POLL: What is the true meaning of Ma Malakat Aymanukum?

diamantinehoneybunch

Please post your arguments with solid evidences why you voted so (If you have) such as very old lexicons, dictionaries, poems, books etc.

Or verses from Qur'an.

hafeez_kazi

Peace Yuliana

Neither of the five means MMA and I believe that its definition is described in the Quran and not in Lexicons or dictionaries.

O Prophet, We have made lawful to you the WOMEN to whom you have given dowries and what is owned (by) your oath, OF those whom Allah has given thee as (females) spoils of war and the daughters of your paternal uncles and paternal aunts, and of your paternal and maternal aunts who migrated with you; and any believing woman who gives herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet wishes to take her in marriage. This is only for you and not any other believer. We know the duties We have imposed on them concerning their wives and what is owned (by) their oaths, so that there should be no fault in you. Allah is the Forgiving and Merciful. (33 50)

Those surviving females, who lost everything in the war including their families and relatives and do not have any financial support and are at the mercy of the invading enemy and / or the people of her own country are called MMA but only after when they are hired for their SERVICES by means of an oath. Similarly all females who do not have parents, relatives to support them and no proper shelter can become MMA once they are owned by an oath by the believers for their SERVICES.

There are many maids working in the homes but all are not MMA

And whoever (singular) among you has not the power to prolong the marrying of a free believing women (let him marry) what is owned (by) your oath FROM your (plural) believing FEMALE SERVANTS. Allah knows best your belief, you are from each other. Marry them with the permission of their people (their owners (by) oath) and give them their due compensation what is reasonable (and do not be) lustful and do not take them as secret lovers. But when they (become) free (from the bondage and are married) and if they commit unlawful sex, they shall be liable to half the punishment of a free woman. That is for those of you who fear fornication, but it is better for you to be patient. Allah is the Forgiver, the Most Merciful. (4 25)

There are many female servants but the ones who are owned (by)means of an oath are called MMAs

Hope you understood

Thanks.

noshirk

salaam
concubine. No doubt
peace

diamantinehoneybunch

I don't know what kind of religion allows having sex with slaves / servants, concubines. Men don't love their concubines. I don't understand why you guys keep saying that it is deen of peace but allows having sex with owned slaves / prisoners / captives / servants / maids. Seriously? Sometimes I feel like I wanna give up on religions.

noshirk

I don't know what kind of religion allows having sex with slaves / servants, concubines. Men don't love their concubines. I don't understand why you guys keep saying that it is deen of peace but allows having sex with owned slaves / prisoners / captives / servants / maids. Seriously? Sometimes I feel like I wanna give up on religions.

salaam

concubine points to a relation without marriage contract. a simple verbal commitment.
if you read carefully verses where "ayman" appears, you will see that
Allah don't appreciate this kind of relation.
Allah encourages regularisation by "nikah contract".
Allah ask men to help their concubines marry other men if they don't want marry them
Allah opposes concubines to mohsanat (women with no financial need) in some verses
...

just replacing "slaves" by "concubines" in "olds" understandings is not sufficient.
concubines is not a "harem" concept.

Peace

huruf

Not to be forgotten that women also have ma malakat ayman...

Ma is a pronoun for things = what

What your right hands hold.

So it is not persons what is owned or held by that right hand, it is something but not a person. It should be something that pertains to a person, which may be a guardianship, a dependency, a pledge that ties one to the other... I think that mamalakat is a category or relationship between blood unrelated persons that entitles the held person to the protection, or the oversight, or the guarantee of the holder, obliging the held to faithfulness in whatever sphere he or she has undertaken the pledge.

Salaam

diamantinehoneybunch

salaam

concubine points to a relation without marriage contract. a simple verbal commitment.
if you read carefully verses where "ayman" appears, you will see that
Allah don't appreciate this kind of relation.
Allah encourages regularisation by "nikah contract".
Allah ask men to help their concubines marry other men if they don't want marry them
Allah opposes concubines to mohsanat (women with no financial need) in some verses
...

just replacing "slaves" by "concubines" in "olds" understandings is not sufficient.
concubines is not a "harem" concept.

Peace

Sounds to me like fiancee.

noshirk

Not to be forgotten that women also have ma malakat ayman...

Ma is a pronoun for things = what

What your right hands hold.

So it is not persons what is owned or held by that right hand, it is something but not a person. It should be something that pertains to a person, which may be a guardianship, a dependency, a pledge that ties one to the other... I think that mamalakat is a category or relationship between blood unrelated persons that entitles the held person to the protection, or the oversight, or the guarantee of the holder, obliging the held to faithfulness in whatever sphere he or she has undertaken the pledge.

Salaam
these are verses where you cannot traduce "ayman" by right hand
2-224 ; 2-225 ;.4-33 ; 5-89 ;16-92 ;16-94 ;66-2
peace

noshirk

Sounds to me like fiancee.

salaam

it is a "romantic" perception. I like the way you thinked. But it is not true.
Concubinage is the kind of relation practiced now in many european countries.
in these relations, women have no "rights".
Quran says in 4-24, that "nikah contract" is an obligation with mohsanat (women with no financial needs).
but for women who have not "where to go", it can be tolerated.

Nikah Contract is mainly "a financial agreement". Married women have to take "wages" for the job.

read carefully this

1671 And God has preferred some of you over others in provision. Yet, those who have been preferred will not relinquish their provision to those who MALAKAT AYMANOHOM, that they may become equal in it. Is it the favor of God that they deny?

24-33 ask men to marry with a concubine if she ask for that.

Peace

diamantinehoneybunch

So how many concubines can a man have? So he can 'do' all them?
So women can have their concubines too because there are also MMA that belong to women? -\

Man_of_Faith

Salaam,

I think like some other people here think, that the phrase means those you are not married to but they are not married either, fiance/e. However, I believe that it is not okay just to have sex from right to left when it pleases you and a possibly pregnancy is a binding event. If you make the woman pregnant then you are stuck with responsibilities if you are truly a Muslim.

God bless you

Mazhar

So how many concubines can a man have? So he can 'do' all them?
So women can have their concubines too because there are also MMA that belong to women? -\

con?cu?bine
(plural con?cu?bines)
noun

official mistress in some cultures a woman who is the lover of a wealthy married man but with the social status of a subordinate form of wife, often kept in a separate home, especially in imperial China
woman lover living with man a woman who lives with a man and has a sexual relationship with him but is not married to him (dated)

How and the purpose for which the women; irrespective of status she holds, might be sought by men

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Take note Women other than the sanctified-prohibited are declared lawfully permissible-knot liquefied for you.

They are made permissible solely and exclusively for the purpose that you might sincerely seek them with your wealth in the manner of those who seek women for taking them in protective fold of Matrimonial Bond Nikah rendering them a pearl of household.

Their seeking is not allowed with wealth in the manner of debauch men for sexual lust-merely for flowing out the "water momentary intercourse".

Translation after grammatical parsisng of sentences, 424

mmkhan

Not to be forgotten that women also have ma malakat ayman...

Ma is a pronoun for things = what

What your right hands hold.

Salaam,

If you are saying "Ma" cannot refer to a person, then how can one get marry to things? 425.
BTW, please take a look at this thread.

May Allah bless you pr
mmKhan

GODsubmitter

What is MA MALAKAT AYMANUKUM in English?

Which aya is it?

How one is expected to answer the poll if one doesn't understand Arabic? ???

357

Lets get off the sunni boat

if we can only have a sexual relationship with our wives and or malakat aymanokum then surely with our understanding of the Quran

Wives are malakat aymanokum = That to which you have a right over by way of their oath of marriage.

i think (see M Asad's translation)

peace

noshirk

So how many concubines can a man have? So he can 'do' all them?
So women can have their concubines too because there are also MMA that belong to women? -\

salaam
theorem
whenever there is a feminin concubine, there is masculine concubin.

you can traduce by girlfriend/boyfriend with sexual friendship if you want.

for the number. Only one.
there was only one exception, Muhammad. Allah allowed him to marry all the concubines he had before he received revelation in the "night of decree". After that, it was forbidden to him to take other spouses or to exchange one by another.
Verses to read carefully 33-50 to 33-52.

of course, you have to throw away the tale about the marriage with a woman called khadija.
Do you know , that in that "cendrilla" tale, where a princess married with the orphan Muhammed, father of the princess refused the marriage. To convince him, the tale says that the princes convinced his father by making him drunk ?
Can you accept this tale ?

Peace

huruf

Salaam,

If you are saying "Ma" cannot refer to a person, then how can one get marry to things? 425.
BTW, please take a look at this thread.

May Allah bless you pr
mmKhan

Ma is not a person, that is clear, the persons over something of whom other has domain or authority are called by the thing itself, and the whole is shortened meaning the persons who have that thing over which others yamin malakat. I thought it was obvious, the same as when somebody asks for somebody else's hand in fact is not asking for her hand but for the whole of the person in marriage.

The point is that nobody is being the owner or possessor of anubody else, but merely hold some office concerning that person.

Salaam

GODsubmitter

What is MA MALAKAT AYMANUKUM in English?

Which aya is it?

How one is expected to answer the poll if one doesn't understand Arabic? ???

good_logic

Peace Godsubmitter.

"Mamalakat Aymanukum" means different things in different verses.For example

It may mean here " What you already have"?

Or

It may mean here"What is permitted to you"?

As far as I understand it does ot mean the same thing in all the verses.

Pace to you

mmkhan

Ma is not a person, that is clear, the persons over something of whom other has domain or authority are called by the thing itself, and the whole is shortened meaning the persons who have that thing over which others yamin malakat. I thought it was obvious, the same as when somebody asks for somebody else's hand in fact is not asking for her hand but for the whole of the person in marriage.

The point is that nobody is being the owner or possessor of anubody else, but merely hold some office concerning that person.

Salaam

Salaam,

I don't think I understand your point. Can you please rephrase it? Thanks.

May Allah bless you pr
mmKhan