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Quran - The Wahi or Intuition

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    DrGm
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    peace,

    the first time, i read Quran only one thought was in my mind - what is in this Scripture/Veda? so, i read the book fully, it took few months. when i was reading, i had many questions answered. after i finished i felt, "that's all?" i expected more. again, i started reading from the beginning. again new meanings and the beauty is everything related to our life application only.

    i do not have belief in God till then. i took the book only to find how to lead a righteous life. everytime, a meaning is understood from the book, it removed a dependence in me.

    when i was reading the third time, i felt many verses mainly talking about rejecters suits people around me. sometimes, i felt, many muslims/christians/hindus,etc. around and across are perfectly matching the rejecter verses. i also felt all good things mentioned is for me and bad things to others. when i said this to my mentor, he said, " both is for you, when you read Quran It speaks to you and only about you. so do not think It is talking about others. keep reading this in mind".

    Quran reading after this gave more fear and near God...

    peace

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      " both is for you, when you read Quran It speaks to you and only about you. so do not think It is talking about others. keep reading this in mind".

      Very wise!

      At the same time as verses do indeed talk about others, we need to apply all what it says on particularly ourselves. This is because we are only responsible for ourselves and we are not supposed to judge others. God knows about others and it is not our job to pass judgement on others. It is however the habit of our fearful ego to blame others and divert attention away from ourselves. We judge others and forget ourselves.

      In this sense, it is very wise indeed to take all verses as talking about us and our own life. We are after all only and totally responsible for our own deeds and lives.

      Peace

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        peace earthdom,

        what is hidayah.

        peace.

        Salaam DrGM.

        Ooops I misswrote .Actulally the word "hidayah" is an indonesization from Arabic word hadaa or hudan and means guidance in english.

        I mean when you reading Quran, the God Al-Mighty gave you guidance when you tried to study it's messages.I'm also felt the same whwn I tried to study Quran more intensive.

        Keep on straight path and you will get to the jannah.

        Peace

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          DrGm
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          Very wise!

          In this sense, it is very wise indeed to take all verses as talking about us and our own life. We are after all only and totally responsible for our own deeds and lives.

          Peace

          peace,

          yes.

          peace

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            DrGm
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            peace,

            why do we need a message? when we need a message? what is the message?

            when we deviate from the path of Allah, to bring us in His path He sends us the message. i.e. when we are lowering our status and identifying ourselves with the majority. to make us individuals following only Allah. when the message is received those who repent and seek Allah alone do not fear nor grief. those repent can identify their messengers as their own kin. the messengers live by the verse(s) and are examples.

            238 - We said, "Go down from it, all of you. And when message/guidance comes to you from Me, whoever follows My guidance - there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they grieve.

            2146 - Those to whom We gave the scripture /message know him as they know their own sons. But indeed, a party of them conceal the truth while they know.

            735 - O children of Adam, if there come to you messengers from among you relating to you My verses/message, then whoever fears Allah and reforms - there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they grieve.

            peace

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              DrGm
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              peace,

              God's system - if man adhere God's system he will live in peace. this system is following his own heart. no data he needs to collect for there is no corruption. the laws and rules are individualized. he needs nothing to prove to any one. he only shows the path to others in need.

              man made system - if man adhere to man made system he will confront fear, grief, sad, irritation, pride. this system goes against the heart. needs data to make people believe as if it is good, can make corruption. the rules /laws doesn't suit individual but suits the system for ulterior motives.

              peace.

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                Man_of_Faith
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                Fare thee well,

                If it is the same word origin as the word hedyeh in Persian (Farsi) it means gift.

                I suppose it can be related to that be blessed by God and thus being a gift from Him. That is the best hedyeh you can get. The word is also used as a girl's name in Iran.

                God bless you

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                  GODsubmitter
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                  peace,

                  why do we need a message? when we need a message? what is the message?

                  when we deviate from the path of Allah, to bring us in His path He sends us the message. i.e. when we are lowering our status and identifying ourselves with the majority. to make us individuals following only Allah. when the message is received those who repent and seek Allah alone do not fear nor grief. those repent can identify their messengers as their own kin. the messengers live by the verse(s) and are examples.

                  238 - We said, "Go down from it, all of you. And when message/guidance comes to you from Me, whoever follows My guidance - there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they grieve.

                  2146 - Those to whom We gave the scripture /message know him as they know their own sons. But indeed, a party of them conceal the truth while they know.

                  735 - O children of Adam, if there come to you messengers from among you relating to you My verses/message, then whoever fears Allah and reforms - there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they grieve.

                  peace

                  Beautiful thread, you write nice posts.
                  Thank you
                  group

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                    DrGm
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                    peace,

                    believing and submission

                    how do i take? i believe and then submit or submit and then believe?

                    believing in God first or submitting to God first? how can i believe God who cannot be seen? how can i submit to God without knowing Him?

                    i see the creations within me and around me with perfectness fulfilling the need, then i believe there is a Creator and Controller. i haven't seen Him. still i believe there is One, righteous belief without compulsion. believing - the Creator will be my Provider, of all my needs. 'believing the unseen is faith'. asking Him to increase the belief in me is my prayer. asking Him and relying only on Him for my needs is a process after seeing the signs from Him that my every need is fulfilled only by Him. this way, i'm starting to know Him. also, in this process i pray i should not have any doubt in Him that He will not provide.

                    slowly, i am progressed, to submit to Him only in all my needs with the firm belief He has given. then i will be made to submit to Him finally, with firm belief. "submitting with Peace is the seal of belief ". the quantum of belief is measurable only by Him.

                    if i submit first without believing then it is out of fear or compulsion to the mighty or powerful which i can see by my eyes. that which i can see is not God.

                    so, i believe first that He will make me to submit finally in Peace.

                    You are the All-Know'er.

                    peace

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                      DrGm
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                      peace,

                      3121 - when you left your household early in the morning, to reinforce the believers in just-war. Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower.

                      i find this, as one of the qualities of a messenger. he begins his day in the early morning to set out to ascertain the believers in their belief in Allah alone in all their needs. to believe and live a life Allah alone is just war waged. this war is waged towards my ego, pride, knowledge, jealous, etc.,

                      Allah alone - eg

                      • no Curer other than Allah alone

                      • no Provider other than Allah alone

                      • no Ruler/Boss/Employer other than Allah alone

                      etc.,
                      peace

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                        GODsubmitter
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                        peace,
                        Allah alone - eg

                        • no Curer other than Allah alone

                        • no Provider other than Allah alone

                        • no Ruler/Boss/Employer other than Allah alone

                        etc.,
                        peace

                        Agreed.
                        Thank you

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                          DrGm
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                          Beautiful thread, you write nice posts.
                          Thank you
                          group

                          Agreed.
                          Thank you

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                            2124
                            Abraham was tried by his Lord with certain commands, which he fulfilled.
                            2131
                            When his Lord said to him, "Submit", he said I submit myself to the Lord of the worlds.

                            What a lovely way to live. Only when I lose my knowledge - accumulated through seeing, hearing, through education, etc. totally, will i be able to surrender, submit to God's commands all my life. God loves me if I am obedient to Him.

                            I realize that I have to unlearn, uncondition, empty - my learned knowledge, and have a ever ready, open mind to learn and keep learning, receiving fresh, new wisdom/clarity, leading to constant elevation - steps, levels, positions.

                            First step of reflection/pondering ask a question or question why it is happening - internally in my mind and not aloud.
                            Second step wait for an answer from the Divine.
                            Third step When I get a response, sometimes instantly sometimes later, accept, internalise it, wish it, handover to God, ask His help to make that good wish as my life, make me live in that good.
                            Clarity is born, then I'm made to live it or I live it and then clarity is born.
                            Once this is fulfulled, it becomes a proof, sign, evidence and i'm elevated to the next.
                            Everything is made smooth and easy, effortless. Nothing for me to do, only wish for it and be on guard/alert to stay away from wrong doing.

                            When I think - I have to live, I have to do, it becomes a burden/stress/heavy for me.
                            When I allow Him to do His work without putting myself as an hindrance in His path - by way of my knowledge, pride, jealousy, unjust behaviour, desires, arrogance, stubbornness, fear, doubt - He makes it a smooth transition, baby step by baby step, ever so subtle and gentle.

                            2132
                            And this was the legacy - total submission to Allah - that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the straight path for you; then die not except as men who are belonging only to Him - His slave".

                            What a great way to live and exit this world and it is possible only with His help. If I believe in Him, He will not allow me to die unfulfilled in any aspect.

                            in His Obeisance,
                            gita

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                              newmoon
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                              2124
                              Abraham was tried by his Lord with certain commands, which he fulfilled.
                              2131
                              When his Lord said to him, "Submit", he said I submit myself to the Lord of the worlds.

                              What a lovely way to live. Only when I lose my knowledge - accumulated through seeing, hearing, through education, etc. totally, will i be able to surrender, submit to God's commands all my life. God loves me if I am obedient to Him.

                              I realize that I have to unlearn, uncondition, empty - my learned knowledge, and have a ever ready, open mind to learn and keep learning, receiving fresh, new wisdom/clarity, leading to constant elevation - steps, levels, positions.

                              First step of reflection/pondering ask a question or question why it is happening - internally in my mind and not aloud.
                              Second step wait for an answer from the Divine.
                              Third step When I get a response, sometimes instantly sometimes later, accept, internalise it, wish it, handover to God, ask His help to make that good wish as my life, make me live in that good.
                              Clarity is born, then I'm made to live it or I live it and then clarity is born.
                              Once this is fulfulled, it becomes a proof, sign, evidence and i'm elevated to the next.

                              Everything is made smooth and easy, effortless. Nothing for me to do, only wish for it and be on guard/alert to stay away from wrong doing.

                              When I think - I have to live, I have to do, it becomes a burden/stress/heavy for me.
                              When I allow Him to do His work without putting myself as an hindrance in His path - by way of my knowledge, pride, jealousy, unjust behaviour, desires, arrogance, stubbornness, fear, doubt - He makes it a smooth transition, baby step by baby step, ever so subtle and gentle.

                              2132
                              so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the straight path for you; then die not except as men who are belonging only to Him".

                              What a great way to live and exit this world and it is possible only with His help. If I believe in Him, He will not allow me to die unfulfilled in any aspect.

                              in His Obeisance,
                              gita

                              Scintillating

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                                DrGm
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                                What a lovely way to live.

                                peace,

                                in the path of peace.

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                                  DrGm
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                                  peace,

                                  evil attracts evil; good attracts good.

                                  if one's heart has evil in it, it observes (see, hear, speak) only evil. if i find a fault in you, it means i have it in me. i will not accuse others only when i am clean of that accuse in me. in other words, if i say, "you liar" it means, i also lie. as there is 'lie' within me, i can identify similar 'lies'.

                                  1041 - Woe to every accuser and mocker

                                  to clean myself, i should repent to my Lord, the Purifier to make me clean from the fault i find in others. so that every fault i find in you i ask forgiveness and repent to the Purifier to purify me. this act comes to end only when this earthly life ends. my Lord is the Purifier, the Acceptor of repentance and the Forgiver.

                                  the day i do not find any fault in others....a 'man' is born again.

                                  peace.

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                                    GODsubmitter
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                                    peace,

                                    evil attracts evil; good attracts good.

                                    if one's heart has evil in it, it observes (see, hear, speak) only evil. if i find a fault in you, it means i have it in me. i will not accuse others only when i am clean of that accuse in me. in other words, if i say, "you liar" it means, i also lie. as there is 'lie' within me, i can identify similar 'lies'.

                                    1041 - Woe to every accuser and mocker

                                    to clean myself, i should repent to my Lord, the Purifier to make me clean from the fault i find in others. so that every fault i find in you i ask forgiveness and repent to the Purifier to purify me. this act comes to end only when this earthly life ends. my Lord is the Purifier, the Acceptor of repentance and the Forgiver.

                                    the day i do not find any fault in others....a 'man' is born again.

                                    peace.

                                    This is excellent!
                                    Thank you so much!

                                    PEACE

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                                      newmoon
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                                      peace,

                                      evil attracts evil; good attracts good.

                                      if one's heart has evil in it, it observes (see, hear, speak) only evil. if i find a fault in you, it means i have it in me. i will not accuse others only when i am clean of that accuse in me. in other words, if i say, "you liar" it means, i also lie. as there is 'lie' within me, i can identify similar 'lies'.

                                      1041 - Woe to every accuser and mocker

                                      to clean myself, i should repent to my Lord, the Purifier to make me clean from the fault i find in others. so that every fault i find in you i ask forgiveness and repent to the Purifier to purify me. this act comes to end only when this earthly life ends. my Lord is the Purifier, the Acceptor of repentance and the Forgiver.

                                      the day i do not find any fault in others....a 'man' is born again.

                                      peace.

                                      Peace DrGm

                                      Very True Just like a Just Born, Only we can Aspire by HIS Admission and there is no need to Perspire as in Vogue.

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                                        Bender
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                                        peace,

                                        evil attracts evil; good attracts good.

                                        if one's heart has evil in it, it observes (see, hear, speak) only evil. if i find a fault in you, it means i have it in me. i will not accuse others only when i am clean of that accuse in me. in other words, if i say, "you liar" it means, i also lie. as there is 'lie' within me, i can identify similar 'lies'.
                                        1041 - Woe to every accuser and mocker

                                        to clean myself, i should repent to my Lord, the Purifier to make me clean from the fault i find in others. so that every fault i find in you i ask forgiveness and repent to the Purifier to purify me. this act comes to end only when this earthly life ends. my Lord is the Purifier, the Acceptor of repentance and the Forgiver.

                                        the day i do not find any fault in others....a 'man' is born again.

                                        peace.

                                        Salaam,

                                        Most of times I agree with your posts and the postst of the other dr's here but this is one of the exceptions, or I do not understand what you are saying.

                                        RED When I see someone steel/rape/kill/commit adultery etc etc etc I can reconize it as a bad/evil thing but as far as I know it does not mean I have the same evil in me.

                                        I believe when one can not reconize evil from good then he/she has a real problem.
                                        But maybe I am misunderstanding what you are trying to say.

                                        Salaam,
                                        Bender

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                                          DrGm
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                                          if one's heart has evil in it, it observes (see, hear, speak) only evil. if i find a fault in you, it means i have it in me. i will not accuse others only when i am clean of that accuse in me. in other words, if i say, "you liar" it means, i also lie. as there is 'lie' within me, i can identify similar 'lies'.

                                          Salaam,

                                          Most of times I agree with your posts and the postst of the other dr's here but this is one of the exceptions, or I do not understand what you are saying.

                                          RED When I see someone steel/rape/kill/commit adultery etc etc etc I can reconize it as a bad/evil thing but as far as I know it does not mean I have the same evil in me.

                                          I believe when one can not reconize evil from good then he/she has a real problem.
                                          But maybe I am misunderstanding what you are trying to say.

                                          Salaam,
                                          Bender

                                          peace Bender,

                                          yes, you are right, when one can not recognize good from evil, he is away from God. only by God's mercy we are able to identify good from bad. this is one of the properties of Quran. what we need is ever increasing in our discerning ability, this becomes our prayer.

                                          we have become so proud because of our knowledge or wealth, that we find faults in others and we want/force them to admit it. we'll not accept their reasons. if someone find fault in our's we argue that there is a reason. so, mine is not fault but yours is. this is our next need, get rid from this attitude, so we pray God.

                                          i should not do anything bad, but it is not easier for me being like that or i can't. so i ask God to make me live without doing bad. for this i should know what is bad. identifying bad in me is a great blessing from our Creator. after identifying i put the responsibility in my Lord to change my behavior because i can't. He is Acceptor of responsibility, the Reformer.

                                          even before this i should accept to my heart i am 'really' bad. accepting my fault is a quality that will earn me God's nearness. so next, i ask/pray God to teach me to accept my fault. when God's mercy is near me, i will be able to identify good and bad. if someone is finding fault in me, he is in fact helping me to identify my faults. we are great in finding fault in others. others findings in me is also a way of God's teaching and also making us humble to accept it.

                                          now, when He places me in a life, starting without faults and ending without any faults as results of my prayers by giving my responsibilities only to Him. slowly, in this process tuned to my pace, he make my life away from speaking, seeing, hearing steal/rape/kill/commit adultery etc etc etc.

                                          we should accept we are at present not making these faults because He has put us away from these situations for some of our unknown goodness. else, we would be making the same. we should be grateful to Him for this.

                                          so, first i should not do any bad as mentioned by you. i seek God's support for this. then i should not see anything around me, i seek God's Mercy. if there is nothing of this kind around me then i will not find it in others too or in other words, i will be surrounded by people who are seekers of God only. even when evil minded nears me, He will make them good as long as they are near me, so that i will not see, hear, speak evil. it is a process easier only for God. i should believe in this, wish His will, for sure happening only by Him.

                                          i admit, to identify bad, remove it from good, living righteous, all can happen only by the mercy of Almighty, the Justice. changes in me indicates changes in my surrounding.

                                          for eg if i say you are jealous, proud. it means i should admit i too have jealous, proud in me. sometimes answering questions itself will give us hidden pride. regarding stealing, if i am generous to others around me, it will remove the stealing attitude from others. generous in me and removal of stealing attitude in others are the duty of God, the Peacemaker. watching self and asking God for improvement in good and removing bad is a continuous process in our life.

                                          2411 - those who accuse, for sure, they are one among you. but, do not think 'that' is bad for you. that is good for you. unto each is what he earn from his sin. and who's share is more among them will get greater punishment.

                                          i hope i have explained.

                                          peace.

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