I am God / Allah
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as usual, blank denials and false accusations bla . . bla . . bla . . without any supporting reasons . boring giveup
"False accusations" says the one who tells me I am committing shirk based on what, Pharaoh? and then tells me I "seem insecure", then says "don't attack the messenger, attack the message" because only "Muslims" knows what that is, but can't explain it coherently or with more than 1 or 2 sporadic ayat taken out of context of the Quran.
It is you who can't even support your own theories. Who gives a crap about 0 and 1 and infinity? Do those numbers bring justice or feed people?
Speaking of justice, if humans are Allah, capable of knowing and seeing all, when it comes to the day of judgment, how do you see this going down? Will people see the intentions and all the deeds of other people? What about when they give in charity anonymously? Which human will witness it? It is impossible because humans are not omnipresent. When humans are referred to as a creation, did we also create the heavens and earth, etc?
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See? I have proven that you are incapable of making an argument . . worst, you can't even understand the issue of this thread . .
as usual . . http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606023.msg344356#msg344356
he can repeat the same pattern as much as it need, even up to 10,000 posts ... and its fun!
argumentum ad nauseam rotfl
and . . you are being off topic nope
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"False accusations" says the one who tells me I am committing shirk based on what, Pharaoh?
Okay, where did I said this?
Either you quote my statement . . or you are a liar.
and why keep diverting from this simple question and creating so many false accusations?
This is the issue of this thread and you seem to ignore every question relating to this verse from the beginning . . .
(112)
Allah is Ahad?
That is, Allah is Oneness
There is nothing in existence other than Him
Allah is Samad
A whole without any void or emptiness
nothing penetrates into it
nothing extends out from it
Allah has no boundary
Therefore, where can our existence that is other than the Ahad and Samad Allah be?
Inside or outside of Allah?
If you don't have the answer . . then don't push yourself too much
Because now you sound like The Chimp !
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See? I have proven that you are incapable of making an argument . . worst, you can't even understand the issue of this thread . .
as usual . . http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606023.msg344356#msg344356
and . . you are being off topic nope
Am I off topic? So when you were being a little sectarian - what was that about? Getting all personal?
See? I have proven that you are incapable of making an argument
No you haven't. All you have "proven" is that you cannot answer some simple questions put to you. And when you cannot you start quarreling.
Just like today. I did not set off quarreling with you. You did that! All by your self
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Okay, where did I said this?
Either you quote my statement . . or you are a liar.
and why keep diverting from this simple question and creating so many false accusations?
If you don't have the answer . . then don't push yourself too much
Because now you sound like The Chimp !
You are just outright rude. Is that so you do not have to answer simple questions?
Allah is Ahad?
That is, Allah is Oneness
There is nothing in existence other than Him
Allah is one. Where did you get oneness from?
And then you say
There is nothing in existence other than Him
And how did you arrive at this? Obviously there is . . . as to the Almighty as the uncreated being - he is the only one. However, we accept him as our creator.
Also - the use of Ahad refers to "unity" and the word Wahid refers to "one and unique"
Allah is Samad
A whole without any void or emptiness
nothing penetrates into it
nothing extends out from it
Allah has no boundary
Samad means Eternal and the absolute.
Simple question. Your source?
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My Arbab is Allah, that which "is," infinite and functioning as one, not myself. Perhaps if allah wished, i could be a conduit for his light, as you put it, but I don't prostrate to myself or other humans. Human reasoning is limited. I also don't possess the knowledge required to know for certain whether i do justice to the message, but that is part of our journey on this earth-- to find out and to define ourselves according to what is good and evil. Pharaoh is the poster child for thaghut. If you would have posted 4026 to 4032, you would not be thinking highly of pharaoh at all. you would see how allah sees pharaoh, in other words. People who think that humans are the ultimate in creation and judgment are committing thaghut.
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You are being off topic offtopic
It is boring . . .
and . . . what is the issue of this thread?
Do you have the capacity to understand the issue, or you are going make an irrelevant argument (quarrelling) by repetition?
I am sorry - but it is you who is off topic. I made some comment - in return you posted mild abuse.
It is all there. When I originally commented. Nothing was "off topic".
Now I am merely replying to you.
Hence the accusation of off topic is incorrect. Now ignore this. . . . and reply to what I asked.
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You are just outright rude. Is that so you do not have to answer simple questions?
Allah is one. Where did you get oneness from?
And then you say
And how did you arrive at this? Obviously there is . . . as to the Almighty as the uncreated being - he is the only one. However, we accept him as our creator.
Also - the use of Ahad refers to "unity" and the word Wahid refers to "one and unique"
Samad means Eternal and the absolute.
Simple question. Your source?
So what is your conclusion . . present your argument and authority.
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My Arbab is Allah, that which "is," infinite and functioning as one, not myself. Perhaps if allah wished, i could be a conduit for his light, as you put it, but I don't prostrate to myself or other humans. Human reasoning is limited. I also don't possess the knowledge required to know for certain whether i do justice to the message, but that is part of our journey on this earth-- to find out and to define ourselves according to what is good and evil. Pharaoh is the poster child for thaghut. If you would have posted 4026 to 4032, you would not be thinking highly of pharaoh at all. you would see how allah sees pharaoh, in other words. People who think that humans are the ultimate in creation and judgment are committing thaghut.
Do you understand my question?
Therefore, where can our existence that is other than the Ahad and Samad Allah be?
Inside or outside of Allah?
How many times I have to asked you?
and you are a liar . . you cannot quote my statement and making false accusations over and over again!
Okay, where did I said this?
Either you quote my statement . . or you are a liar.
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So what is your conclusion . . present your argument and authority.
Huh? What do you mean "conclusion". I am asking you questions . . . they are there - either answer or don't. But please refrain from doing this.
Thank you - much obliged.
I simply wish to know your source and how you are translating Ahad and Samad and the source and reasoning for your interpretation of these 2 words.
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Stupid . . . you don't even know what is a conclusion and yet claiming you are making an argument rotfl
What is your counter argument, and based on what authority?
I already gave full explanations and will not repeat . . unless, you don't read, as usual.
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I hope people will not ignore the fact that angels prostrate to Adam, mmm . . . as equals to God?
That must carry some weight . . .
especially, at the beginning of the story (the main objective of creation) and those who refuse are the disbelievers . . .
And when your Lord
took from the children of Adam
from their loins
their descendants
and made them testify of themselves
, "Am I not your Lord?"
They said, "Yes, we have testified."- lest you should say on the day of Resurrection
"Indeed, we were of this unaware"
(7172)
and.. I wonder where does it say in the Quran that Pharaoh claimed he was God . . . ???
This is one instance where you accused me of shirk. Shirk as defined by you apparently as being "like Iblees" or Allah alone. I guess in order to avoid shirk, according to you, I must prostrate to humans.
You don't even remember the garbage you write. You didn't even know that Pharaoh claimed he was God in the Quran!
- lest you should say on the day of Resurrection
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Stupid . . . you don't even know what is a conclusion and yet claiming you are making an argument rotfl
What is your counter argument, and based on what authority?
I already gave full explanations and will not repeat . .
I already have enough experience dealing with you. I am not going to row again. The end.
Also - please have a see . . .
yet claiming you are making an argument
I never claimed to have an "argument". I claimed to have questions for you.
So prove it where did I claim to have an argument?
I already gave full explanations and will not repeat
If that is the case - why didn't you point this out . . . rather than the above?
This is what you did on the other issue - avoid answering, twisting what I said, repeating, quarreling, being rude. . . anything but answer.
If you do not want to answer fine . . .the end. But quit playing silly games.
They just make you look bad.
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Do you understand my question?
How many times I have to asked you?
and you are a liar . . you cannot quote my statement and making false accusations over and over again!
Funny, that was when I was being polite in the beginning before you alienated me. I told you I didn't understand and asked you to clarify. All you would do is talk about "0" and "1" and infinity. Things that are not in the Quran, yet you say things like "you don't need vision, you just need to read and understand the Quran" Well, the Quran says that Allah grasps all vision, yet his vision cannot be grasped (6102) yet it appears that you want to oppose this. You also tried to tell me that I accept parts of the Quran and reject the rest. You are just a pathetic turd!!! AND A LIAR! I tried to politely understand you and you kept telling me and others that we were "wrong" as if you know anything.
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This is one instance where you accused me of shirk. Shirk as defined by you apparently as being "like Iblees" or Allah alone. I guess in order to avoid shirk, according to you, I must prostrate to humans.
You don't even remember the garbage you write. You didn't even know that Pharaoh claimed he was God in the Quran!
What? I cannot speak and form an opinion from facts from the Quran?
I am speaking about Adam and Iblees
What are you? Iblees? rotfl
and please don't repeat the issue of Pharaoh . .
I have already made counter arguments and which you seem to ignore and more interested in making false accusations and lying in this forum . . and which now I loose my respect for you.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606172.msg346067#msg346067
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606172.msg345932#msg345932and you are still diverting from answering the following question, and yet you are claiming absolute truth, saying bad things and forcing others to believe what you believe . . . without reason.
Therefore, where can our existence that is other than the Ahad and Samad Allah be?
Inside or outside of Allah?
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What? I cannot speak and form an opinion from facts from the Quran?
I am speaking about Adam and Iblees
What are you? Iblees? rotfl
and please don't repeat the issue of Pharaoh . .
I have already made counter arguments and which you seem to ignore and more interested in making false accusations and lying in this forum . . and which now I loose my respect for you.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606172.msg346067#msg346067
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606172.msg345932#msg345932and you are still diverting from answering the following question, and yet you are claiming absolute truth, saying bad things and forcing others to believe what you believe . . . without reason.
What are you? Iblees? rotfl
Oh well - it seems you do this to everyone!
I have already made counter arguments and which you seem to ignore and more interested in making false accusations
Well, when it comes to false accusations...
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I already have enough experience dealing with you. I am not going to row again. The end.
Also - please have a see . . .
I never claimed to have an "argument". I claimed to have questions for you.
So prove it where did I claim to have an argument?
If that is the case - why didn't you point this out . . . rather than the above?
This is what you did on the other issue - avoid answering, twisting what I said, repeating, quarreling, being rude. . . anything but answer.
If you do not want to answer fine . . .the end. But quit playing silly games.
They just make you look bad.
So am I, fully aware of how you are making an argument quarrelling . .
Look, I don't live on tress and I don't understand how you make an argument
However and from my world , it is not an argument . .
and if you are lazy to read, then . . you have successfully proven yourself being an idiot who only argues, without first understanding the issue of this thread . .
and who knows . . maybe you can join those who are rejecting the "law of cause and effect" and always able to learn directly from God
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So am I, fully aware of how you are making an argument quarrelling . .
Look, I don't live on tress and I don't understand how you make an argument
However and from my world , it is not an argument . .
and if you are lazy to read, then . . you have successfully proven yourself being an idiot who only argues, without first understanding the issue of this thread . .
and who knows . . maybe you can join those who are rejecting the "law of cause and effect" and always able to learn directly from God
But I did not argue - nor claimed to argue. I asked you questions . . . end of.
Else as I have asked you to to prove this
yet claiming you are making an argument
I guess you cannot and you made a false accusation.
Sweet heart - it appears no one knows how you make an argument. Let me ask you . . . are you lonely? Do you just want to quarrel?
I mean - you started this . . . not me!
Look! I even posted a comments in support of you!
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