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    The_Chimp
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    Evidence of what, the chimp?

    Peace out

    I think it is an error in translation and perhaps a deliberate error to suit the belief as Jesus as son of God.

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      Man_of_Faith
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      Thus I said I think because I do not know. It ought to be some kind of error since Jesus is not the son of God.

      Peace out

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        The_Chimp
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        Thus I said I think because I do not know. It ought to be some kind of error since Jesus is not the son of God.

        Peace out

        Saying "I think" does not excuses you at all . . . neither is it a synonymous for "I do not know". "I think" tells you a person has to come to his opinion with some reasoning behind it.

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          NielsJacob
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          Peace The_Chimp

          Sorry )

          Summery

          Father is only used ones in Torah.

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            Man_of_Faith
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            Saying "I think" does not excuses you at all . . . neither is it a synonymous for "I do not know". "I think" tells you a person has to come to his opinion with some reasoning behind it.

            Well, the reason I think is because as I think you know is that Jesus is not the son of God so some error must be in there. Thus why "I think" there is an error in the before-mentioned. Is that something you have to argue this much about?

            Peace out

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              The_Chimp
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              Well, the reason I think is because as I think you know is that Jesus is not the son of God so some error must be in there. Thus why "I think" there is an error in the before-mentioned. Is that something you have to argue this much about?

              Peace out

              Look - I have helped you . . . do you know what the word "arrogant" means?

              "having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities."

              You know full well the limit of your abilities . . . yet the amount you pretend and then are pulled up short. So when you were accusing me . . . it was really projecting.

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                Man_of_Faith
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                Look - I have helped you . . . do you know what the word "arrogant" means?

                "having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities."

                You know full well the limit of your abilities . . . yet the amount you pretend and then are pulled up short. So when you were accusing me . . . it was really projecting.

                It is interesting that such things are usually mirrored in the one who said it.

                Peace out

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                  The_Chimp
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                  It is interesting that such things are usually mirrored in the one who said it.

                  Peace out

                  I already said you are good at covering yourself up with BS. And here once again you fall short . . . this is pathetically confusing and about paradoxically illogical

                  It is interesting that such things are usually mirrored in the one who said it.

                  This is intended to be aimed at me . . . but look what it says . . . so it goes back to you!

                  Ha ha ha . . . this is just too easy! eat

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                    Man_of_Faith
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                    Peace.

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                      Israfeel
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                      To refer to Allah as 'Abba' is pure anthropomorphism. It is assigning a sexual gender to the Lord of the Worlds. Allah is not father or mother, He is the Great, Holy, and Pure.

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                        NielsJacob
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                        Peace Israfeel

                        To refer to Allah as 'Abba' is pure anthropomorphism. It is assigning a sexual gender to the Lord of the Worlds. Allah is not father or mother, He is the Great, Holy, and Pure.

                        That was also my view when I made the first post.

                        But now I think its acceptabel due to its apperance and usage in Torah.
                        The "title" is used in Isaiah 6316.
                        So I don?t think its right to assume as you do.

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                          Israfeel
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                          Peace Israfeel
                          That was also my view when I made the first post.

                          But now I think its acceptabel due to its apperance and usage in Torah.
                          The "title" is used in Isaiah 6316.
                          So I don?t think its right to assume as you do.

                          It's usage in the Torah is allegorical due to the nature of the Hebrew language. However, Allah is never referred to as father in the Quran, and that is sufficient for the believers.

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                            NielsJacob
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                            Peace Israfeel

                            ...However, Allah is never referred to as father in the Quran, and that is sufficient for the believers.

                            Why its this sufficient?

                            The Torah is confirmed by Jesus (5.46). And in this we have the usage of the word "Father"

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                              Israfeel
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                              Peace Israfeel

                              Why its this sufficient?

                              The Torah is confirmed by Jesus (5.46). And in this we have the usage of the word "Father"

                              What about "Mother"? The Mormon religion actually says God has a Wife and she is the 'Eternal Mother'. They use the Torah as proof that how can someone be a Father unless he has a wife who is a mother?

                              It's impossible that there is a father but no mother.

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                                NielsJacob
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                                PeaceIsrafeel

                                What about "Mother"? The Mormon religion actually says God has a Wife and she is the 'Eternal Mother'. They use the Torah as proof that how can someone be a Father unless he has a wife who is a mother?

                                It's impossible that there is a father but no mother.

                                Of cause its possible due to nothing is impossible for God.

                                But anyway. I think the term "Father" is used in the meaning "Father of a nation."

                                The Mormons make their own conclusions. These have never been authorized.

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                                  Israfeel
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                                  PeaceIsrafeel
                                  Of cause its possible due to nothing is impossible for God.

                                  But anyway. I think the term "Father" is used in the meaning "Father of a nation."

                                  The Mormons make their own conclusions. These have never been authorized.

                                  Father of a nation is a term, and so is Mother of a nation. So we're back to square one.

                                  You say that nothing is impossible for God. Based on this I have two questions

                                  1. Is it possible for God to create another God who is superior and greater than Him? (God Forbid)

                                  2. Is it possible for God to break his promise, lie, or deceive? (God Forbid)

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                                    NielsJacob
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                                    Peace Israfeel

                                    Father of a nation is a term, and so is Mother of a nation. So we're back to square one.

                                    No we are not. Mother have never been confirmed in HQ.

                                    You say that nothing is impossible for God. Based on this I have two questions

                                    1. Is it possible for God to create another God who is superior and greater than Him? (God Forbid)

                                    2. Is it possible for God to break his promise, lie, or deceive? (God Forbid)

                                    In the theory nothing is Impossible. So only God know.
                                    Our own conclusions wouldn?t leed us anywhere.

                                    But here are my own simple thoughts. Wich only should be seen as so

                                    1. I think in the Theory God Could create something greater. But that would again be Him selves.
                                      So again its a defenition of Him.

                                    2.Offcouse God could lie . But when he said he woudln?t we must trust this (but in the theory this could also be a lie).

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                                      NielsJacob
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                                      Peace Israfeel
                                      Here is one I thought long time about

                                      Is it possible for God to create such big stone he couldn?t carry.

                                      But I think we now really getting off-topic. Or??

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                                        Israfeel
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                                        Well you've already answered my questions. You said it is theoretically possible for God to create another God who is greater than Him, and you said it's theoretically possible for God to lie.

                                        Therefore I say to you

                                        For you your religion, and for me my religion.

                                        I do not worship what you worship, nor do you worship Who I worship.

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                                          NielsJacob
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                                          Salam Israfeel

                                          I
                                          do not worship what you worship, nor do you worship Who I worship.

                                          Who?are you to tell?

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