Allah = God = Alla = Dios = Deus = Dieu = Gud = Gott....
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Salaam
It's not easy to talk with someone like you.
If this is not an issue, then why u keep said funny to god-God term.Maybe pakcik need a refreshing Gwiyomi
Peace
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Peace, reminds me of old Albanian sayings
"burri ne shtepi, eshte si dreqi ne Xhami" -- man at home like devil in mosque.
"zoti i sht?pis?" -- lord/master of the house (zoti means god in Albanian)
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlgzTzwHies
Therefore, it makes no sense in any language to translate using a name e.g.
Adam/Mike of the house
Likewise incorrect and senseless to translate as Allah (i.e. personal name).
63 and he the god (zoti) in the heavens and in the earth...
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This thread has become a bit of a comedy,
LOL I concur...
More fundamentally, debating on "the name" thus the conception of "personal name" itself is a comedy..
It's as similar as thou must not translate Jamal to Camel or Moshe to Musa or Moses.Need to trace back on WHY the "big standing primate" invented "name" for things.
It started when the primate developed the ability to "talk".
Where, talk is communicating thoughts to other big standing primate through AUDIO SIGNAL.Thus risen the need for an 'agreement' of how "sounds" correlate to thought thus its meanings.
As the big primate spread as group all over the earth, the 'agreement' varies among group, thus the difference of 'language' or 'the guide on how the AUDIO SIGNAL correlate to meanings'.IF the big primate is able to communicate through 'mind transfer' (a.k.a telepathy) there will be no need of 'name' because the 'thoughts' are being 'transferred' directly without the conveyance of AUDIO signal.
As the big primate society developed, some of them feel that some 'audio signal' and "symbolic icon to audio signal' (name in written form) as their 'property'.
They invented things such as "Trademark" to forbid usage by other group of primate.So back to the "Malaysia case", they should register "ALLAH" as their their 'international trademark' thus their 'property', only then they have the legality of controlling on who have the rights to use "ALLAH".
While on this forum the 'debate' is whether "ALLAH" can be translated or not to other AUDIO signal (thus to other symbolic icon)
The answer is of course it CAN!
As the sole objective of communication is actually "thought transfer".Salam / Peace
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Greetings and Peace, all group
7180 And to GOD belong the most beautiful names, so call Him by them; and leave alone those who deviate His names. They will be punished for what they used to do.
208 GOD, there is no god except He, to Him are the beautiful names.
5924 He is GOD; the Creator, the Initiator, the Designer. To Him belong the most beautiful names. Glorifying Him is everything in the heavens and the earth. He is the Noble, the Wise.
It is not like there is one god for one faith and another god for another faith. There is only one GOD. What religion did Abraham (Peace upon all Prophets) practice? hmm
Did all Prophets speak the same language? !
144 And We have not sent any messenger except in the language of his people, so he may clarify for them. But GOD misguides whom He wills, and He guides whom He wills. And He is the Noble, the Wise.
ALLAH knows best.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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leave alone those who deviate His names
Let say I wish to pronounce the following sentence to someone... how to pronounce with differences?
god is God confused
(2098)and if the Quran was sent down in English with "oral" revelations..
If Qur'an was sent down in Portuguese, the word Deus would be used instead of .
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Comparison within the same language, Arabic and from the Quran itself.. to determine whether Allah is God or Allah.
And your God (is) God *
(2234)<- freemind translated as , ie. same as above
your God (is) Allah **
(2098)Therefore, the issue is
Whetherie equal to
whereas Allah say..
this Qur'an is a clear Arabic language
(16103)In a clear Arabic language
(26195)an Arabic Qur'an
without any deviance
(3928)and
Could it be considered as a deviance or "not in a clear Arabic language" if is equal to ?
further
If Allah is "al Ilah".. please prove by showing where does it mention "al Ilah" in the Quran.
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If is equal to
then what are God's names?
or
There are no names for God since God names are only meaningful words?
Note
- And for every nation We have appointed religious ceremonies, that they may mention the Name of Allah over the beast of cattle that He has given them for food. And your Ilah (God) is One Ilah (God Allah), so you must submit to Him Alone (in Islam). And (O Muhammad SAW) give glad tidings to the Mukhbitin ,
** Your god is only Allah , except for whom there is no deity. He has encompassed all things in knowledge."
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Salaam,
There is no other divinity than God. God is not stiff and sterile and would perhaps write as such if it was an English revelation.
God bless you
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Greetings and Peace, all group
Did all Prophets speak the same language? !
144 And We have not sent any messenger except in the language of his people, so he may clarify for them. But GOD misguides whom He wills, and He guides whom He wills. And He is the Noble, the Wise.
ALLAH knows best.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
Agreed
C'mon guys this is not that complicated
Peace All,
God is not letters, no matter how you construct them, putting any five, four, three or ten letters of any language,
in any sequence is not the creator, like I (hawk99) am not letters. Letters are symbols used to identify, communicate,
objects, concepts, ideas etc., therefore one way to look at it is that the supreme being is a concept of omnipotence
and other attributes attributed to God, Allah ,Alla, Dios, Deus, Dieu, Gud, Gott, or Creator!God bless
peace
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Salaam,
Different people in the Middle-East had different definite names for God too such as Yahweh for Jews/Christians and Ahura Mazda for Zoroastrians, and they spoke different languages. Would you say they served different gods when they were monotheists and practically in many cases had scriptures sharing contents?
What is then wrong in calling the divinity in English speaking countries for God?
However those in Jehova's Witnesses call God just Jehova after the Yahweh from the scripture.
The sectarian Christians renamed YAWH from Bible into 'the Lord' in the English translations probably originally to differentiate themselves from the Jews. "J.W"have done well investigating this.
And then we also know the grammatical facts about Al-Lah, so it is not rocket science that it literally means 'the god' equivalent to the God with capital letter in English due to the fact 'the' in English is not correct grammar for a proper noun. Grammatical limitations make it seem a bit weird with the phrase "there is no other god than God" as a capital letter is not giving a different pronunciation, but simply changing the phrase into "there is no other divinity than God" easily solves this grammatical barrier. Or Pazuzu's version "There is not other god than the god". )
God bless you