What is Islam?
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Being truthful is not giving away to the poor some physical material say, money or other worldly things of pleasure. Before helping the poor with materials of this world, it is pertinent to know how to identify as to towards who Allah directs our charitable lives to turn to.
The obedience that a believer shall truthfully observe and abide by is, to spend in the cause of Allah in richness and in poverty from whatever they possess when a righteous situation demands.
Spending our lives in the cause of Allah, each one proving a word from Him in this world to help believe the poor ignorant people, is the truthful poor due upon us, in this life.
Salam
To a certain extent, the above conclusions might have some truth in it, but your explanation is deviating and does not explain the word "sadaqah" in the context of Sura (392) and (2219); i.e. our discussion.
Further, being "truthful" is more about doing from what you understand about life and its relation to the Qur'an. There is no target for becoming a True Muslim, and there is no need for us to copy what other peoples are doing or follow some motivational books without understanding and experiencing its true meaning (including the Qur'an - refer to 625 and 5577-79).
The struggling and going is the goal, and it doesn't matter where we start (or end), as long as we start somewhere and keep on improving our life and strengthening our faith.
How a child can grow into an adult within 1 year?
How to grow into timber trees from seeds within 24 hours?
It is not the Sunnatullah and there is no target for becoming a Muslim.
Hijab is not the actual requirement in the Qur'an.
The actual requirement in the Qur'an is for human beings to learn, understand, and reform continuously for the better (istiqamah - changes from within ourselves comes first - roots of a tree).
It is the process of understanding that matter, not the end results (comparison - how can one expect to be free from shirk within a short period of time? Impossible!).
Life and our understanding is a process, and so as how we should live "our lives in the cause of Allah".
It is a journey and there is "truthfulness" in every stage and situation of our life
.. as long we keep on improving and strengthening our faith according to the Qur'an.
Age Concept of Right/Wrong
70 Being absolutely right for the level of 70 years old person "
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60 Being absolutely right for the level of 60 years old person "
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50 Being absolutely right for the level of 50 years old person "
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40 Being absolutely right for the level of 40 years old person "
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30 Being absolutely right for the level of 30 years old person "
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20 Being absolutely right for the level of 20 years old person "
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10 Being absolutely right for the level of 10 years old person "
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1 Being absolutely right for the level of 1 year old baby <-- limited by our senses, abilities etc.Similarly, this can be applied to certain life conditions, psychological backgrounds, personal traits, ethnic, educational backgrounds, and etc. These are all variables, and the overall consequences are the Sunnatullah, Absolute Justice.
Therefore, does it really matter of being right or wrong?
Does the above pattern of being right or wrong really matters to Allah?
What about those who live 1,000 years ago, where there is no proper educational system, or where people unable to read the Qur'an? Can they survive and become a real Muslim? Can we apply the same concept of right or wrong?
What is the actual standard to become a Muslim?
There are no fixed rules, and it can be the hardest things to achieve, or it can be the simplest things to achieve; which totally depends on the "Level of Shirk" within ourselves.
Peace
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Muslims,
Peace392
By no means shall you attain righteousness unless you give of that which you love; and whatever you give, of a truth Allah knows it well.Note We love our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives, the wealth, the business and our houses. All these comprise our lives. And we love our lives much dearer than any other thing we possess. The life of people in this world is "But play and amusement, pomp and mutual boasting and multiplying among yourselves, riches and children". Love not all these but keep in your heart high above them all Allah, His Messengers, and your life in the cause of righteousness.
Sadaqa is wishing good. It is wishing righteousness, in the Name of Allah, the Guide. Thus by His grace you are elevated to a degree as a sign to others. And this is living the truthful life as ordained by Allah.
- We will deal next after we are finished with this. And all the rest of your post shall have to be dealt with later.
Peace
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392
By no means shall you attain righteousness unless you give of that which you love; and whatever you give, of a truth Allah knows it well.Note We love our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives, the wealth, the business and our houses. All these comprise our lives. And we love our lives much dearer than any other thing we possess. The life of people in this world is "But play and amusement, pomp and mutual boasting and multiplying among yourselves, riches and children". Love not all these but keep in your heart high above them all Allah, His Messengers, and your life in the cause of righteousness.
Sadaqa is wishing good. It is wishing righteousness, in the Name of Allah, the Guide. Thus by His grace you are elevated to a degree as a sign to others. And this is living the truthful life as ordained by Allah.
Salam
Below is the context of that ayat, and how Allah relates "gold", "ransom" and "spend" in the way of Allah; ie. love of gold (wealth) during our life and after death.
Indeed, those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers
never would the capacity of the earth in gold
be accepted from one of them
if he would ransom himself with it
For those there will be a painful punishment
and they will have no helpers
Never will you attain the good
until you spend
from that which you love
And whatever you spend
indeed, Allah is Knowing of it
(391-92)I believe the ayat is explaining the "love of wealth (money - gold, coin, paper money etc)". Therefore, how can it be interpreted to give "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives" in the way of Allah. They have their own free wills, and are responsible and accountable for themselves to Allah. We are not manager over them.
O you who have believed
upon you is yourselves
Those who have gone astray will not harm you when you have been guided
To Allah is you return all together
then He will inform you of what you used to do
(5105)(also refer to 4033)
Peace.
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Salam
Below is the context of that ayat, and how Allah relates "gold" hypno, "ransom" and "spend" in the way of Allah; ie. love of gold (wealth) during our life and after death.
Indeed, those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers
never would the capacity of the earth in gold
be accepted from one of them
if he would ransom himself with it
For those there will be a painful punishment
and they will have no helpers
Never will you attain the good
until you spend
from that which you love
And whatever you spend
indeed, Allah is Knowing of it
(391-92)I believe the ayat is explaining the "love of wealth (money - gold, coin, paper money etc)". Therefore, how can it be interpreted to give "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives" in the way of Allah. They have their own free wills, and are responsible and accountable for themselves to Allah. We are not manager over them.
O you who have believed
upon you is yourselves
Those who have gone astray will not harm you when you have been guided
To Allah is you return all together
then He will inform you of what you used to do
(5105)(also refer to 4033)
Peace
Salam
Firstly, with reference to the understanding of the contextual application of Quran, we need to remember and know the following
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Quran's ayats are not contradictory to each other.
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Every ayat is supportive of and contributory to any other ayat any where in Quran.
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Each ayat is explanatory to all times and all the events and all the occurrences of the past, present and future.
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Any ayat should clarify to each man as to what in truth is happening around him with reference to that which is happening around him; and with reference to his individual life.
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Accordingly, if Quran is a guidance to each individual from the beginning to the end of the world; and from birth to the death of each person, the context of any ayat is closely connected to each one's individualistic, and constantly changing situation of his life at any point of time; and his grade and degree of life he is living, from the heavens down to the earth.
I believe the ayat is explaining the "love of wealth (money - gold, coin, paper money etc)". Therefore, how can it be interpreted to give "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives" in the way of Allah. They have their own free wills, and are responsible and accountable for themselves to Allah. We are not manager over them.
'Give' shall not mean to you giving away in ransom, but put them all and you in His Trust if your belief is, "Allah is the Only Guide". Allah loves those who put their trust in Him. When Allah loves you, you are not at all deprived of His Abundance. Such showing the Truthful Guidance to the people around by being ourselves model first, is the spending of our life, our entire life in charity.
Peace.
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Salam
Firstly, with reference to the understanding of the contextual application of Quran, we need to remember and know the following
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Quran's ayats are not contradictory to each other.
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Every ayat is supportive of and contributory to any other ayat any where in Quran.
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Each ayat is explanatory to all times and all the events and all the occurrences of the past, present and future.
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Any ayat should clarify to each man as to what in truth is happening around him with reference to that which is happening around him; and with reference to his individual life.
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Accordingly, if Quran is a guidance to each individual from the beginning to the end of the world; and from birth to the death of each person, the context of any ayat is closely connected to each one's individualistic, and constantly changing situation of his life at any point of time; and his grade and degree of life he is living, from the heavens down to the earth.
'Give' shall not mean to you giving away in ransom, but put them all and you in His Trust if your belief is, "Allah is the Only Guide". Allah loves those who put their trust in Him. When Allah loves you, you are not at all deprived of His Abundance. Such showing the Truthful Guidance to the people around by being ourselves model first, is the spending of our life, our entire life in charity.
Peace.
RED is mine
Salam
I am discussing about Sura (391-92) and how Allah relates the word "spend" with "gold" and "love" (of wealth). I am not discussing about our entire "life" or the whole meaning of the Qur'an. The whole meaning of the Qur'an does not entirely depends on ayat (391-92) alone. Therefore we leave what is the meaning of the entire Qur'an and remain focuses on our discussion. As we can see, ayat (91) is the direct support for the meaning of ayat (92) and from these two ayats, the context "spend" and "love" is related to "gold". It is not related to "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives".
Therefore...
Therefore, how can it be interpreted to give "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives" in the way of Allah. They have their own free wills, and are responsible and accountable for themselves to Allah. We are not manager over them.
the context of any ayat is closely connected to each one's individualistic, and constantly changing situation of his life at any point of time; and his grade and degree of life he is living, from the heavens down to the earth.
There is a difference between "the context of the ayat" (Qur'anic context - words of Allah) and "what you may understood by it" (your context - your philosophy). This is what happened in the past, where the ulama are imposing their own context to the Qur'an, as it is the Qur'an (claiming absolute truth). Therefore, I believe your methodology or concept of interpretation that "the context of any ayat is closely connected to each one's individualistic" are contradicting the following ayats. It will cause deviation and division in the society since many peoples have many different interpretations of the Qur'an, according to their own desires (4523)(2543).
So direct your face toward the deen, inclining to truth
the fitrah of Allah upon which He has created people
No change should there be in the creation of Allah (deen)
That is the correct deen
but most of the people do not know
(3030)O you who have believed
DO NOT ask about things which
if they are shown to you
will distress you
But if you ask about them while the Qur'an is being revealed
they will be shown to you
Allah has pardoned that which is past
and Allah is Forgiving and Forbearing
(5101)And indeed, there is among them a party
who alter the Scripture
with their tongues
so you may think it is from the Scripture
but it is not from the Scripture
And they say, "This is from Allah ,"
but it is not from Allah
And they speak untruth about Allah while they know
(378)Peace
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Salam
Firstly, with reference to the understanding of the contextual application of Quran, we need to remember and know the following
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Quran's ayats are not contradictory to each other.
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Every ayat is supportive of and contributory to any other ayat any where in Quran.
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Each ayat is explanatory to all times and all the events and all the occurrences of the past, present and future.
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Any ayat should clarify to each man as to what in truth is happening around him with reference to that which is happening around him; and with reference to his individual life.
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Accordingly, if Quran is a guidance to each individual from the beginning to the end of the world;and from birth to the death of each person, the context of any ayat is closely connected to each one's individualistic, and constantly changing situation of his life at any point of time;and his grade and degree of life he is living, from the heavens down to the earth.
Peace.
Peace DrFazl
Your Quote reminds me of
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Whatever communications We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring one better than it or like it. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things? -
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Salam
I am discussing about Sura (391-92) and how Allah relates the word "spend" with "gold" and "love" (of wealth). I am not discussing about our entire "life" or the whole meaning of the Qur'an. Ayat (91) is the direct support for the meaning of ayat (92) and from these two ayats, the context "spend" and "love" is related to "gold". It is not related to "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives".
Salam,
Please go further up to ayat 385 from where the context to 391 & 92 starts. To brief the context
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If any one who wish a life against peaceful existence of and as one nation, his whole life is lost till he meets his grievous end.
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They accept the Signs of Allah as the Truth; but after having pronounced the same with a clear conscience publicly, they rejected it. They had lost their way for Allah had abandoned them.
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Worse still is, upon them is the curse of Allah, Malayika and the believers as righteous recompense because of their public rejection and spoiling a society blocking His path as a whole; this is because mostly the rejecters were a people who are rich in wealth and in people's count who side with them in all their wrong doings.
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Hell bound are they forever. They march ahead towards such destiny. Their torment will not be eased a bit; nor shall they be given a respite. This is a clear sign for their followers.
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Allah forgives those followers if they repent and reform; and restrains from going after the wealth and gold and all the man invented surpluses. The proud life of people in this world is "But play and amusement, pomp and mutual boasting and multiplying among yourselves, riches and children". Hate these but keep in your heart high above them all, to follow Allah, His messengers, and your life in the cause of righteousness. 5720.
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But if they turn away not heeding, and exceeded in arrogance, crossing the limits of Allah's tolerance their seeking forgiveness will never be accepted when the promised torment comes to pass. Their alms giving, however great it may be in their reckoning, will not be accepted; no bargains on that fateful Hour; no friends will be there for their help; nor would they find any as protectors.
So many ayats precede as context to 392. And for each to know the signs of each of the ayats, Allah alone is there to help on time when each of you shall reach the individualised contextual situation yourself on the prescribed Hour so that you would live out and love the glory of such life you are ushered into by the Almighty Allah. Experiencing the ayat's glad tidings under the supervision of Allah is the best of all signs.
There is a difference between "the context of the ayat" (Qur'anic context - words of Allah) and "what you may understood by it" (your context - your philosophy). This is what happened in the past, where the ulama are imposing their own context to the Qur'an. Therefore, I believe your methodology or concept of interpretation contradict the following ayats. It will cause deviation and division in the society since many peoples have many different interpretations of the Qur'an, according to what they wishes (4523)(2543).
Quranic context is your individual situation at any point in your lifetime. Every ayat and every word of the same ayat has 8 billion contexts if presently there is 8 billion population. And the situations in each person change by the moment and accordingly the meanings of the same ayat changes and the guidance would be perfect in the Name of Allah, the only Guide, at that moment of time if only one looks up to Him Alone without committing association.
But for the dynamic Truth, I have no philosophy of this mundane world for this reason; and for the same reason I have no following or registered followers, for each has to become discreet individuals if one has to be guided solely by Allah. I do not belong to the wretched ulema category nor do I force my context. For if I do so, I am going against the Truth, that each individual's context is very different to that of another. Unless one becomes individual thinker, thus freeing himself of the shirk of obtaining thought from others, he would be deprived of the guidance from the only Allah for his Awareness of Righteousness, he is at a great loss. Every group will follow to hell with their leaders. I am not a leader but one who evolves by totally surrendering to His call and living with and as a sign from Allah. This shall be the life of one and all.
This way of adherence to Quran shall never cause division or deviation from the path of Allah. I have no concept, methodology or philosophy to confuse the people except saying what I am living through. Each one shall be endowed with inspiration to righteousness by the One Inspiring Guide, well suited for the Will of Allah he possesses in his own Soul as his deep Wish.
Peace.
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Please go further up to ayat 385 from where the context to 391 & 92 starts.
Salam
Ayat 385 is the continuance of the story for the ayat 391-92. The beginning of the story starts from ayat 74. There is nothing in the whole ayat that support your argument or explain or related to "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives". The relevance ayat to explain 91 and 92 are as follows
And among the People of the Scripture is he who
if you entrust him with a great amount
he will return it to you
And among them is he who
if you entrust him with a silver coin
he will not return it to you
unless you are constantly standing over him
That is because they say
"There is no blame upon us concerning the unlearned"
And they speak untruth about Allah while they know
(375)
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Indeed, those who exchange the covenant of Allah and their oaths
for a small price
will have no share in the Hereafter
and Allah will not speak to them
or look at them on the Day of Resurrection
nor will He purify them
and they will have a painful punishment
(377)
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Indeed, those who disbelieve and die
while they are disbelievers
never would
the capacity of the earth in gold
be accepted from one of them
if he would ransom himself with it
For those there will be a painful punishment
and they will have no helpers.
(391)
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Never will you attain the good
until you spend
from that which you love
And whatever you spend
indeed, Allah is Knowing of it
(392)As you can see, there is nothing in the whole ayats that explain or related to giving "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives" in the way of Allah. The words "great amount ", "a silver coin", "for a small price", "the capacity of the earth in gold", "ransom", "spend", and "love" (of wealth) are the ayats that directly support the meaning of (391). It is explaining or something related to the "love of wealth", and not about scarifying or giving "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives" in the way of Allah. I believe you are making the conclusion based on what you believe and desire, not based on what the context of the ayats are explaining, and in the same section.. Allah said ..
And indeed, there is among them a party
who alter the Scripture
with their tongues
so you may think it is from the Scripture
but it is not from the Scripture
And they say, "This is from Allah ,"
but it is not from Allah
And they speak untruth about Allah while they know
(37Therefore...
I believe the ayat is explaining the "love of wealth (money - gold, coin, paper money etc)". Therefore, how can it be interpreted to give "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives" in the way of Allah. They have their own free wills, and are responsible and accountable for themselves to Allah. We are not manager over them.
Secondly...
Quranic context is your individual situation at any point in your lifetime. Every ayat and every word of the same ayat has 8 billion contexts if presently there is 8 billion population. And the situations in each person change by the moment and accordingly the meanings of the same ayat changes and the guidance would be perfect in the Name of Allah, the only Guide, at that moment of time if only one looks up to Him Alone without committing association.
The consequences of your conclusion.. .the Qur'an follow human beings, and not we follow the Qur'an.. and as I said...
Therefore, I believe your methodology or concept of interpretation that "the context of any ayat is closely connected to each one's individualistic" are contradicting the following ayats. It will cause deviation and division in the society since many peoples have many different interpretations of the Qur'an, according to their own desires (4523)(2543).
and unless you have an ayat from the Qur'an to support your conclusion, I have nothing else to say on your methodology. It is simply illogical.
Peace.
p/s from here
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Peace
We don't but "Allah has power over all things"
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By degrees WE shall teach Quran, so that you may not forget.Peace
Therefore, human should focus on what human beings are able and should do, and not interfering and concerning with what Allah are able or should do.. since we human are not Allah, we human beings are not the above "WE"..
Can you explain 876?
How do you know Allah is teaching you the Qur'an?
Can you prove that Allah is teaching you the Qur'an?
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But for the dynamic Truth, I have no philosophy of this mundane world for this reason; and for the same reason I have no following or registered followers, for each has to become discreet individuals if one has to be guided solely by Allah. I do not belong to the wretched ulema category nor do I force my context. For if I do so, I am going against the Truth, that each individual's context is very different to that of another. Unless one becomes individual thinker, thus freeing himself of the shirk of obtaining thought from others, he would be deprived of the guidance from the only Allah for his Awareness of Righteousness, he is at a great loss. Every group will follow to hell with their leaders. I am not a leader but one who evolves by totally surrendering to His call and living with and as a sign from Allah. This shall be the life of one and all.
This way of adherence to Quran shall never cause division or deviation from the path of Allah. I have no concept, methodology or philosophy to confuse the people except saying what I am living through. Each one shall be endowed with inspiration to righteousness by the One Inspiring Guide, well suited for the Will of Allah he possesses in his own Soul as his deep Wish.
Peace.
Wisdom! The God asks not for followers, but for leaders of their own selves. The God did not ask anybody to follow a prophet or messenger except that the messenger/prophet would guide them to being sovereigns on Earth, certainly never to follow the messenger's whim. All enlightened beings teach a person to lead within themselves, this is the mark of a true being of Love.
peace
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Peace
Have you seen the one who takes as his god his own desire?
Then would you be responsible for him?
(2543)Have you seen he who has taken as his god his desire
and Allah has sent him astray due to knowledge
and has set a seal upon his hearing and his heart
and put over his vision a veil?
So who will guide him after Allah ?
Then will you not be reminded?
(4523)I hope we don't have 8 billion gods, with 8 billion contexts of the Qur'an... &
Had there been within the heavens and earth
gods besides Allah
they both would have been ruined
(2122)(Presently many believe we have much or less of 72 different gods, with 72 different contexts of the Qur'an in the religion of Islam.. and hundreds of thousands of gods in other religions)
Secondly, I wonder why we need to have different contexts of the Qur'an when Sura Ali-Imran ayat 7 and Sura al-Maidah ayat 101 have clearly laid down the main principle regarding the Qur'an. hmm
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Salam
Ayat 385 is the continuance of the story for the ayat 391-92. The beginning of the story starts from ayat 74. There is nothing in the whole ayat that support your argument or explain or related to "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives". The relevance ayat to explain 91 and 92 are as follows
I do not think this is story but admonition from Allah that starts from chapter 2 of Quran through chapter 111. If you follow through all the chapters and ayats as one unit, you shall not find one ayat contradicting the other ayats. For repentance from our sins and transgressions and to seek forgiveness from Allah, we need to fall flat on our faces if we hold the pride that we bear or shoulder our family's responsibilities despite declaring to bow to the God of the universes who sustains and nourishes us till an appointed time. When you come to know the truth any of your family members denies Allah and rejects the faiths stands between you and Allah and in His path of righteousness you shall sever them off. It is very important sacrifice you make severing all relationships with such kind of people, however closely related they might be. Examples being Prophet Ibrahim's father; prophet Lut's wife; prophet Nuh's wife and son to mention directly from Quran.
Read 923. O you who believe! do not take your fathers and your brothers for guardians if they love unbelief more than belief; and whoever of you takes them for a guardian, these it is that are the unjust.
Read. 924. Say If your fathers and your sons and your brethren and your mates and your kinsfolk and property which you have acquired, and the slackness of trade which you fear and dwellings which you like, are dearer to you than Allah and His messenger and striving in His way, then wait till Allah brings about His command and Allah does not guide the transgressing people.
Would we wait for Allah's wrath to befall us by making the above mentioned categories of people God had named as our near and dear and beloved ones? What if we fail to disown or sacrifice our most beloved ones after the admonition had come? We shall be held guilty. And here is how fearful things would turn up in the end
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They shall be made to see each other. The guilty one would fain redeem himself from the chastisement of that day by sacrificing his children,
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And his wife and his brother
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And the nearest of his kinsfolk who gave him shelter,
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And all those that are in the earth, wishing then that this might deliver him.
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By no means! Surely it is a flaming fire
Read 5822. You shall not find a people who believe in Allah and the promised day befriending those who act in opposition to Allah and His messengers, even though they were their own fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or their kinsfolk; these are they into whose hearts He has impressed faith, and whom He has strengthened with an inspiration from Him and He will cause them to enter gardens beneath which rivers flow, abiding therein; Allah is well-pleased with them and they are well-pleased with Him these are Allah's party now surely the party of Allah are the successful ones.
Unless you read Quran in its wholesomeness you will be tremendously confused in the end. This is the history in real time and not a story 391 and 92 of Quran as you have mentioned.
The consequences of your conclusion.. .the Qur'an follow human beings, and not we follow the Qur'an.. and as I said...
and unless you have an ayat from the Qur'an to support your conclusion, I have nothing else to say on your methodology. It is simply illogical.
- Do they not then ponder on the Quran? And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have found in it many a discrepancy.
Do you not get from the ayat above that it is your soulful testimony which is important to ascertain if any ayat in Quran is the word from Allah or from other than Allah. And thus Quran appeals to our soul and satisfies it so that we follow it as the word of Allah, the .god of the worlds. And the soul does not have any methodology other than submitting and surrendering to His RUH.
Peace.
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Salam
Very long answer. So the question is where does it say spending/giving "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives" in the way of Allah in (391-92) ?
I am discussing about Sura (391-92) and how Allah relates the word "spend" with "gold" and "love" (of wealth). I am not discussing about our entire "life" or the whole meaning of the Qur'an. The whole meaning of the Qur'an does not entirely depends on ayat (391-92) alone. Therefore we leave what is the meaning of the entire Qur'an and remain focuses on our discussion. As we can see, ayat (91) is the direct support for the meaning of ayat (92) and from these two ayats, the context "spend" and "love" is related to "gold". It is not related to "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives".
(Each and every premises have to be right before we are able to make the whole conclusion of the Qur'an. Therefore, it is irrelevant to assume the meaning of the whole Qur'an based on one or two ayats/premises. Fallacy of Generalization.)
Peace
p/s Further, I couldn't agree with your argument since there are in the Qur'an to be fair and good to the non believers, notwithstanding their religions. The true meanings of a Muslim and believers, and the actual contexts have been distorted by the Arabs to suit the agenda of sectarianism and Islam as a religion.
and you will find the nearest of them in affection to the believers
those who say, "We are Christians." <- Allah confirmed that they are good peoples
That is because among them are priests and monks
and because they are not arrogant
(582)This also includes the context of the ayat you are quoting above. For example, how you are misquoting and distorted the true meanings of the ayat by generalizing the ayat that relating to "takes them for a guardian", jihad (self defense), and during the emigration of Muslim as generally making all the non-believers as an enemy and sacrifice them in the way of Allah (923); ie. sectarianism.
Read 923. O you who believe! do not take your fathers and your brothers for guardians if they love unbelief more than belief; and whoever of you takes them for a guardian, these it is that are the unjust.
Whereas the Qur'an says Allah will help the non-believers.
Permission to fight is given
to those against whom war is made <- not referring to Muslim, rights given to all human beings
because they have been wronged <- religion vs. just and balance
and Allah indeed has the power to help them <- Allah will help the non-believers
(2230)We leave this issue for a while and settled our first issue.
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Salam
Very long answer. So.. where does it say spending/giving "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives" in the way of Allah in (391-92) ?
Peace
Salam
One cannot segment the Quran into various multiple categories; it is not completed in a single verse but with a close correlation of 6000 and odd verses. It is condemned by Allah. And again there is no contradiction between its verses.
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Like as We sent down on the dividers
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Those who made the Quran into shreds.
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So, by your Lord, We would most certainly question them all,
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As to what they did.
And do you think long answers not to be read or cannot read? Definitely it is not longer than most of your posts, i believe.
Peace.
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Salam
One cannot segment the Quran into various multiple categories; it is not completed in a single verse but with a close correlation of 6000 and odd verses. It is condemned by Allah. And again there is no contradiction between its verses.
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Like as We sent down on the dividers
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Those who made the Quran into shreds.
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So, by your Lord, We would most certainly question them all,
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As to what they did.
And do you think long answers not to be read or cannot read? Definitely it is not longer than most of your posts, i believe.
Peace.
Salam
It is long since it does not answer the question or issue. The issue is quite simple, where does it say in sura 391-92 that we need to sacrifice or spend or give "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives" in the way of Allah, and I have given the reason why we don't need to ramble to the meaning of the whole Qur'an without first identifying its true and relevant premises to our discussion.
Each and every premises have to be right before we are able to make the whole conclusion of the Qur'an. Therefore, it is irrelevant to assume the meaning of the whole Qur'an based on one or two ayats/premises. Fallacy of Generalization.)
If you cannot or have failed to show me in the ayat, can you at least show me in the whole sura of Ali-Imran? ie. A clear ayat that say we need to sacrifice or spend or give "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives" in the way of Allah, and despite they are fair, just and good to other peoples (ie. Allah's command on the basis of sectarianism - religion, and not on the basis of justly balanced). An ayat that prove Allah is not talking about love of wealth and gold in sura 391-92. A clear ayat that are directly relating to explanation in ayat 391-92.
Or can you contradict or deny the following ayat?
Whereas the Qur'an says Allah will help the non-believers.
Permission to fight is given
to those against whom war is made <- not referring to Muslim, rights given to all human beings
because they have been wronged <- religion vs. just and balance
and Allah indeed has the power to help them <- Allah will help the non-believers
(2230)Why the above ayat is contradicting your argument and belief? Belief in the sacrificing of the innocent non-believers based on their religion; ie. sectarianism
Peace.
p/s even the revelation of the Qur'an is given step by step ... progressively.. hmm
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Very long answer. So the question is where does it say spending/giving "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives" in the way of Allah in (391-92) ?
(Each and every premises have to be right before we are able to make the whole conclusion of the Qur'an. Therefore, it is irrelevant to assume the meaning of the whole Qur'an based on one or two ayats/premises. Fallacy of Generalization.)
Peace
Alright then, you need to know the meaning of spending. How do you spend your life? What is the meaning of the word 'spend' here? What is the extent and dimension of the premise of spending here? I have to spend all my life in the cause of Allah. What is the meaning of spending here? If I have to spend my life free from the precincts and nearness of the rejecters of the signs of Allah - what does the word spend denote here? If the enemies are our parents, wives, brothers, children and relatives how would you spend your life in the cause of righteousness? What is the meaning of the word 'spend' here? If there are full of enemies around you in your country you have to go in exile and spend your life until things become favourable.
Now you can apply your wisdom transcending knowledge and elevate yourself from the lowly dictionary meanings to know the Quran. You can from this approach read again 391 & 92.
p/s Further, I couldn't agree with your argument since there are in the Qur'an to be fair and good to the non believers, notwithstanding their religions. The true meanings of a Muslim and believers, and the actual contexts have been distorted by the Arabs to suit the agenda of sectarianism and Islam as a religion.
From the above example of the word spend you would know it is impossible to know the true meanings of the words of Quranic ayats using human invented dictionaries and grammar. True meanings are above your linguistic knowledge and for the same reason except Allah none can reveal the essential understanding of any ayat in its completeness.
and you will find the nearest of them in affection to the believers
those who say, "We are Christians." <- Allah confirmed that they are good peoples
That is because among them are priests and monks
and because they are not arrogant
(582)If you are asked to spend your life with such or give your life for the sake of such people, what do you understand of the word spend/give?
This also includes the context of the ayat you are quoting above. For example, how you are misquoting and distorted the true meanings of the ayat by generalizing the ayat that relating to "takes them for a guardian", jihad (self defense), and during the emigration of Muslim as generally making all the non-believers as an enemy and sacrifice them in the way of Allah (923); ie. sectarianism.
Whereas the Qur'an says Allah will help the non-believers.
Permission to fight is given
to those against whom war is made <- not referring to Muslim, rights given to all human beings
because they have been wronged <- religion vs. just and balance
and Allah indeed has the power to help them <- Allah will help the non-believers
(2230)We leave this issue for a while and settled our first issue.
How do you take the observation , " only Allah knows the true meanings of His ayats?" Would you say, 'yes?' Therefore all your Arabic language and lexicons would be fruitless to tread the path of righteousness. The proof of righteousness of your interpretation lies only in your living out that which you interpret.
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Salam
It is long since it does not answer the question or issue. The issue is quite simple, where does it say in sura 391-92 that we need to sacrifice or spend or give "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives" in the way of Allah, and I have given the reason why we don't need to ramble to the meaning of the whole Qur'an without first identifying its true and relevant premises to our discussion.
This is why you must have completeness of understanding from Allah. Pray for not associating dictionaries to Allah's revelation. Come above the human dictionaries by submitting to Allah expecting From Him for revelations. Do you believe in direct revelation from Allah?
If you cannot or have failed to show me in the ayat, can you at least show me in the whole sura of Ali-Imran? ie. A clear ayat that say we need to sacrifice or spend or give "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives" in the way of Allah, and despite they are fair, just and good to other peoples (ie. Allah's command on the basis of sectarianism - religion, and not on the basis of justly balanced). An ayat that prove Allah is not talking about love of wealth and gold in sura 391-92. A clear ayat that are directly relating to explanation in ayat 391-92.
I think by now it would be clear to you as to how to be in total surrendering before Allah that it is Him and He alone by revelation can make us step upon the right path. Not man made dictionaries and grammatical dictionaries.
p/s even the revelation of the Qur'an is given step by step ... progressively.. hmm
Very true. You shall turn to Allah for revelation of every single ayat as and when it is sent down and such revelation would easily be enlivened because of the truth in it. And Allah guides us in His path. It is because people have turned to human Arabic linguistic abilities, none is able to practice any single ayat of Quran even after it is completed without shirk.
- And most of them do not believe in Allah without associating others with Him.
Peace.
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Salaam,
The ones that are blessed by God with Knowledge and Wisdom can accurately interpret the ayats of God. The rest will just put then to conjecture.
God bless you