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Over it are 19????

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    Ali_Nasser
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    Is the correct translation of the verse in chapter 74 'Over it are 19' or 'over it are nine tens (90)'?

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      I've never heard of the latter, but I have not studied it.

      Here is something interesting to note

      It is claimed that in Quran 7530 "Upon it is nineteen" the "it" refers to Quran, but the Arabic for "it" is "ha" which is feminine, and the word "quran" as used in Quran itself is ALWAYS masculine. Thus the "it" cannot refer to Quran, it more correctly points to "saqar" in the verse which is a feminine.

      All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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        Then in that case, yes, it would refer to Saqar. However, what do you make of the following verse, when it says, 'WE HAVE NOT MADE THEIR NUMBER except to disturb the believers, strengthen the faith of faithful, convince christians & jews...', Mind you Wakas, I am not attempting to shove numerological propoganda down your throat haha! What could then standing over Saqar achieve what is said in the next verse?

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          I haven't studied it, so not sure.

          See
          http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=74&verse=31

          All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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            Noon_waalqalami
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            Is the correct translation of the verse in chapter 74 'Over it are 19' or 'over it are nine tens (90)'?

            Then in that case, yes, it would refer to Saqar. However, what do you make of the following verse, when it says, 'WE HAVE NOT MADE THEIR NUMBER except to disturb the believers, strengthen the faith of faithful, convince christians & jews...', Mind you Wakas, I am not attempting to shove numerological propoganda down your throat haha! What could then standing over Saqar achieve what is said in the next verse?

            Peace Ali -- it is witnessing the count of numerologists (only infatuation) that strengthens believers.

            7430 over her nonet ten (i.e. nineteen ?entities? or group and not the number)
            7431 and not made we owners the fire except angels and not made we count theirs except fit?natun/temptation to the those who non-believe/reject they

            666 fire of and fuel hers the humankind and the stone over her angels stern
            249 and the fifth that wrath the god over her if be he from the truthful

            The number 9 is written slightly different without ?? ending ?

            17101 and indeed gave we Moses nine signs
            3823 surely this one brother mine for him nine and ninetieth (i.e. 99) ewe/sheep

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