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    muslims
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    #303

    +---- Controlled by Allah ----+
    | |
    | |
    +------- Favorite topics ------+
    | for religious people |
    | |
    Irrelevant Irrelevant
    to human to human
    (war zone) (war zone)
    | |
    | |
    | |
    | Freewill |
    | (Qur'an) |
    | (Sunnatullah) |
    | (Justly Balanced) |
    | | |
    | | |
    | Level of |
    | Alhamdu |
    | | |
    | | |
    Wrong |<----- 100% ----->| Right
    Evil | Good
    Unlucky 90% Lucky
    Ugly | Pretty
    Poor 80% Rich
    Etc. | Etc.
    ^ 70% ^
    | | |
    | 60% |
    | | |
    | 50% |
    | | |
    | 40% |
    | | |
    | 30% |
    | | |
    | 20% |
    | | |
    | 10% |
    | | |
    | 0% |
    | ^ |
    | | |
    | | |
    | (3131) |
    | patient (doers of good) |
    +------------- Grateful -------------+
    | Alhamdu |
    | ^ |
    Takes ^ Takes
    time | time
    ^ | ^
    | | |
    | Progressive |
    | | |

    • <------- Understanding ------>+
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      Depends on the Level of Shirk
      |
      Those with "one heart" (no heart) will never commit Shirk
      Shirk or Faith requires "the right elements of" Iman and Amal to be presence
      Therefore
      Condition = Iman + Amal = Not Shirk/Faith
      Similarly = Iman + Amal = Not Shirk/Faith
      Iman + Amal = Shirk/Faith
      |
      And rely on Allah
      and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.
      Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior.
      (333-4)

    The struggling and going is the goal, and it doesn't matter where we start (or end), as long as we start somewhere and keep on improving our life and strengthening our faith.

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      muslims
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      Some example on better way to give everything in the path of Allah

      By no means shall you attain to righteousness
      until you spend (benevolently)
      out of what you love

      |
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      Duty
      |
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      Realisation and Fulfillment of Deen
      |
      |
      +----------------------+---------------------------------------+
      Self Family Society
      | | |
      | | +--------------------------+
      Realization of <-+ Charitable Business/Profesionalism
      Deen and Duty (Services and improvement

      of the society)

      Limit
      |
      |
      And they ask you as to what they should spend (sadaqah)
      Say What you can spare
      Thus does Allah make clear to you the communications
      that you may ponder
      (2219)

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        The process of returning to Allah.

        Transition from the first realm (womb)
        (cutting umbilical cord - our path - bay'ah - to reconnect)
        ie. the importance of blessings from our parents - duty)
        http//api.ning.com/files/uGCxg7sZSOsBbNwvSUN0m6uFBP5OUvR7e-3lYPcnfzzdki1NKdfBKi*MBEzKhhqFLbCaNgzbOCTwHTwBFp0cz3nyqUP-l7F1/arrowDownSmall.png
        http//s9.postimg.org/4t3bkmt5r/twohearts.png

        Willingly (obedience) or unwillingly (disobedience) empty our heart to Allah

        The repentance accepted by Allah
        is only for those
        who do wrong
        in ignorance <- conditions for repentance - two conditions
        and then repent soon after
        It is those to whom Allah will turn in forgiveness
        and Allah is ever Knowing and Wise

        But repentance is not
        of those who
        do evil deeds <- conditions for repentance
        up until, when death comes to one of them, he says
        "Indeed, I have repented now,"
        or of those who die while they are disbelievers

        For them We have prepared a painful punishment
        (417-1

        Transition from the first realm (womb)
        (cutting umbilical cord - our path - bay'ah - to reconnect)
        ie. the importance of blessings from our parents - duty)

        And your Lord has commanded
        that you shall not serve (any) but Him

        and goodness to your parents
        If either or both of them reach old age with you
        say not to them "Ugh"
        nor chide them
        and speak to them a generous word
        (1723)

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          What is reward and sin?

          tools to enter paradise and avoiding hell?

          It is obvious that we cannot avoid sin
          It is the unavoidable things in life..
          No matter how good we are ... how hard we try..
          We will always committing sins and shirk (eg. refer here)

          sin = dust

          http//s16.postimg.org/r0fyr5g51/dusty.png

          However, it is always easier to standing up for good deeds
          It is easier to become a righteous person
          It is something that are accomplishable

          reward = soap

          http//s18.postimg.org/c03hpnyw9/soap.png

          Therefore, the actual system (or the awwaliyah) of the Deen of Islam is not really about avoiding sin

          BUT it is more about becoming a righteous person

          It is about benefiting humanity and kindness to His creation

          Becoming humble and understand human beings and other living creatures...

          It is Allah who will purifies us from our sin and shirk, no one can <- main reason why we need Allah (al-Fatihah)
          and.. based on our good deeds and level of righteousness

          Therefore, our real objectives are becoming a righteous person, while striving hard and praying to Allah for forgiveness.

          Praying to Allah to show us the right path, and purify us from sins and shirk (since we can never avoids shirk).

          Prostrate to Adam!

          The relation between reward and sin .. which one is dominant in ourselves?

          benefiting humanity, or on the issue of "right and wrong in religion"?

          http//i40.tinypic.com/28slzs0.png

          avoiding sin = right/wrong = fire element

          ?Stupidity is the same as evil if you judge by the results.? (refer to al-Anfal22)

          It is wonderful how much time good people spend fighting the devil
          If they would only expend the same amount of energy loving their fellow men
          the devil would die in his own tracks of ennui

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            Saved from sin and shirk
            (automatic processing of internal self)
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            Auliya
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            True Believer
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            Mukmeen
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            Muslim
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            Allah Purifies Us
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            Reward
            (soap)
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            Righteous Person
            (main focus)
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            Good Deeds
            (Benefiting Self and Humanity)
            Making enemies and divisions (sectarianism, cf. Towards Human Unity)
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            Sin
            (dust)

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              Quote from muslims on September 13, 2013, 051513 pm

              Example on the standard required to attain righteousness

              By no means shall you attain to righteousness
              until you spend (benevolently)
              out of what you love
              and whatever thing you spend
              Allah surely knows it
              (392)

              And they ask you as to what they should spend (sadaqah)
              Say What you can spare
              Thus does Allah make clear to you the communications
              that you may ponder
              (2219)

              What is Sadaqah?
              Is it physical material?
              Or being faithfully Truthful for the purpose of Allah?

              Peace

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                Quote from muslims on September 13, 2013, 051513 pm

                What is Sadaqah?
                Is it physical material?
                Or being faithfully Truthful for the purpose of Allah?

                Peace

                Salam

                As per my current understanding it is something related to what we spend on the path of Allah.

                http//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=7712
                (392)
                (you spend)

                http//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=4191
                (2219)
                (they (should) spend)

                You can enlighten us with your understanding or perspectives.

                http//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=1610
                (29417)
                (truthful)

                root

                to be truthful, true, sincere, speak the truth, establish or confirm the truth of what another has said, verify, keep faith, observe a promise faithfully, fulfill, speak veraciously, hold anyone as trustworthy. sadaqa fi al-qitaali - to fight gallantly. tsaddaqa - to give alms. sidqun - truth, veracity, sincerity, soundness, excellence in a variety of different objects, salubrious and agreeable, favourable entrance, praise. saadiqun - one who is true and sincere, one who speaks the truth. saadiqah - perfect woman. sadaqat (pl. saduqaat) - dowry. siddiiq - person who is trustworthy, sincere. saddaqa - to confirm, verify, fulfil. asdaqu - more true.

                Sadaga (prf 3rd. p.m. sing.) He spoke the truth, declared the truth.
                Sadagat (prf 3rd. p. f. sing.) She spoke the truth.
                Sadaquu (prf. 3rd. p.m. plu.) They told truth, proved truthful.
                Sadaqta (prf 2nd. m. sing.) Thou told the truth.
                Sadaqna (prf. 1st. P. plu.) We fulfilled.
                Saddaqa (prf 3rd. p.m. sing. II) Verified; Judged correctly; Accepted the truth; Believed; Proved true.
                Saddaqat (prf. 3rd. p. f. sing. II) She testified, declared her faith in.
                Saddaqta (prf. 2nd, p.m. sing. II.) Thou fulfilled.
                Yusaddiqu (imp. 3rd. p.m. sing. II.) He confirms; Bears (me) out.
                Yusaddiquuna (imp. 3rd. p.m.plu. II) They testify, accept the truth.
                Tusaddiquuna (imp. 2nd. p.m. plu. II.) You realize the reality of, admit the truth.
                Tasaddaga (prf. 3rd. p.m.sing. V.) He chooses to forego (and gave as charity).
                Tasaddaquu (imp. 3rd. p.m. plu. V. acc.) You choose to fore go (and give as charity).
                Tasaddaq (prt. m. sing. V) Be charitable, show us charity.
                Yassaddaquu (imp. 3rd. p.m. plu. V. acc.) They forego, remit as a charity.
                Assaddaga (imp. 1st. P. sing. V. ace.) I would have given alms.
                Nassaddaqanna (imp. 1st. p. plu. V.) We will surely give alms.
                Sidqun/ Sidqan (acc./n.) Truthfulness.
                Saadiqun/Saadiqan (acc./ act. plc. n. sing.) True; Truth-teller; Truthful.
                Saadiquun/Saadiqiin (acc./ ap-der. m. plu.) Truthful ones.
                Saadigdtu (ap-derf plu.) Truthful women.
                Sadagatin/Sadagatan (acc./gen. n.) Charity; Alms.
                Sadaqaat (n. plu.) Charities; Alms.
                Saduqaat (n. plu. of Saduqatun) Dowries.
                Sadiiqun (act. 2nd. pic. m. sing.) Friend.
                Asdaqu (m. sing, elative.) More truthful than.
                Siddiqun (m, sing. ints.) Man of truth and veracity.
                Siddiigatun (f sing. ints.) Woman of high truthful and veracity.
                Siddiiquna/Siddiiqiina (gen./ m. plu. ints.) Truthful ones.
                Musaddiqun / Musaddiqan (acc./ ap-der. m. sing. II.) ' Fulfilling; Confirming one.
                Musaddiqiin (ap-der, m. sing. II. gen.) Confirming one.
                Mutasaddiqiina (ap-der. m. plu. acc. gen. V.) Alms givers; Charitable ones.
                Musaddiqina (ap-der m. plu. acc. V ) Alms-givers; Charitable ones.
                Mutasaddiqaat (ap-der. f. plu. V.) Almsgiver women.
                Musaddiqaat (ap-der. f. plu. V.) Almsgiver women.
                Tasdiiqun (v. n.) Confirmation.

                sadaqa vb. (1)
                perf. act. 2177, 395, 3152, 5113, 943, 1226, 219, 2727, 293, 3322, 3323, 3652, 3974, 4721, 4827
                n.vb. 5119, 6115, 102, 1093, 1780, 1780, 1950, 2684, 338, 3324, 3932, 3933, 4616, 5455
                pcple. act. 223, 231, 294, 2111, 317, 393, 3168, 3183, 487, 4122, 5119, 640, 6143, 6146, 770, 7106, 7194, 9119, 1038, 1048, 1113, 1132, 1217, 1227, 1251, 1282, 157, 1564, 1954, 2138, 246, 249, 2631, 26154, 26187, 2749, 2764, 2771, 2849, 2929, 3228, 338, 3324, 3335, 3335, 3429, 3648, 37157, 4028, 4436, 4525, 464, 4622, 4915, 4917, 515, 5234, 5687, 598, 626, 6725, 6841

                sadaqah n.f. 2196, 2263, 2264, 2271, 2276, 4114, 958, 960, 979, 9103, 9104, 5812, 5813

                sadiq n.m. 2461, 26101

                saduqat n.f. (pl. of saduqah) 44

                siddiq n.m. 469, 575, 1246, 1941, 1956, 5719

                saddaqa vb. (2)
                perf. act. 3420, 3737, 37105, 3933, 6612, 7531, 926
                impf. act. 2834, 5657, 7026
                n.vb. 1037, 12111
                pcple. act. 241, 289, 291, 297, 2101, 33, 339, 350, 381, 447, 546, 546, 548, 692, 3531, 3752, 4612, 4630, 616

                tasaddaqa vb. (5)
                perf. act. 2280, 545
                impf. act. 492, 975
                impv. 6310, 1288
                pcple. act. 1288, 3335, 3335, 5718, 5718

                LL, V4, p 390, 391, 392, 393

                Peace.

                p/s I doubt swam or fasting is understand correctly as per the true meaning of the Qur'an, BUT I like it!! )

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                  Salam

                  As per my current understanding it is something related to what we spend on the path of Allah.

                  http//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=7712
                  (392)
                  (you spend)

                  http//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=4191
                  (2219)
                  (they (should) spend)

                  You can enlighten us with your understanding or perspectives.

                  http//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=1610
                  (29417)
                  (truthful)

                  Peace,

                  Being truthful is not giving away to the poor some physical material say, money or other worldly things of pleasure. Before helping the poor with materials of this world, it is pertinent to know how to identify as to towards who Allah directs our charitable lives to turn to.

                  Allah pins down the wrong doers and the transgressors with disease and poverty in order that they humble themselves before God and obey diligently His ordainment. The obedience that a believer shall truthfully observe and abide by is, to spend in the cause of Allah in richness and in poverty from whatever they possess when a righteous situation demands. Generally people will get angry at even normal household expenditures while in financial straitness; that is the testing point from Allah to see how they behave and how much they believe in Him that they would be justly recompensed in accordance with their patience; and He sees how much they remember the promise of Allah that for every good deed or endurance in the path of righteousness they would be endowed with a reward ten times more; and that it would be doubled and that it would grow in multiples thereof.

                  Allah loves those who restrain their anger during the times of constraints because of their belief in the truth and loves those who pardon the people. They spend towards righteousness generously from their limited allowance without miserliness, only to please Allah. And Allah too is pleased with such of them and for them is His Grace and Providence. They shall neither worry nor grieve. Towards this end each one shall strive truthfully spending his life and stand as a model of inspiration unto others, to establish the Truth.

                  3134 Who spend in the cause of Allah during ease and hardship and who restrain anger and who pardon the people - and Allah loves the doers of good.

                  However Allah might show as proof to the people of the community, the steadfastness of the very truthful and enduring believers by testing them under His direct supervision. For others their plight might seem as a mighty and a grave situation indeed, but it is Him who made their situation seemed so easy in their minds until He made them tide over it, rewarding them a grand lasting victory. Allah is powerful over all things. Allah would make their whole life a charitable sign to others that the promise of Allah is true they would neither suffer worry nor would they grieve over the losses. To make so is easy for Allah.

                  And the Living Sign of Allah's grace for others is the life of them who find it difficult to be liberal in the cause of Allah, yet unable to move about freely in the land. An ignorant one would think them self-sufficient because of their restraint, but you will know them by their sign. They do not ask people persistently. And whatever you spend of good - indeed, Allah is Knowing of it. 2273

                  Spending our lives in the cause of Allah, each one proving a word from Him in this world to help believe the poor ignorant people, is the truthful poor due upon us, in this life.

                  salam
                  fazl

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                    Being truthful is not giving away to the poor some physical material say, money or other worldly things of pleasure. Before helping the poor with materials of this world, it is pertinent to know how to identify as to towards who Allah directs our charitable lives to turn to.

                    The obedience that a believer shall truthfully observe and abide by is, to spend in the cause of Allah in richness and in poverty from whatever they possess when a righteous situation demands.

                    Spending our lives in the cause of Allah, each one proving a word from Him in this world to help believe the poor ignorant people, is the truthful poor due upon us, in this life.

                    Salam

                    To a certain extent, the above conclusions might have some truth in it, but your explanation is deviating and does not explain the word "sadaqah" in the context of Sura (392) and (2219); i.e. our discussion.

                    Further, being "truthful" is more about doing from what you understand about life and its relation to the Qur'an. There is no target for becoming a True Muslim, and there is no need for us to copy what other peoples are doing or follow some motivational books without understanding and experiencing its true meaning (including the Qur'an - refer to 625 and 5577-79).

                    The struggling and going is the goal, and it doesn't matter where we start (or end), as long as we start somewhere and keep on improving our life and strengthening our faith.

                    How a child can grow into an adult within 1 year?

                    How to grow into timber trees from seeds within 24 hours?

                    It is not the Sunnatullah and there is no target for becoming a Muslim.

                    Hijab is not the actual requirement in the Qur'an.

                    The actual requirement in the Qur'an is for human beings to learn, understand, and reform continuously for the better (istiqamah - changes from within ourselves comes first - roots of a tree).

                    It is the process of understanding that matter, not the end results (comparison - how can one expect to be free from shirk within a short period of time? Impossible!).

                    Life and our understanding is a process, and so as how we should live "our lives in the cause of Allah".

                    It is a journey and there is "truthfulness" in every stage and situation of our life

                    .. as long we keep on improving and strengthening our faith according to the Qur'an.

                    Age Concept of Right/Wrong

                    70 Being absolutely right for the level of 70 years old person "
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                    60 Being absolutely right for the level of 60 years old person "
                    http//static1.cargurus.com/gfx/cargurus/inventorylistings/circle_arrow_up_green_small.gif
                    50 Being absolutely right for the level of 50 years old person "
                    http//static1.cargurus.com/gfx/cargurus/inventorylistings/circle_arrow_up_green_small.gif
                    40 Being absolutely right for the level of 40 years old person "
                    http//static1.cargurus.com/gfx/cargurus/inventorylistings/circle_arrow_up_green_small.gif
                    30 Being absolutely right for the level of 30 years old person "
                    http//static1.cargurus.com/gfx/cargurus/inventorylistings/circle_arrow_up_green_small.gif
                    20 Being absolutely right for the level of 20 years old person "
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                    10 Being absolutely right for the level of 10 years old person "
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                    1 Being absolutely right for the level of 1 year old baby <-- limited by our senses, abilities etc.

                    Similarly, this can be applied to certain life conditions, psychological backgrounds, personal traits, ethnic, educational backgrounds, and etc. These are all variables, and the overall consequences are the Sunnatullah, Absolute Justice.

                    Therefore, does it really matter of being right or wrong?

                    Does the above pattern of being right or wrong really matters to Allah?

                    What about those who live 1,000 years ago, where there is no proper educational system, or where people unable to read the Qur'an? Can they survive and become a real Muslim? Can we apply the same concept of right or wrong?

                    What is the actual standard to become a Muslim?

                    There are no fixed rules, and it can be the hardest things to achieve, or it can be the simplest things to achieve; which totally depends on the "Level of Shirk" within ourselves.

                    Peace

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                      Muslims,
                      Peace

                      392
                      By no means shall you attain righteousness unless you give of that which you love; and whatever you give, of a truth Allah knows it well.

                      Note We love our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives, the wealth, the business and our houses. All these comprise our lives. And we love our lives much dearer than any other thing we possess. The life of people in this world is "But play and amusement, pomp and mutual boasting and multiplying among yourselves, riches and children". Love not all these but keep in your heart high above them all Allah, His Messengers, and your life in the cause of righteousness.

                      Sadaqa is wishing good. It is wishing righteousness, in the Name of Allah, the Guide. Thus by His grace you are elevated to a degree as a sign to others. And this is living the truthful life as ordained by Allah.

                      1. We will deal next after we are finished with this. And all the rest of your post shall have to be dealt with later.

                      Peace

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                        392
                        By no means shall you attain righteousness unless you give of that which you love; and whatever you give, of a truth Allah knows it well.

                        Note We love our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives, the wealth, the business and our houses. All these comprise our lives. And we love our lives much dearer than any other thing we possess. The life of people in this world is "But play and amusement, pomp and mutual boasting and multiplying among yourselves, riches and children". Love not all these but keep in your heart high above them all Allah, His Messengers, and your life in the cause of righteousness.

                        Sadaqa is wishing good. It is wishing righteousness, in the Name of Allah, the Guide. Thus by His grace you are elevated to a degree as a sign to others. And this is living the truthful life as ordained by Allah.

                        Salam

                        Below is the context of that ayat, and how Allah relates "gold", "ransom" and "spend" in the way of Allah; ie. love of gold (wealth) during our life and after death.

                        Indeed, those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers
                        never would the capacity of the earth in gold
                        be accepted from one of them
                        if he would ransom himself with it
                        For those there will be a painful punishment
                        and they will have no helpers
                        Never will you attain the good
                        until you spend
                        from that which you love
                        And whatever you spend
                        indeed, Allah is Knowing of it
                        (391-92)

                        I believe the ayat is explaining the "love of wealth (money - gold, coin, paper money etc)". Therefore, how can it be interpreted to give "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives" in the way of Allah. They have their own free wills, and are responsible and accountable for themselves to Allah. We are not manager over them.

                        O you who have believed
                        upon you is yourselves
                        Those who have gone astray will not harm you when you have been guided
                        To Allah is you return all together
                        then He will inform you of what you used to do
                        (5105)

                        (also refer to 4033)

                        Peace.

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                          Salam

                          Below is the context of that ayat, and how Allah relates "gold" hypno, "ransom" and "spend" in the way of Allah; ie. love of gold (wealth) during our life and after death.

                          Indeed, those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers
                          never would the capacity of the earth in gold
                          be accepted from one of them
                          if he would ransom himself with it
                          For those there will be a painful punishment
                          and they will have no helpers
                          Never will you attain the good
                          until you spend
                          from that which you love
                          And whatever you spend
                          indeed, Allah is Knowing of it
                          (391-92)

                          I believe the ayat is explaining the "love of wealth (money - gold, coin, paper money etc)". Therefore, how can it be interpreted to give "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives" in the way of Allah. They have their own free wills, and are responsible and accountable for themselves to Allah. We are not manager over them.

                          O you who have believed
                          upon you is yourselves
                          Those who have gone astray will not harm you when you have been guided
                          To Allah is you return all together
                          then He will inform you of what you used to do
                          (5105)

                          (also refer to 4033)

                          Peace

                          Salam

                          Firstly, with reference to the understanding of the contextual application of Quran, we need to remember and know the following

                          • Quran's ayats are not contradictory to each other.

                          • Every ayat is supportive of and contributory to any other ayat any where in Quran.

                          • Each ayat is explanatory to all times and all the events and all the occurrences of the past, present and future.

                          • Any ayat should clarify to each man as to what in truth is happening around him with reference to that which is happening around him; and with reference to his individual life.

                          • Accordingly, if Quran is a guidance to each individual from the beginning to the end of the world; and from birth to the death of each person, the context of any ayat is closely connected to each one's individualistic, and constantly changing situation of his life at any point of time; and his grade and degree of life he is living, from the heavens down to the earth.

                          I believe the ayat is explaining the "love of wealth (money - gold, coin, paper money etc)". Therefore, how can it be interpreted to give "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives" in the way of Allah. They have their own free wills, and are responsible and accountable for themselves to Allah. We are not manager over them.

                          'Give' shall not mean to you giving away in ransom, but put them all and you in His Trust if your belief is, "Allah is the Only Guide". Allah loves those who put their trust in Him. When Allah loves you, you are not at all deprived of His Abundance. Such showing the Truthful Guidance to the people around by being ourselves model first, is the spending of our life, our entire life in charity.

                          Peace.

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                            Salam

                            Firstly, with reference to the understanding of the contextual application of Quran, we need to remember and know the following

                            • Quran's ayats are not contradictory to each other.

                            • Every ayat is supportive of and contributory to any other ayat any where in Quran.

                            • Each ayat is explanatory to all times and all the events and all the occurrences of the past, present and future.

                            • Any ayat should clarify to each man as to what in truth is happening around him with reference to that which is happening around him; and with reference to his individual life.

                            • Accordingly, if Quran is a guidance to each individual from the beginning to the end of the world; and from birth to the death of each person, the context of any ayat is closely connected to each one's individualistic, and constantly changing situation of his life at any point of time; and his grade and degree of life he is living, from the heavens down to the earth.

                            'Give' shall not mean to you giving away in ransom, but put them all and you in His Trust if your belief is, "Allah is the Only Guide". Allah loves those who put their trust in Him. When Allah loves you, you are not at all deprived of His Abundance. Such showing the Truthful Guidance to the people around by being ourselves model first, is the spending of our life, our entire life in charity.

                            Peace.

                            RED is mine

                            Salam

                            I am discussing about Sura (391-92) and how Allah relates the word "spend" with "gold" and "love" (of wealth). I am not discussing about our entire "life" or the whole meaning of the Qur'an. The whole meaning of the Qur'an does not entirely depends on ayat (391-92) alone. Therefore we leave what is the meaning of the entire Qur'an and remain focuses on our discussion. As we can see, ayat (91) is the direct support for the meaning of ayat (92) and from these two ayats, the context "spend" and "love" is related to "gold". It is not related to "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives".

                            Therefore...

                            Therefore, how can it be interpreted to give "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives" in the way of Allah. They have their own free wills, and are responsible and accountable for themselves to Allah. We are not manager over them.

                            the context of any ayat is closely connected to each one's individualistic, and constantly changing situation of his life at any point of time; and his grade and degree of life he is living, from the heavens down to the earth.

                            There is a difference between "the context of the ayat" (Qur'anic context - words of Allah) and "what you may understood by it" (your context - your philosophy). This is what happened in the past, where the ulama are imposing their own context to the Qur'an, as it is the Qur'an (claiming absolute truth). Therefore, I believe your methodology or concept of interpretation that "the context of any ayat is closely connected to each one's individualistic" are contradicting the following ayats. It will cause deviation and division in the society since many peoples have many different interpretations of the Qur'an, according to their own desires (4523)(2543).

                            So direct your face toward the deen, inclining to truth
                            the fitrah of Allah upon which He has created people
                            No change should there be in the creation of Allah (deen)
                            That is the correct deen
                            but most of the people do not know
                            (3030)

                            O you who have believed
                            DO NOT ask about things which
                            if they are shown to you
                            will distress you
                            But if you ask about them while the Qur'an is being revealed
                            they will be shown to you
                            Allah has pardoned that which is past
                            and Allah is Forgiving and Forbearing
                            (5101)

                            And indeed, there is among them a party
                            who alter the Scripture
                            with their tongues
                            so you may think it is from the Scripture
                            but it is not from the Scripture
                            And they say, "This is from Allah ,"
                            but it is not from Allah
                            And they speak untruth about Allah while they know
                            (378)

                            Peace

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                              Salam

                              Firstly, with reference to the understanding of the contextual application of Quran, we need to remember and know the following

                              • Quran's ayats are not contradictory to each other.

                              • Every ayat is supportive of and contributory to any other ayat any where in Quran.

                              • Each ayat is explanatory to all times and all the events and all the occurrences of the past, present and future.

                              • Any ayat should clarify to each man as to what in truth is happening around him with reference to that which is happening around him; and with reference to his individual life.

                              • Accordingly, if Quran is a guidance to each individual from the beginning to the end of the world;and from birth to the death of each person, the context of any ayat is closely connected to each one's individualistic, and constantly changing situation of his life at any point of time;and his grade and degree of life he is living, from the heavens down to the earth.

                              Peace.

                              Peace DrFazl

                              Your Quote reminds me of

                              2106
                              Whatever communications We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring one better than it or like it. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things?

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                                Peace

                                It is true, that "Allah has power over all things", but we dont... )

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                                  Peace

                                  We don't but "Allah has power over all things"

                                  876
                                  By degrees WE shall teach Quran, so that you may not forget.

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                                    Salam

                                    I am discussing about Sura (391-92) and how Allah relates the word "spend" with "gold" and "love" (of wealth). I am not discussing about our entire "life" or the whole meaning of the Qur'an. Ayat (91) is the direct support for the meaning of ayat (92) and from these two ayats, the context "spend" and "love" is related to "gold". It is not related to "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives".

                                    Salam,

                                    Please go further up to ayat 385 from where the context to 391 & 92 starts. To brief the context

                                    1. If any one who wish a life against peaceful existence of and as one nation, his whole life is lost till he meets his grievous end.

                                    2. They accept the Signs of Allah as the Truth; but after having pronounced the same with a clear conscience publicly, they rejected it. They had lost their way for Allah had abandoned them.

                                    3. Worse still is, upon them is the curse of Allah, Malayika and the believers as righteous recompense because of their public rejection and spoiling a society blocking His path as a whole; this is because mostly the rejecters were a people who are rich in wealth and in people's count who side with them in all their wrong doings.

                                    4. Hell bound are they forever. They march ahead towards such destiny. Their torment will not be eased a bit; nor shall they be given a respite. This is a clear sign for their followers.

                                    5. Allah forgives those followers if they repent and reform; and restrains from going after the wealth and gold and all the man invented surpluses. The proud life of people in this world is "But play and amusement, pomp and mutual boasting and multiplying among yourselves, riches and children". Hate these but keep in your heart high above them all, to follow Allah, His messengers, and your life in the cause of righteousness. 5720.

                                    6. But if they turn away not heeding, and exceeded in arrogance, crossing the limits of Allah's tolerance their seeking forgiveness will never be accepted when the promised torment comes to pass. Their alms giving, however great it may be in their reckoning, will not be accepted; no bargains on that fateful Hour; no friends will be there for their help; nor would they find any as protectors.

                                    So many ayats precede as context to 392. And for each to know the signs of each of the ayats, Allah alone is there to help on time when each of you shall reach the individualised contextual situation yourself on the prescribed Hour so that you would live out and love the glory of such life you are ushered into by the Almighty Allah. Experiencing the ayat's glad tidings under the supervision of Allah is the best of all signs.

                                    There is a difference between "the context of the ayat" (Qur'anic context - words of Allah) and "what you may understood by it" (your context - your philosophy). This is what happened in the past, where the ulama are imposing their own context to the Qur'an. Therefore, I believe your methodology or concept of interpretation contradict the following ayats. It will cause deviation and division in the society since many peoples have many different interpretations of the Qur'an, according to what they wishes (4523)(2543).

                                    Quranic context is your individual situation at any point in your lifetime. Every ayat and every word of the same ayat has 8 billion contexts if presently there is 8 billion population. And the situations in each person change by the moment and accordingly the meanings of the same ayat changes and the guidance would be perfect in the Name of Allah, the only Guide, at that moment of time if only one looks up to Him Alone without committing association.

                                    But for the dynamic Truth, I have no philosophy of this mundane world for this reason; and for the same reason I have no following or registered followers, for each has to become discreet individuals if one has to be guided solely by Allah. I do not belong to the wretched ulema category nor do I force my context. For if I do so, I am going against the Truth, that each individual's context is very different to that of another. Unless one becomes individual thinker, thus freeing himself of the shirk of obtaining thought from others, he would be deprived of the guidance from the only Allah for his Awareness of Righteousness, he is at a great loss. Every group will follow to hell with their leaders. I am not a leader but one who evolves by totally surrendering to His call and living with and as a sign from Allah. This shall be the life of one and all.

                                    This way of adherence to Quran shall never cause division or deviation from the path of Allah. I have no concept, methodology or philosophy to confuse the people except saying what I am living through. Each one shall be endowed with inspiration to righteousness by the One Inspiring Guide, well suited for the Will of Allah he possesses in his own Soul as his deep Wish.

                                    Peace.

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                                      Please go further up to ayat 385 from where the context to 391 & 92 starts.

                                      Salam

                                      Ayat 385 is the continuance of the story for the ayat 391-92. The beginning of the story starts from ayat 74. There is nothing in the whole ayat that support your argument or explain or related to "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives". The relevance ayat to explain 91 and 92 are as follows

                                      And among the People of the Scripture is he who
                                      if you entrust him with a great amount
                                      he will return it to you
                                      And among them is he who
                                      if you entrust him with a silver coin
                                      he will not return it to you
                                      unless you are constantly standing over him
                                      That is because they say
                                      "There is no blame upon us concerning the unlearned"
                                      And they speak untruth about Allah while they know
                                      (375)
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                                      Indeed, those who exchange the covenant of Allah and their oaths
                                      for a small price
                                      will have no share in the Hereafter
                                      and Allah will not speak to them
                                      or look at them on the Day of Resurrection
                                      nor will He purify them
                                      and they will have a painful punishment
                                      (377)
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                                      Indeed, those who disbelieve and die
                                      while they are disbelievers
                                      never would
                                      the capacity of the earth in gold
                                      be accepted from one of them
                                      if he would ransom himself with it
                                      For those there will be a painful punishment
                                      and they will have no helpers.
                                      (391)
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                                      Never will you attain the good
                                      until you spend
                                      from that which you love
                                      And whatever you spend
                                      indeed, Allah is Knowing of it
                                      (392)

                                      As you can see, there is nothing in the whole ayats that explain or related to giving "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives" in the way of Allah. The words "great amount ", "a silver coin", "for a small price", "the capacity of the earth in gold", "ransom", "spend", and "love" (of wealth) are the ayats that directly support the meaning of (391). It is explaining or something related to the "love of wealth", and not about scarifying or giving "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives" in the way of Allah. I believe you are making the conclusion based on what you believe and desire, not based on what the context of the ayats are explaining, and in the same section.. Allah said ..

                                      And indeed, there is among them a party
                                      who alter the Scripture
                                      with their tongues
                                      so you may think it is from the Scripture
                                      but it is not from the Scripture
                                      And they say, "This is from Allah ,"
                                      but it is not from Allah
                                      And they speak untruth about Allah while they know
                                      (37

                                      Therefore...

                                      I believe the ayat is explaining the "love of wealth (money - gold, coin, paper money etc)". Therefore, how can it be interpreted to give "our parents, children, brothers, wives, relatives" in the way of Allah. They have their own free wills, and are responsible and accountable for themselves to Allah. We are not manager over them.

                                      Secondly...

                                      Quranic context is your individual situation at any point in your lifetime. Every ayat and every word of the same ayat has 8 billion contexts if presently there is 8 billion population. And the situations in each person change by the moment and accordingly the meanings of the same ayat changes and the guidance would be perfect in the Name of Allah, the only Guide, at that moment of time if only one looks up to Him Alone without committing association.

                                      The consequences of your conclusion.. .the Qur'an follow human beings, and not we follow the Qur'an.. and as I said...

                                      Therefore, I believe your methodology or concept of interpretation that "the context of any ayat is closely connected to each one's individualistic" are contradicting the following ayats. It will cause deviation and division in the society since many peoples have many different interpretations of the Qur'an, according to their own desires (4523)(2543).

                                      and unless you have an ayat from the Qur'an to support your conclusion, I have nothing else to say on your methodology. It is simply illogical.

                                      Peace.

                                      p/s from here

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                                        Peace

                                        We don't but "Allah has power over all things"

                                        876
                                        By degrees WE shall teach Quran, so that you may not forget.

                                        Peace

                                        Therefore, human should focus on what human beings are able and should do, and not interfering and concerning with what Allah are able or should do.. since we human are not Allah, we human beings are not the above "WE"..

                                        Can you explain 876?

                                        How do you know Allah is teaching you the Qur'an?

                                        Can you prove that Allah is teaching you the Qur'an?

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                                          But for the dynamic Truth, I have no philosophy of this mundane world for this reason; and for the same reason I have no following or registered followers, for each has to become discreet individuals if one has to be guided solely by Allah. I do not belong to the wretched ulema category nor do I force my context. For if I do so, I am going against the Truth, that each individual's context is very different to that of another. Unless one becomes individual thinker, thus freeing himself of the shirk of obtaining thought from others, he would be deprived of the guidance from the only Allah for his Awareness of Righteousness, he is at a great loss. Every group will follow to hell with their leaders. I am not a leader but one who evolves by totally surrendering to His call and living with and as a sign from Allah. This shall be the life of one and all.

                                          This way of adherence to Quran shall never cause division or deviation from the path of Allah. I have no concept, methodology or philosophy to confuse the people except saying what I am living through. Each one shall be endowed with inspiration to righteousness by the One Inspiring Guide, well suited for the Will of Allah he possesses in his own Soul as his deep Wish.

                                          Peace.

                                          Wisdom! The God asks not for followers, but for leaders of their own selves. The God did not ask anybody to follow a prophet or messenger except that the messenger/prophet would guide them to being sovereigns on Earth, certainly never to follow the messenger's whim. All enlightened beings teach a person to lead within themselves, this is the mark of a true being of Love.

                                          peace

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