She's Not Naked !!!
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Just because I wanted to guide with one verse from Quran, so much of retort?
"......... they will not spare you any ruin. They wish you would have hardship. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater. We have certainly made clear to you the signs, if you will use reason."
God Bless You
Yes, I'm very helpful and always offer to help those who've dug themselves into a hole unless they want to stay in there. I can see my help is not wanted nor appreciated. So, a modified version of option i) as was expected. What one verse of the quran did you want to guide with? Please post it and your explanation of "I do not belong to your Lut kind as you imagine me to be" in relation to this one verse of the quran you wanted to guide with which isn't even in the phrase "I do not belong to your Lut kind as you imagine me to be" but tacked on later to unsuccessfully bolster the chosen option i). -
After women being confined at home or hide in clothes in public and anti modern medicines rules then what else do you want in your fantasy land?
If said anything from Quran, it is only a guidance and a glad tiding for those who believe; it shall not be made a rule and there is no force to be applied if you are a believer. There is no fantasy involved in it except a care for.
I did not say at all my computer (I am not even using computer, period!) is superb and much better than God.
That is Breaking News.
You are hypocritical that you want modern MMs to be eliminated because they are modern but you yourself are using electronic device, which is modern, man-made and causes harm (ie. myopia).
You say I have problem of short sight; this is modern medicine; they by their sincere elaborate scientific lab investigations diagnose precisely wrong.
According to Qur'an, God told a Messenger (not Mohammed) to tell polytheists to kill themselves. Since you consider all types of commandments in Quran as universal then I challenge you to go to Hindu or neopagan forums and tell the members to kill themselves. Please. Or make a video of you shouting "Polytheists, KILL YOURSELVES!" in public and upload it on YouTube. Please.
You have understood this ayat in this manner? If you are a believer you can do yourself in the way you had understood. In this way of understanding there is not only force but killing instinct and great arrogance, contradicting Quran itself, bringing a very bad repute to Allah and His messengers and all the believing men and women. This way of understanding is islamic fundamentalism, like the talibans. The verses do not have the mundane meaning; ponder over the ayat and think and construe the best meanings from a better platform. Use 1698 before the Reading. Because of the bad understanding of Quran, the entire muslim society is looked down upon and is teated like first ranking criminals in the entire world.
6835 Then will We treat the Muslims like the criminals?
Wives of other prophets and messengers and other noble women in the Qur'an did go out of home. Mary, Mary, Mary.
Mary, did go out towards the east to a secluded place away from men even of her own, and not in a dress this thread is discussing about. So you may follow Mary at least, if she is our heroine at this moment.
You just want it the way you want it. You want a male-dominated world and women to confine themselves at homes or hide themselves in curtains by brainwashing women that by doing so they can be King of their homes.
No. As the way our Guidance, the verses of Allah that guides us. And guidance is not a force at all. You have full freedom to act according to how you take it. Meanings differ from person to person. Only Allah knows who is in the right path. So here we communicate with freedom of speech and actions.
" Who listen to speech and follow the best of it. Those are the ones Allah has guided, and those are people of understanding."
Peace
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Peace,
what on earth...? It's alright to just tell us you really liked that image drfazl...no need to spam. How about this one? Does this not suit your fancy or raise your ire as much as the woman? The other link has some dim camera work, otherwise better model in my humble opinion even if he does look a bit like Derek Zoolander.
This post smacked the kind of Lut people; you posted this to me; a spam post; and as a response to what I posted of the bikini clad one, the subject matter. The image link was posted in this thread by one of the members with some nice words
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Peace,
You posted this to me; a spam post. And as a response to what I posted of the bikini clad one, the subject matter. The image link was posted in this thread by one of the members with some nice words
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606042.msg343104#msg343104How does this explain your phrase addressed to me "I do not belong to your Lut kind as you imagine me to be"...? Where is the one verse of the quran you wanted to guide with in relation to this quoted phrase of yours?
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Peace,
This post smacked the kind of Lut people; you posted this to me; a spam post; and as a response to what I posted of the bikini clad one, the subject matter. The image link was posted in this thread by one of the members with some nice words
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606042.msg343104#msg343104Once again with your modified post...How does this explain your phrase addressed to me "I do not belong to your Lut kind as you imagine me to be"...? Where is the one verse of the quran you wanted to guide with in relation to this quoted phrase of yours? How did it smack the kind of Lut people? Did it smack of Lut people? and if so, it doesn't change a thing How does this explain your phrase addressed to me "I do not belong to your Lut kind as you imagine me to be"...? Where is the one verse of the quran you wanted to guide with in relation to this quoted phrase of yours?
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Wowwww
You can interpret verses all you want? to make women property of men and private objects like furniture at home.
? and also to make money from faith healings by prohibiting modern medicines.And then say these are from God.
Great.
And then you are surprised by other crazy interpretations.
The verses just say to prophet's wives so where the hell did you get from Qur'an that "believing" women must also obey the commandments to Prophet's wives. "you are not like any other women". Where the helk does it say "you are not like women who are pagans"?Hahaha you had comprehensive problem. Since when did I say you had myopia? I said electronic devices cause myopia.
Plus, this is an international forum so please use God and verse(s) instead of Allah and ayat.
I am an agnostic theist but I wish God is a really Merciful God who is not a misogynist. I don't know what kind of a god that Fazl and friends serve.
Earthdom,
Sometimes this kinda thread is often turned into circus because there are those who interpret Quran using their desires such as barbarian-influenced minds and hedonist-influenced minds.
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Peace
Your post contains a man in fully revealing bikini and you asked me if I liked it and encouraging me to tell you it is ok to tell us you really liked it drfazl. This in my understanding reminds me of Lut people. Am I right? or wrong? Explain to me. If you still say I am wrong, then my hands are up. May be I have misunderstood you. But please explain.
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Wowwww
You can interpret verses all you want? to make women property of men and private objects like furniture at home.
? and also to make money from faith healings by prohibiting modern medicines.And then say these are from God.
Great.
And then you are surprised by other crazy interpretations.
The verses just say to prophet's wives so where the hell did you get from Qur'an that "believing" women must also obey the commandments to Prophet's wives. "you are not like any other women". Where the helk does it say "you are not like women who are pagans"?Hahaha you had comprehensive problem. Since when did I say you had myopia? I said electronic devices cause myopia.
Plus, this is an international forum so please use God and verse(s) instead of Allah and ayat.
I am an agnostic theist but I wish God is a really Merciful God who is not a misogynist. I don't know what kind of a god that Fazl and friends serve.
Earthdom,
Sometimes this kinda thread is often turned into circus because there are those who interpret Quran using their desires such as barbarian-influenced minds and hedonist-influenced minds.
Why should you take my interpretation as ridiculous; and my living by it should be a botheration to you; you say your interpretation of Quran while living by it. It is an exchange platform not to ridicule a miracle like Quran which helps you to lead an independent life only by the Grace and Guide of God. Do not make a mockery of the verses when it is comprehended and enlivened and clearly being spelt out. You say your point of view if you have one. I am eager to it and awaiting such kind of exchange.
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Peace,
There is no compulsion from Quran. Its Allah 's warning for women to protect themselves. Many women get trapped outside of home while in the evening when they loiter late night movie shows, parties, dances etc. The evil in the men is fully functional during the night time.
Whereas Allah wants to purify by 3333, whereas we like get out of House, then its our risk and shirk against 3333.
At least be prayerful while getting out of House and make direct commitment to GOD. "Oh Lord , I am going out of House. Forgive me. I am going against your command 3333. Please make my return safely. Save me from evils from men.". Now step out with GOD confidence that too if its necessary to go out. But Night time stay at home and obey Allah and his messenger. Stay peacefully like a Queen. But you should know your messenger within your community. If you don't know your messenger you are far away from Quran. Everyone should know their messenger. They keep coming but not stop coming.
Such a caring post, johnsonmustafa
God Bless You
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Peace,
There is no compulsion from Quran. Its Allah 's warning for women to protect themselves. Many women get trapped outside of home while in the evening when they loiter late night movie shows, parties, dances etc. The evil in the men is fully functional during the night time.
Whereas Allah wants to purify by 3333, whereas we like get out of House, then its our risk and shirk against 3333.
At least be prayerful while getting out of House and make direct commitment to GOD. "Oh Lord , I am going out of House. Forgive me. I am going against your command 3333. Please make my return safely. Save me from evils from men.". Now step out with GOD confidence that too if its necessary to go out. But Night time stay at home and obey Allah and his messenger. Stay peacefully like a Queen. But you should know your messenger within your community. If you don't know your messenger you are far away from Quran. Everyone should know their messenger. They keep coming but not stop coming.
Salaam,
RED The evil in men is fully functional whenever we let shaytaan whisper to us. If YOU (thus not women) listen to Allah then saytaan will NEVER approach you, not in the morning not late at night not on the beach not even late at night in a disco on the beach.
BLUE "Bayt" doe NOT mean "House". And be carefull with saying things in the name of Allah on things you have little or no knowledge of.
Salaam,
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Peace
Your post contains a man in fully revealing bikini and you asked me if I liked it and encouraging me to tell you it is ok to tell us you really liked it drfazl. This in my understanding reminds me of Lut people. Am I right? or wrong? Explain to me. If you still say I am wrong, then my hands are up. May be I have misunderstood you. But please explain.
Yes, you are wrong because you apparently develop deliberate comprehension issues when put on the spot. I asked you why equal opportunity to the male in a bikini wasn't given instead of the woman being spam posted. Even if we accept your erroneous rendering of events, i.e. asking you if you liked a man in a bikini (instead of what was actually said) still does not explain "I do not belong to your Lut kind as you imagine me to be". Do you perhaps see the your there? Or is it a case of selective myopia? I've heard prayers from a pure soul work and perfect vision is restored, except in a dark room.
It's alright to just tell us you really liked that image drfazl...no need to spam the link or bring in fruit salads and/or Tarzan/Jane allegories. How about this one? Does this not suit your fancy or raise your ire as much as the woman?
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Yes, you are wrong because you apparently develop deliberate comprehension issues when put on the spot. I asked you why equal opportunity to the male in a bikini wasn't given instead of the woman being spam posted. Even if we accept your erroneous rendering of events, i.e. asking you if you liked a man in a bikini (instead of what was actually said) still does not explain "I do not belong to your Lut kind as you imagine me to be". Do you perhaps see the your there? Or is it a case of selective myopia? I've heard prayers from a pure soul work and perfect vision is restored, except in a dark room.
It does give this evil sense to me in RED. So I am taking strong objection to your posting me of the image of a man in fully revealing bikini; and then you asking me if I liked it and encouraging me to tell you it is ok to tell us you really liked it drfazl; yet I overlooked it for the sake of decency; but you kept on insisting I should explain without shame; I am not wrong at all according to my clear understanding. I am not put in a spot at all when I said "I am not of your Lut kind of a person or a gay, as you imagine me to be. I do not know how better I can express my ad nauseam. It is a terrible mistake I responded to you; I quit of you for good. I will never respond to you again. Enough is enough.
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peace
I decided that a bikini or bathing suit is appropriate on a beach or at a swimming pool. Going swimming in a full body suit does not make sense to me, nor is it fun.
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Btw., this is the kind of bathing suit the original poster was referring to. Apart from the fact that the model is horribly emaciated I can't see anything "inappropriate" in the picture.Link to bathing suit.
Peace Leyna,
I think a person should wear whatever they wish, you say that This and This
are both appropriate on the beach, but do they fit your standard of modesty as well? and
what about This one and This one?God bless
peace
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It does give this evil sense to me in RED. So I am taking strong objection to your asking posting to me of a man in fully revealing bikini; and then you asked me if I liked it and encouraging me to tell you it is ok to tell us you really liked it drfazl; yet I overlooked it for the sake of decency; but you kept on insisting I should explain without shame; I am not wrong at all according to my clear understanding. I am not put in a spot at all when I said "I am not of your Lut kind of a person or a gay, as you imagine me to be. I do not know how better I can express my ad nauseam. It is a terrible mistake I responded to you; I quit of you for good. I will never respond to you again. Enough is enough.
Well done. You really didn't need any help digging that deep hole for yourself did you, and the kicker is...all you had to do is choose something like option f) even after all that kicking and flailing because it was the simplest and truest answer given the recorded evidence. It's easy to deduce why you didn't pick it, but it does take epic arrogance not to have done so and to still continue twisting and turning to make yourself appear an innocent victim of a vicious indecent attack on your saintly person. You see, if I didn't know your bag of tricks by now, I'd be shocked at the amount of dust you can throw up in your evasive maneuvers. Suffice it to say, this is a somewhat expected outcome...just wanted to see if even something this clear could be denied, an exercise in limits, if you will. Your zeal to save your persona is limitless.
Btw, just for the record, if someone spam posts a link to a woman in a fully revealing bikini and then turns around and says 'I am taking strong objection to your asking posting to me of a man in fully revealing bikini" ...it's called hypocrisy, let's not even talk about shame because you won't understand what it means unless you can use it in your favour. Perhaps the evil you sense is closer to home than you think.
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Excuse me Hawk, I consider you a polite person, even if I do not agree with you on different things, I consider you a benevolent person and that is one reason why I am surprised at your questions to Leyna. Mind you, I do not assume any twisted intention in your questions, but me, excuse me they really look out of place. They look exactly like those of a confessor of the catholic church pryingin your intimacy see if you had this or that thought, touched yoursel or other here or there...
Really do yo9u want to know the things you ask? Do you not think that modesty is personal and that you should ask yourself what is modest for you to do or think or look or put on or off where and when or in whose presence Would you like to be pried that way about your intimacy.
Let us not distract ourselves, modesty is the keeping of our intimacy, not an hommage we pay to a lurking evilthinker to whom we should give explanations.
Being worried about the way others protect their intimacy may be charitable if you shut up, do not look at them and look the other way or cover up what you see as their failings. Trespassing and prying in their own personal self image, unless asked, is offensive, INMODEST and out of place.
I know I would give a cold shoulder to whoever did pry inmodesly in my intimacy. Mind your business should be the best advice. If you do not like what you see, do not look. If you disagree, don't do it. Prying is inmodest. Oggling is inmodest and uncivilised.
I guess you have asked out of curiosity, but even for curiosity myself I would not bother to take any noticr of the questions that are out of place, inmodest, unless it is somebody belonging also to my intimacy.
The modesty fetiche is realy making inroads into the sanity of males of muslim culture. Too bad. There is no need for that and there is no merit or usefulness in it.
Salaam
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Plus, this is an international forum so please use God and verse(s) instead of Allah and ayat.
I think all english speaking forum became international forum yes
Sometimes this kinda thread is often turned into circus because there are those who interpret Quran using their desires such as barbarian-influenced minds and hedonist-influenced minds.
This happens when I get discussion both in here n domestic forum.
Wrote statements with Quranic verses, wrote statements with Quranic verses and over and over again.That's why the same issues repeated many times in this forum for many decades. (What kind of religion is this)
2431 And tell the believing females to lower their gaze and keep covered their private parts, and that they should not reveal their beauty except what is apparent,"
This the only wahy about rule of female dress.
RED word This depend on where the female lives.If the region legalized bikini and see it as normal so just wear it, and if the region doesn't then just don't do it.Simple I think.
More complete, please read http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605748.0
"Bayt" doe NOT mean "House". And be carefull with saying things in the name of Allah on things you have little or no knowledge of.
Salaam
RED then what?
BLUE Looks like some members in here became spokesman/woman of GodSalaam
Earthdom -
I think a person should wear whatever they wish, you say that This and This
are both appropriate on the beach, but do they fit your standard of modesty as well?
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what about This one and This one?I don't see the point in discussing each particular style of swimming garments. It depends on the person's preferences what they consider modest or not, and on the circumstances.
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2431 And tell the believing females to lower their gaze and keep covered their private parts, and that they should not reveal their beauty except what is apparent,"
This the only wahy about rule of female dress.
RED word This depend on where the female lives.Earthdom
"Illa ma Dhahara" translated as "except what is apparent" I do not think that it means what you say, because let us consider that, as it was in ancient Mexico, males were supposed to go almost naked, not for exhibition, but for the sake of being manly, that is not complain about cold, whether and so forth, other wise higher classes did embelish themselves with feathers and other adornments, but they should be "men" enough to withstand hardship and not complain like sissies.
What happened if you did not live up to that? Would it be morally wrong?
Another thing, if as it happens, it was imposed that all women should wear burqa, would that be what the Qur'an enjoins, that women are imposed a dress that is full of shortcomings from many points of view? Or would they be right in going against what is the rule, be it imposed by law or by habit for the sake of comfort and dignity, which according to the Qur'an are the foundation of dressing?
I think that "la yubdina zinatahunna illa ma thahara minha" means something else. It does not min, that whatever it is consider the sina is not seen, beccause if that was the meaning it could have been said so, but it says "yubdina", that is, make an exhibition, call attention to it. Dhahara means that it is seen, that something is seen it does not mean that it is being exhibited, that is, that the purpose is that it is looked at. When people normally in whatever way, it is not to be in exhibition, but to be comfortable and with enough dignity for the place or occasion where they mean to be present. So the question is not that smoething is seen or not, but that it is not exhibited nor attention is called to it.
Going back to the anciente mexico, the purpose was not that their bodies were looked at, so they did not exhibit their bodies, although they might exhibit their feathers and adornments. and of course they did cover their private parts and did have high moral standards as regards sex. You could say their bodies Dhahara, but no that they were exhibited.
So what the usages of the place are, does have a bearing on this, but it is not by any means all and if thethose uses are unhealthy or uncomfortable or tyranical, people have a right to go against them and uphold the purpose of dressing which is comfort and feeling of dignity of the user.
Feminine clothing in European gashion has always been rather uncomfortable, many times most unhealthy. It is nowadays that the way european women dress in the street is most comfortable and decent, except may for teeangers, when they are feed the horrible fashion industry. The way women dress in the west is not what peopladvertising. You just jave to stand in a street and watche the way people dress.
Salaam
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peace
I decided that a bikini or bathing suit is appropriate on a beach or at a swimming pool. Going swimming in a full body suit does not make sense to me, nor is it fun.
sun
Btw., this is the kind of bathing suit the original poster was referring to. Apart from the fact that the model is horribly emaciated I can't see anything "inappropriate" in the picture.Link to bathing suit.
I don't see the point in discussing each particular style of swimming garments. It depends on the person's preferences what they consider modest or not, and on the circumstances.
Peace leyna,
In your earlier post you did decide that the bikini was appropriate for the women
at the swimming pool, so my natural follow up question to you is, are those swimsuits in the links for men
appropriate as well? If you are embarrassed by the question I understand, and no answer is required.God bless you
peace