Invitation to join the debate at faihfreedom.org
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Peace to every one here about ali sena i have to say few thing when i visit his site its like talking with a sunni or shia clerk who is angry calling names and specially practice hate in his site n i think he is a slave to his ego but i,m following his n edips disscussion n i think edip is really doing great there may God increase our knowledge peace
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Peace Kyle,
Peace be upon you,
I'm over there planting seeds now. There is so much work to be done.
You must first plant relevant seeds, otherwise the seeds will be gobbled by the insects within, before it plants.
Anyhow, GOD be with you.
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Salaam family,
GOD Willing, I will make my way to the faithfreedom forum and join my brothers in battle against the ignorance that is known as Ali Sina.
I must say though that I have known of Ali Sina and his website for a long time now and the reason that I have never pursued debating with him myself is because he is RULED by hate, ignorance, close-mindedness, mis-information and above all irrationality. THIS is the reason that people have simply given up and left him alone. Not because he is so knowledgable that he rips people apart, but because he is so ignorant, misinformed and irrational that most people realized that it's not even worth it.
You can debate and argue with him until you are blue in the face, but if his mind is made up, then there is absolutely nothing any of us can do to make him see the light. His mind is made up and GOD has sealed his heart!! Ali Sina has a position that he's not budging from so when he debates, he's not debating to search for truth, he's debating to legitimize his own crooked views and de-legitmize everyone elses.
Salaam People.
GOD Alone/Quran Alone,
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Peace be upon you Danish,
You must first plant relevant seeds, otherwise the seeds will be gobbled by the insects within, before it plants.
Yes seeds can be destroyed by other plants/weeds which are those OUT OF CONTROL/WILD (uncontrolled thoughts) or the animals can eat them (emotions are that which ANIMATES you).
Thank you for the good advice, I am well aware of the symbolisms. It is the language of SYMBOLISM that breaks the language barriers.
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Peace all,
Over the years, I've witnessed many challenges to Ali Sina and his crew, by renowned Islamic scholars and spiritual individuals alike (Dr. Kamran, Dr. Ahmed, Dr. Farhad, Dr. Harun, Dr. Zakir, Dr. Muzzamil, 19ers, Abdullah Noor, Layla, Tamir, Dr. Hussein, etc.) whether Quranists and/or haditihists, NONE thus-so-far has been a real challenge to Ali Sina, and all in conclusion, simply backed out and arressted their cases, some to the degree of frustration and disgust. Many debates with the 'faithful' are still ongoing.
Perhaps Kyle, with his SYMBOLISM, NAMELESS/TITLELESS IDEAS and "CONTROLLED THOUGHTS", might take the "tug-of-war" with Ali Sina to its next level. Just my thoughts!!!
Peace,
Ali Sina has backed down to the one man he knows him better than himself and has already lost to him debate (then he crashed his forum to cover it up, good job murtadd). Just take a visit to examinethetruth.com to see what I mean.
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Peace,
Peace be upon you Danish,
You must first plant relevant seeds, otherwise the seeds will be gobbled by the insects within, before it plants.
Yes seeds can be destroyed by other plants/weeds which are those OUT OF CONTROL/WILD (uncontrolled thoughts) or the animals can eat them (emotions are that which ANIMATES you).
Kyle, could you care to explain in plain English what my SYMBOLISM represented as quoted by me above. The reason for asking is because I don't think you really understood by what I meant since you counter-labeled me, but I could be wrong.
Thank you for the good advice, I am well aware of the symbolisms. It is the language of SYMBOLISM that breaks the language barriers.
I can very well understand that. Symbolisms are not that easy to understand and perpetuate as you sound. Several factors govern the solid, meaningful and truthful interpretations of them by virute of reason, knowledge and wisdom.
By the way, you're rockin' at faithfreedom, and so is Joe, Idris, Damon, Mirror-of-Truth and others.
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Peace,
Peace all,
Over the years, I've witnessed many challenges to Ali Sina and his crew, by renowned Islamic scholars and spiritual individuals alike (Dr. Kamran, Dr. Ahmed, Dr. Farhad, Dr. Harun, Dr. Zakir, Dr. Muzzamil, 19ers, Abdullah Noor, Layla, Tamir, Dr. Hussein, etc.) whether Quranists and/or haditihists, NONE thus-so-far has been a real challenge to Ali Sina, and all in conclusion, simply backed out and arressted their cases, some to the degree of frustration and disgust. Many debates with the 'faithful' are still ongoing.
Perhaps Kyle, with his SYMBOLISM, NAMELESS/TITLELESS IDEAS and "CONTROLLED THOUGHTS", might take the "tug-of-war" with Ali Sina to its next level. Just my thoughts!!!
Peace,
Ali Sina has backed down to the one man he knows him better than himself and has already lost to him debate (then he crashed his forum to cover it up, good job murtadd). Just take a visit to examinethetruth.com to see what I mean.
This is just the begining, my friend. Neither one has lost nor won, at least not yet.
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Peace be upon you Danish,
Kyle, could you care to explain in plain English what my SYMBOLISM represented as quoted by me above. The reason for asking is because I don't think you really understood by what I meant since you counter-labeled me, but I could be wrong.
My apologies, I thougt you were stating that my points(seeds0 were not relevant. Please explain to me the proper understanding of what you wrote.
By the way, you're rockin' at faithfreedom, and so is Joe, Idris, Damon, Mirror-of-Truth and others.
Thank you
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Peace brother Edip, all,
I started a debate with Ali Sina of faithfreedom.org at the forum of that site. The site as it appears, have many Evangelical Christians disguised as agnostics.
Ali Sina and his followers have a lot in common with Sunnis and hence many of the same arguments against Sunnis work very well against them. They both have faith in Hadiths because they believe that they represent what really happened. They despise Mullahs and yet they happily and blindly accept their preconceived interpretation of the great reading and do not question it. At heart, the rejecters are indeed alike.
Peace and all best wishes,
Ayman
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Peace,
Peace all,
Over the years, I've witnessed many challenges to Ali Sina and his crew, by renowned Islamic scholars and spiritual individuals alike (Dr. Kamran, Dr. Ahmed, Dr. Farhad, Dr. Harun, Dr. Zakir, Dr. Muzzamil, 19ers, Abdullah Noor, Layla, Tamir, Dr. Hussein, etc.) whether Quranists and/or haditihists, NONE thus-so-far has been a real challenge to Ali Sina, and all in conclusion, simply backed out and arressted their cases, some to the degree of frustration and disgust. Many debates with the 'faithful' are still ongoing.
Perhaps Kyle, with his SYMBOLISM, NAMELESS/TITLELESS IDEAS and "CONTROLLED THOUGHTS", might take the "tug-of-war" with Ali Sina to its next level. Just my thoughts!!!
Peace,
Ali Sina has backed down to the one man he knows him better than himself and has already lost to him debate (then he crashed his forum to cover it up, good job murtadd). Just take a visit to examinethetruth.com to see what I mean.
This is just the begining, my friend. Neither one has lost nor won, at least not yet.
Oh its been over for a while. He lost when he tried to back up an arguement that the Prophet ordered the Library of Alexandria destroyed.
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Peace Ayman,
Ali Sina and his followers have a lot in common with Sunnis and hence many of the same arguments against Sunnis work very well against them. They both have faith in Hadiths because they believe that they represent what really happened. They despise Mullahs and yet they happily and blindly accept their preconceived interpretation of the great reading and do not question it. At heart, the rejecters are indeed alike.
EXCELLENT POINT AYMAN!! This is what I have been saying about the people at faithfreedom all along!! You hit the hammer right on the head of the nail.
Peace Danish
By the way, you're rockin' at faithfreedom, and so is Joe, Idris, Damon, Mirror-of-Truth and others
I've noticed your posts there as well. You rock too bro.
Salaam Family.
GOD Alone/Quran Alone,
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Peace Kyle,
Kyle, could you care to explain in plain English what my SYMBOLISM represented as quoted by me above. The reason for asking is because I don't think you really understood by what I meant since you counter-labeled me, but I could be wrong.
My apologies, I thougt you were stating that my points(seeds0 were not relevant. Please explain to me the proper understanding of what you wrote.
Your points are quite relevant and perhaps need more emphasis to better understand. What I meant was to "be carefull in what you say and how you start off with infidels, for the insects, meaning, the people of faithfreedom can devour your "controlled thoughts" from every angle, not being able to understand and contemplate to your reasonings, specially when they are anew and addressed to "greenpies", as being witnessed." As an example, the rebuttle of Denis and the like. Hope I'm clear.
By the way, you're rockin' at faithfreedom, and so is Joe, Idris, Damon, Mirror-of-Truth and others.
Thank you D
GOD Bless.
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Peace Danish
By the way, you're rockin' at faithfreedom, and so is Joe, Idris, Damon, Mirror-of-Truth and others
I've noticed your posts there as well. You rock too bro. D
Thanks Damon for the jesture. I wish I had the "keystrokes" to refute their revolting claims. Nevertheless, my helping hand, insha-Allah, will not go in vain, every now and then. Either way and no matter how hard anyone of us tries to accomodate our views as per the Quran, its imperative that the majority of the disbelievers would revere with thier mind sets.
When the tough gets going.....and I'm here to support the truth, viz-a-viz my understandings, alhamdu-lillah.
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Peace Ayman, all
Peace brother Edip, all,
Can you explain how Edip is your brother when his serving other than The God(Rashad, code 19) is well known and proven time and again?
Arent we forbiden from befriending the rejecters, those who serve partners, those who invent and attribute lies to The God and dividers of the scripture into parts...arent we forbiden from befreinding those in whose hearts is perversity and who follow the ambiguous parts of the scripture attaching their own interpretation to it?
How it is that we reject Hadith and tolerate Neohadith...
How it is that we reject the old hadithers and accept neohadithers in our brotherhood?
How Edip Yuksel who is constant and persevering in his idolising of Rashad and propagation of his discovery,his Hadith and Sunna, is any better from any leader, ulama, mula, imam, guru of any other sect who has blinded himself and his crowd?
Fellow free-minders, please do not say that he doesnt folow Rashad blindly...neither the traditional ulama follow Bukhari or any other hadith book blindly....
Bukhari himself has rejected 99% of Hadith corpse, thus Edip
s rejection of 99% of Rashads Hadith doesnt make him in any way less idolater and blasphemer......brothers do not accept this neotroian horse better known under the name code 19
berst wishes, Zlatan
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Edip is also the author of an article that claims that hell is not forever...and the knowlegeable people know this is the root of disobedience to The Creator!!! (see 323-24, see also 280-82)
Praise be to Him who revealed the scripture and embeded the knowledge in it!!!
223-24(The great reading)
Have you not observed those who were given something of the scripture being invited to The God?s scripture to judge between them, then a group of them turns away while they are adverse?
That is because they said ?The Fire will not touch us except a counted number of days,? what they were invented have decieved them in their religion/way of life/obligation/"deen".
280-82 (The great reading)
And they said ?The Fire will not touch us except for a counted number of days.? Say ?Have you taken a pledge with The God? If so, then The God will not break His pledge. Or do you say about The God what you do not know??
Indeed, whoever gains a sin, and is surrounded by his mistakes; those are the people of the Fire, in it they abide eternally.
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Peace be upon you brother Zlatan,
Please continue to list the PHILOSOPHIES of an otherwise good meaning human so that we can all see clearly the mistake that is being made by ALLYING with a group (even though we claim we are NOT a group) whose driving force is shown clearly by thier name, 19.org.
Please be sure to add something to the thread on "God Alone Projects" as well.
I want to make sure that it is understood that it isNOT the man Edip Yuksel whom I reject, it is his incorrect philosophies that I reject.
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Peace brother Zlatan, all,
- O, you who had faith, if you separated in The God's sake, seek clarification, and do not say to those who offer the peace "You are not faithful". You desire the facet of the low life, but The God has many winnings, you were like them before, but The God conferred on you his favor, so seek clarification, indeed The God is fully informed of what you do.
The sign in 494 reminds me of where I was not too long ago. I do not know what is in the hearts of other people who offer peace. Hopefully, we are trying to be on the straight path. Some people are further along than others but it doesn't matter as long as there is progress. In this case, I can see some progress on the part of Edip.
I hope that 494 clarified where I am coming from.
Peace and all best wishes,
Ayman