Invitation to join the debate at faihfreedom.org
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Peace be upon you Brother Edip,
Invitation accepted.
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Peace all,
Over the years, I've witnessed many challenges to Ali Sina and his crew, by renowned Islamic scholars and spiritual individuals alike (Dr. Kamran, Dr. Ahmed, Dr. Farhad, Dr. Harun, Dr. Zakir, Dr. Muzzamil, 19ers, Abdullah Noor, Layla, Tamir, Dr. Hussein, etc.) whether Quranists and/or haditihists, NONE thus-so-far has been a real challenge to Ali Sina, and all in conclusion, simply backed out and arressted their cases, some to the degree of frustration and disgust. Many debates with the 'faithful' are still ongoing.
Perhaps Kyle, with his SYMBOLISM, NAMELESS/TITLELESS IDEAS and "CONTROLLED THOUGHTS", might take the "tug-of-war" with Ali Sina to its next level. Just my thoughts!!!
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Peace be upon you,
Who is "Ali Sina"?
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Peace,
Ali Sina would get ripped up if he came to this forum
Well then, why don't you or anyone else invite him to this forum, if he is willing. Or better yet, rip him on his own grounds. It is far said than done.
I've known Edip persoanlly and am following his debate with Ali Sina. GOD willing, he'll put Ali Sina to shame. Edip is a wonderful talented person, a gentleman in every respect. A couple of his students/fellow countrymen are my good friends.
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peace be upon you,
Peace,
Ali Sina would get ripped up if he came to this forum
Well then, why don't you or anyone else invite him to this forum, if he is willing. Or better yet, rip him on his own grounds. It is far said than done.
I've known Edip persoanlly and am following his debate with Ali Sina. GOD willing, he'll put Ali Sina to shame. Edip is a wonderful talented person, a gentleman in every respect. A couple of his students/fellow countrymen are my good friends.
i'd be willing to participate in his forum, first i need to reup my knowledge on the history of Bukhari and Co.'s collection and so forth, as seems to be the topic of his debate with Edip, but I'll invite him to the forum if i get a chance
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Peace be upon you,
I'm over there planting seeds now. There is so much work to be done.
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Peace to every one here about ali sena i have to say few thing when i visit his site its like talking with a sunni or shia clerk who is angry calling names and specially practice hate in his site n i think he is a slave to his ego but i,m following his n edips disscussion n i think edip is really doing great there may God increase our knowledge peace
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Peace Kyle,
Peace be upon you,
I'm over there planting seeds now. There is so much work to be done.
You must first plant relevant seeds, otherwise the seeds will be gobbled by the insects within, before it plants.
Anyhow, GOD be with you.
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Salaam family,
GOD Willing, I will make my way to the faithfreedom forum and join my brothers in battle against the ignorance that is known as Ali Sina.
I must say though that I have known of Ali Sina and his website for a long time now and the reason that I have never pursued debating with him myself is because he is RULED by hate, ignorance, close-mindedness, mis-information and above all irrationality. THIS is the reason that people have simply given up and left him alone. Not because he is so knowledgable that he rips people apart, but because he is so ignorant, misinformed and irrational that most people realized that it's not even worth it.
You can debate and argue with him until you are blue in the face, but if his mind is made up, then there is absolutely nothing any of us can do to make him see the light. His mind is made up and GOD has sealed his heart!! Ali Sina has a position that he's not budging from so when he debates, he's not debating to search for truth, he's debating to legitimize his own crooked views and de-legitmize everyone elses.
Salaam People.
GOD Alone/Quran Alone,
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Peace be upon you Danish,
You must first plant relevant seeds, otherwise the seeds will be gobbled by the insects within, before it plants.
Yes seeds can be destroyed by other plants/weeds which are those OUT OF CONTROL/WILD (uncontrolled thoughts) or the animals can eat them (emotions are that which ANIMATES you).
Thank you for the good advice, I am well aware of the symbolisms. It is the language of SYMBOLISM that breaks the language barriers.
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Peace all,
Over the years, I've witnessed many challenges to Ali Sina and his crew, by renowned Islamic scholars and spiritual individuals alike (Dr. Kamran, Dr. Ahmed, Dr. Farhad, Dr. Harun, Dr. Zakir, Dr. Muzzamil, 19ers, Abdullah Noor, Layla, Tamir, Dr. Hussein, etc.) whether Quranists and/or haditihists, NONE thus-so-far has been a real challenge to Ali Sina, and all in conclusion, simply backed out and arressted their cases, some to the degree of frustration and disgust. Many debates with the 'faithful' are still ongoing.
Perhaps Kyle, with his SYMBOLISM, NAMELESS/TITLELESS IDEAS and "CONTROLLED THOUGHTS", might take the "tug-of-war" with Ali Sina to its next level. Just my thoughts!!!
Peace,
Ali Sina has backed down to the one man he knows him better than himself and has already lost to him debate (then he crashed his forum to cover it up, good job murtadd). Just take a visit to examinethetruth.com to see what I mean.
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Peace,
Peace be upon you Danish,
You must first plant relevant seeds, otherwise the seeds will be gobbled by the insects within, before it plants.
Yes seeds can be destroyed by other plants/weeds which are those OUT OF CONTROL/WILD (uncontrolled thoughts) or the animals can eat them (emotions are that which ANIMATES you).
Kyle, could you care to explain in plain English what my SYMBOLISM represented as quoted by me above. The reason for asking is because I don't think you really understood by what I meant since you counter-labeled me, but I could be wrong.
Thank you for the good advice, I am well aware of the symbolisms. It is the language of SYMBOLISM that breaks the language barriers.
I can very well understand that. Symbolisms are not that easy to understand and perpetuate as you sound. Several factors govern the solid, meaningful and truthful interpretations of them by virute of reason, knowledge and wisdom.
By the way, you're rockin' at faithfreedom, and so is Joe, Idris, Damon, Mirror-of-Truth and others.
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Peace,
Peace all,
Over the years, I've witnessed many challenges to Ali Sina and his crew, by renowned Islamic scholars and spiritual individuals alike (Dr. Kamran, Dr. Ahmed, Dr. Farhad, Dr. Harun, Dr. Zakir, Dr. Muzzamil, 19ers, Abdullah Noor, Layla, Tamir, Dr. Hussein, etc.) whether Quranists and/or haditihists, NONE thus-so-far has been a real challenge to Ali Sina, and all in conclusion, simply backed out and arressted their cases, some to the degree of frustration and disgust. Many debates with the 'faithful' are still ongoing.
Perhaps Kyle, with his SYMBOLISM, NAMELESS/TITLELESS IDEAS and "CONTROLLED THOUGHTS", might take the "tug-of-war" with Ali Sina to its next level. Just my thoughts!!!
Peace,
Ali Sina has backed down to the one man he knows him better than himself and has already lost to him debate (then he crashed his forum to cover it up, good job murtadd). Just take a visit to examinethetruth.com to see what I mean.
This is just the begining, my friend. Neither one has lost nor won, at least not yet.
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Peace be upon you Danish,
Kyle, could you care to explain in plain English what my SYMBOLISM represented as quoted by me above. The reason for asking is because I don't think you really understood by what I meant since you counter-labeled me, but I could be wrong.
My apologies, I thougt you were stating that my points(seeds0 were not relevant. Please explain to me the proper understanding of what you wrote.
By the way, you're rockin' at faithfreedom, and so is Joe, Idris, Damon, Mirror-of-Truth and others.
Thank you
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Peace brother Edip, all,
I started a debate with Ali Sina of faithfreedom.org at the forum of that site. The site as it appears, have many Evangelical Christians disguised as agnostics.
Ali Sina and his followers have a lot in common with Sunnis and hence many of the same arguments against Sunnis work very well against them. They both have faith in Hadiths because they believe that they represent what really happened. They despise Mullahs and yet they happily and blindly accept their preconceived interpretation of the great reading and do not question it. At heart, the rejecters are indeed alike.
Peace and all best wishes,
Ayman
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Peace,
Peace all,
Over the years, I've witnessed many challenges to Ali Sina and his crew, by renowned Islamic scholars and spiritual individuals alike (Dr. Kamran, Dr. Ahmed, Dr. Farhad, Dr. Harun, Dr. Zakir, Dr. Muzzamil, 19ers, Abdullah Noor, Layla, Tamir, Dr. Hussein, etc.) whether Quranists and/or haditihists, NONE thus-so-far has been a real challenge to Ali Sina, and all in conclusion, simply backed out and arressted their cases, some to the degree of frustration and disgust. Many debates with the 'faithful' are still ongoing.
Perhaps Kyle, with his SYMBOLISM, NAMELESS/TITLELESS IDEAS and "CONTROLLED THOUGHTS", might take the "tug-of-war" with Ali Sina to its next level. Just my thoughts!!!
Peace,
Ali Sina has backed down to the one man he knows him better than himself and has already lost to him debate (then he crashed his forum to cover it up, good job murtadd). Just take a visit to examinethetruth.com to see what I mean.
This is just the begining, my friend. Neither one has lost nor won, at least not yet.
Oh its been over for a while. He lost when he tried to back up an arguement that the Prophet ordered the Library of Alexandria destroyed.
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Peace Ayman,
Ali Sina and his followers have a lot in common with Sunnis and hence many of the same arguments against Sunnis work very well against them. They both have faith in Hadiths because they believe that they represent what really happened. They despise Mullahs and yet they happily and blindly accept their preconceived interpretation of the great reading and do not question it. At heart, the rejecters are indeed alike.
EXCELLENT POINT AYMAN!! This is what I have been saying about the people at faithfreedom all along!! You hit the hammer right on the head of the nail.
Peace Danish
By the way, you're rockin' at faithfreedom, and so is Joe, Idris, Damon, Mirror-of-Truth and others
I've noticed your posts there as well. You rock too bro.
Salaam Family.
GOD Alone/Quran Alone,
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Peace Kyle,
Kyle, could you care to explain in plain English what my SYMBOLISM represented as quoted by me above. The reason for asking is because I don't think you really understood by what I meant since you counter-labeled me, but I could be wrong.
My apologies, I thougt you were stating that my points(seeds0 were not relevant. Please explain to me the proper understanding of what you wrote.
Your points are quite relevant and perhaps need more emphasis to better understand. What I meant was to "be carefull in what you say and how you start off with infidels, for the insects, meaning, the people of faithfreedom can devour your "controlled thoughts" from every angle, not being able to understand and contemplate to your reasonings, specially when they are anew and addressed to "greenpies", as being witnessed." As an example, the rebuttle of Denis and the like. Hope I'm clear.
By the way, you're rockin' at faithfreedom, and so is Joe, Idris, Damon, Mirror-of-Truth and others.
Thank you D
GOD Bless.