What is FEMINISM? Is feminism an insult word?

unknownuser

So earthdom, according to you, God cannot ever speak about men and women in the Qur'an aithout it meaning husbands and weives. You are forbidding God to say anything about women or men. Rijaal is nto husband never, so why the opposite of rijaal in that aya would be wives. Whom are playing with.

If rijaal and nisaa' is not about husband and wive, then what about nusyuj, and what about separate from the madza'?? Of course this is about couple relationship.

It is shocking when men start to feel good about themselves and to have found a trick to circumvent clear words of God they get bold and try to push down other people's throats their won arrangments of what God MUST say. -rijaal continue to be rijaal but women become unfailingly wives. Please, please, please and they you top it call saying that we pursue our own emotional value. What yous ay is insulting and besides, what do you pursue when you trick with the Qur'ans words, your own hormonal value? could be?

And I more confused for what hormonal value do you mean??Emotional value??

This is the best intepretation for 443 I have, and I hope you do not believe what s**t orientalist views regarding to Islam.
You must learn about "obedient" not by strange prespective.I don't know for why both of you two, when I said "obediend to husband" then you have negative atmosphere.

Yeah maybe you see "obedient" by looking Middle eastern libidoic culture like hareem etc, forced slave.No I don't meant that like that.

Obedient in our society is Obedient but independence, independence but do not forget her status as her wive.

I still remember if you live in Spain, now to understand the meaning of "true obedient" please stusy about southeast or eastern asian culture, just not by libidoic ulama's daily life.

Earthdom, I am worried about you. What have you smoked? Are you a prophet of the same category as Muhammad? What have you blabbered in that post about 66.5? Are you out of your mind? Can you imagine khatam annabiyin writing what to me is absolute nonsense that you have poured in your lasts posts? Wake up man, all men are not prophets just as all men are not firw3awn. If you start that we all will be authorized to treat to like criminals should be treated, bcause in the Qur'an there are also criminal men being addressed.

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Indeed our main problem in discussion is the differences in culture.I live in South Eastern hermisphere, you in Spain.Then how, how we must got the point.
Beside that I don't know Spain's culture, is "obedient wive" is something negative in there??

learning_truth81

Earthdom, I am worried about you. What have you smoked? Are you a prophet of the same category as Muhammad? What have you blabbered in that post about 66.5? Are you out of your mind? Can you imagine khatam annabiyin writing what to me is absolute nonsense that you have poured in your lasts posts? Wake up man, all men are not prophets just as all men are not firw3awn. If you start that we all will be authorized to treat to like criminals should be treated, bcause in the Qur'an there are also criminal men being addressed.

Really worried about you.

Salaam

From your posts I can clearly see you have some seriously big hangups and disdain for men. It's totally clear. I really don't think I would like to know you, you are not much better than men who love to talk badly about women. i know men like that, and your tone isn't so different. You also come with some crazy sweeping assumptions and misconstrue people's posts without grasping a single thing of what is actually being said to you.

Eartdom hasn't actually said anything that is all that wrong to be honest. I grasped what he is trying to say and anyone with a sound mind could understand his reasoning. He's not giving the old boys club this and boys club that, or telling people to obey men instead of god, you take everything out of context.

Obeying the husband does not mean you are not obeying god. it's not one of the other. What is the opposite of obey? to not obey? defiance, rebel, ignore? Has god said then, to do the opposite? which includes these things? No i think you will find not. So there is nothing unislamic to obey the husband. A lot of good would come out of that surely? If the husband is attentive the the wife's needs and respects her and he is reasonable in how he treats her, then what is the problem with that?

We can look at historical context too, and where would you find, even pre Quran in Abrahamic times, the wife not obeying the husband? Quran has not invented a religion remember that, it is reinforcing what true monotheism was at one point in time.

Tell me then, how much the wife, behave in a relationship? please explain what is your understanding of the role of the wife in Islam? If it is to defy, ignore, rebel, then how do you expect the husband then to listen to, or tend to the wife's needs or support her if she is too busy living for herself? No point being in a marriage then is there???

Both Husband and wife have a duty towards each other to tend to and fulfill each other's needs. That can only happen if there is mutual respect and the wife does have to obey the husband, without any level of obedience what is there???? Nothing! just two people living separate lives which together? Is that a marriage?

Then also when kids come in to the equation you going to tell me that the husband is not to be the dominant figure in the upbringing of the child? The male has always been the disciplinarian because men and women have different traits, strengths and weaknesses. Also how does a child respect the father, if the mother is boss? or the mother is calling the shots? Again, your argument becomes so simplistic and takes the context away and you are in a wishy washy liberal new age thinking.

If you claim to follow the guidance and do right by god, then you need to do as muslims, monotheists have done through the ages. Was it ever taught that women do not and should not obey the husband? Find me proof of this, that women were ever in a position to defy the husband? As long as the husband is not abusing his power, he does have a right to establish some order and set some ground rules. The wife too can have input and both should work together to create a harmonious atmosphere and love, understanding and respect would flourish. Not all this talk of defiance and non obedience.

huruf

Do not exert yourself, earthdom, I know exactly what you mean by obedient you mean anything, whatever, but it must be called obedient when we are speaking about women, because otherwise the men will suffer unsufferably in their male egos. So let it be whatever, does not matter, provided you call it obedient. Any man needs an "obedient-wife" in his life in order to feel he is somebody even if she does not obey.

I understand it, earthdom. It is not in the Qur'an and you and I fear you have not read many things that have been written in threads in which you participaed. Those question you pose have already been answered ad nauseam, too bad you do not remember or you do not like to remember or want to forget. You can always look for them. At any rate, so, according to you when it is spoken about nushuz and the suject is a woman it means obedience, and it does not mean obedience when the subject is a man? I sthat it?

The madaji3 are not the beds, but the lohabitual lodgement of anybody as is shown by other ayas of the Qur'an. And what is more, men (be they husbands or be they nightguards or escapists or ironmongers) are not told to do anything either about the wives or the women except be their supporters.

The aya is not addresed to them or to the women, it is addressed to the community. The community of believers is addressed explicitly in aya 28 and since them the addresse has not chnaged nor changes in the next ayas. So not the men nor the husbands are being told to do anything whatsoever as to those from whon nushuz is feared, but the community of believing men and women is told to do such and such. The men do nothing and God commands them nothing as such men, but it is the community of the believers that is told to warn, let women alone in their homes or make them aware of the situation.

Man, Earthdom, after all the time you have been in the forum and asked so much an intervened so much, it really puzzles me where you have got up to.
How comforting to be able to extract by hook or crook something out of the Qur'an that puts you on the top of the sex pyramid. They must be very right those who speak about the erotics of power.

As far as I am concerned I am hard up to feel anything but comtempt for those males who need to feel that they are over women or need their obedience, according to you token obedience. It is really not serious y denotes a lack of self-confidence of trust in God and in their own ability to be loved that really makes them pitiful. No man in his senses would want to be obeyed by his wife, an adult like himself, a companion, respected and loved yes. Obeyed? Marriage is like the army? Seems utterly pitiful. Men who are really deserving of respect do not have those stupid delusions, they would hate to be treated like that by their faithful companions. Do we want to be obeyed by friends? Is a wife less of a comrade and a friend.

Very, very, very shocking indeed.

Salaam

huruf