Abba or Allah

The_Chimp

It is interesting that such things are usually mirrored in the one who said it.

Peace out

I already said you are good at covering yourself up with BS. And here once again you fall short . . . this is pathetically confusing and about paradoxically illogical

It is interesting that such things are usually mirrored in the one who said it.

This is intended to be aimed at me . . . but look what it says . . . so it goes back to you!

Ha ha ha . . . this is just too easy! eat

Man_of_Faith

Peace.

Israfeel

To refer to Allah as 'Abba' is pure anthropomorphism. It is assigning a sexual gender to the Lord of the Worlds. Allah is not father or mother, He is the Great, Holy, and Pure.

NielsJacob

Peace Israfeel

To refer to Allah as 'Abba' is pure anthropomorphism. It is assigning a sexual gender to the Lord of the Worlds. Allah is not father or mother, He is the Great, Holy, and Pure.

That was also my view when I made the first post.

But now I think its acceptabel due to its apperance and usage in Torah.
The "title" is used in Isaiah 6316.
So I don?t think its right to assume as you do.

Israfeel

Peace Israfeel
That was also my view when I made the first post.

But now I think its acceptabel due to its apperance and usage in Torah.
The "title" is used in Isaiah 6316.
So I don?t think its right to assume as you do.

It's usage in the Torah is allegorical due to the nature of the Hebrew language. However, Allah is never referred to as father in the Quran, and that is sufficient for the believers.

NielsJacob

Peace Israfeel

...However, Allah is never referred to as father in the Quran, and that is sufficient for the believers.

Why its this sufficient?

The Torah is confirmed by Jesus (5.46). And in this we have the usage of the word "Father"

Israfeel

Peace Israfeel

Why its this sufficient?

The Torah is confirmed by Jesus (5.46). And in this we have the usage of the word "Father"

What about "Mother"? The Mormon religion actually says God has a Wife and she is the 'Eternal Mother'. They use the Torah as proof that how can someone be a Father unless he has a wife who is a mother?

It's impossible that there is a father but no mother.

NielsJacob

PeaceIsrafeel

What about "Mother"? The Mormon religion actually says God has a Wife and she is the 'Eternal Mother'. They use the Torah as proof that how can someone be a Father unless he has a wife who is a mother?

It's impossible that there is a father but no mother.

Of cause its possible due to nothing is impossible for God.

But anyway. I think the term "Father" is used in the meaning "Father of a nation."

The Mormons make their own conclusions. These have never been authorized.

Israfeel

PeaceIsrafeel
Of cause its possible due to nothing is impossible for God.

But anyway. I think the term "Father" is used in the meaning "Father of a nation."

The Mormons make their own conclusions. These have never been authorized.

Father of a nation is a term, and so is Mother of a nation. So we're back to square one.

You say that nothing is impossible for God. Based on this I have two questions

Is it possible for God to create another God who is superior and greater than Him? (God Forbid)
Is it possible for God to break his promise, lie, or deceive? (God Forbid)

NielsJacob

Peace Israfeel

Father of a nation is a term, and so is Mother of a nation. So we're back to square one.

No we are not. Mother have never been confirmed in HQ.

You say that nothing is impossible for God. Based on this I have two questions

Is it possible for God to create another God who is superior and greater than Him? (God Forbid)
Is it possible for God to break his promise, lie, or deceive? (God Forbid)

In the theory nothing is Impossible. So only God know.
Our own conclusions wouldn?t leed us anywhere.

But here are my own simple thoughts. Wich only should be seen as so

I think in the Theory God Could create something greater. But that would again be Him selves.
So again its a defenition of Him.

2.Offcouse God could lie . But when he said he woudln?t we must trust this (but in the theory this could also be a lie).

NielsJacob

Peace Israfeel
Here is one I thought long time about

Is it possible for God to create such big stone he couldn?t carry.

But I think we now really getting off-topic. Or??

Israfeel

Well you've already answered my questions. You said it is theoretically possible for God to create another God who is greater than Him, and you said it's theoretically possible for God to lie.

Therefore I say to you

For you your religion, and for me my religion.

I do not worship what you worship, nor do you worship Who I worship.

NielsJacob

Salam Israfeel

I
do not worship what you worship, nor do you worship Who I worship.

Who?are you to tell?

Abdul-Hadi

Greetings and Peace, all group

Well you've already answered my questions. You said it is theoretically possible for God to create another God who is greater than Him, and you said it's theoretically possible for God to lie.

Therefore I say to you

For you your religion, and for me my religion.

I do not worship what you worship, nor do you worship Who I worship.

Those were loaded questions, and it seems that they were not intended as legitimate (and off topic) questions, but as traps. Answer your own questions if you are honest--then others can metaphorically throw rocks at you!

Do you dispute that Heavenly Father is a potentially beautiful name? It is a term that could not be applied to any other than ALLAH. If you don't like the term, don't use it.

Your opinions pertaining to the Deen are valued with the exact same weight given to any extra-Qur'anic hadith. You can keep your hadith and traditions, and continue to follow what you found your forebears doing. Good luck with that; enjoy this life! )

"Wait, for we are waiting." )

ALLAH knows best.

peace

~Abdul-Hadi

Abdul-Hadi

Greetings and Peace, all group

Peace Israfeel
Here is one I thought long time about

Is it possible for God to create such big stone he couldn?t carry.

But I think we now really getting off-topic. Or??

Oh, this one is easy; the Almighty simply moves all else of creation around the stone; the stone is moved without moving.

peace

~Abdul-Hadi

NielsJacob

Peace Abdul-Hadi

Oh, this one is easy; the Almighty simply moves all else of creation around the stone; the stone is moved without moving.

I like the idea.
But are you sure that this mean that that stone has been moved/lifted?
Actually I think it havn?t been moved. But only the rest.
Or?

The_Chimp

Greetings and Peace, all group

Those were loaded questions, and it seems that they were not intended as legitimate (and off topic) questions, but as traps. Answer your own questions if you are honest--then others can metaphorically throw rocks at you!

Do you dispute that Heavenly Father is a potentially beautiful name? It is a term that could not be applied to any other than ALLAH. If you don't like the term, don't use it.

Your opinions pertaining to the Deen are valued with the exact same weight given to any extra-Qur'anic hadith. You can keep your hadith and traditions, and continue to follow what you found your forebears doing. Good luck with that; enjoy this life! )

"Wait, for we are waiting." )

ALLAH knows best.

peace

~Abdul-Hadi

In other words . . . the Bible which Quran openly calls as corrupt . . . that you would follow? Yet those are the exact same people who transmitted Quran and those who transmitted Hadith.

Do you dispute that Heavenly Father is a potentially beautiful name?

Yes. If it was that good . . . Quran would have used it. As there are many names already given for the Almighty . . . why do you need extra?

This is but another example . . . how quickly "Quran only" shun the Quran.

NielsJacob

Peace The _Chimp

Yes. If it was that good . . . Quran would have used it. As there are many names already given for the Almighty . . . why do you need extra?

Muhammed isn?t the only messenger. Isaiah also was one.

He use the word "Father".

For the conclusion leading us there. Please read my earlier posts to you

The_Chimp

Peace The _Chimp

Muhammen isn?t the only messenger. Isaiah also was one.

He use the word father.

For the conclusion leading us there. Please read my earlier posts to you

There is no Isaiah mentioned in the Quran - or even in Hadith attributed to the Prophet Muhammad .

NielsJacob

Peace The_Chimp

There is no Isaiah mentioned in the Quran - or even in Hadith attributed to the Prophet Muhammad .

But Isaiah is in the Torah.

And conserning Torah I quoted this passage earlier to you
546 And We sent in their footsteps Jesus, son of Mary, authenticating what was present with him of the Torah