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She's Not Naked !!!

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    Leyna
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    How about men, can they be abused or beaten?
    Try abuse men you will get a blow on the face, on the spot. Because they normally don't depend on emotions and how people feel about something.

    I hate to break it to you, but there are many men being abused. Likewise, there are many female abusers. This fairy tale world of rough and tough men who will punch anyone in the face, and docile, dependent women who will tolerate all sort of abuse does not really exist. The real world is way more complex.

    As for men "not depending on emotions" see my post above. That's absolutely not true.

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      muslims
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      So why should mental strength be a particular trait of males?

      Because God creates, male and female... God does not create all human beings to be male; and vice versa. With these differences, men and women are supposedly to complement each other, so that they become whole (in strength).

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        muslims
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        I hate to break it to you, but there are many men being abused.

        Abused by women or their wife? I guess you are taking 1-2 cases as your authority against the general conditions of life known by billions of people, and since thousand years ago ... which I find it is not a reasonable conclusion or not a serious argument, logically speaking.

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          I liked the marathon example since I feel running a marathon is a wonderful metaphor for perserverance through mental strength. Running a marathon is not about your body, it's all about your mind and the fight with your mind.

          If what you say about women was true, then women would be much less likely than men to ever finish a marathon. Which, of course, is not the case.
          hmm

          Again, this is logic to you?

          How does "stamina" is related to "mental strength" (state of mind), ie. how it is affecting your internal or self esteem and character?

          Mental strength generally is an attribute that allow a person to persevere through the most difficult circumstances and emerge without losing confidence.

          The fact that women have lots of "fear" (worriness) in themselves, is a clear proof that they lack of mental strength. Women worry about everything, including shoes, makeup and all tiny issues. They even worry what people think about them on those very small issues, which most men think is quite ridiculous. Most of them even need to communicate or talk to people for releasing their tensions. They need someone to hear and listen to their feelings. Further and in general, their accomplishment are not due to their self interest, but more because of they "fear" of something (humiliation, expectation from people they love, fear of not being accepted by society or co-workers, fear people will hate them, fear of no equal treatments etc.). Fear and worriness is dominant in their life.

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            mmmm
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            What is really a mistery for me is that I see people who don't have anything with the Quran but are not brainwashed by the society and think for themselves, lead beautiful lives and have more common sense than some of the people here. but it is probably as someone said earlier - God is not confined inside a book and He guides whom he wants.
            I don't agree with everything she says but more common sense than some ppl around here...

            http//m.youtube.com/watch?v=WJVHRJbgLz8&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DWJVHRJbgLz8

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              mmmm
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              My fiance and i are going to hawaii so we can spent lovely time together but she want to wear a bikini but she thinks is haram and she is going to hell for it i tell her is okay go ahead and wear it but she thinks it isnt right but she also want to wear it but feel like is not right for her to do so. and to be honest i want to be at the beach in hawaii with her so do you think is wrong for her to wear it do you think God himself is going to punish her for doing that i myself dont see anything wrong with that she's not naked for God sake

              By the way if she feels it's haram for her who are you to say it's not...perhaps her feeling is more accurate than your "logic"...

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                Man_of_Faith
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                ....I would argue that most people let their wives walk around half-naked...but everyone has a right to his own preference just don'tpretend that Allah didn't advice people on a proper dress code, please!

                This verse suits the context of that article about women who swim commit adultery and eating bananas is immoral.

                I suppose you need to read what I post that verse at. Do you say that those who swim or eat bananas commit adultery?

                Peace out

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                  Man_of_Faith
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                  nope

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                    Leyna
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                    I liked the marathon example since I feel running a marathon is a wonderful metaphor for perserverance through mental strength. Running a marathon is not about your body, it's all about your mind and the fight with your mind.

                    Again, this is logic to you?

                    How does "stamina" is related to "mental strength" (state of mind), ie. how it is affecting your internal or self esteem and character?

                    I explained it very clearly. Running a marathon is as much about mental strength as it is about physical stamina. Without mental strength you won't finish a marathon.

                    Likewise, you can't develop physical stamina without mental strength because it requires dedication, goal-orientation, discipline, and the will to push yourself further. By the way, exercising, i.e. developing physical stamina, has been proven to help fight depression and raise self-esteem. So it is indeed interlinked with "self esteem and character". I am surprised you don't seem to be aware of this.

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                      I explained it very clearly. Running a marathon is as much about mental strength as it is about physical stamina. Without mental strength you won't finish a marathon.

                      Likewise, you can't develop physical stamina without mental strength because it requires dedication, goal-orientation, discipline, and the will to push yourself further. By the way, exercising, i.e. developing physical stamina, has been proven to help fight depression and raise self-esteem. So it is indeed interlinked with "self esteem and character". I am surprised you don't seem to be aware of this.

                      Peace,

                      Do not worry, Leyna. I agree with you that there are some grave misconceptions about things although there are differences between men and women but which even themselves out and we compensate each other's weaknesses. Summary is that no gender is better than the other only different qualities.

                      God bless you

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                        Jafar
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                        The fact that women have lots of "fear" (worriness) in themselves, is a clear proof that they lack of mental strength. Women worry about everything, including shoes, makeup and all tiny issues. They even worry what people think about them on those very small issues, which most men think is quite ridiculous. Most of them even need to communicate or talk to people for releasing their tensions. They need someone to hear and listen to their feelings. Further and in general, their accomplishment are not due to their self interest, but more because of they "fear" of something (humiliation, expectation from people they love, fear of not being accepted by society or co-workers, fear people will hate them, fear of no equal treatments etc.). Fear and worriness is dominant in their life.

                        Strong "mental strength", Self-Interest and Bravery might not be a good traits.

                        Major characteristic of a psychopath

                        1. Egocentric, Narcissistic and Arrogant
                        2. Lack of social empathy and anti-social behavior.
                        3. Fearlessness, Impulsiveness, Irresponsibility and Sensation-Seeking

                        According to research by The American Psychiatric Association, regarding the number of psychopath within current US population based on gender, around 3% from total men and only 1% from total women are psychopath.
                        Reference Personality Disorders and Impulse Control Disorders, The American Psychiatric Association.

                        "Rapist" easily fell into the category of "Psychopath" due to number 2 and 3.
                        Most of the Psychopath are very intelligent, they're well known to have a very high IQ, which makes them more 'dangerous'.

                        The best way is to 'avoid them', but that do not justify the 'guiltiness' of the Psychopath, where actually they have no sense of self-guilt at all and can easily blame others through deceit and strong argument.

                        When a man rape a woman, the man is guilty regardless of the context nor the clothing style of the woman.

                        Like I said; clothing style has nothing to do with morality.

                        More on this issue http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy

                        Explore the mind of a psychopath
                        Interview With a Psychopath
                        http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyEo77bpRzE

                        Salam / Peace

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                          huruf
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                          ....I would argue that most people let their wives walk around half-naked...but everyone has a right to his own preference just don'tpretend that Allah didn't advice people on a proper dress code, please!

                          God's dress code is that the best garment is the garment of righteousness.

                          Otherwise I do not think that He is in the business of fashion and protocol.

                          Salaam

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                            muslims
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                            I explained it very clearly. Running a marathon is as much about mental strength as it is about physical stamina. Without mental strength you won't finish a marathon.

                            Likewise, you can't develop physical stamina without mental strength because it requires dedication, goal-orientation, discipline, and the will to push yourself further. By the way, exercising, i.e. developing physical stamina, has been proven to help fight depression and raise self-esteem. So it is indeed interlinked with "self esteem and character". I am surprised you don't seem to be aware of this.

                            Well, it does not fit from my understanding of "mental strength" and I still cannot relate the issue of "stamina" (health) or "discipline" (attitude) with "mental strength" (state of mind). Maybe you are referring to something else... It have some little significance with mental strength, but it does not fully describe or accurately explain or proof to "mental strength". Maybe it is "psychological strength" (belief), "emotional intelligence" or something else, and the outcome is "mental strength".

                            Mental strength generally is an attribute that allow a person to persevere through the most difficult circumstances and emerge without losing confidence.

                            or.. mental strength is the ability to overcome mental resistance (negativity.. I can't do this, I can't do that.. I'm afraid of this, I'm afraid of that... I can't.. I can't.. I can't.. I can't.. and so on), preferably from unusual experiences. Things that are accomplished by exercising or repeated actions are "psychological strength". Gaining self belief through experiences and routines. It's got nothing to do with "mental, it is "belief" that are accomplished from routines, from experiences.

                            By the way, you repeatedly make a weird ending comment on your reply, such as "I am surprised you don't seem to be aware of this.". I'm sure you can express your opinion without these kind of comments ... or maybe it is a sign lack of self esteem or mental strength.

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                              muslims
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                              Strong "mental strength", Self-Interest and Bravery might not be a good traits.

                              I agree and some may extend to the state of "Hyperactivity", a disorder (ADHD).. .

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                                sushi1992
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                                I can see how God's words have been twisted and pulled on to suit chauvinism.... Disappointing.

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                                  Leyna
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                                  "Rapist" easily fell into the category of "Psychopath" due to number 2 and 3.

                                  Myth Rapists are crazy, deranged, abnormal perverts. They are lonely men without female partnership.

                                  Fact Rape is not a crime of spontaneous passion. Studies show that 60 to 70% of all sexual assaults are planned. Most rapists are married and having consensual sexual relations while assaulting other women. Rapists themselves do not describe their motivation in terms of sexual gratification, but in terms of hatred and conquest. Sex is used as a weapon to inflict violence, humiliation, and degradation on a victim. Indeed, rapists have said that rape is ?lousy sex.? Sexual offenders come from all educational, occupational, racial and cultural backgrounds. They tend to test differently from the normal, well-adjusted male only in having a greater tendency to express violence and rage.

                                  The best way is to 'avoid them', but that do not justify the 'guiltiness' of the Psychopath, where actually they have no sense of self-guilt at all and can easily blame others through deceit and strong argument.

                                  How should people avoid being raped?

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                                    Jafar
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                                    How should people avoid being raped?

                                    No silver bullet, truly dependent on context and environment, too much variables to be considered.
                                    If it's clothing style In Detroit my best advice is to choose either police or soldier uniform. Plus M16 rifle as accessories will be best.

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                                      huruf
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                                      One big problem with statements based on the assumption of "greater mental strength", "more emotional", "psichological differences" between females and males, etc. is that it is merely de prejudice of the stater and never a quotation from the Qur'an. That is, whatever is said on that count will always be somebody's opinion, not a proved fact, except through statistical samples which never support an inherent trait, but never, never, a statement from the Qur'an.

                                      Never such opinions can be sustentated on the words of the Qur'an. That fact is conclusive. People invent. People invent this difference or that, which may may exist statistically but which is never gentical nor inherent but acquired, and again, statistical.

                                      Attempting to ground rules on those opinionderived assumptions is wrong. Thsoe pehnomena, those statistical countings are the product fo conditioning, making them serve to further condition people is nto somethign due to nature but an attempt to force people to conform to certain rules which themselves are based on previous conditioning.

                                      Qur'an does not do that, but people keep on pretending that it is Qur'an that does that, exept they can't bring any quotes of that.

                                      Salaam

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                                        huruf
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                                        How not to be raped? If it is your father or some family member who si the raper, ovbiously never be alone with them in the home. Go to the cinema or something.

                                        If it is some passer by, do nto get to near anybody in the street or lonely streets. Or, and that is 100% effective and causes people cross over to the opposite sidewalk, carry a fencing sports weapon. Magic. Besides, if it come sto that, you can use it.

                                        Salaam

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                                          muslims
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                                          In Detroit my best advice is to choose either police or soldier uniform. Plus M16 rifle as accessories will be best.

                                          rotfl

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