Gay and Muslim?

cleanfox5982

salaam
Quran pointed to homosexuality as a bad thing only in history of lot

Salam ,

In other history / dimensions / environment / societies ...is't not bad according to your understanding of that topic according to the qur'an teaching ? why do you think homosexuality was related to these people who were punished severally ?

I will share inshallah my understanding regarding this so kindly no need for someone to generalize my post

However, people of lot was condamned for a great number of sin and clearly, wife of lot was not punished for making homosexuality with men. Story of lot shows that gays of people of lot were aggressive and wanted to rape guests of lot.

As for the wife of Lot ( 3alayih salam )

29 - 33

2933(And when Our messengers came to Lot, he was distressed for them and felt for them great discomfort. They said, "Fear not, nor grieve. Indeed, we will save you and your family, except your wife; she is to be of those who remain behind.)

11 - 81

1181(The Malaayika said, "O Lot, indeed we are messengers of your Lord; , they will never reach you. So set out with your family during a portion of the night and let not any among you look back - except your wife; indeed, she will be struck by that which strikes them. Indeed, their appointment is the morning. Is not the morning near?&quot

muslims

Peace..

Wow.. a Gay Muslims issue yes

GODsubmitter

Peace..

Wow.. a Gay Muslims issue yes

Yes! and so?

And you wanted to say? ???
what is your contribution ? -\

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diamantinehoneybunch

Salaam,

I believe that some choose to be gay while some can't help being gay for example transvestites who are make up experts.

Regards,
Yuliana

muslims

Yes! and so?

And you wanted to say? ???
what is your contribution ? -\

???

Salam

I still can't imagine how Allah or the Qur'an would suggest gayism and homosexuality as our deen.

How come mut'ah, child marriage and polygamy is wrong but gayism is okay?

Justly balanced and a Muslim?

Is this sound reasoning?

This thread can't be serious right? yes

Peace

spiritual_seeker_86

Why wouldn't this thread be serious? Its very serious and relevant, if a person happens to be gay and interested in Islam. Thanks for all the respectful answers friends.

So the Koran basically suggests like the Bible that it wasn't necessarily homosexuality, but gang violence, rape, inhospitality, and so forth?

muslims

Why wouldn't this thread be serious? Its very serious and relevant, if a person happens to be gay and interested in Islam. Thanks for all the respectful answers friends.

So the Koran basically suggests like the Bible that it wasn't necessarily homosexuality, but gang violence, rape, inhospitality, and so forth?

Salam

What is a Muslim?

Peace

I wanted to ask if a person can be gay and Muslim?

spiritual_seeker_86

I, like a few others here, gather that a Muslim is a submitter to God, and not necessarily an adherence to strict religious dogmas, but remembrance of God. Any reason a gay person can't be a Muslim?

muslims

Salam

Is Munafiqoon or Mushrikeen is a Muslim?

Peace

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And (remember) Lout (Lot), when he said to his people
You commit Al-Fahishah (sodomy the worst sin)
which none has preceded you in (committing) it in the 'Alamin (mankind and jinns).
Verily, you do sodomy with men, and... <- comparison (1732)
(2929)

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Released

Peace

The Sunnis and Shias promote and carry out violence against homosexuals, probably because they've got Hadith encouraging this type of action.

Regardless of what someone's views are in regard to homosexuality, there's nothing that in the Quran that justifies violence against people who are openly gay. Apart from violence, even discrimination or slander are not permissible.

I'm on a Quran only/Progressive Thinkers facebook group where people write in anonymously with their questions. We answer to the best of our ability. Though, I couldn't believe the amount of hatred against homosexuals, within this particular Quranist group. Nobody threatened anyone violently, but they were very mean-spirited.

muslims

Salam

Between individuals (vs. state powers), it might have some truth in it and its up to the person to commit the "Al-Fahishah" or not..

Allah say..

Say, "Enjoy Yourselves! (1430)

and

O you who have believed
upon you is yourselves
(5105)

However on the issue of whether he is a Muslim ...

I wanted to ask if a person can be gay and Muslim?

I don't think he is a Muslim.. the rule is very clear.

Why he wants to change the rule and be called as a Muslim if he don't want to follow the Qur'an? hmm

Only the munafiqoon (hypocrites) and mushrikeen (associators) wants to be called or identified with for what he was not.

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Peace

Novice

Salam

Between individuals (vs. state powers), it might have some truth in it and its up to the person to commit the "Al-Fahishah" or not..

Allah say..

Say, "Enjoy Yourselves! (1430)

and

O you who have believed
upon you is yourselves
(5105)

However on the issue of whether he is a Muslim ...

I don't think he is a Muslim.. the rule is very clear.

Why he wants to change the rule and be called as a Muslim if he don't want to follow the Qur'an? hmm

Only the munafiqoon (hypocrites) and mushrikeen (associators) wants to be called or identified for what he was not.

Peace

Peace
The complete ayat is

And they set up rivals to God to mislead from His way. (They take the clergy as their
authorities instead of the Word of God, thus setting up ?rivals? to Him.) Tell
them, ?Enjoy life while you can, for your sure destination is the fire.?
Peace

muslims

Peace
The complete ayat is

And they set up rivals to God to mislead from His way. (They take the clergy as their
authorities instead of the Word of God, thus setting up ?rivals? to Him.) Tell
them, ?Enjoy life while you can, for your sure destination is the fire.?
Peace

Salam

I have given the link for further reference and "they set up rivals to God" is related to..

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Peace peace

Novice

Salam

I have given the link for further reference and "they set up rivals to God" is related to..

Peace peace

Brother I just copied and pasted from QXP. These are not my words.
Salam

muslims

Brother I just copied and pasted from QXP. These are not my words.
Salam

Salam

I know and I'm explaining so that people don't misunderstood or get confused.

Peace

p/s I leave that part "for your sure destination is the fire" for Allah to decide (it is not for human beings to decide - refer here).. and for those who wish to find out the full ayats.

spiritual_seeker_86

Salam

Is Munafiqoon or Mushrikeen is a Muslim?

Peace

(227) (57 ) (821) (3030) (446)

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And (remember) Lout (Lot), when he said to his people
You commit Al-Fahishah (sodomy the worst sin)
which none has preceded you in (committing) it in the 'Alamin (mankind and jinns).
Verily, you do sodomy with men, and... <- comparison (1732)
(2929)

(1430) (6150) (2543) (4523)

Does Al-Fahishah actually translate Sodomy? Funny the word Sodom means charred or burnt, nothing more or less. Also, if no one committed it prior its not talking about homosexuality, as homosexuality existed in cultures way more ancient than Sodom.

spiritual_seeker_86

Peace

The Sunnis and Shias promote and carry out violence against homosexuals, probably because they've got Hadith encouraging this type of action.

Regardless of what someone's views are in regard to homosexuality, there's nothing that in the Quran that justifies violence against people who are openly gay. Apart from violence, even discrimination or slander are not permissible.

I'm on a Quran only/Progressive Thinkers facebook group where people write in anonymously with their questions. We answer to the best of our ability. Though, I couldn't believe the amount of hatred against homosexuals, within this particular Quranist group. Nobody threatened anyone violently, but they were very mean-spirited.

Some people are just hateful I guess, and I wonder if they think hate and discrimination are godly values?

spiritual_seeker_86

However on the issue of whether he is a Muslim ...

I don't think he is a Muslim.. the rule is very clear.

Why he wants to change the rule and be called as a Muslim if he don't want to follow the Qur'an? hmm

Only the munafiqoon (hypocrites) and mushrikeen (associators) wants to be called or identified with for what he was not.

Peace

You can think as you wish I suppose, and may God decide all disputes. )

I don't think you've really demonstrated the Quran is against specifically homosexuality, as others mentioned, there are things like gang violence associated with the actual Quranic sin. I'd hope no one would suggest homosexuals are all violent rapists.

Ultimately I think only God could determine who believes. Again, may God decide all disputes.

Peace

Abdul-Hadi

Greetings and Peace, all group

Salam

Is Munafiqoon or Mushrikeen is a Muslim?

Peace

(227) (57 ) (821) (3030) (446)

(28) (3938) (1031) (439) (367)

And (remember) Lout (Lot), when he said to his people
You commit Al-Fahishah (sodomy the worst sin)
which none has preceded you in (committing) it in the 'Alamin (mankind and jinns).
Verily, you do sodomy with men, and... <- comparison (1732)
(2929)

(1430) (6150) (2543) (4523)

Fahisha means immorality/lewdness. Adultery is one example of fahisha. See 42531 for one example of this.

Regarding the people of Lot committing lewdness not done before...

Homosexuality has been found depicted in cave paintings that are dated to be around 12,000 years old.

Further, physical evidence remains of homosexuality in Mesopotamia around 5,000 years ago; note that this is over a thousand years before the people of Lot were destroyed (circa 1953 BCE).

Homosexuality is DEFINED as attraction to the same gender. This attraction need not be acted on for an individual to be homosexual. In the same way that a "straight" person does not have to be sexually active to be straight, a homosexual person does not have to sexually active to be homosexual. An individual does not have much choice in the matter as to what sexually attracts them.

226 GOD does not shy away from putting forth the example of a mosquito, or anything above it. As for those who believe, they know that it is the truth from their Lord. As for the rejecters, they say "What does GOD intend with this example?" He strays many by it, and He guides many by it; but He only strays by it the wicked.

Homosexuality has been found in ALL known species that reproduce sexually--and yes, this includes mosquitos.

This topic has been discussed at length in previous threads

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9601872.msg269936#msg269936

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605571.0

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603761.msg296560#msg296560

Here are some other links

http//www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspx

http//www.biolbull.org/content/149/2/365.short

http//rierc.org/social/paper162.pdf

http//news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html

http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

http//www.amazon.com/Biological-Exuberance-Homosexuality-Diversity-Stonewall/dp/031225377X

In any case, a person can be LBGT and follow the Deen...even though the "haters gonna hate."

ALLAH knows best.

peace

~Abdul-Hadi

Released

Some people are just hateful I guess, and I wonder if they think hate and discrimination are godly values?

They'll concoct while theories from their thousand and one sources. Then, they'll throw some random Quran verses in that bare no relevance. Some people are just hypocrites.