I am God / Allah
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It is nonsense when they acknowledge they are men like everyone else?
How can that be . . .
Pharaoh is not about the issue of whether he is God . . . it is about the issue of Arbab and Thaghut.
Pharaoh said, "I do not show you
except what I see
and I do not guide you
except to the way of right conduct"
(4029)Pharaoh himself know that he is human . . he eats, he sleep, he was born like everyone else, he knows that he will die etc. .
So as everyone else . . they know these facts, and that's why they even acknowledge that he was a man like everyone else in (23.47)
See? Everyone know that he is a man . . like everyone else, and therefore is not claiming himself as God
Now . . did Pharaoh believe in God ?
Yes . .
And We helped the Children of Israel cross the sea
and Pharaoh and his soldiers followed them out of hatred and animosity
But when he was certain to drown, he said
"I believe that there is no god except the One in whom the Children of Israel believe
and I am of those who have surrendered (muslim)."
(10.90)Do you undertand the statement "I believe that there is no god except the One in whom the Children of Israel believe"?
It means he believe in gods and goddesses (God of Ra, the egyptian gods and goddesses etc.), but not Allah.
Do you have something useful that I can think of, other than using the ad hominem, fallacious arguments and hate speech?
The first known claimant - that I can think of regarding the belief of Pharaoh was Ibn Arabi. And he stands accused of such pantheistic attitude akin to the views of "Muslims"
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Do you think Pharaoh and everyone else during that time doesn't know he is a human being?
There have been people who claimed themselves to be Prophets and Gods - this is nothing new. The case of Rashad Khaliafah - he was no messenger.
The case of the Australian Jesus - if you listen to him - he is very very very sincere . . . but he know he is neither Jesus nor a deity. But - he seems to believe it 100%.
There are countless cases of this.
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Well . . . I noticed it all the times because it is so obvious that everyone in this world feed everyone else . . .
including the criminals, disbelievers, non muslims and even animals and bacteria etc.
Therefore, it doesn't explain how Allah feed and answer peoples' prayers.
I only see human beings feed and answer peoples' prayers . . . this is clear facts.
Please proof to me when did Allah feed and answer peoples' prayers.
You might as well ask - prove me that the Almighty exists at all.
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and again, that's how they present their argument and truth . . it is their tradition rotfl
Huh? Or this is how you work . . . by sectarianism. Evidence? Read above. Look at what was put to you . . . and look how you replied.
I simply pointed out - some of your thought is akin to what is alleged about Ibn Arabi. There was no "argument" or "truth" pointed out.
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What is the issue of discussion?
Maybe it is too hard for you . .
Let me ask you a simple question . . what is your name? rotfl
"Muslims" - lost an argument. It emerged - his English is poor. But he does not understand a word of Arabic and hence cannot read the Quran. His theories are all build on clear misunderstandings.
When he cannot answer . . . he goes like this. Mildly abusive.
As to my name - it is "Amin Riadh".
Now what is your name?
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Yes you win, according to your standard . .
This is the pattern of your argument quarrel
I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right.
I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right.
I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right.
I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right.
I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right.
I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right.Therefore, I am right . . you are wrong ! rotfl
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Yes you win, according to your standard . .
This is the pattern of your argument quarrel
I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right.
I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right.
I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right.
I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right.
I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right.
I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right.Therefore, I am right . . you are wrong ! rotfl
Well it clearly isn't. And lest we forget . . . you are the one who went silent. Also - here we did not even have nay quarrels . . . yet you started right off.
Remember the wee statement you made? That you ain't sectarian. I guess that was not right.
Moving on. You have trouble with basics. . . like stating what your name is. What your background is. Stating what your mother tongue is.
Sorry brother - you can run forever but you cannot hide that you are not even able to read the Quran.
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as usual, blank denials and false accusations bla . . bla . . bla . . without any supporting reasons . boring giveup
"False accusations" says the one who tells me I am committing shirk based on what, Pharaoh? and then tells me I "seem insecure", then says "don't attack the messenger, attack the message" because only "Muslims" knows what that is, but can't explain it coherently or with more than 1 or 2 sporadic ayat taken out of context of the Quran.
It is you who can't even support your own theories. Who gives a crap about 0 and 1 and infinity? Do those numbers bring justice or feed people?
Speaking of justice, if humans are Allah, capable of knowing and seeing all, when it comes to the day of judgment, how do you see this going down? Will people see the intentions and all the deeds of other people? What about when they give in charity anonymously? Which human will witness it? It is impossible because humans are not omnipresent. When humans are referred to as a creation, did we also create the heavens and earth, etc?
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See? I have proven that you are incapable of making an argument . . worst, you can't even understand the issue of this thread . .
as usual . . http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606023.msg344356#msg344356
he can repeat the same pattern as much as it need, even up to 10,000 posts ... and its fun!
argumentum ad nauseam rotfl
and . . you are being off topic nope
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"False accusations" says the one who tells me I am committing shirk based on what, Pharaoh?
Okay, where did I said this?
Either you quote my statement . . or you are a liar.
and why keep diverting from this simple question and creating so many false accusations?
This is the issue of this thread and you seem to ignore every question relating to this verse from the beginning . . .
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Allah is Ahad?
That is, Allah is Oneness
There is nothing in existence other than Him
Allah is Samad
A whole without any void or emptiness
nothing penetrates into it
nothing extends out from it
Allah has no boundary
Therefore, where can our existence that is other than the Ahad and Samad Allah be?
Inside or outside of Allah?
If you don't have the answer . . then don't push yourself too much
Because now you sound like The Chimp !
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See? I have proven that you are incapable of making an argument . . worst, you can't even understand the issue of this thread . .
as usual . . http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606023.msg344356#msg344356
and . . you are being off topic nope
Am I off topic? So when you were being a little sectarian - what was that about? Getting all personal?
See? I have proven that you are incapable of making an argument
No you haven't. All you have "proven" is that you cannot answer some simple questions put to you. And when you cannot you start quarreling.
Just like today. I did not set off quarreling with you. You did that! All by your self
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Okay, where did I said this?
Either you quote my statement . . or you are a liar.
and why keep diverting from this simple question and creating so many false accusations?
If you don't have the answer . . then don't push yourself too much
Because now you sound like The Chimp !
You are just outright rude. Is that so you do not have to answer simple questions?
Allah is Ahad?
That is, Allah is Oneness
There is nothing in existence other than Him
Allah is one. Where did you get oneness from?
And then you say
There is nothing in existence other than Him
And how did you arrive at this? Obviously there is . . . as to the Almighty as the uncreated being - he is the only one. However, we accept him as our creator.
Also - the use of Ahad refers to "unity" and the word Wahid refers to "one and unique"
Allah is Samad
A whole without any void or emptiness
nothing penetrates into it
nothing extends out from it
Allah has no boundary
Samad means Eternal and the absolute.
Simple question. Your source?
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