Why Won't Palestinian Govt Recognize Israel?
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The Palestinians have been fighting for their independence through violent means for decades and every year there are way more Palestinians dead than Israelis. So, I think it is time to use different alternative. If by giving in the Palestinians could finally get at least a little piece of land where they can live peacefully and control their own country what is wrong with that?
It is easy for us here to 'cheer' for the Palestinians to keep on fighting to the death for their freedom. It reminds me of those mullahs who keep praising the bravery of suicide bombers while at the same time all they can do is hiding from the battlefield and saving their own lives.
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Peace Jankren,
The Palestinians have been fighting for their independence through violent means for decades
Meaning from when exactly... and before that?.. before they started fighting?If by giving in the Palestinians could finally get at least a little piece of land where they can live peacefully and control their own country what is wrong with that?
Who says that's going to happen?... it didnt happen before!It is easy for us here to 'cheer' for the Palestinians to keep on fighting to the death for their freedom. It reminds me of those mullahs who keep praising the bravery of suicide bombers while at the same time all they can do is hiding from the battlefield and saving their own lives.
There is no cheering, or jeering for that matter. They are doing what they can do, if they had helicopter gunships and tanks, believe me they would use them. They have been forced into this unimaginable, dehumanizing desperation... and no, it's not by the "mullahs".I suggest you look into what's really been happening to the palestinians, jankren, and try not to make judgements based on news you see or read on mainstream (corporate) media.
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I think we should notice this, Israel is a U.N. mad nation, its not leaving anytime soon. No matter how much protest to its existence, peacefully or not, the U.N. is not willing to have the shame in going back on its decision to make the nation. So if even if you kick Israel out with a large palestinian army, its not like the U.N. wont send a better army to take it back. What should we do if we can get rid of Israel? One way or another, liking it or not, both of these nations will have to recognize each other sooner or later.
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Just pick-up weapons and fight until the zionist occupation is ended...Then you can sort out your government and its structure.
I believe Palestinains need to learn from the model of the Iraqi Resistance. Keep your military structures loose and secret, keep your leadership underground, and fight with no compromise and no negotiation until the occupation and its puppets are driven out or surrender.
They have been doing this for 50 f... years. And what have they gained? NADA.
Israel's main argument for their oppression is that they are the only democratic country in the region have to deal with violent neighberhood.
I wonder if Palestinians had ever had a plan, a thought at least about changing the course of action?
How about trying for a year or two,since abviously there is nothing to be lost, peacful methods of achieving the goal.
If Israel is so democratic, the the only way to beat them is in their own game - be a bigger democrat.
I guess this is some kind of syndrom for muslim countries - straight to the wall, with their head! -
peace all,
I think we should notice this, Israel is a U.N. mad nation, its not leaving anytime soon. No matter how much protest to its existence, peacefully or not, the U.N. is not willing to have the shame in going back on its decision to make the nation. So if even if you kick Israel out with a large palestinian army, its not like the U.N. wont send a better army to take it back. What should we do if we can get rid of Israel? One way or another, liking it or not, both of these nations will have to recognize each other sooner or later.
the UN was made reduntant years ago imo! look how many resolutions is passes against israel which go ignored! and look how many are simply vetoed by the USA before israel even has a chance to ignore them! a simple google search will show you because the list would be too huge to post here!
They have been doing this for 50 f... years. And what have they gained? NADA.
Israel's main argument for their oppression is that they are the only democratic country in the region have to deal with violent neighberhood.
I wonder if Palestinians had ever had a plan, a thought at least about changing the course of action?
How about trying for a year or two,since abviously there is nothing to be lost, peacful methods of achieving the goal.
If Israel is so democratic, the the only way to beat them is in their own game - be a bigger democrat.
I guess this is some kind of syndrom for muslim countries - straight to the wall, with their head!as for israel being a democracy - well the only reason it can continue being a democracy is by depriving palestinians their rights - an israeli friend explained this to me - they cant be a democracy and give palestinians equal rights because then they would no longer be in power.
and as for a peaceful method - every time palestinians have agreed to a cease fire, israel breaks it and then twists the truth to make out like they are the peaceful ones - fact is that israel needs to fight with the palestinian people because they are a common enemy which unite israeli society - without it, israeli society will implode on itself because there is no unity within the country apart from being united against the palestinians.and how can there ever be peace with no justice?? palestinians in the palestinian territories are living in horrific conditions
and palestinians who are israeli citizen are treated as second class citizens in israelnow i dont agree with violence but i would never condemn palestinians for their resistance because they know no other way.... and i think if i had lived through the same stuff i would be just the same. who are we to judge living our comfy lives, spectators to the war from the security of our living rooms?!!?
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now i dont agree with violence but i would never condemn palestinians for their resistance because they know no other way.... and i think if i had lived through the same stuff i would be just the same. who are we to judge living our comfy lives, spectators to the war from the security of our living rooms?!!?
And who are to judge living our comfy lives, telling them Go get killed! Its good for you!
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Say one kills your children and comes back in two years and asks for forgivness. And you forgive him. And then after that, the same guy kills your wife/girlfriend and comes back after another two years and asks for forgivness. And the same stupidity will continue. Why do YOU think that the Palestinians will never accept peace? Because they had their homeland taken, thier citizens killed, and so on and it's still happening today. Everytime they accept peace, or a discussion to diplomacy, Israel then bombs some village in Gaza just to provoke Palestine which will make the Palestinians refuse any diplomatic talks and get more outraged. Israel can not simply kill people and just get away with it. It doesn't work that way. It's already enough that Hitler slaughtered 6m Jews during WW2. Why do the Israelies keep continuing committing similiar stupidity(i.e killing, destroying, etc) like Shitler? Everyday, I get to read about how Israel has shot/bombed atleast one child or a teen. Just recently Israel claimed to have killed a "terrorist", although the witnesses say that he was unarmed. His name was Mohammad Mubarak, 19, from Jalazun refugee camp and said he was working as a labourer on the road connecting Ramallah and Nablus, as part of a USAID-funded project.
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It reminds me of this..
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it's on their property....
no but all nations have fallen and new nations have risen they won't admit their fall and they others won't admitt their conquer...
tention because "nothing is happening" suppose it-ly -
I seriously do not really know the reason why Palestinian Govt insists on refusing to recognize the existence of Israel? I think it is ridiculous to maintain such a stance because Israel is obviously not going to vanish anytime soon and in the meantime Palestinians will only keep getting butchered for what I think an unnecessary stubborness.
I say just give them what they want such as recognition of Israel's existence and complete stop of violent resistance and then we can see what the other side of the bargain has to offer. If they still come up with excuses to occupy the Palestinian lands then public opinion would probably turn against them and I say let Iran sends their Mehdi Army or whatever into Israel so waves after waves of suicide bombers would kick every single Israeli into the dead sea.
Peace,
because israel demands they recognize the "jewish" state of israel, not the state of israel
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because israel demands they recognize the "jewish" state of israel, not the state of israel
This is just a useful soundbite. During the Hamas administration (the one before Abbas decided not to hold an election for his position he thought he was going to lose), Hamas actually accepted that Israel is a state, a Jewish state. Since then, Abbas has made similar comments in his attempt to get an accord with Israel to guarantee Israeli recognition of a Palestinian state.
The phrase is only used now to delay the process the Palestinians have already (even Hamas) accepted years ago, its just an excuse to demonise the Palestinians to claim its their fault the peace process is delayed. In truth its delayed because Israel refuses to stop settlements (I don't think Abbas is even fighting to remove the ones already there anymore), control over Palestinian airspace and coast off the Gaza strip, and of course final settlement on the position of East Jerusalem. I don't believe Abbas is even fighting the requirement by Israel to have no Palestinian military force (army, navy, airforce).
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Israel- "Please give us 3 billion a year."
US- "No problem Israel."Israel-" Send us weapons whenever we ask."
US- "Okay Israel, you got it!"Israel- "Send us more money please!"
US- "Sure Israel, whatever you say."Israel- "Support us at the UN every time, even if you know our policies are wrong."
US- "Will not be a problem Israel!"US- "Hey Israel, can you please do something for us? Please take these peace talks a little more seriously. We're really trying our best."
Israel- "ANTI-SEMITE!!!1!"
Why should a Jewish homeland exist anyway? It has NO right to exist, just like a Qur'anist homeland doesn't have any right to exist. The Israelies(AKA EUROPEANS KHAZAR with a big Zlatan nose) believe that Israel should be for the Jews, and they have therefor replaced the natives of the land. They should go back to primitive countries like Denmark instead and spread their disease there, afterall those are the countries were most of them orginated from, no? As a European(Who was born & grew up in Sk?ne), I'm willing to give away worthless countries like Denmark just to see Palestine free.
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Personally, I'm 100% against a Jewish homeland(And this goes to any other religious stupid homeland whether it be the calipha or khalistan) trying to establish itself on Palestinian land. There is NOTHING anti-semitic about this like silly Israel claims. It's a fact that no religious people have the right to take over a nation. I will never recognize Israel as a "Jewish state". And no, it's not because I hate Jews. Infact my grandfather was a yahoodi (Jew), and even HE would have laughed at Israel for real. Brilliant people like Stephen Hawkings will always stand with Palestine. Israel can have all the religious nutjobs supporting it, but that will not help it. Until every Islamist is gone from the Middle-East, there will be a Palestine. Israel will never dare to use any violence against the Palestinians(Or It's neighboors) ever again, otherwhise the Arab world will hunt down Israel for good.
In the future, I hope I can visit a beautiful jewish synagogue were I can meet a lot of nice Jewish people(I've always wanted to meet the Syrian Jews in New York - I hear that the Jews there are very nice), and I will always oppose a religious homeland whoever that might come from. I oppose a caliphate and therefor I oppose Israel as well.
Many Jews oppose Zionism and Israel too. Why is Israel such a cowardly country thinking that only Palestine opposes it? LOL
This is just a useful soundbite. During the Hamas administration (the one before Abbas decided not to hold an election for his position he thought he was going to lose), Hamas actually accepted that Israel is a state, a Jewish state. Since then, Abbas has made similar comments in his attempt to get an accord with Israel to guarantee Israeli recognition of a Palestinian state.
This is why people like Ron paul believes that Hamas was started by Israel.
The phrase is only used now to delay the process the Palestinians have already (even Hamas) accepted years ago, its just an excuse to demonise the Palestinians to claim its their fault the peace process is delayed. In truth its delayed because Israel refuses to stop settlements (I don't think Abbas is even fighting to remove the ones already there anymore), control over Palestinian airspace and coast off the Gaza strip, and of course final settlement on the position of East Jerusalem. I don't believe Abbas is even fighting the requirement by Israel to have no Palestinian military force (army, navy, airforce).
Abbas is a corrupt moron.
To me, Palestine is more like Yugoslavia. A corrupt place, a terrible government, a lot of people are running around without jobs, poor education, no true army anymore, etc. Palestine has become the new Bosna. A lot of Christian Palestinians have left the West-Bank and have been heading towards Lebanon instead just because they couldn't stand living under occoupation since it didin't attract a lot of tourists to Bettlehem apparently.
and I say let Iran sends their Mehdi Army or whatever into Israel so waves after waves of suicide bombers would kick every single Israeli into the dead sea.
Iran has no interest of attacking Israel(Iran could easily destroy Israel, seeing the fact that Iran is soon going to be handed the S-300s by Russia, but the UN has put sanctions on Russia for trying to give Iran the S-300s, as Israel was whining about how powerful Iran would have become LOL). Infact Iran only wants to build more nuclear reactors, but Israel is preventing it because Israel does not want Iran to advance and become as strong as Persia once was. It's obvious to me that Israel is the one trying to pick a fight with Iran by trying to assassine its nuclear scientists, and sadly the Arab world is trying to start a sectarian war against Iran when Iran has never been the enemy of the Arab world and when infact Israel is the disease in the Middle-East. I hope one day that Abdullah burns in hell for good, and that Saudi-Arabia does not have an idiotic leader like that.
And FYI, if Iran really wanted to attack Israel, they wouldn't send any suicide bombers or any "Mehdi army" as silly people claim. It's Israel that has 1251 super tanks with special ability to look like an old woman (armour 9, damage 11) and 1 World's Greatest terrorist (ever) named O'Mama Ladin Schlomo Recycle Bin and 1 Israeli Stealth Bomber forces (Used during the Star Wars and Zalgiris Battle piloted by Jurgis Kirys). Israel also has its own artifical intelligence claims itself to be a bird and undertake long distance ammual migration to the South. And not to mention their 15000 Light infantry.
It's sad that the Arab world is controlled by religious wahabbi pro-Israeli nutjobs. If I ever were the leader of the Arab world, I'd take down Israel in less than a second. It's not so hard, all you need to do is to get rid of the Islamists and the rest of the religious nutjobs. I will make sure that any sheikh who calls for jihad on Iran or any other country I respect, I wll get rid of those sheikhs and be much worse than God to them. All sheikhs deserve to thrown out from their seats. Gotta keep Arabia clean. It's better to start using the oil-money on science than religion IMO. The Saudi-regime is spending lots of its oil-money/taxes on European hookers, mosques in Europe(What a waiste as Europe only benefits from this), weapon factory, etc. meanwhile about 70% Saudis in Saudi-Arabia don't have a home.
I'd personally bring back many brilliant people of Arab descent in America(People like Jerry Seinfeld, Mitch Daniels, Fawwaz T.Ulaby, Robert Kelly Slatter, Paul Anka, Mona Simpson, Teri Hatcher, Peter Lupus, Mostafa El-Sayed, Farouk El-Baz, Elias James Corey, Taher Elgamal, Michel T. Halbouty, Pat Danner, Wentworth Miller, Vic Tayback etc), and then there were many others like Steve Jobs, Bob Marely, Rosemary Barkett, Tige Andrews, and so on who are not alive anymore. I'd like these people back. Israel can have all the religious nutjobs and sheikhs. Or actually, they can go to Denmark instead were they belong.
Many Arabs still love Irans history, culture and people (Specialy the levantines-Arabs). Don't let Abdullah Al-Kalb fool them. Like Gadaffi once said, if it were not for the Arabs in the gulf, there would not be an America or even Israel today. https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYY_ws6axKo and neither will there be a war in Iran either.
Shalom!
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There was the illustrious general Lilienthal, a Jew of the United States army, who opposed very vehemently the creation of the state of Israel. He worked hard against it. But the imperial aims of the British Empire later incorporated in the greater Anglosaxon(+) empire, bulldozed every opposition and did away with any semblance of honourability in any state institution of the countries they have corrupted from inside and undone.
The world is imperilled. Those who still maintain a decorum and not catastrophic living standard grow fewer and fewer and will eventually be wiped. Every people can blame the Palestinians as much as they want for not conforming themselves to being wiped and genocided, but they must assume that that is the way all peoples in the world are bound to go. Only the imperials will survive and whatever human cattle they need for their amusement and pampering.
We all accepted that when we turned our backs on the Palestinians, happy that it was them not us, and turning away from them because they were such a bore with their eternal complaints. Damnation is the fate of cowards who not happy with not opposing oppression they go a step further and blame the oppressed. I will not cry for that kind of people. I will be sorry for myself and those people who may not have been heroes but at least have not spat on the oppressed but on those who have poured venegar on the victims, I feel no pity, I am sad that it may have gone to that, but I feel no pity, they are despicable. The good name of people is the last thing they have when they are no more. Those who destroy the good name of the Palestinian people make me sick. May be God will make them understand the hard way.
May God forgive us all.
Salaam