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    DrGm
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    peace,

    believing and submission

    how do i take? i believe and then submit or submit and then believe?

    believing in God first or submitting to God first? how can i believe God who cannot be seen? how can i submit to God without knowing Him?

    i see the creations within me and around me with perfectness fulfilling the need, then i believe there is a Creator and Controller. i haven't seen Him. still i believe there is One, righteous belief without compulsion. believing - the Creator will be my Provider, of all my needs. 'believing the unseen is faith'. asking Him to increase the belief in me is my prayer. asking Him and relying only on Him for my needs is a process after seeing the signs from Him that my every need is fulfilled only by Him. this way, i'm starting to know Him. also, in this process i pray i should not have any doubt in Him that He will not provide.

    slowly, i am progressed, to submit to Him only in all my needs with the firm belief He has given. then i will be made to submit to Him finally, with firm belief. "submitting with Peace is the seal of belief ". the quantum of belief is measurable only by Him.

    if i submit first without believing then it is out of fear or compulsion to the mighty or powerful which i can see by my eyes. that which i can see is not God.

    so, i believe first that He will make me to submit finally in Peace.

    You are the All-Know'er.

    peace

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      DrGm
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      peace,

      3121 - when you left your household early in the morning, to reinforce the believers in just-war. Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower.

      i find this, as one of the qualities of a messenger. he begins his day in the early morning to set out to ascertain the believers in their belief in Allah alone in all their needs. to believe and live a life Allah alone is just war waged. this war is waged towards my ego, pride, knowledge, jealous, etc.,

      Allah alone - eg

      • no Curer other than Allah alone

      • no Provider other than Allah alone

      • no Ruler/Boss/Employer other than Allah alone

      etc.,
      peace

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        GODsubmitter
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        peace,
        Allah alone - eg

        • no Curer other than Allah alone

        • no Provider other than Allah alone

        • no Ruler/Boss/Employer other than Allah alone

        etc.,
        peace

        Agreed.
        Thank you

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          DrGm
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          Beautiful thread, you write nice posts.
          Thank you
          group

          Agreed.
          Thank you

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            Wiselite
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            2124
            Abraham was tried by his Lord with certain commands, which he fulfilled.
            2131
            When his Lord said to him, "Submit", he said I submit myself to the Lord of the worlds.

            What a lovely way to live. Only when I lose my knowledge - accumulated through seeing, hearing, through education, etc. totally, will i be able to surrender, submit to God's commands all my life. God loves me if I am obedient to Him.

            I realize that I have to unlearn, uncondition, empty - my learned knowledge, and have a ever ready, open mind to learn and keep learning, receiving fresh, new wisdom/clarity, leading to constant elevation - steps, levels, positions.

            First step of reflection/pondering ask a question or question why it is happening - internally in my mind and not aloud.
            Second step wait for an answer from the Divine.
            Third step When I get a response, sometimes instantly sometimes later, accept, internalise it, wish it, handover to God, ask His help to make that good wish as my life, make me live in that good.
            Clarity is born, then I'm made to live it or I live it and then clarity is born.
            Once this is fulfulled, it becomes a proof, sign, evidence and i'm elevated to the next.
            Everything is made smooth and easy, effortless. Nothing for me to do, only wish for it and be on guard/alert to stay away from wrong doing.

            When I think - I have to live, I have to do, it becomes a burden/stress/heavy for me.
            When I allow Him to do His work without putting myself as an hindrance in His path - by way of my knowledge, pride, jealousy, unjust behaviour, desires, arrogance, stubbornness, fear, doubt - He makes it a smooth transition, baby step by baby step, ever so subtle and gentle.

            2132
            And this was the legacy - total submission to Allah - that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the straight path for you; then die not except as men who are belonging only to Him - His slave".

            What a great way to live and exit this world and it is possible only with His help. If I believe in Him, He will not allow me to die unfulfilled in any aspect.

            in His Obeisance,
            gita

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              2124
              Abraham was tried by his Lord with certain commands, which he fulfilled.
              2131
              When his Lord said to him, "Submit", he said I submit myself to the Lord of the worlds.

              What a lovely way to live. Only when I lose my knowledge - accumulated through seeing, hearing, through education, etc. totally, will i be able to surrender, submit to God's commands all my life. God loves me if I am obedient to Him.

              I realize that I have to unlearn, uncondition, empty - my learned knowledge, and have a ever ready, open mind to learn and keep learning, receiving fresh, new wisdom/clarity, leading to constant elevation - steps, levels, positions.

              First step of reflection/pondering ask a question or question why it is happening - internally in my mind and not aloud.
              Second step wait for an answer from the Divine.
              Third step When I get a response, sometimes instantly sometimes later, accept, internalise it, wish it, handover to God, ask His help to make that good wish as my life, make me live in that good.
              Clarity is born, then I'm made to live it or I live it and then clarity is born.
              Once this is fulfulled, it becomes a proof, sign, evidence and i'm elevated to the next.

              Everything is made smooth and easy, effortless. Nothing for me to do, only wish for it and be on guard/alert to stay away from wrong doing.

              When I think - I have to live, I have to do, it becomes a burden/stress/heavy for me.
              When I allow Him to do His work without putting myself as an hindrance in His path - by way of my knowledge, pride, jealousy, unjust behaviour, desires, arrogance, stubbornness, fear, doubt - He makes it a smooth transition, baby step by baby step, ever so subtle and gentle.

              2132
              so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the straight path for you; then die not except as men who are belonging only to Him".

              What a great way to live and exit this world and it is possible only with His help. If I believe in Him, He will not allow me to die unfulfilled in any aspect.

              in His Obeisance,
              gita

              Scintillating

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                DrGm
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                What a lovely way to live.

                peace,

                in the path of peace.

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                  DrGm
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                  peace,

                  evil attracts evil; good attracts good.

                  if one's heart has evil in it, it observes (see, hear, speak) only evil. if i find a fault in you, it means i have it in me. i will not accuse others only when i am clean of that accuse in me. in other words, if i say, "you liar" it means, i also lie. as there is 'lie' within me, i can identify similar 'lies'.

                  1041 - Woe to every accuser and mocker

                  to clean myself, i should repent to my Lord, the Purifier to make me clean from the fault i find in others. so that every fault i find in you i ask forgiveness and repent to the Purifier to purify me. this act comes to end only when this earthly life ends. my Lord is the Purifier, the Acceptor of repentance and the Forgiver.

                  the day i do not find any fault in others....a 'man' is born again.

                  peace.

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                    peace,

                    evil attracts evil; good attracts good.

                    if one's heart has evil in it, it observes (see, hear, speak) only evil. if i find a fault in you, it means i have it in me. i will not accuse others only when i am clean of that accuse in me. in other words, if i say, "you liar" it means, i also lie. as there is 'lie' within me, i can identify similar 'lies'.

                    1041 - Woe to every accuser and mocker

                    to clean myself, i should repent to my Lord, the Purifier to make me clean from the fault i find in others. so that every fault i find in you i ask forgiveness and repent to the Purifier to purify me. this act comes to end only when this earthly life ends. my Lord is the Purifier, the Acceptor of repentance and the Forgiver.

                    the day i do not find any fault in others....a 'man' is born again.

                    peace.

                    This is excellent!
                    Thank you so much!

                    PEACE

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                      peace,

                      evil attracts evil; good attracts good.

                      if one's heart has evil in it, it observes (see, hear, speak) only evil. if i find a fault in you, it means i have it in me. i will not accuse others only when i am clean of that accuse in me. in other words, if i say, "you liar" it means, i also lie. as there is 'lie' within me, i can identify similar 'lies'.

                      1041 - Woe to every accuser and mocker

                      to clean myself, i should repent to my Lord, the Purifier to make me clean from the fault i find in others. so that every fault i find in you i ask forgiveness and repent to the Purifier to purify me. this act comes to end only when this earthly life ends. my Lord is the Purifier, the Acceptor of repentance and the Forgiver.

                      the day i do not find any fault in others....a 'man' is born again.

                      peace.

                      Peace DrGm

                      Very True Just like a Just Born, Only we can Aspire by HIS Admission and there is no need to Perspire as in Vogue.

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                        Bender
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                        peace,

                        evil attracts evil; good attracts good.

                        if one's heart has evil in it, it observes (see, hear, speak) only evil. if i find a fault in you, it means i have it in me. i will not accuse others only when i am clean of that accuse in me. in other words, if i say, "you liar" it means, i also lie. as there is 'lie' within me, i can identify similar 'lies'.
                        1041 - Woe to every accuser and mocker

                        to clean myself, i should repent to my Lord, the Purifier to make me clean from the fault i find in others. so that every fault i find in you i ask forgiveness and repent to the Purifier to purify me. this act comes to end only when this earthly life ends. my Lord is the Purifier, the Acceptor of repentance and the Forgiver.

                        the day i do not find any fault in others....a 'man' is born again.

                        peace.

                        Salaam,

                        Most of times I agree with your posts and the postst of the other dr's here but this is one of the exceptions, or I do not understand what you are saying.

                        RED When I see someone steel/rape/kill/commit adultery etc etc etc I can reconize it as a bad/evil thing but as far as I know it does not mean I have the same evil in me.

                        I believe when one can not reconize evil from good then he/she has a real problem.
                        But maybe I am misunderstanding what you are trying to say.

                        Salaam,
                        Bender

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                          DrGm
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                          if one's heart has evil in it, it observes (see, hear, speak) only evil. if i find a fault in you, it means i have it in me. i will not accuse others only when i am clean of that accuse in me. in other words, if i say, "you liar" it means, i also lie. as there is 'lie' within me, i can identify similar 'lies'.

                          Salaam,

                          Most of times I agree with your posts and the postst of the other dr's here but this is one of the exceptions, or I do not understand what you are saying.

                          RED When I see someone steel/rape/kill/commit adultery etc etc etc I can reconize it as a bad/evil thing but as far as I know it does not mean I have the same evil in me.

                          I believe when one can not reconize evil from good then he/she has a real problem.
                          But maybe I am misunderstanding what you are trying to say.

                          Salaam,
                          Bender

                          peace Bender,

                          yes, you are right, when one can not recognize good from evil, he is away from God. only by God's mercy we are able to identify good from bad. this is one of the properties of Quran. what we need is ever increasing in our discerning ability, this becomes our prayer.

                          we have become so proud because of our knowledge or wealth, that we find faults in others and we want/force them to admit it. we'll not accept their reasons. if someone find fault in our's we argue that there is a reason. so, mine is not fault but yours is. this is our next need, get rid from this attitude, so we pray God.

                          i should not do anything bad, but it is not easier for me being like that or i can't. so i ask God to make me live without doing bad. for this i should know what is bad. identifying bad in me is a great blessing from our Creator. after identifying i put the responsibility in my Lord to change my behavior because i can't. He is Acceptor of responsibility, the Reformer.

                          even before this i should accept to my heart i am 'really' bad. accepting my fault is a quality that will earn me God's nearness. so next, i ask/pray God to teach me to accept my fault. when God's mercy is near me, i will be able to identify good and bad. if someone is finding fault in me, he is in fact helping me to identify my faults. we are great in finding fault in others. others findings in me is also a way of God's teaching and also making us humble to accept it.

                          now, when He places me in a life, starting without faults and ending without any faults as results of my prayers by giving my responsibilities only to Him. slowly, in this process tuned to my pace, he make my life away from speaking, seeing, hearing steal/rape/kill/commit adultery etc etc etc.

                          we should accept we are at present not making these faults because He has put us away from these situations for some of our unknown goodness. else, we would be making the same. we should be grateful to Him for this.

                          so, first i should not do any bad as mentioned by you. i seek God's support for this. then i should not see anything around me, i seek God's Mercy. if there is nothing of this kind around me then i will not find it in others too or in other words, i will be surrounded by people who are seekers of God only. even when evil minded nears me, He will make them good as long as they are near me, so that i will not see, hear, speak evil. it is a process easier only for God. i should believe in this, wish His will, for sure happening only by Him.

                          i admit, to identify bad, remove it from good, living righteous, all can happen only by the mercy of Almighty, the Justice. changes in me indicates changes in my surrounding.

                          for eg if i say you are jealous, proud. it means i should admit i too have jealous, proud in me. sometimes answering questions itself will give us hidden pride. regarding stealing, if i am generous to others around me, it will remove the stealing attitude from others. generous in me and removal of stealing attitude in others are the duty of God, the Peacemaker. watching self and asking God for improvement in good and removing bad is a continuous process in our life.

                          2411 - those who accuse, for sure, they are one among you. but, do not think 'that' is bad for you. that is good for you. unto each is what he earn from his sin. and who's share is more among them will get greater punishment.

                          i hope i have explained.

                          peace.

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                            DrGm
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                            RED When I see someone steel/rape/kill/commit adultery etc etc etc I can reconize it as a bad/evil thing but as far as I know it does not mean I have the same evil in me.

                            peace Bender,

                            further

                            i believe there is a clear answer to every question of our confusion in our life in Quran.

                            When we see someone steel/rape/kill/commit adultery/accidents etc, first, i seek protection from the Protector. "O, Protector, forgive me and protect me from these evils. it should not happen in my life and to any believers, also make me stay away from the vicinity of these evils for ever. You made me a watcher of these evils, i take this as a warning from You that i am surrounded by evil. i seek from You to make my place of livelihood/surrounding secured from evils. place me with the righteous. You are All-Know'er, Protector." if we fear God during such situation we are in straight path.

                            by the mere question/sight/hearsay, we should know that we are surrounded by evil. that should be enough for us to seek protection from our Creator. also, we should seek forgiveness for both - who 'steal' and who lose because of 'stealing' (all evil you mentioned).

                            when we observe that those evils are reducing; we hear / see/ speak no evil in our vicinity. we thank God for keeping our place secured from evil. we also know we are surrounded by good people. we should also refrain from discussing evils, no gossiping of evils. all media/newspaper are mostly discussing these evils.

                            1435 - ..."My Lord! make my place safe and secured...
                            2393 - say, "O, my Lord, if You should show me what is warned for them-
                            2394 - "my Lord, then keep me not with the evil folks"..
                            2683 - ....and join me with the righteous!

                            peace.

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                              drfazl
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                              DrGm

                              Quite a convincing and clear answer. May Allah Guide You.

                              I would like to add a feather to your answer

                              1. He would indeed have guided all mankind aright? But as for those who are bent on denying the truth-in result of their evil deeds, calamities will always befall them or will alight close to their homes; and this will continue until God's promise comes to pass verily, God never fails to fulfil His promise!

                              Peace

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                                1435 - ..."My Lord! make my place safe and secured...
                                2393 - say, "O, my Lord, if You should show me what is warned for them-
                                2394 - "my Lord, then keep me not with the evil folks"..
                                2683 - ....and join me with the righteous!

                                peace.

                                Amin

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                                  Bender
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                                  peace Bender,

                                  i should not do anything bad, but it is not easier for me being like that or i can't. so i ask God to make me live without doing bad. for this i should know what is bad. identifying bad in me is a great blessing from our Creator. after identifying i put the responsibility in my Lord to change my behavior because i can't. He is Acceptor of responsibility, the Reformer.

                                  Salaam dr.,

                                  RED I do not think it is the responsibility of Allah but our own responsibility. Allah already inspired us what is good and what is bad. Succesful are the ones who keep purifying themselves and loosers are the ones who do not clean themselves.
                                  Ofcourse Allah is our helper to accomplish this, but it us who are responsible for our own cleaning.
                                  This is how I understand it.

                                  even before this i should accept to my heart i am 'really' bad. accepting my fault is a quality that will earn me God's nearness. so next, i ask/pray God to teach me to accept my fault. when God's mercy is near me, i will be able to identify good and bad. if someone is finding fault in me, he is in fact helping me to identify my faults. we are great in finding fault in others. others findings in me is also a way of God's teaching and also making us humble to accept it.

                                  BLUE that is a little bit too harsh for yourself. In nature we are good ONLY when we let saytaan whisper in our hearts and let him mislead us with what he whispers then we become bad and thus think/do bad things.

                                  so, first i should not do any bad as mentioned by you. i seek God's support for this. then i should not see anything around me, i seek God's Mercy. if there is nothing of this kind around me then i will not find it in others too or in other words, i will be surrounded by people who are seekers of God only. even when evil minded nears me, He will make them good as long as they are near me, so that i will not see, hear, speak evil. it is a process easier only for God. i should believe in this, wish His will, for sure happening only by Him.

                                  I find this part hard to understand. What about Musa and Firaun or Musa and his people? or most of the rasuls/nabi's mentioned in The Quran?
                                  But I agree that doing good will most of times influence others also in a good way but unfortunatly not all, some will even misuse your goodness and take "advantage" of it.

                                  i admit, to identify bad, remove it from good, living righteous, all can happen only by the mercy of Almighty, the Justice. changes in me indicates changes in my surrounding.

                                  GREEN I think good changes in me are indications of me listening more/better to Allah.

                                  for eg if i say you are jealous, proud. it means i should admit i too have jealous, proud in me. sometimes answering questions itself will give us hidden pride. regarding stealing, if i am generous to others around me, it will remove the stealing attitude from others. generous in me and removal of stealing attitude in others are the duty of God, the Peacemaker.

                                  BLUE I think it means that I can identify it not necessary that I have it.

                                  GREEN That is I think the best case scenario.

                                  watching self and asking God for improvement in good and removing bad is a continuous process in our life.

                                  totally agreed handshake

                                  peace.

                                  Salaam and thx for you explanations on how you see it.
                                  Bender

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                                    DrGm
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                                    peace,

                                    I do not think it is the responsibility of Allah but our own responsibility. Allah already inspired us what is good and what is bad. Succesful are the ones who keep purifying themselves and loosers are the ones who do not clean themselves.
                                    Ofcourse Allah is our helper to accomplish this, but it us who are responsible for our own cleaning.
                                    This is how I understand it.

                                    yes, Allah is our Helper to accomplish. once, i put the responsibility in Allah i 'follow' my prayer to see how it is accomplished / answered. this is one of the way i was taught by my mentor. i pray my Lord, to teach me 'follow'.

                                    that is a little bit too harsh for yourself. In nature we are good ONLY when we let saytaan whisper in our hearts and let him mislead us with what he whispers then we become bad and thus think/do bad things.

                                    i think it is not harsh. how do we know we have let saytaan in our hearts. if we know we have let saytaan then that itself is a blessing. i.e. i know it beforehand. so, i put my case with Allah, i am bad. help me overcome it. alarm me when i let saytaan in my heart. the Foretell-er, the Announcer.

                                    I find this part hard to understand. What about Musa and Firaun or Musa and his people? or most of the rasuls/nabi's mentioned in The Quran?
                                    But I agree that doing good will most of times influence others also in a good way but unfortunatly not all, some will even misuse your goodness and take "advantage" of it.

                                    as i wish to be a believer in Allah alone - i ask Allah to secure me and my place from all evils. it is He who distinguish the good and bad, separate good and bad and show me the path of peace. i was only told to see the signs from my Lord. if i see any hardship in my path, i seek forgiveness. if my path is made easy then again i seek forgiveness, remembering His mercy.

                                    i understand from my point, Musa taught his people how to seek Allah alone, so that they come out of their slavery / shirk. they too asked him too many questions, only those who followed Allah's sign and Musa are saved from Hell.

                                    if someone misuse our goodness, they can misuse only our materials/wealth. they cannot wrong our souls, because it is protected by Allah. even the wealth will be protected if it is earned in the path of Allah.

                                    I think good changes in me are indications of me listening more/better to Allah.

                                    )

                                    I think it means that I can identify it not necessary that I have it.

                                    yes, you are right. but, it is another level with Allah. "with Allah there are many levels" my wish for another level.

                                    Salaam and thx for you explanations on how you see it.
                                    Bender

                                    thanks Bender you are so kind in your exchange, i'm not seeing such kindness in many posts in this forum. though many here are following Allah alone, Quran alone. i really do not understand why there is no patience/kindness. as we, towards our path - nearing Allah, our patience to be increased.

                                    peace.

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                                      Peace All,

                                      Modesty dictionary meaning If someone especially a woman shows modesty, they are cautious about the way they dress and behave because they are aware that other people may view them in a sexual way.

                                      I can dress anyhow, no force on me, but... let me remember that God is watching me and my thoughts inside my mind.

                                      My bad thoughts bad dressing bad behavior kindles wrong actions in others.
                                      There is no such thing as ?virtuous men/women?

                                      Inner fear only will increase my understanding.
                                      Gratitude to him will teach me more wisdom.

                                      If we are god fearing, seeking help and protection from bad thoughts/behavior/action constantly, wishing to live a life most suitable to Him, then our behavior and actions will be good and virtuous.

                                      Good and evil exists in every human being. This war between right and wrong is constantly waged within our mind. If we choose good thoughts, as a result, we are guided towards good behavior, good people.

                                      If I do not understand something being said, or its not in the same wavelength, should I vomit words, scream my defiance, argue, show hatred in language ??

                                      I don't understand because I don't see it that way, or I don't want to understand because I don't want to follow it. which is it? Need to ponder.

                                      Women?s liberation/freedom is just theory/words. No man no family can safeguard us if we walk around with pride and arrogance. Definitely God's wrath and destruction will befall us.

                                      If we cannot walk safely at midnight in any part of the world, freedom/liberation does not mean anything to me, nothing but mere words.
                                      Brothers/husband usually are being protective by way of caring. its not dominating or being possessive. This understanding will remove my stubborness.

                                      Everything will depend on the way I see it. Whats my perception in each situation, each event, each word, invisible feel behind each abstract word... Am I allowing myself to be guided towards good - in thoughts, words, behavior, deeds/action.

                                      2269
                                      He gives wisdom to whom He wills, and whoever has been given wisdom has certainly been given much good. And none will remember except those of understanding.

                                      Liberation from others' evil, freedom from my wrong doing, is what I really need.

                                      Humbly wishing, patiently seeking more wisdom from Him,
                                      gita

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                                        peace,

                                        thnx wiselite for your input regarding modesty / freedom.

                                        peace

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                                          peace,

                                          for a believer the main quality i understand from quran, is being polite when quran is recited / quoted / discussed.

                                          only in patience it will be clear whether the quoted/recited is in line with quran / soul. in line with quran means an universal guidance for believers in all walks of life, anywhere in this world. only then it is a guidance from Allah for the believers. Allah's guidance is only for the believers in mankind who heed.

                                          if quran is quoted in a different sense from our view, i pray for patience from my Lord to give me clarity on this. only then, i'll go for discussion. in the discussion if the sense is not following peace, i reject it in my prayer to my Lord. if it is in line with peace, i pray my Lord to make this my way of life. He is the Guide, the Source of Wisdom.

                                          7204 - when quran is explained, pay attention with politeness; keep calmness - you will be poured mercy.

                                          peace

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