The Quran is NOT sufficient
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peace be upon you Damon,
Dont feel too downhearted brother, we have been promised the message of al quran (the reading) will never fade, and thus the archetypes described in al quran will never fade. You experienced al haq (the evident truth) first hand! I have also experienced what you speak of.
Wakas
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Salaam brother Damon,
That's the main part of the conversation that keeps popping into my head, he verbally, commandingly and assertively told me NO The Book of GOD is NOT sufficient for him for guidance.
That's the problem when one has chosen the wrong path, they will have to accept every mistake along the way, no matter how absurd... they are blind, deaf and dumb.
PS- I mentioned to you before, if there's anything I can do please don't hesitate to contact me.
Peace.
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Peace be upon you all,
Moderators, do we have enough evidence now that Ansar should be sent on his way? Or are we still being patient to see if he really wants to learn something. I think there were others on here who were sent on there way who were more interested in learning that he is.
Just my opinion.
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Peace be upon you all,
Moderators, do we have enough evidence now that Ansar should be sent on his way? Or are we still being patient to see if he really wants to learn something. I think there were others on here who were sent on there way who were more interested in learning that he is.
Just my opinion.
pff...how sad. You know i've been always nice and respectful to the members of this board.
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Peace Ansar,
Or the fallacy of your sect which never appeared in human history until now?
False. The anti-hadith movement is as old as Hadith itself. Imam Shafi is credited for defeating these groups around the 8th centrury AD. In his greatest work, Al-Risala, one can see his polemics against the anti-hadith group at that time.
-Ams
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Ansar,
This is not your mission to judge, the god is our only judge.
You have to abide by the forum rules or left it in peace.
How am i judging? Isnt free-minds and its members judging as well by calling other muslims names, idol-worshipper and all sorts of other things? Do they also have to abide by the rules? Apparently not.
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Peace Ansar,
Or the fallacy of your sect which never appeared in human history until now?
False. The anti-hadith movement is as old as Hadith itself. Imam Shafi is credited for defeating these groups around the 8th centrury AD. In his greatest work, Al-Risala, one can see his polemics against the anti-hadith group at that time.
-Ams
Please open up a book on islamic history and its formation of sects. There where people who denied some parts of hadith. But they never rejected hadith totally. They always prayed the same, didnt said that haram was halal, performed the same hajj etc. Discussions arose on minor issues. Just like the 4 schools of law.
And pleaaase...give me some quotes from the risala right now. Lets see how truthful you are. And also give me some examples of the 'anti-hadith group' you are talking about.
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Peace brother Damon,
Don't get disheartened and neither be disappointed because the prophet also suffered the same humiliation as you underwent. No one was ready to listen to him because he invited them to the Quran. Prophet had a meagre 70 followers after 13 years of preaching.
Mr. Ansar
FOLLOW that which is SENT DOWN toward you from your Lord, and follow not any patrons (HADITH WRITERS) beside Him; yet little ye are admonished. 73
The COMMAND is to FOLLOW the QURAN, but there is no COMMAND to FOLLOW any BOOK other than the Quran
HOLD thou fast wherefore to that which is REVEALED Unto thee verily thou art on the straight path. 4343
The COMMAND is to HOLD the QURAN only and verily they are on the right path. How those who HOLD BOOKS other than the Quran, be on the right path?
And verily, this (the Qur'an) is indeed a Reminder for you and your people, and you will be QUESTIONED (about it). 4344
The QURAN is a REMINDER for the PROPHET and his FOLLOWERS, where do Bukhari and his hadith stand? Muslims will be QUESTIONED about the QURAN and NOT THE HADITH OF BUKHARI
Mr. Ansar, prove that following prophet = following Bukhari and if you don't then please........
(AS OF TODAY NOT EVEN A SINGLE SCHOLAR HAS COME FORWARD WITH QURANIC EVIDENCES / VERSES TO SUBSTANTIATE THEIR CLAIM THAT "FOLLOWING THE HADITH IS AN ARTICLE OF FAITH")
FOLLOW THE PROPHET
To obey and follow the messenger means (to you) to believe in the Hadith. What do you really mean? Let us put the situation during Prophet Muhammad's days. Do you mean to say that when he frowned and turned away from the blind man, everybody frowned and turned away from 'Abd Allah Ibn Umm Maktum? Or, when he lost a tooth, everybody started pulling his or her tooth? Or, when he moved his right leg, everybody followed him? Or, when he got married for the fourth time, everybody started hunting for the fourth time? Or, when he ate the ribs of lamb, everybody rushed for the lamb's ribs? From the Hadiths, we know that the Prophet was constantly watched - even what he did in the toilet and in the bedroom were witnessed, witnessed by pious and reliable people.
What is the matter with you? How judge you? Or have you a BOOK through which you LEARN. That you shall have all that you choose? 6836/37/38
YES THE MUSLIMS LEARN FROM THE HADITH.
Yes the SUNNI Muslims have ANOTHER book, which is called " THE SAHIH LIES OF BUKHARI HADITH, and they have EVERYTHING in it FOR THEM
The QURAN is not SUFFICIENT for them because, QURAN has no sex, no vulgarity, no fantasy, no nonsense, and no idiotic and false narrations.
RIDICULE
O ye who believe! Let not some men among you LAUGH at others it may be that the (latter) are better than the (former) Nor let some women LAUGH at others it may be that the (latter) are better than the (former) nor DRFAME nor be SARCASTIC to each other nor call each other by (offensive) NICKNAMES Ill-seeming is a name connoting wickedness (to be used of one) after he has believed And those who do not desist are (Indeed) doing wrong. 4911V/s
Sahih Bukhari 4435 Al Bara
The Prophet said to Hassan, "Lampoon (ridicule) them (i.e. the pagans) and Gabriel is with you."Bukhari has INSULTED the prophet, the Angel of Allah, but these blind scholars and their followers instead of RIDICULING Bukhari are REVERING him. It is shame on the Muslims who follow Bukhari.
BEST GUIDANCE
And believe no one except the one who follows your religion. Say "verily the guidance of Allah IS the guidance" 373V/s
Sahih Bukhari 8120 Tariq
'Abdullah said, "The best talk is Allah's Book (Qur'an), and the best guidance is the guidance of Muhammad."Bukhari CHALLENGES Allah. Prophet's guidance is better than the guidance of Allah
Nor can you guide the blind out of their error, YOU CAN ONLY MAKE TO HEAR those who BELIEVE in Our VERSES, and who have submitted. 2781
Mr. Damon, you cannot make your mentor hear you because he does not truly believe in the verses of Allah, but Bukhari.
Thanks
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Peace Damon
sorry to hear about your experience brother. But I admire your courage in speaking out in the face of your community's rejection.
And bro - just ignore Ansar. He's letting his shaitans get the better of him here - making posts just to rile you. Being rude to people over the internet can be a heady and addictive pastime - I pray Allah will show him a better way.
salaams
asdfjk
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Peace Damon,
Take it easy bro, I've been somewhat in the same puddle as your are for quite some time now, occasionally worse at times.
GOD Bless.
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After what my wife and I have been through the past year and a half with these people here, we've decided that enough's enough. Of course there will always be this kind of idolworshippers no matter where you go, but we are looking to leave Pittsburgh and going somewhere where we will not be the only GOD Alone/Quran Alone people in the city.....even if it means almost starting over from scratch.
Brother Damon
You're on Hijrat! What a Blessing from Allah!
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He who forsakes his home in the cause of Allah, finds in the earth Many a refuge, wide and spacious Should he die as a refugee from home for Allah and His Messenger, His reward becomes due and sure with Allah And Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.You're living as an example believing in Allah's order. You're fulfilling Allah's promise.
"Salaamun Alaikkum"
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When those come to thee who believe in Our signs, Say "Salaamun Alaikkum" Your Lord hath inscribed for Himself mercy verily, if any of you did evil in ignorance, and thereafter repented, and amend, lo! He is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.Ansar follow him, Damon
Shun the demons.May Allah guide you
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Salaam all,
Thanx a million for the kind words and encouragement. D May Allah Bless you all for your words and for your willingness to brave this storm.
As for you Ansar.....
One last thing, my former mentor's niece also condemed my wife for taking off the hijab and she has a child out of wedlock....as a so-called muslimah. And yet, she has a very prominent position at the Mosque I used to go to but they dismissed my wife from her position there because she refused to wear the hijab. Talk about hypocrisy!!
Good thing they did. Only good muslims should hold such prominent positions so he/she can be a good example to the muslim society
Goes to show how you and the rest of the hadithian race are nothing but dishonest hypocrites!!
According to your sunni shariah, the niece of my ex-mentor should be stoned to death for having sexual relations out of wedlock, or hang to death like they did that 16 year old girl in Iran. But you and the rest of these lying hypocrites overlook this because she is wearing a rag on her head.
How can she be a good muslimah and a good example to the muslim society when she blatantly did what Allah said not to do??!!
Oh, and I forgot to mention the young girl that the Amir of the one Mosque had illicit sex with is also a so-called muslimah. Something else for you to hypocritically think about.
GOD Alone/Quran Alone,
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Peace be upon you all,
Moderators, do we have enough evidence now that Ansar should be sent on his way? Or are we still being patient to see if he really wants to learn something. I think there were others on here who were sent on there way who were more interested in learning that he is.
Just my opinion.Brother idolfree,
Seek allah's salamath now over ansar's ignorance. If we have an edge let us prove the point to him and make him repent or retreat. He has no subject at all to out beat the truth. Throw the truth over the falsehood and the falsehood vanishes. Are we not to see this promise of allah? If we are incapable of doing such thing, is it not that we have to improve ourselves upon the truth. Let this be jihad against ansar without sword or weapon or use of discretionary powers that we have, but only with the knowledge that you aught to apply, or the wisdom that allah might grant us for our patience towards ansars and his likes.
May Allah Save Us the Dignity
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By the way, tell your wife that according to islam, so called 'quran-only people' are apostates and no longer remain muslims. A wife should be seperated from her husband then. If she doesnt seperate, she'll be living in zina.
Ansar, if you do not substantiate your views as you have stated above, with proper ayats then you are an outcast. So will you please answer the following
Allah says He alone shall purify you and there by place you on the straight path.
Follow not the majority who are astray
Follow not the fore fathers and ancestors
Follow not what is not sent down upon you
Follow Allah
Follow Prophets
Follow rasuls
Look up to Him alone for anything and everything
Never lie on Allah.Now tell me, if any of your statements fits any of the requirements that allah had mentioned in the Book.
Are you following allah or the pariahs such as buhari, muslim, abudawood and tirmithi etc.?
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Peace idolfree,
Totally against banning Ansar, he's been such a laugh. Funny how he had a lot to write about Damon's demise, but fail to comment on the Amir shagging behind her wife's back. Probably thinks it was muta'.
Regards
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Peace be upon you Brother Fazl and Mozmahe,
Thank you for the reminders. It just was getting to be like a fly buzzing around my ear. But I will just transcend that level. Thank you both for maintaining the path in this matter and sending me the reminder.
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Peace Ansar,
The ahl al-kalam took a more radical line, rejecting the authority of hadith altogether. What we know of their ideas about sunna is drawn primarily from polemical works written against them. We get our first substantial views of their arguments from the writings of al-Shafii.
pg 13 of Daniel Brown's Rethinking Tradition in Modern Islamic Thought
Again, the rejection of Hadith is as old as Hadith itself. It is a simple historical fact. I don't understand why you are denying this.
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Shafi was born in 204 AH (193 years after Prophet Muhammad's death). He was the first to argue the Prophet's sunna as a source of law, identified to authentic prophetic hadith, and give it an equal footing to The Quran. Different attitudes to sunna existed during Shafi, al-kalam (a particular group or school of thought) rejected hadith altogether in favour of The Quran alone. Shafi's view was also oppossed early by schools of jurisprudence in Hijaz, Iraq and Syria, who applied the term sunna to Muhammad, his companions and the early caliphs as well.
After Shafi, it is rare to find the term sunna applied to other than Muhammad. Al-kalam argued the sunna of Muhammad should never be allowed to rule on The Quran and described the science of hadith (as in the methods used to collect hadith) as arbitrary. Evidence of this was the hadith was filled with contradictory, blasphemous and absurd traditions."Rethinking Tradition in Modern Islamic Thought" by Daniel Brown. (p8-20)
