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    huruf
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    There is, I think, an error on readint aya 24.31. People usualy talk about what must be covered and what does not have to be covered and run into problems, because in fact that aya dowes not talk about covering, except when it mentions trowing a cover on the breasts. It speaks about making an exhibition, "la yubdina". It does not say that something should not be seen but rather that no exhibition, no showing off should be made of anything, just what is apparent. It is very clear No need to hide hips or legs or anything, simply do not make a shopwindow of yourself. We all know the difference and we know it very well if we simply muve and dress purposefully for ordinary life, or whether we want to call attention. I just find hard to believe that of such a plain a common sense command so many difficulties and complications have been extracted. And can only explain it by the fixed idea that for women dressing and behaving ordinarily is nto good, things must be far more complicated in order to be right. Why? Aya 24.31 is not to tell what to keep covered and what not, it does not care.

    Salaam

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      unknownuser
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      Salaam

      About female beauty, maybe this thread help you

      http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605748.0

      Peace

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        muslims
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        There are posts which I should ignore, if I pay attention to them, then I would be confused. The way I think is quite simple. peace

        Salam

        It is "simple" to simply deny that other religions are also "practising justices"?

        It is "simple" to simply deny that what we are practising is similar to Sunni, Shia, Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity, Judaism and all other religious practices?

        What about that is justly balanced in the Hadith/Sunna/Shia/Christian/Buddha etc ?

        Should we oppose or against these elements?

        In certain aspects, we are also no difference to them.

        no "religion" has a monopoly on truth and believe it or not, we are all those things, at one time or another.

        It is hasty generalization.. religion and sectarianism.

        Peace peace

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          JavaLatte
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          Peace, brother muslims.

          Ok. I'm not going to take your bait. You are free to think whatever about me.

          I hope you understand that I'm not a native English speaker.

          It could be, without aware of, I use words or sentences which seemed strange for those who fluent in English.

          In Indonesian, this is what I mean,

          Cara berpikir saya cukup sederhana.

          Pada dasarnya, saya tidak terlalu suka berpikir rumit.

          Kalau tidak salah, anda adalah orang Malaysia, jadi mudah-mudahan anda bisa mengerti.

          Salaam.

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            muslims
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            In Indonesian, this is what I mean,

            Cara berpikir saya cukup sederhana.

            Salam

            Understood.. and me too ...

            simple thinking..

            "JUST" or "UNJUST"..

            whatever religions or religious practices they are.

            I'm from Malaysia and practicing all faiths that are glorifying just and balance, whether it is from the hadith, other sects or any other religions. Islam rejects the idea of religion and the only way to reject all religions is to accept all religions. Peace!!

            proof...

            originally, hindu temple or mosque?

            Sunan Kudus Mosque, Indonesia

            http//wikitravel.org/upload/shared//thumb/e/e1/Menara_Kudus.jpeg/250px-Menara_Kudus.jpeg

            Rantau Panjang Mosque, Malaysia

            http//mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/30265166.jpg

            Peace. peace

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              I'm from Malaysia and practicing all faiths that are glorifying just and balance, whether it is from the hadith, other sects or any other religions. Islam rejects the idea of religion and the only way to reject all religions is to accept all religions. Peace!! )

              Bold Oh. Wow. ??? Ok. Silakan saja.

              Peace.

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                Bold Oh. Wow. ??? Ok. Silakan saja.

                Salam

                Of course, when people mention about a certain religion, I will answer to my self.. "that is my religion". All these faiths are my religion. I am an Atheist, Sunnist, Shi'ite, Hadither, Quranist/Submitter/Code 19, Hinduist, Buddhist, Taoist, Judist, Christian, Sikhist, Spiritualist, Humanist, Satanist, Luciferianist and practising all other faiths, not prostrating to Allah Alone or ByGod, but both to Allah and Adam.

                I practices ALL KNOWN RELIGIONS, AND BEYOND RELIGIONS!

                Thank you. sun

                The Qur'an confirms other books, including hadith and other religious or man made books etc.

                Look for similarities
                to unite the society
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                They are free to
                practice their deen (way of life)
                (unconditional freedom)
                http//api.ning.com/files/uGCxg7sZSOsBbNwvSUN0m6uFBP5OUvR7e-3lYPcnfzzdki1NKdfBKi
                MBEzKhhqFLbCaNgzbOCTwHTwBFp0cz3nyqUP-l7F1/arrowDownSmall.png
                (Fire/Air/Water/Earth) -> Confirmed by the Qur'an as..
                http//api.ning.com/files/uGCxg7sZSOsBbNwvSUN0m6uFBP5OUvR7e-3lYPcnfzzdki1NKdfBKi*MBEzKhhqFLbCaNgzbOCTwHTwBFp0cz3nyqUP-l7F1/arrowDownSmall.png
                +--> Torah ----------+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                |
                +--> Injeel ---------+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                |
                +--> Hadith --------+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                |
                +--> Sunni ----------+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                Texts
                +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                |
                +--> Shia ------------+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                Texts
                +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                |
                +--> Khawarij ------+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                Texts
                +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                |
                +--> Buddhism -----+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                Texts
                +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                |
                +--> Confucianism +-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                Texts
                +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                |
                +--> Hinduism ------+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                Texts
                +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                |
                +--> Zoroastrianism +-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                Texts
                +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                |
                Qur'an +--> Scientology +-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity
                Confirming --->| Texts |
                Book | +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity
                (Justly |
                Balanced) |
                +--> Atheism -------+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                Text/Laws
                +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                |
                +--> Man made ----+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                Laws
                +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                |
                +--> Company -----+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                Laws
                +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                |
                +--> Satanism -----+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                Texts
                +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                |
                +--> Mathematics -+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                Theory/Books
                +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                |
                +--> Sciences ------+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                Theory/Books
                +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                |
                +--> Geography ---+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                Theory/Books
                +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                |
                +--> Economy ------+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                Theory/Books
                +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                |
                +--> Accounting ---+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                Theory/Books
                +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                |
                +--> Computer -----+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                Theory/Books
                +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                |
                +--> Political --------+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                Theory/Books
                +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                |
                +--> and so on -----+-> A, B, C is justly balanced -> justly balanced to humanity

                Theory/Books
                +-> D, E, F is unjust -> unjust to humanity

                |
                |
                |
                |
                and so on

                comparison...

                Sectarianism is
                bigotry
                discrimination
                or hatred

                arising from
                attaching importance to perceived differences between subdivisions within a group
                such as between different denominations of (making judgement based on group/sect/religion
                a religion and not just or unjust; justly balanced)
                class
                regional
                or factions of a political movement

                and

                Religion/ Sectarianism (Hasty Generalization) vs. Justly Balanced

                For you is your deen
                (War Zone - <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335480#msg335480">God Alone</a> - Right vs. Wrong) - SECTARIANISM
                and
                For me is my deen
                (Unity - <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335753#msg335753">Prostrate to Adam</a> - All from Allah and "I Submit&quot - JUSTLY BALANCED
                (<a href="http//quran.com/109/6">1096</a&gt

                http//s23.postimg.org/ifq2vi2rv/warzone.png

                Justly balanced depends on situation..

                It is neither good, nor evil.. it is balanced between good and evil

                With the sole purpose to achieve "Justice" .. justice both to the good and evil, acceptance by both parties!

                Therefore, those who bring justice and minimizing the corruptions on earth, are the successors

                and.. the good or evil is for followers, blind followers...

                To bring justice, it requires thinking and wisdom, 100% free from Shirk

                Therefore... it requires 100% reliance to Allah, the main source, and not reliance on self or some mathematical coding.

                He grants wisdom to whom He pleases
                and whoever is granted wisdom
                he indeed is given a great good
                and none but men of understanding mind
                (2269)

                A muslim is an upright man... and with no religion!

                Ibrahim was not a Jew <- Ibrahim has no religion. So as Muhammad, not a Jew/Christian (religion).
                nor a Christian http//api.ning.com/files/uGCxg7sZSOsBbNwvSUN0m6uFBP5OUvR7e-3lYPcnfzzdki1NKdfBKi*MBEzKhhqFLbCaNgzbOCTwHTwBFp0cz3nyqUP-l7F1/arrowDownSmall.png
                but he was (an) upright (man) <- showing a great concern for what is right, fair and truthful way
                a Muslim <- defined by the above ayat - an upright man - obedience and justly balanced.
                and he was not one of the polytheists <- Concern with right/wrong in religious matters - 3030-32

                Most surely the nearest of people to Ibrahim
                are those
                who followed him
                and this Prophet
                and those who believe
                and Allah is the guardian of the believers <- an upright man, with no religion
                (367-68)

                And whoever seeks a "dnan" (&#1575 other than Islam <- Religion of Islam vs. Deen of Islam
                it will NEVER be accepted of him
                and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers
                (385)

                Islam is not a religion (madhab), and it has never been described as one in the Quran

                Peace

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                  mamnoeoea_qatief_alazhaar
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                  As salaamu aleykum sister

                  I didn't want to be unpolite but I want to show that the way you tell something to someone have a greater impact than the things you are telling..that's why I like you to understand that you don't have to be angry on people because with nice words and patience you will certainly achieve your goals.

                  I want to tell something about the story (sister diamondhoneybunch put a quote)

                  This story means just that there are everywhere bad people with bad influences even when they pray or wear niqab,they are misguided.;the niqab don't work when the hart is not pure.

                  But it also doesn't mean that with a good intention and a good heart we are pleasing God..it needs more than a good hart because there are also rules that we have to follow..

                  Look meat eaters are telling in Belgium don't have to cut sheep by throatcutting because it is painfull..even vegetarians don't want to eat meat at all because they don't want that animals feel pain and are just living to eat..but they forget that is not possible in the creation of Allah to be a vegetarian because it have to be (truth)because I never see all the life that lions and sheep are eating a vegetarian salat with each other..God created the lions as predators..to kill an animal for is meat is the creation of God..

                  And that is the same what I want to explain..some things we don't like even when they are good for us..even when it make no sense..when the message didn't came ever on earth then every lovely person with good intentionswas still eating porc meat.
                  And just tell me how we feel with hart that we can't eat porc..no we can't..that's why only good intentions for clothing is not enough..we have to respect also the rules who are written in the Quran..alhamdullilah

                  Rules and hart (good intentions) = the only way to follow..the one can't stand without the other..
                  That's why I don't believe only in a nice heart because everyone want to do nice fro others in some kind of way..

                  BUT

                  I didn't came on this website to convince someone of my truth/opinion or to put my thoughts on others..I wanted just to find out about my hypothesis (for people who belief that there is a clothingrule)that it could be that the covering was a cloack and I find many intresting answers..
                  One answer that the jilbab could be a "person" I find a strong interpretation but on the other way I don't get why only woman are addressed with this clothe or this person?
                  When it was for not to offend a minoraty on this time why only woman was ment?
                  It would ment that woman can't go outside alone without a person on this time..it looks like an imrisonnement for woman more than they can go out byself with their burqa where they like to go..
                  So untill now I have a lot of work to do to find answers..insh'Allah by the help of God and his creations,will find the truth

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                    diamantinehoneybunch
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                    As salaamu aleykum sister

                    I didn't want to be unpolite but I want to show that the way you tell something to someone have a greater impact than the things you are telling..that's why I like you to understand that you don't have to be angry on people because with nice words and patience you will certainly achieve your goals.

                    I want to tell something about the story (sister diamondhoneybunch put a quote)

                    This story means just that there are everywhere bad people with bad influences even when they pray or wear niqab,they are misguided.;the niqab don't work when the hart is not pure.

                    But it also doesn't mean that with a good intention and a good heart we are pleasing God..it needs more than a good hart because there are also rules that we have to follow..

                    Look meat eaters are telling in Belgium don't have to cut sheep by throatcutting because it is painfull..even vegetarians don't want to eat meat at all because they don't want that animals feel pain and are just living to eat..but they forget that is not possible in the creation of Allah to be a vegetarian because it have to be (truth)because I never see all the life that lions and sheep are eating a vegetarian salat with each other..God created the lions as predators..to kill an animal for is meat is the creation of God..

                    And that is the same what I want to explain..some things we don't like even when they are good for us..even when it make no sense..when the message didn't came ever on earth then every lovely person with good intentionswas still eating porc meat.
                    And just tell me how we feel with hart that we can't eat porc..no we can't..that's why only good intentions for clothing is not enough..we have to respect also the rules who are written in the Quran..alhamdullilah

                    Rules and hart (good intentions) = the only way to follow..the one can't stand without the other..
                    That's why I don't believe only in a nice heart because everyone want to do nice fro others in some kind of way..

                    BUT

                    I didn't came on this website to convince someone of my truth/opinion or to put my thoughts on others..I wanted just to find out about my hypothesis (for people who belief that there is a clothingrule)that it could be that the covering was a cloack and I find many intresting answers..
                    One answer that the jilbab could be a "person" I find a strong interpretation but on the other way I don't get why only woman are addressed with this clothe or this person?
                    When it was for not to offend a minoraty on this time why only woman was ment?
                    It would ment that woman can't go outside alone without a person on this time..it looks like an imrisonnement for woman more than they can go out byself with their burqa where they like to go..
                    So untill now I have a lot of work to do to find answers..insh'Allah by the help of God and his creations,will find the truth

                    I posted the story not because I wanted to show that all Sunnis are badasses but I wanted to show you how this type of brainswashing works.

                    Since kids, those Sunnis were taught by their teachers that women are awrat (means nudity, nakedness, indecency, shame) so women must wrap themselves in black tents to honor their shamefulness since they themselves are nudity.
                    They were also taught that women must just sit at home, less rights whereas men have so many rights. They are brainwashed by making them believe that women are the caused of fitna (slander) so women must be confined at home or wrap themselves with tents when they go out.

                    The best place to brainswash is school and the right time is during childhood. I go to school and I know how students here are brainwashed during "Islamic" educations.

                    I was not as angry as when you said that I am "free woman with guts". I just felt insulted by your posts saying that I am a "free woman with guts" just because I am against gender apartheid.

                    If you want people to respect you, the first thing is respect yourself. I know most of your posts sound polite but you disrespected female gender by saying that women's hands are also nakedness / nudity. You insulted both genders by saying "women are beautiful. Men can't resist women's beauty". You insulted men by saying that men can't resist women and you insulted women by saying that the whole woman's body can arouse men.

                    Purdah or burka have nothing to do with modesty. I can take toilet papers and wrap myself with all of them. I have seen many buqais behave rudely.

                    You said women must be "soft" by covering themselves. Ugh! You mean women must be PASSIVE in order to be polite? Both men and women have to be polite but do not be mistaken or confused politeness with passivity.

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                      I posted the story not because I wanted to show that all Sunnis are badasses but I wanted to show you how this type of brainswashing works.

                      Since kids, those Sunnis were taught by their teachers that women are awrat (means nudity, nakedness, indecency, shame) so women must wrap themselves in black tents to honor their shamefulness since they themselves are nudity.
                      They were also taught that women must just sit at home, less rights whereas men have so many rights. They are brainwashed by making them believe that women are the caused of fitna (slander) so women must be confined at home or wrap themselves with tents when they go out.

                      The best place to brainswash is school and the right time is during childhood. I go to school and I know how students here are brainwashed during "Islamic" educations.

                      I was not as angry as when you said that I am "free woman with guts". I just felt insulted by your posts saying that I am a "free woman with guts" just because I am against gender apartheid.

                      If you want people to respect you, the first thing is respect yourself. I know most of your posts sound polite but you disrespected female gender by saying that women's hands are also nakedness / nudity. You insulted both genders by saying "women are beautiful. Men can't resist women's beauty". You insulted men by saying that men can't resist women and you insulted women by saying that the whole woman's body can arouse men.

                      Purdah or burka have nothing to do with modesty. I can take toilet papers and wrap myself with all of them. I have seen many buqais behave rudely.

                      You said women must be "soft" by covering themselves. Ugh! You mean women must be PASSIVE in order to be polite? Both men and women have to be polite but do not be mistaken or confused politeness with passivity.

                      I agree with diamantine... in that with a lot of "softness" you can badmouth the holiest, let alone anybody which you consider that you can trample on with impunity.

                      I find that the posts of mamnoe... contain a lot of assertions or chlish?es that may be true for her, but although she does not seem to say that that is the way every woman should be, she in some way gives to understand that all women, if they were not conditioned-perverted-forced by the permissive environment would be the natural way for a woman, that is, shy. Why should a woman be shy by the mere fact of being a woman I can only understand if she is used to be ovvertrampled by men for that reason. She guards herself because there is a danger. If there is no danger, where is the virtue of shyness?

                      Those kinds of assertions give an image which may be true, but actually it is very damning of the male part of the purported muslims societies, something not surprising at all on the other hand. And how does a faceveil cure shyness I really can't see. What I can see it does is impunity. Nobody knows you, you can do whatever you want, or hide whatever you want of your expressions and actions and therefore you feel safe. But then, if what you do is innocent, why should you be in danger because of being amongst a mixed crowd. Many in the crowd are also women who do not cover their faces. It is damned uncomfortable to be addressed by someone who can see you but you cannot see, I tell you. That way of protecting shyness for me is pure impoliteness. But the fashion of the veil or whatever is so implanted now that no even being impolite will keep the fashion followers from hiding behind a cloth. I do not mean to say that the ladies want to be unpolite, I don't think that they are in general, I think they are rather satisfied with themselves and with the attention they get, but again, I feel like hiding behind a cloth when i talk to one of them and take the cloth off when I am done. Of course I do not do that, but I still think it is impolite. And it is not less impolite if they address a man who himself does not hide. Sincerely, I respect anybody's will to dress in whichever way he or she fancies, but compliments for the fashion of hiding behind a veil when addressing people, I cannot give. I find it detrimental to communication and lacking in consideration to other women and also to men with whom they may talk. Of course I assume that men themselves are behaving politely, if they are not, then the solution is not for women to hide, but for those men to be curtailed in their social activity where they offend others.

                      And a woman who is not shy is not a little bit less of a woman than a woman who is shy. Shyness may be a trait of character, in male or female, but it is not a virtue and a woman who is shy is not even a little bit better than a woman who isn't shy. God does not promise a reward for shyness or for hiding oneself under clothes. That kind of talk seems to be extracted form some XIX century European novel, where it is ladylike to faint even, not from reality.

                      Salaam

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                        mamnoeoea_qatief_alazhaar
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                        ?Indeed from the teachings of the first prophets which has reached you is, ?If you do not have shyness, then do as you please.?

                        Indeed, the Qur?an states, ?For man was created weak.?

                        I do believe that woman are soft harted when they are not brainwashed because of the modern secular mind.

                        Many woman wants to clothe them in an attractice way because they are grown up by this world and habbits..when they are shy as a child they are told that they are prudish and they have to loose this crying and soft hartness and there shyness is seen as a weakness and treath..

                        That's why most of the woman want to show themselves as strong and powerfull..a sexy image to gain more respect..they show what they are not..soft harted creatures with both qualities..hard and rough to survive and to gain respect,soft-harted that can quiqly be trampled on..because of the pervers situtaion and unnatural behaviour from people,woman are the prisoners from their own struggle to hide their softeness..

                        When they see this truth and they can accept also their "softness and shyness,modesty" then they can be free of the slavery of fakeness

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                          diamantinehoneybunch
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                          You again are equating modesty with burqa, aren't you?

                          I didn't say being shameless. Being shy means being shy from doing bad things such as raping, murdering etc. Being shy does not mean being passive.

                          No one on here wants to see women wear sexy clothes. I am actually tired of brainwashed burqa lovers keep bragging about the sexy immodest women out there to make comparisons between non-burqais and burqais and justify the goodness of burqas.

                          See the verse you shared? Does it say women only that must be shy and to be shy is to hide in burqa and to be confined at home? No! The verse is to all humans not to females only.

                          Women in hedonistic culture are brainwashed that to be beautiful is to show and sell their bodies.

                          Women in barbaric and sexist culture are brainwashed to hide themselves in tents or confine themselves in houses by making them believe that women are nudity, nakedness, shameful so they must cover like ghosts to 'honor' themselves. They are also brainwashed by making them believe that women must be modest so to be modest is to hide themselves in tents.

                          Anyways can you tell me where are you from? Are you a convert or you were born Muslim? I don't think you are an Arab because you said you don't understand Arabic. Are you Afghan?

                          And only women are to be shy, soft-hearted blablabla whereas men have so much freedom? What kind of gender apartheid is this? A type of brainwashing done by Sunnis / Shias.

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                            unknownuser
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                            Salaam

                            ?Indeed from the teachings of the first prophets which has reached you is, ?If you do not have shyness, then do as you please.?

                            What the first prophets teach to us??

                            Peace

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                              Man_of_Faith
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                              Peace,

                              A woman in a modest dress in a professional situation is the one who will gain the most respect I think. And then I mean modest as in what is neutral in the setting and not something that screams for attention.

                              God bless you

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                                JavaLatte
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                                I am quite tired of this 'softness & shyness' thingy because you keep saying these words over and over again, mamnoeoea.

                                I'm kind of worry if you also share this 'lessons of softness' to females around you, such as your younger sisters (if you have).

                                I'm curious who have instilled this in you so deep, and why you keep letting them do that to you?

                                If you do not have shyness, then do as you please.

                                That is hadith... Apparently, you are quite fascinated by hadith.

                                Be wary of hadiths that sounds 'nice', 'sweet', or 'good'.

                                After my turning point, I left hadith and scholar's opinions, and to search for truth I choose to focus on God and the Qur'an, and I realize that 'looking good' hadiths can also have elements of deception.

                                I decide to left all hadiths, as I think none of them will useful for my salvation, Qur'an contains so much better lessons and reliable guide.

                                I learn that I should let myself be brainwashed by God. Only God alone Who I let to brainwash me, because I believe truth (the real truth, not the fake ones) comes from God, The Creator.

                                Have you ever learned/examined hadiths about hoors in Jannah? Don't you feel disgusted with what they describe?

                                Those hadiths use very inappropriate words describing Jannah as the place of legal prostitution. Is that in line with shyness? nope

                                It is hard to believe those shameful words truly came from the messenger of God. And how is it possible God allow such lewdness rampant in Jannah.

                                From the Qur'an, I find that Prophet conveyed God's message in respectable and educated manner.

                                I don't want to force you to leave the hadith, but I really suggest you to think and ponder.

                                Perhaps you should read sahih hadiths as much as you can, check them carefully, ponder, think carefully whether they really fit with the Qur'an.

                                When I still believe in them, the more I knew hadiths, the more I felt uncomfortable.

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                                  huruf
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                                  ?Indeed from the teachings of the first prophets which has reached you is, ?If you do not have shyness, then do as you please.?

                                  Indeed, the Qur?an states, ?For man was created weak.?

                                  I do believe that woman are soft harted when they are not brainwashed because of the modern secular mind.

                                  Many woman wants to clothe them in an attractice way because they are grown up by this world and habbits..when they are shy as a child they are told that they are prudish and they have to loose this crying and soft hartness and there shyness is seen as a weakness and treath..

                                  That's why most of the woman want to show themselves as strong and powerfull..a sexy image to gain more respect..they show what they are not..soft harted creatures with both qualities..hard and rough to survive and to gain respect,soft-harted that can quiqly be trampled on..because of the pervers situtaion and unnatural behaviour from people,woman are the prisoners from their own struggle to hide their softeness..

                                  When they see this truth and they can accept also their "softness and shyness,modesty" then they can be free of the slavery of fakeness

                                  Lady you are writing sa science fiction novel there. Nothing to do with real world. My mother, who is 92 would laug out her guts at this nonsense. Where do get that kind of fantasy?

                                  So if your are soft you are not brainwahsed, but if somebodyelse is not soft she is brainwashed? Great.

                                  At least, I must give that to you, you do not attribute such fantasies to the Qur'an. It is your ideas, understood.

                                  Salaam

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                                    huruf
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                                    Peace,

                                    and not something that screams for attention.

                                    God bless you

                                    Like a burqa?

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                                      Like a burqa?

                                      A good question, Sis.

                                      Salaam.

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                                        Man_of_Faith
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                                        Like a burqa?

                                        Peace,

                                        Well, burqa screams for attention but at least not in a immodest way although maybe in a western society people will stare and think what kind of UFO is this?

                                        God bless you

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                                          Indelwyn
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                                          Women in barbaric and sexist culture are brainwashed to hide themselves in tents or confine themselves in houses by making them believe that women are nudity, nakedness, shameful so they must cover like ghosts to 'honor' themselves. They are also brainwashed by making them believe that women must be modest so to be modest is to hide themselves in tents.

                                          Very true. It is this thinking that has actually hurts women in Islam. How you might ask, we have very few leaders in the female gender. At my masjid, there are very few women to help teach. They stay home and disregard the community that needs help. I, myself would love to learn to read and recite, but I can't find a female teacher.

                                          I currently teach at the masjid. I help our converts.. both men and women are in my class. I am also now a Chaplain with the local jail to assist the female muslims incarcerated, they have been forgotten. Why... shyness, ashamed to leave the house and or afraid to be a leader in general. We have a smart sister who has so much knowledge, but will not teach. She said her voice is also her arwah! How does this help our ummah? It does not, it neglects it.

                                          You can function in life and still be modest. Trust me. Do you think this life is not a test? Do you not feel an obligation to humanity or are you just some man's possession and a fitna to the world?

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