My PERSONAL conclusions about salaat (contact prayer)
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I am not competent to discuss or dispute those things, I simply follow what Dr. Rashad Khalifa PhD explained and taught about the Qur'an, because he said far too many excellent things and plenty valuable information about the Qur'an, much more then any other people I've listened from.
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And yes, I am familiar with your site and that article, thank you.God bless
Rashad Khalifa said himself that he wants people to disregard what he said/wrote if it is something that is not in line with the Quran.
You are a blind follower. Read this http//www.19.org/3058/rashadians/
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Peace Progressive.
I also follow RK.i.e Qoran ,nothing but Qoran. Why?
Simply because he was God's Messenger of the Covenant
Absolutely, we have revealed the reminder, and, absolutely, we will preserve it.
Such is God, your rightful Lord. What is there after the truth, except falsehood? How could you disregard all this?
God has blessed us with the knowledge of the proofs of His authorship of Qoran. Souls would either advance or regress with such knowledge. The ones who advance are those who would take God's proven words both seriously and literally for they value them the way they should be valued. They would fully comprehend and appreciate how God has designed and structured His final scripture in perfect Arabic. They would never underestimate what God says about His Qoran to be divinely preserved, easy to understand, straightforward except for allegories, complete, perfect, infallible, fully detailed, and consistent without any ambiguity or contradictions. They would distinguish the difference between truth and falsehood, divine and man-made. They know how deep, awesome, and glorious it is when God says He establishes the truth with His words. This fact instills reverence, humility, and a sense of certainty in their hearts.
You shall recite what is revealed to you of your Lord's scripture. Nothing shall abrogate His words, and you shall not find any other source beside it.
This source confirms what I believe and follow.
GOD bless you.
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As well as @good logic said,
so I say also to you @progressive1993, @Man of Faith and @Wakas
I accept teachings of Dr. Rashad Khalifa PhD because I consider him to be a messenger of God, since nobody has ever proved with arguments that he isn't, or couldn't be the messenger of God, up to date, until now.
I also think he didn't rely on dictionaries and speculative thought only, but had the revelation from God, too. Otherwise it could be like similar problem with gnostics in general they pursue the knowledge (gnosis) but are envious that no real revelation came to them personally.As I said, Mr Khalifa gave far too many important and valuable information and cleansed the Judaism, Xtianity and Islam from much unnecessary confusion and additions, and taught excellent things, not to mention that he is the modern founder of "Qur'an alone" and "God Alone" awareness from which all others are generated now.
I do not follow Dr. Khalifa or any other man, so I will not follow any other of you who might or might not have better or more true interpretations, explanations or stances.
I simply try to follow God, and I use tools and indications the messengers provide which are in accordance with my own reasoning and examination. May God guide me always!God bless you all.
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I accept teachings of Dr. Rashad Khalifa PhD because I consider him to be a messenger of God...
Seems to me this contradicts what you later said
I do not follow Dr. Khalifa...
In any case, if you had said this to begin with I wouldn't have replied to you.
...he is the modern founder of "Qur'an alone" and "God Alone" awareness from which all others are generated now.
This simply shows your ignorance. I recommend
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/Rethinking_Tradition_Modern_Islamic_Thought.htmBest of luck in your journey. Peace out.
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Best of luck in your journey. Peace out.
Thank you
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@God Submitter
You follow Rashad's hadith and sunnah. I suggest you (re-) read "Quran, Hadith, and Sunnah" and take a look at the link I gave you. "Quran and nothing buy the Quran" - not even Rashad Khalifa's hadith and sunnah.
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Thank you @progressive1993
I don't know any more...
Too many messengers or there is really something wrong with the Qur'an? )
Peacesun
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Peace Progressive.
we are totally free to side with God's absolute authority, or Satan's polytheistic views. An example of God's guidance for those who deserve guidance (Based on their own decision to accept God ALONE) is found in 2151
Before that, we granted Abraham his guidance and understanding, for we were fully aware of him.
In other words, God knew that Abraham was a good soul who deserves to be guided, and God granted him his guidance and understanding. But the first decision to seek God was that of Abraham. on his own free will. So, we are fully free to choose, either God or someone else. Because of this freedom we are responsible for our decision on the day of Judgment. We cannot blame our parents, friends, scholars, RK, links or anyone. We can only blame ourselves.
Because of this kind of freedom God never forces His religion on any body,
Had your Lord willed, all the people on earth would have believed. Do you want to force the people to become believers?
If God was to force people to believe or disbelieve he would not have asked them about their choices and He would never have punished some and rewarded others. God is Most Merciful.
For me siding with GOD s absolute authority is accepting HIS messenger confirmed by Qoran, not following "links" or otherwise.
Sometimes our "cleverness" which is a gift from GOD, can be our downfall?
Each and everyone of us is only responsible for his/her own salvation.
GOD bless you.
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Peace,
Or you believe without associating anyone with God. You have a decent testament to God's Message by the "Qur'an" or other hearsay. Service to God is not particularly difficult but in fact quite easy, for those that do not complicate the System.
God bless you
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Thank you very much to both of you @good logic and @Man of Faith for your replies and support.
I liked this very much
For me siding with GOD s absolute authority is accepting HIS messenger confirmed by Qoran, not following "links" or otherwise.
Sometimes our "cleverness" which is a gift from GOD, can be our downfall?
Each and everyone of us is only responsible for his/her own salvation.I still have a big problem with 5 times salat... it is so difficult to do it, specially when I work in the afternoon... and then, when I manage to perform it regularly sometimes, I feel great... but I also always have doubts whether Dr Rashad Khalifa would modify it had he lived longer because he might have had more insights... also culturally I am from a highly Western background and I tend to question the universality of Qur'an... as @Jafar somewhere wrote that the Qur'an is utterly irrelevant with its stories of admonitions to Jewish people and Bible references for Chinese and Japanese or Indian people, for example...
Actually, if we could make a hypothesis in an ideal, perfect situation, was it meant that all the believers and the ones destined to be saved, would ALL OF THEM perform the 5 times daily salat every day? In an ideal situation would we have singers, politicians and famous sportsmen stop their activities to perform the salat in the afternoon or at the sunset and wake up at dawn?
Is it incompatible for an important director of a huge bank or a CEO of some grand corporation who is at the same time totally devoted to God Alone and a perfect believer in his heart also, to perform the 5 daily salats?
Is it meant to be an either/or situation?
I confess I am utterly confused with this concept that God recommends us to put the 3 or 5 daily salat performance as a priority in our lives when it makes it so impractical, and, at the same time somewhere else in the Qur'an it states that religion wasn't meant to be a burden, or difficult for us... confused
God bless you all group
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Thank you very much to both of you @good logic and @Man of Faith for your replies and support.
I liked this very much
I still have a big problem with 5 times salat... it is so difficult to do it, specially when I work in the afternoon... and then, when I manage to perform it regularly sometimes, I feel great... but I also always have doubts whether Dr Rashad Khalifa would modify it had he lived longer because he might have had more insights... also culturally I am from a highly Western background and I tend to question the universality of Qur'an... as @Jafar somewhere wrote that the Qur'an is utterly irrelevant with its stories of admonitions to Jewish people and Bible references for Chinese and Japanese or Indian people, for example...Actually, if we could make a hypothesis in an ideal, perfect situation, was it meant that all the believers and the ones destined to be saved, would ALL OF THEM perform the 5 times daily salat every day? In an ideal situation would we have singers, politicians and famous sportsmen stop their activities to perform the salat in the afternoon or at the sunset and wake up at dawn?
Is it incompatible for an important director of a huge bank or a CEO of some grand corporation who is at the same time totally devoted to God Alone and a perfect believer in his heart also, to perform the 5 daily salats?
Is it meant to be an either/or situation?
I confess I am utterly confused with this concept that God recommends us to put the 3 or 5 daily salat performance as a priority in our lives when it makes it so impractical, and, at the same time somewhere else in the Qur'an it states that religion wasn't meant to be a burden, or difficult for us... confused
God bless you all group
sunI am not doubting that you should have a kind of communication with The Lord. You seek to establish a relationship with your Lord that the Almighty may see you good enough to let you into His domain. You seek to look good in the "eyes" of God and through the communication, or Communion as I put it, you get help with preventing immorality and you also gain Guidance. Inspiration and Guidance is a phenomenon slightly difficult to explain but it basically works like that you have a monolog with God and then your "wish", or what to say, will be inspired to you or your "timeline" will be affected. Do you stand on a mountain (example) and complain to God that you do not understand a word of "Quran" for an hour then you should not be surprised if you the next day suddenly have been taken to new heights and you poke your head and laugh that why you did not think about that before. It is an example of how God's inspiration works. And that is the way of how Salah works, and surely why you are supposed to know what you are saying doing this activity. You may simply say something unfitting while under influence of khamr and you look quite the fool in front of The Lord.
Communion, or salah, is placed during the beginning and end of the day for convenience and likely that you need the daylight hour to seek the bounty of your Lord for your "daily bread" and that you may struggle in the cause of God. But the communication can take place whenever you need to "talk" to God for some matter and that means any matter even if it is a very small issue.
But communication during daylight hours should also be carried out and it is regular salah but much like seeking God's Nearness and Guidance. "Improvised" salah may be performed, ie less focused, during such hours if you are in an inappropriate location and time that you simply call unto The Lord while driving or walking or whatever you are doing. This verse where such commands are deemed okay by God indirectly implies that a salah may be carried out in the day.
Moses walked into the shadows and communicated with his Lord and that was a salah and I doubt it was night during that moment as there was much more after that, ie that Moses was invited to his future stepfather.
And Moses seems to have carried out an improvised communication while traveling slightly before that in the narration, suggestion calling into The Lord may be depending on situation.
And sorry I did not have the verse numbers but browse for "two women" and you will find the narration. It was taking place at a watering place some time in the past.
I highly suggest that salah is not a brain-dead ritual but is quite functional at gaining Guidance as well as close proximity to The Lord. All these callings unto The Lord and talk what can they be if salah suggests connection, contact or communication?
God bless you
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peace man of faith
Although you didn't write your conclusion to your post, I assume you want to say that Salat is to be performed ALL THE TIME, is that so? Then what about the wudu (ablution), which is also mentioned in the Qur'an? )
Assuming/guessing could be a sin. Get your own conclusions, I don't give conclusions, for it is not on me to make the blind see.
but if this helps you in someway
let say that you want to begin praying now, and hold your excrement and your urine from coming out, and not stop until you fall death. then you will only have to do one ablution during the rest of your life.And also, would you be so kind as to tell me which translation do you use?
I listen to everything that is being said, and put my trust in the Most Merciful that he will make me follow the best of it.
May God protect me from submitting to anybody or anything else except Him, I do not submit to Dr Rashad Khalifa PhD, I consider him as a teacher and thru his explanations and translations I approached the Qur'an.
If prophet's Mohamed duty was only to deliver message is because god is the one who clarifies/explains it individually, and not through rasha kalifa, beacause if rashad kalifa is the clarifyer then those who live before him were lost.
mattew 2310And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ.
the Christ=Jesus son of Mary= word of God
now you know who should be your only teacher.
may God increase our knowledge and give us some wisdom.
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Peace Godsubmitter.
Keep your trust and loyalty to GOD Alone.
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Your Lord knows that you meditate during two-thirds of the night, or half of it, or one-third of it, and so do some of those who believed with you. God has designed the night and the day, and He knows that you cannot always do this. He has pardoned you. Instead, you shall read what you can of the Quran. He knows that some of you may be ill, others may be traveling in pursuit of God's provisions, and others may be striving in the cause of God. You shall read what you can of it, and observe the Salat, give the Zakat, and lend God a loan of righteousness. Whatever good you send ahead on behalf of your souls, you will find it at God far better and generously rewarded. And implore God for forgiveness. God is Forgiver, Most Merciful.The Lord knows each one of us inside out. Do what you can.
GOD bless you.
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Thank you for your kind answers gentlemen @Good logic, @Man of Faith and @wrkmmm
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When it comes to the Salat, as you mentioned, some of them say that it means a commitment/submission to God, and others say that to do Salat is simply to word righteous deeds.
Those who advocate such claims may sound convincing to innocent readers who may not be familiar with the Quran, but it can easily be shown that all such claims are in total violation of clear Quranic words.FIRST
Let us read the following Quranic verse, it will give us proof that Salat is a physical ritual and not just a commitment (to God).
"And if you are among them and you lead the Salat for them, let a group of them stand with you and let them hold on to their weapons. Then once they have prostrated let them be positioned behind you and let another group, who have not yet observed the Salat, observe the Salat with you while remaining cautious and while holding on to their weapons. Those who have disbelieved would dearly like you to be heedless of your weapons and goods in order to come down on you with one blow.You commit no error, if you are impeded by rain or you are ill, in putting down your weapons, so long as you remain cautious. God has prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating punishment." 4102The above Quranic words confirm a number of matters
1- The word Salat in 4102 cannot simply mean a commitment or working righteous deeds since the words in this verse speak of the Prophet (or leader) leading the Salat. How can the Prophet, or anyone leading the Salat, be leading a commitment to God? Or do we need someone to lead us in order to work righteous deeds?
2- The command in 4102 is for various groups of believers to stand with their arms while observing the Salat. Do we need to be armed to be committed to God to do work righteous deeds? Obviously not, but because the believers are observing a physical ritual which makes them vulnerable to attack from the enemy they would indeed need to hold on to their weapons.
3- The words in 4102 also say that while each group is observing the Salat with the Prophet (or leader of the Salat) that another group should stand behind them in order to provide protection. So if we substitute the word Salat here with commitment to God, or righteous deeds, then not only would the believers need to hold their arms while being committed to God, or working righteous deeds, but they would also need another group to guard them while they are doing so!
4- But that is not all, the words "Then once they have prostrated let them be positioned behind you and let another group, who have not yet observed the Salat, observe the Salat with you" would raise further questions. If we use the interpretation of Salat to mean commitment or righteous deeds, this would mean that the second group, who have not yet observed their Salat, have infact not committed to God yet and are waiting their turn to do so! Or they have not done righteous deeds and waiting their turn!
5- Does the act of being committed to God, or working righteous deeds need to be done in groups? Or does it need a leader? Obviously not, this again confirms that the Salat is a physical ritual which can be observed in congregation and under a leader who leads the Salat.
6- The words in 4102 go on to say that the disbelievers would dearly love to ambush the believers when they are not standing armed during their Salat. Once again this would make absolutely no sense whatsoever to say that disbelievers would love to ambush the believers while they are trying to be commited to God. Or do the disbelievers wait to catch believers in an act of doing a righteous deed to ambush them?
The above Quranic words make it very clear that the Salat is a very specific physical ritual and not merely a state of commitment to God nor working righteous deeds. But because it is a physical ritual, which involves bending and prostrating, it makes the believers vulnerable to attack from the enemy at times of war, thus they need to hold on to their weapons and also need a second group to guard them while they are praying.
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The Quran authorises three Salat and they are given three specific names, they are Salat Al-Fajr (Dawn prayer), Salat Al-Wusta (Middle prayer) and Salat Al-Isha (Night prayer). If Salat meant submission or commitment to God or working righteous deeds, why would we have three different names for commitment to God? And why would the names of these Salat be related to specific times of the day?
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"Salat is decreed for the believers at specific times? 4103
Besides the fact that the Quran decrees three Salat by name, we also read in 4103 that God decreed the Salat for the believers for specific times of the day.
Now to claim that Salat means to be committed to God or to work righteous deeds, then once again this would mean that God allows us to be in submission to Him, or to be righteous, only at specific times of the day! Does this make any sense? Surely commitment to God and righteousness are independent of the time of the day!
FOURTH"If you travel the land you commit no error by shortening your Salat if you fear that the disbelievers will try you. Surely, the disbelievers are your clear enemy." 4101
Once again if we assume that the Salat means submission to God or working righteous deeds, then this would mean that at times of fear from the enemy we should shorten our submission to God and our righteous deeds! Does this make any sense?
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The words in 56 instruct us to wash our faces and arms and wipe our heads and feet before observing the Salat. If we follow the interpretations they give for Salat we would have to say that we are not allowed to submit to God nor work righteous deeds unless we wash first! It would also mean that if we wish to be in continuous submission to God that we should wash non stop all day long! In reality, because Salat is a physical ritual which is designed for us to glorify God, then it makes sense to observe a form of physical purification before worshipping our Maker.
SIXTH"O you who believe, when the call for the Salat has been announced on Friday, you shall hasten to the commemoration of God, and drop all business. This is better for you, if you only knew." 629
Here we read about a call made for Salat on Friday, the following questions arise
- Does commitment, submission or working righteou deeds need a ?call? or announcement?
- Once again, should we submit to God as a group and always on Friday?
- The words in 629 state that the believers are to hasten to commemorate God when they hear the call, but the fact that they are believers would indicate that they are already submitters to God, so why would they need the call?
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"Do not utter your Salat too loudly, nor whisper it; but seek a path in between." 17110
Once again if Salat means submission to God, or working righteous deeds, then the question of using a loud voice or whispering would not be relevant. However the words advising the use of a moderate voice indicates that God is speaking about a ritual that is spoken and this confirms once again that the Salat is a physical ritual.
To conclude, all the above evidence confirm without any doubt that the Salat is a physical ritual with specific physical acts and not a mere state of submission to God or working righteous deeds.
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peace Babansif,
Thank you for your post. It contains some good points. However, I recommend pondering over the following reply to some of your points. Note, it does not say you are wrong, nor does it say you are right. Just points to consider
Re FIRST
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
e.g. salat either means X or Y - what if there are other options?I recommend this article for an analysis of 4102.
Re SECOND
The Quran does not use the name "Salat Al-Wusta", the Arabic is actually a description "al salat al wusta".Re SEVENTH
The translation of 17110 actually has other options, e.g. ...do not be too loud/public in/with your salat and nor quiet/private with/in it... -
Peace.
There are no named "salat" both are periods of time. "Salat" happens to be decreed at those times as well. The verse mentioning them is not dealing with "salat",but another issue.
"Ishaa" and "Fajr" are periods of time within the 24 hour day.
If GOD wanted to name "salat" He would have made salat the subject of the verse and named them all.
GOD has decreed salat at specific times and those times are periods of the 24 hour day.The verses that deal with salat as a subject clarify these times ., not verses that deal with other subjects.
GOD bless
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Actually, if we could make a hypothesis in an ideal, perfect situation, was it meant that all the believers and the ones destined to be saved, would ALL OF THEM perform the 5 times daily salat every day? In an ideal situation would we have singers, politicians and famous sportsmen stop their activities to perform the salat in the afternoon or at the sunset and wake up at dawn?
Is it incompatible for an important director of a huge bank or a CEO of some grand corporation who is at the same time totally devoted to God Alone and a perfect believer in his heart also, to perform the 5 daily salats?
Is it meant to be an either/or situation?
Peace,
We have reached the crux of the matter regarding salat, and that is the poison insidiously placed in the path of
worship of our creator. While salat is indeed fard The idea of 5 obligatory (fard) is the poison
that has created in the minds of many Muslim adherents that our glorious ritual worship must be performed
5 times a day no matter what, this point of view creates strategies of avoidance, frustration, exasperation,
confusion and scholarly endeavors by many Muslims to counter and expose the impracticality of the 5 ritual salat.The 5 daily salat are not obligatory (fard) but opportunities for worship and basically cover a 24 hour period given
to us for purification and rememberance. Salat is not impractical nor is the fast, the Hajj, or Zakat, but a benefit for
the people. Worship is personal and fits the needs of the people, therefore we are to worship when it is convenient.
and not to impress or to be seen as righteous.Please understand our Sustainer's overview
The month of Ramadhan in which was revealed the Qur'an, a guidance for the people and clear proofs
of guidance and criterion. So whoever sights the month, let him fast it; and whoever is ill or
on a journey - then an equal number of other days. Allah intends for you ease and does not intend for you
hardship and for you to complete the period and to glorify Allah for that which He has guided
you; and perhaps you will be grateful. 2/185Let us examine the subconscious effects that the word Fard has had on Islam (marriage, headscarf, etc.,)
God bless
peace
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Let us examine the subconscious effects that the word Fard has had on Islam (marriage, headscarf, etc.,)
If something is really 'fard' as per the quran, then it means that it is essential and necessary for us. It means that something 'fard' would be important to our spiritual selves like air or water is important for our bodies.
Traditionally though, 'fard' is all about guilt and pressure. "Do this fard thing, or God will be angry with you. You'll be judged and scrutinized so you better follow the script of what we, the religiously authoritarian men, say.". Traditionally, something 'fard' is 'fard' by convention, and not by nature.
Peace
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Peace.
If we do something to please/follow/...others ,yet we do not understand why/do not get anything from it/do not enjoy doing it/do not want to do it...etc.
In that case,we are not being honest with ourselves, deep down we are either frightened of others/under pressure from others /or plain hypocrites...To truly follow GOD is to be honest with ourselves, try to understand why and what we should do or do not do, enjoy what we do,persevere and change for the better. Nothing and no one should impose on us what we disagree with or dislike .
GOD is not forcing us, and He is capable of doing so. Why should we be forced by others?
Deep down ,if everybody realised that no creation of GOD has power over them, they will come to their senses and take responsibility
for their own life .Each one has his life,his time his works . We will meet our Creator as individuals, no one will intercede on our behalf!
Advising/ giving our opinions is all we can do.
Freedom of choice was given to everyone?GOD bless.
Peace
