She's Not Naked !!!
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Peace,
There is no compulsion from Quran. Its Allah 's warning for women to protect themselves. Many women get trapped outside of home while in the evening when they loiter late night movie shows, parties, dances etc. The evil in the men is fully functional during the night time.
Whereas Allah wants to purify by 3333, whereas we like get out of House, then its our risk and shirk against 3333.
At least be prayerful while getting out of House and make direct commitment to GOD. "Oh Lord , I am going out of House. Forgive me. I am going against your command 3333. Please make my return safely. Save me from evils from men.". Now step out with GOD confidence that too if its necessary to go out. But Night time stay at home and obey Allah and his messenger. Stay peacefully like a Queen. But you should know your messenger within your community. If you don't know your messenger you are far away from Quran. Everyone should know their messenger. They keep coming but not stop coming.
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Many women get trapped outside of home while in the evening when they loiter late night movie shows, parties, dances etc. The evil in the men is fully functional during the night time.
Yep, evil goes to sleep during the day, or better yet...operates at less than peak capacity. Any women found in the night are women of the night who deserve what they get...why else would a woman go out after dusk I ask you, unless it was for nefarious purposes like movie shows, parties and dances? The men loitering at night who come upon these women are obviously helpless in the face of the fully functioning evil that has unfurled it's icy claws deep into their hearts. Brilliant, Jango...as drfazl would say, pearls of wisdom. -
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That is what we get when we loose sight of the more obvious
Those who opress are worse than murderers.(Qur'an says that opression is worse than murder).And deep in our hearts WE KNOW IT.
Deep in our heart we know that to opress those who cannot defend themselves is damnation for the opressor, and we know when we opress and when we are opressed. To try to obscure this basic line of events with the idiot blabber about "modesty" is simply a symptom of the desease of the drug addict for power. Power is as it is well known, is the hardest drug there is. And it has got a lot of peddlers. Why not sell it to the common male, who can always pick on his women to feel allmighty? That is a sure kill, a depress man, undervalued, with low self-esteem, you inject the idea of his almighteness over others (women) att he very least without no effort.
Realise that when you are forcefed the blabber about modesty, what you are fed in fact is a dose of your power urges addiction who turns you into an evil device. And this is what is served to the masses of Muslims malehood. And what is forcefed down the throats of women to thwart any effort at gaining self-respect.
Realise that you will never have power, you will become old and sick and will be at the mercy of anybody and you will die. Let go of power or selfinduced authority and become a servant.
Service is the highest spiritual degree, not power.
Power rests with God. The power you think you have is a lie Shaytan sells to you and which you buy. And when you make a gift package with the pretty ribbon of "modesty", you are obscuring your soul and mind. You are trying to manipulate others into submission. If you believe in modesty, be modest yourself and let people in peace. Everybody knows and distinguishes perfectly modesty from unmodesty and powerthirsty junkies from honest people.
If you are not power thirsty but have bought into the selfinterested play of others with words for their own gain, think of your own obligations to truth and submission to God and do not opress nor participate in opression of others. Do not play a part in the Shaytanic plot of power (playing with modesty) with Mankind.
Big chunks of the populations of muslim majority countries have been poisoned and trapped in this play of poor powerless but deluded males against their women by convincing them that power is within their reah by merely opressing their womankind. They may be powerless, but they can be allmighty over the women. It is tempting. That is the temptation they should worry about, because harassing women is not due the temptation of lust but to the temptation of power. Power junkies.
The ultimate insult is to disguise that reality into an edulcorated tale about PROTECTING WOMEN. For God's sake! If you do not have the guts to go out and put order into that and claim for the imprisonment of culprits where, according to you they have overstepped the limits, then do not turn on top of it the question into one of modesty. We are, again, in the realm of power and guts. But we want to have everything at the same time, our comfort and our power and that it is given to us for nothing, because we are so cute.
And in all this overpreaching and pounding on women over modesty, for God's sake, never, but never, but never, address males and call them to noble goals or put to them examples like there are in the Qur'an starting with prophet Yusuf. No. Squeez and milk any aya whateve litle trace of anything which may help to keep junkies junkies, that assures their daily dose. But getting them out of the addiction NO, NO, NO. Better the world goes under than give up my feeling of allmightiness. Unthinkable ?"Modesty" come to my rescue!
I realise, as I have said, that many men just buy this line guilelessly and without proper thought, but they should know, they should open their eyes to what they are helping to promote inadvertently.
The crime statistics, so overwhelming, are there as to who is against whom. Ponder. As the Qur'an enjoins so many many times, all the time ponder and do not get suck up in the Shaytanic obssessive sick blabber about the word "modesty", which in this game has been turned into a weapon of mass destruction.
Salaam
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And in all this overpreaching and pounding on women over modesty, for God's sake, never, but never, but never, address males and call them to noble goals or put to them examples like there are in the Qur'an starting with prophet Yusuf. No. Squeez and milk any aya whateve litle trace of anything which may help to keep junkies junkies, that assures their daily dose. But getting them out of the addiction NO, NO, NO. Better the world goes under than give up my feeling of allmightiness. Unthinkable ?"Modesty" come to my rescue!
True, good summation, the patterns are similar in other cases as well. We do know oppression is worse than murder, in order to be truthful to ourselves and those around us, which is what we would do in God's service, we have to see where our preconceived notions etc lie and what we are upholding...who it benefits and how and most importantly, whether it is good thing... for the God does not command evil in any form however sneakily it hides. One of the hardest things for people to do in my experience is try to reach a conclusion by themselves especially in what are considered to be 'religious' matters (God teaches no one else), they prefer to give up and rely on someone else who they see as being an 'authority', this 'authority' must now maintain his authority and the various different factors involved in doing so or a lemming* scenario where no one wants to be on the outside and the more lemmings that jump must mean that it's the right thing to do.*Lemmings apparently don't deliberately commit suicide unless driven to it by shaytanic forces or a camera team who wanted something special.
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Oh drfazl, thank you! I see now that it's the influence of Satan that's preventing me from seeing the truth unlike your piously protected special soul! Satan wipes his feet on your welcome mat before running away from your door! I've seen the light, do you want your check in the mail or via paypal? And can I get a discount from your usual fee?... When you've exhausted your repertoire of modified Chuck Norris impersonations and/or the usual petty tricks designed to evade/make you look like the kindly benevolent soul you want people to think that you are, I look forward to 'reading for the answers' regarding your interpretation of "I do not belong to your Lut kind as you imagine me to be". I'll even make it easier for you, just choose what you meant.
Let do this...God, protect us from Satan the rejected...annnnddd hajime
a)I don't belong to 'lut kind', you do and you imagine I belong to 'lut kind'? (go through options b to e)
b)I'm not gay, you are and you imagine I'm gay?
c))I'm not indecent, you are and you imagine I'm indecent?
d)I'm not lewd, you are and you imagine I'm lewd?
e)I'm not _____, you are and you imagine I'm _____?All roads lead to a somewhat apologetic conclusion unfortunately but no matter, some choices again...to make the path smoother
f)It was a petty retort, apologies, I'll have better ones next time (sincere).
g)It was a petty retort (snigger/snort).
h)My words only meant good/harmless things! (more than a tad problematic to pull off if sincere...must have an explanation off the beaten path)
i)My words only meant good/harmless things! (fake apology 101 always fall back to the good old misunderstanding excuse, explain it was totally not what the words chosen meant because oops haha silly fingers/keyboard/language/distractions etc)
j)Shove the apologies, I say what I please and do what I please.
k)No apologies for the truth as revealed by the divine to me! I mean what I say and say what I mean! (circle back to options a to e).Just because I wanted to guide with one verse from Quran, so much of retort?
"......... they will not spare you any ruin. They wish you would have hardship. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater. We have certainly made clear to you the signs, if you will use reason."
God Bless You
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Just because I wanted to guide with one verse from Quran, so much of retort?
"......... they will not spare you any ruin. They wish you would have hardship. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater. We have certainly made clear to you the signs, if you will use reason."
God Bless You
Yes, I'm very helpful and always offer to help those who've dug themselves into a hole unless they want to stay in there. I can see my help is not wanted nor appreciated. So, a modified version of option i) as was expected. What one verse of the quran did you want to guide with? Please post it and your explanation of "I do not belong to your Lut kind as you imagine me to be" in relation to this one verse of the quran you wanted to guide with which isn't even in the phrase "I do not belong to your Lut kind as you imagine me to be" but tacked on later to unsuccessfully bolster the chosen option i). -
After women being confined at home or hide in clothes in public and anti modern medicines rules then what else do you want in your fantasy land?
If said anything from Quran, it is only a guidance and a glad tiding for those who believe; it shall not be made a rule and there is no force to be applied if you are a believer. There is no fantasy involved in it except a care for.
I did not say at all my computer (I am not even using computer, period!) is superb and much better than God.
That is Breaking News.
You are hypocritical that you want modern MMs to be eliminated because they are modern but you yourself are using electronic device, which is modern, man-made and causes harm (ie. myopia).
You say I have problem of short sight; this is modern medicine; they by their sincere elaborate scientific lab investigations diagnose precisely wrong.
According to Qur'an, God told a Messenger (not Mohammed) to tell polytheists to kill themselves. Since you consider all types of commandments in Quran as universal then I challenge you to go to Hindu or neopagan forums and tell the members to kill themselves. Please. Or make a video of you shouting "Polytheists, KILL YOURSELVES!" in public and upload it on YouTube. Please.
You have understood this ayat in this manner? If you are a believer you can do yourself in the way you had understood. In this way of understanding there is not only force but killing instinct and great arrogance, contradicting Quran itself, bringing a very bad repute to Allah and His messengers and all the believing men and women. This way of understanding is islamic fundamentalism, like the talibans. The verses do not have the mundane meaning; ponder over the ayat and think and construe the best meanings from a better platform. Use 1698 before the Reading. Because of the bad understanding of Quran, the entire muslim society is looked down upon and is teated like first ranking criminals in the entire world.
6835 Then will We treat the Muslims like the criminals?
Wives of other prophets and messengers and other noble women in the Qur'an did go out of home. Mary, Mary, Mary.
Mary, did go out towards the east to a secluded place away from men even of her own, and not in a dress this thread is discussing about. So you may follow Mary at least, if she is our heroine at this moment.
You just want it the way you want it. You want a male-dominated world and women to confine themselves at homes or hide themselves in curtains by brainwashing women that by doing so they can be King of their homes.
No. As the way our Guidance, the verses of Allah that guides us. And guidance is not a force at all. You have full freedom to act according to how you take it. Meanings differ from person to person. Only Allah knows who is in the right path. So here we communicate with freedom of speech and actions.
" Who listen to speech and follow the best of it. Those are the ones Allah has guided, and those are people of understanding."
Peace
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Peace,
what on earth...? It's alright to just tell us you really liked that image drfazl...no need to spam. How about this one? Does this not suit your fancy or raise your ire as much as the woman? The other link has some dim camera work, otherwise better model in my humble opinion even if he does look a bit like Derek Zoolander.
This post smacked the kind of Lut people; you posted this to me; a spam post; and as a response to what I posted of the bikini clad one, the subject matter. The image link was posted in this thread by one of the members with some nice words
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Peace,
You posted this to me; a spam post. And as a response to what I posted of the bikini clad one, the subject matter. The image link was posted in this thread by one of the members with some nice words
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606042.msg343104#msg343104How does this explain your phrase addressed to me "I do not belong to your Lut kind as you imagine me to be"...? Where is the one verse of the quran you wanted to guide with in relation to this quoted phrase of yours?
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Peace,
This post smacked the kind of Lut people; you posted this to me; a spam post; and as a response to what I posted of the bikini clad one, the subject matter. The image link was posted in this thread by one of the members with some nice words
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606042.msg343104#msg343104Once again with your modified post...How does this explain your phrase addressed to me "I do not belong to your Lut kind as you imagine me to be"...? Where is the one verse of the quran you wanted to guide with in relation to this quoted phrase of yours? How did it smack the kind of Lut people? Did it smack of Lut people? and if so, it doesn't change a thing How does this explain your phrase addressed to me "I do not belong to your Lut kind as you imagine me to be"...? Where is the one verse of the quran you wanted to guide with in relation to this quoted phrase of yours?
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Wowwww
You can interpret verses all you want? to make women property of men and private objects like furniture at home.
? and also to make money from faith healings by prohibiting modern medicines.And then say these are from God.
Great.
And then you are surprised by other crazy interpretations.
The verses just say to prophet's wives so where the hell did you get from Qur'an that "believing" women must also obey the commandments to Prophet's wives. "you are not like any other women". Where the helk does it say "you are not like women who are pagans"?Hahaha you had comprehensive problem. Since when did I say you had myopia? I said electronic devices cause myopia.
Plus, this is an international forum so please use God and verse(s) instead of Allah and ayat.
I am an agnostic theist but I wish God is a really Merciful God who is not a misogynist. I don't know what kind of a god that Fazl and friends serve.
Earthdom,
Sometimes this kinda thread is often turned into circus because there are those who interpret Quran using their desires such as barbarian-influenced minds and hedonist-influenced minds.
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Peace
Your post contains a man in fully revealing bikini and you asked me if I liked it and encouraging me to tell you it is ok to tell us you really liked it drfazl. This in my understanding reminds me of Lut people. Am I right? or wrong? Explain to me. If you still say I am wrong, then my hands are up. May be I have misunderstood you. But please explain.
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Wowwww
You can interpret verses all you want? to make women property of men and private objects like furniture at home.
? and also to make money from faith healings by prohibiting modern medicines.And then say these are from God.
Great.
And then you are surprised by other crazy interpretations.
The verses just say to prophet's wives so where the hell did you get from Qur'an that "believing" women must also obey the commandments to Prophet's wives. "you are not like any other women". Where the helk does it say "you are not like women who are pagans"?Hahaha you had comprehensive problem. Since when did I say you had myopia? I said electronic devices cause myopia.
Plus, this is an international forum so please use God and verse(s) instead of Allah and ayat.
I am an agnostic theist but I wish God is a really Merciful God who is not a misogynist. I don't know what kind of a god that Fazl and friends serve.
Earthdom,
Sometimes this kinda thread is often turned into circus because there are those who interpret Quran using their desires such as barbarian-influenced minds and hedonist-influenced minds.
Why should you take my interpretation as ridiculous; and my living by it should be a botheration to you; you say your interpretation of Quran while living by it. It is an exchange platform not to ridicule a miracle like Quran which helps you to lead an independent life only by the Grace and Guide of God. Do not make a mockery of the verses when it is comprehended and enlivened and clearly being spelt out. You say your point of view if you have one. I am eager to it and awaiting such kind of exchange.
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Peace,
There is no compulsion from Quran. Its Allah 's warning for women to protect themselves. Many women get trapped outside of home while in the evening when they loiter late night movie shows, parties, dances etc. The evil in the men is fully functional during the night time.
Whereas Allah wants to purify by 3333, whereas we like get out of House, then its our risk and shirk against 3333.
At least be prayerful while getting out of House and make direct commitment to GOD. "Oh Lord , I am going out of House. Forgive me. I am going against your command 3333. Please make my return safely. Save me from evils from men.". Now step out with GOD confidence that too if its necessary to go out. But Night time stay at home and obey Allah and his messenger. Stay peacefully like a Queen. But you should know your messenger within your community. If you don't know your messenger you are far away from Quran. Everyone should know their messenger. They keep coming but not stop coming.
Such a caring post, johnsonmustafa
God Bless You
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Peace,
There is no compulsion from Quran. Its Allah 's warning for women to protect themselves. Many women get trapped outside of home while in the evening when they loiter late night movie shows, parties, dances etc. The evil in the men is fully functional during the night time.
Whereas Allah wants to purify by 3333, whereas we like get out of House, then its our risk and shirk against 3333.
At least be prayerful while getting out of House and make direct commitment to GOD. "Oh Lord , I am going out of House. Forgive me. I am going against your command 3333. Please make my return safely. Save me from evils from men.". Now step out with GOD confidence that too if its necessary to go out. But Night time stay at home and obey Allah and his messenger. Stay peacefully like a Queen. But you should know your messenger within your community. If you don't know your messenger you are far away from Quran. Everyone should know their messenger. They keep coming but not stop coming.
Salaam,
RED The evil in men is fully functional whenever we let shaytaan whisper to us. If YOU (thus not women) listen to Allah then saytaan will NEVER approach you, not in the morning not late at night not on the beach not even late at night in a disco on the beach.
BLUE "Bayt" doe NOT mean "House". And be carefull with saying things in the name of Allah on things you have little or no knowledge of.
Salaam,
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Peace
Your post contains a man in fully revealing bikini and you asked me if I liked it and encouraging me to tell you it is ok to tell us you really liked it drfazl. This in my understanding reminds me of Lut people. Am I right? or wrong? Explain to me. If you still say I am wrong, then my hands are up. May be I have misunderstood you. But please explain.
Yes, you are wrong because you apparently develop deliberate comprehension issues when put on the spot. I asked you why equal opportunity to the male in a bikini wasn't given instead of the woman being spam posted. Even if we accept your erroneous rendering of events, i.e. asking you if you liked a man in a bikini (instead of what was actually said) still does not explain "I do not belong to your Lut kind as you imagine me to be". Do you perhaps see the your there? Or is it a case of selective myopia? I've heard prayers from a pure soul work and perfect vision is restored, except in a dark room.
It's alright to just tell us you really liked that image drfazl...no need to spam the link or bring in fruit salads and/or Tarzan/Jane allegories. How about this one? Does this not suit your fancy or raise your ire as much as the woman?
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Yes, you are wrong because you apparently develop deliberate comprehension issues when put on the spot. I asked you why equal opportunity to the male in a bikini wasn't given instead of the woman being spam posted. Even if we accept your erroneous rendering of events, i.e. asking you if you liked a man in a bikini (instead of what was actually said) still does not explain "I do not belong to your Lut kind as you imagine me to be". Do you perhaps see the your there? Or is it a case of selective myopia? I've heard prayers from a pure soul work and perfect vision is restored, except in a dark room.
It does give this evil sense to me in RED. So I am taking strong objection to your posting me of the image of a man in fully revealing bikini; and then you asking me if I liked it and encouraging me to tell you it is ok to tell us you really liked it drfazl; yet I overlooked it for the sake of decency; but you kept on insisting I should explain without shame; I am not wrong at all according to my clear understanding. I am not put in a spot at all when I said "I am not of your Lut kind of a person or a gay, as you imagine me to be. I do not know how better I can express my ad nauseam. It is a terrible mistake I responded to you; I quit of you for good. I will never respond to you again. Enough is enough.
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peace
I decided that a bikini or bathing suit is appropriate on a beach or at a swimming pool. Going swimming in a full body suit does not make sense to me, nor is it fun.
sun
Btw., this is the kind of bathing suit the original poster was referring to. Apart from the fact that the model is horribly emaciated I can't see anything "inappropriate" in the picture.Link to bathing suit.
Peace Leyna,
I think a person should wear whatever they wish, you say that This and This
are both appropriate on the beach, but do they fit your standard of modesty as well? and
what about This one and This one?God bless
peace
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It does give this evil sense to me in RED. So I am taking strong objection to your asking posting to me of a man in fully revealing bikini; and then you asked me if I liked it and encouraging me to tell you it is ok to tell us you really liked it drfazl; yet I overlooked it for the sake of decency; but you kept on insisting I should explain without shame; I am not wrong at all according to my clear understanding. I am not put in a spot at all when I said "I am not of your Lut kind of a person or a gay, as you imagine me to be. I do not know how better I can express my ad nauseam. It is a terrible mistake I responded to you; I quit of you for good. I will never respond to you again. Enough is enough.
Well done. You really didn't need any help digging that deep hole for yourself did you, and the kicker is...all you had to do is choose something like option f) even after all that kicking and flailing because it was the simplest and truest answer given the recorded evidence. It's easy to deduce why you didn't pick it, but it does take epic arrogance not to have done so and to still continue twisting and turning to make yourself appear an innocent victim of a vicious indecent attack on your saintly person. You see, if I didn't know your bag of tricks by now, I'd be shocked at the amount of dust you can throw up in your evasive maneuvers. Suffice it to say, this is a somewhat expected outcome...just wanted to see if even something this clear could be denied, an exercise in limits, if you will. Your zeal to save your persona is limitless.
Btw, just for the record, if someone spam posts a link to a woman in a fully revealing bikini and then turns around and says 'I am taking strong objection to your asking posting to me of a man in fully revealing bikini" ...it's called hypocrisy, let's not even talk about shame because you won't understand what it means unless you can use it in your favour. Perhaps the evil you sense is closer to home than you think.