all the type of birds, can i deny the existence of the birds not mentioned in the Quran?
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The same people you were talking about also compiled the Quran. The last time I read it was not Archangel Gabriel (as) handing a compiled 114 chaptered Quran.
You guys are inventing a new religion from scratch using verses picked up from the Quran and using modern conventional language to understand the words used, brilliance i must say.
I saw many pictures from camels to human legs with Arabic names. Next you will add an illustrated Quran, that will be nice.
I am deeply saddened by the plight of the Muslims here, the Quran lays general rules and it is open to interpretation and refinement through explanations provided by the Holy Messenger (sawa), i am sure you are not that naive to assume that people did not go back to the Prophet (sawa) for clarification on Quranic verses which were unclear to them.
What if I say the Quran did not mention all the type of birds, can i deny the existence of the birds not mentioned in the Quran?
Grand Qur'aan defines and classifies as to what the birds are. This definition and classification is final; same is in the 21st century classification of animal kingdom.
The questions that were asked are also mentioned in the Qur'aan and what explanation or response was given by the elevated universal Messenger sws is incorporated in Qur'aan.
None except Allah the Exalted and the Elevated Messenger compiled the Qur'aan.
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Salaam,
Rather discarding the Quran and living by intuition completely than following traditional Islam.
As long as you believe in God alone, eternal existence and act as a good person there is no problem at all. Quran was meant as a help to know a little bit more in depth how to be good. If you already follow basically (to the gist) what Jesus says in the corrupted Gospel, then there is nothing to fear. There is an unhealthy stigma around Quran for some reason.
It contains the same Message that was there all the time and not much to argue about. Focus is on behavior and deeds in case you had missed God's point.
The Torah, Psalms, Gospel and Quran were all signs from God and if you follow them for the betterment of your soul and mind then you grasped the Message. The Quran seems to be the only intact physical testament of God we have with us today, but the main purpose of them is to convince the intelligent that God exists and is for real.
But the meaning of the Quranic passages are corrupted, so even if Quran is intact we cannot fully trust what we read. Shaytaan could not corrupt the contents as God promised to keep one revelation uncorrupted, but instead he used man's weakness when it comes to distorting the Truth instead by twisting the meaning of the scripture's words. It is a different kind of corruption with Quran than the previous revelations and the fault is with humans.
But if you study all material you have especially the Quran you can clearly see that the most important aspect is YOU and your actions and conduct. I need not clarify more as it can easily be understood by studying the texts.
Whether Muhammad existed or not is irrelevant or whatever salat this ancient person did. We live in the 21st century and it is a new community and not Muhammad's. The prophet of Quran had his job and we have ours. He delivered the Quran and that was his service and he was probably rewarded for that.
If this Shia human worshiper wants to focus on his masters let him do that. But if he threatens you say that God suffices me. You need only God and His Message as guidance. Trust that God guides you straight. I am sure if you just put your absolute faith in Him alone He will prevent you from walking astray as long as you follow His Message of Peace.
God bless you
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Salaam,
Rather discarding the Quran and living by intuition completely than following traditional Islam.
As long as you believe in God alone, eternal existence and act as a good person there is no problem at all. Quran was meant as a help to know a little bit more in depth how to be good. If you already follow basically (to the gist) what Jesus says in the corrupted Gospel, then there is nothing to fear. There is an unhealthy stigma around Quran for some reason.
It contains the same Message that was there all the time and not much to argue about. Focus is on behavior and deeds in case you had missed God's point.
The Torah, Psalms, Gospel and Quran were all signs from God and if you follow them for the betterment of your soul and mind then you grasped the Message. The Quran seems to be the only intact physical testament of God we have with us today, but the main purpose of them is to convince the intelligent that God exists and is for real.
But the meaning of the Quranic passages are corrupted, so even if Quran is intact we cannot fully trust what we read. Shaytaan could not corrupt the contents as God promised to keep one revelation uncorrupted, but instead he used man's weakness when it comes to distorting the Truth instead by twisting the meaning of the scripture's words. It is a different kind of corruption with Quran than the previous revelations and the fault is with humans.
But if you study all material you have especially the Quran you can clearly see that the most important aspect is YOU and your actions and conduct. I need not clarify more as it can easily be understood by studying the texts.
Whether Muhammad existed or not is irrelevant or whatever salat this ancient person did. We live in the 21st century and it is a new community and not Muhammad's. The prophet of Quran had his job and we have ours. He delivered the Quran and that was his service and he was probably rewarded for that.
If this Shia human worshiper wants to focus on his masters let him do that. But if he threatens you say that God suffices me. You need only God and His Message as guidance. Trust that God guides you straight. I am sure if you just put your absolute faith in Him alone He will prevent you from walking astray as long as you follow His Message of Peace.
God bless you
Brilliant post!
Thank you
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Salaam,
Rather discarding the Quran and living by intuition completely than following traditional Islam.
As long as you believe in God alone, eternal existence and act as a good person there is no problem at all. Quran was meant as a help to know a little bit more in depth how to be good. If you already follow basically (to the gist) what Jesus says in the corrupted Gospel, then there is nothing to fear. There is an unhealthy stigma around Quran for some reason.
It contains the same Message that was there all the time and not much to argue about. Focus is on behavior and deeds in case you had missed God's point.
The Torah, Psalms, Gospel and Quran were all signs from God and if you follow them for the betterment of your soul and mind then you grasped the Message. The Quran seems to be the only intact physical testament of God we have with us today, but the main purpose of them is to convince the intelligent that God exists and is for real.
But the meaning of the Quranic passages are corrupted, so even if Quran is intact we cannot fully trust what we read. Shaytaan could not corrupt the contents as God promised to keep one revelation uncorrupted, but instead he used man's weakness when it comes to distorting the Truth instead by twisting the meaning of the scripture's words. It is a different kind of corruption with Quran than the previous revelations and the fault is with humans.
But if you study all material you have especially the Quran you can clearly see that the most important aspect is YOU and your actions and conduct. I need not clarify more as it can easily be understood by studying the texts.
Whether Muhammad existed or not is irrelevant or whatever salat this ancient person did. We live in the 21st century and it is a new community and not Muhammad's. The prophet of Quran had his job and we have ours. He delivered the Quran and that was his service and he was probably rewarded for that.
If this Shia human worshiper wants to focus on his masters let him do that. But if he threatens you say that God suffices me. You need only God and His Message as guidance. Trust that God guides you straight. I am sure if you just put your absolute faith in Him alone He will prevent you from walking astray as long as you follow His Message of Peace.
God bless you
What makes you to believe that this Qur'aan is the word of Allah the Exalted; and not of Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam as many people suggest and also finds mention of this allegation in Qur'aan itself?
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I am deeply saddened by the plight of the Muslims here, the Quran lays general rules and it is open to interpretation and refinement through explanations provided by the Holy Messenger (sawa), i am sure you are not that naive to assume that people did not go back to the Prophet (sawa) for clarification on Quranic verses which were unclear to them.
Can you please provide for us NABI MUHAMMAD'S FULL AND COMPREHENSIVE EXPLANATION OF THE QURAN?
Where is such an explanation? Is it to be found in the contradictory books of tradition and "tafseer" that the Shias and Sunnis resort to?
Go now and visit any Islamic library, and you will found 100 different tafseers of the Quran. You will find, among others
Tafseer Ibn Katheer
Tafseer Qurtubi
Tafseer Jalalayn
Tafseer al-Razi
Tafseer al-Tabtabaiy
Tafseer Sayyed Qutb
Tafseer al-Shirazi
Tafseer al-Tabari
Tafseer Ibn Mas3oudAnd the list goes on and on. What is the purpose of all these "tafseer" references, as you call them? And why do they all contradict each other? If Muhammad (P) did indeed explain the Quran, as you are claiming, then what is the need for all these others? Should they not all be discarded to the garbage can?
Failure to produce the so-called TAFSEER Al-NABI MUHAMMAD is a testament to the falsehood uttered by the sectarians, who have resorted to references penned down by men, centuries after Muhammad's day and age, transmitted through word-of-mouth hearsay that no sane mind can accept. Your so-called "science of hadeeth" is a farce, and an insult to human intelligence.
The same people you were talking about also compiled the Quran.
They did no such thing. All they did was make commentaries on it and place the dialectic marks over its silent letters.
i am sure you are not that naive to assume that people did not go back to the Prophet (sawa) for clarification on Quranic verses which were unclear to them.
They didn't need to, because the Quran was revealed in their own tongue; and not in some foreign, alien language that needed a translator. As for the symbolic and metaphoric signs in the Quran, the Quran ITSELF tells us that we should ponder over their meanings, and reflect, and that not all people are equal in intellect. And this command to ponder and reflect is as much valid today as it was during the era of the Quran's revelation (which I am beginning to seriously doubt was the 7th Century to begin with). The claim that Muhammad gave the final and full interpretation of the Quran defeats the purpose of Allah's commands.
Regards.
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Salaam,
No. I do not believe that the Quran was Muhammad's own words. He delivered a Message and was a delivery boy, even though a special kind.
Muhammad wrote Quran's passages, but it is narration from God.
What Muhammad was instructed to say was explicitly told in Quran and he did not just say anything. God helped Muhammad how he could reach the contemporary people.
Quran remains as a good testament still as of today and can be used for help on how to be as a human being.
God bless you
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Salam, Alkitab,
Pl refer your preceding post.
I hope you remember wherefrom you had picked up the sentence and explained about it.
I raised the querry in this regard
Leave it aside.
You may enlighten me about its formation. What I see seems Waw of Root is retained, its vowel is omitted; dagger alif is placed on sakin waw, and then Ta marboota is added perhaps to indicate that waw and not Ya is the original consonant of the root.Can you please help by elaborating the rules for in respect of nouns of Roots with last radical Waw?
Salam Mazhar ,
We will be discussing this further incha allah with brother al-amiyr .
follow the link below post 17
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605810.10 -
Salaam,
No. I do not believe that the Quran was Muhammad's own words. He delivered a Message and was a delivery boy, even though a special kind.
Muhammad wrote Quran's passages, but it is narration from God.
What Muhammad was instructed to say was explicitly told in Quran and he did not just say anything. God helped Muhammad how he could reach the contemporary people.
Quran remains as a good testament still as of today and can be used for help on how to be as a human being.
God bless you
So you recognize the person who delivered the Qur'aan. My post you responded above was for this comment of you
Whether Muhammad existed or not is irrelevant or whatever salat this ancient person did. We live in the 21st century and it is a new community and not Muhammad's. The prophet of Quran had his job and we have ours. He delivered the Quran and that was his service and he was probably rewarded for that.
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Salaam,
Well. It is because otherwise some people here shovel the question if Muhammad existed or not at me and it was irrelevant to my commentary.
God bless you
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They didn't need to, because the Quran was revealed in their own tongue; and not in some foreign, alien language that needed a translator.
Being in Arabic alone is NOT sufficient, you must understand the context and purpose of a particular verse. Quran has apparent and hidden meanings, now if you dispute hidden meaning, Aleef Laam Meem, what is the meaning of that word?
Even at the apparent level, it is not possible for people during the time of the Prophet (sawa) to have completely understood its meaning and significance. I am shocked at the hight of ignorance, how can you deny the fact that people went to the Prophet (sawa) to seek clarification. People have different levels of understanding. Many were illiterate during that time and may not understand the Quranic verses.
As for the issue of the existence of conflicting tafseer, this is largely due to the political upheaval that the Muslims faced, infighting and bloodshed was at its height and thanks to the Ummayad tyrants, they murdered many people of knowledge and prevented people from approaching the Ahlul Bayt. All these contributed towards the apparent division amongst Muslims.
Even amongst Quranists there is a difference of interpretation, so humans are not robots and this is a fact well acknowledged by the Prophet (sawa) while keeping in mind that he wanted to maintain uniformity in certain key aspects of the religion.
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Whether Muhammad existed or not is irrelevant or whatever salat this ancient person did. We live in the 21st century and it is a new community and not Muhammad's. The prophet of Quran had his job and we have ours. He delivered the Quran and that was his service and he was probably rewarded for that.
Are you Muslim? If a person claiming to follow the Quran and has no love or connecting to the Holy Messenger (sawa) then he is not from his community.
You are cut off from his community. May Allah curse those who bear grudges against his best creation Muhammad Al-Mustafa (sawa)