17:93 and chapter 53:13 to 53:15
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Peace.
The verse 1793 states that Prophet didnt ascend to sky and the miraj hadiths are false stories, right? Then what is the incident mentioned in chapter 5313 to 15 ? Where is it happening ? Where is the Jannathul ma'wa/garden of refuge ?
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Peace.
The verse 1793 states that Prophet didnt ascend to sky and the miraj hadiths are false stories, right? Then what is the incident mentioned in chapter 5313 to 15 ? Where is it happening ? Where is the Jannathul ma'wa/garden of refuge ?
1793 has no relation with ascension.
The corporeal Journey far beyond the ascensions of Earthly Universe
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I'm not sure about chapter 53, as I haven't studied it, but here is my take on some chapter 17 content
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-masjid-al-haram-Quran.htmlPeace
About 171, i have read that the word 'laylan' does not represent the travel is in one night. If the travel was specifically in one night, then the word should have been 'laylatan'.The word 'laylan' only represents the time of the journey. It does not say that the journey took only one night. It was night time.
This leaves conclusions that 1) this journey was started at night and continued normal 2) the whole journey was done in night time avoiding daytime.
According to hadith sources, this chapter 17 was revealed just one year before Hijra. Thus it is clear that the Prophet had full of enemies at that time. To avoid them, the Prophet started the journey at night. We can see similar situation in the case of Moses in 4423. Moses was dealing with Pharoah and his soldiers. Allah commands to Moses to start journey at night time and warns soon they are to be pursued.
Allah made Prophet to start journey at night.So the enemies were uninformed.Probably the journey continued through night time on the coming days too until safety is reached. Thus Prophet visited the historical places and saw the signs of Allah around Masjidul Aqsa and nearby places. The historical places where the history of the former generations sleeps.
In 7626 too, we can see that 'laylan' does not represent only one night.In 715 too its not only one night(but its
seems like a phrase in 715 ?) The word 'laylatin' is used for a single night in 443 and in the chapter 97. But the word 'laylathan'is also used for 'nights' (not only one night) in verses such as 251,7142 etc. -
The verse 1793 states that Prophet didnt ascend to sky and the miraj hadiths are false stories, right? Then what is the incident mentioned in chapter 5313 to 15 ? Where is it happening ? Where is the Jannathul ma'wa/garden of refuge ?
The confusion about 5313-15 is over. There is no connection between 'miraj' and this chapter 53. According to the hadith sources, chapter 53 is revealed in the 5th year of prophethood (ie,in 615 C.E) and chapter 17 Isra is revealed in 11th year of prophethood (621.C.E). So even sunni scholars dont connect miraj with chapter 53. This chapter is about the descend of Gibreel. There is no ascension of Prophet here.
From the tafseer of sunni scholar Abdul Ala Maududi - Sidrah in Arabic means the lote-tree and muntaha the extreme edge or limit. Thus, literally, sidrat al-muntaha means "the lote-tree that is situated on the extreme edge or limit". " Jannat al-ma'va' literally means "the Jannat (Garden) that is to be an abode. " Hadrat Hasan Basri says that this is the same Jannat which the believers and righteous will be given in the Hereafter, and from this same verse he has argued that that Jannat is in the heavens. Ibn 'Abbas also says the same but adds that the Jannat to be granted to the believers in the Hereafter is not in the heavens but here on the earth.
PS - Like Always Bukhari & Co tried to fabricate hadith connecting this incident to Miraj. But even sunni scholars discarded it. The tafseer continues - A tradition of Hadrat Anas bin Malik which Imam Bukhari has cited in his Kitab at-Tauhid in connection with the event of the Mi'raj, on the authority of Sharik bin
Abdullah, contains words to the effect "When the Holy Prophet reached sidrat al-muntaha, Allah Almighty drew near him and hung suspended above him till there remained between the Holy Prophet and Him a distance equal to two bow-lengths or even Iess. Then, what Allah revealed to him included the Command for SO Prayers." But, besides the objections that Imam Khattabi, Hafiz lbn Hajar, Ibn Hazm and HafizAbdul Haq (author of Al-Jam' bain al-Sahihain) have raised in respect of the authenticity and subject-matter of this tradition, the main objection against it is that it clearly contradicts the Qur'an, for the Qur'an mentions two separate occasions when the experience of the vision took place, the first initially at the uppermost horizon to which reference has been made in Dane fa-tadalla, fa-kana qaba qausain-i au adna, and a second time near sidrat al muntaha. But this tradition mixes up the two occasions and presents them both as one occasion of the vision. Therefore, because of its being contradictory to the Qur'an, it cannot be acceptable in any case.Source- http//englishtafsir.com/Quran/53/index.html
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Peace Sameer Ameer.
Have you heard/read this version Quote
On the 27th night of Ramadan 13 B.H. (Before Hijerah), Muhammad the soul, the real person, not the body, was summoned to the highest universe and the Quran was given to him (297, 171, 443, 531-18, 971-5).
Subsequently, the angel Gabriel helped Muhammad release a few verses of the Quran at a time, from the soul to Muhammad's memory. The Prophet wrote down and memorized the verses just released into his mind.
The verses mentioned are
297
Say, "Anyone who opposes Gabriel should know that he has brought down this (Quran) into your heart, in accordance with God's will, confirming previous scriptures, and providing guidance and good news for the believers."171
Most glorified is the One who summoned His servant (Muhammad) during the night, from the Sacred Masjid (of Mecca) to the farthest place of prostration,* whose surroundings we have blessed, in order to show him some of our signs. He is the Hearer, the Seer.*171
The Aqsa Masjid'' meansthe farthest place where there is prostration,'' many billions of Light Years away. This verse informs us that Muhammad, the soul, was taken to the highest Heaven to be given the Quran (2185, 443, 531-18, & 971).443
We have sent it down in a blessed night, for we are to warn531
As the stars fell away.**531-18 Muhammad( soul only!) was summoned to the highest universe to receive this Quran into his heart. The stars fell away as he traveled through them at millions of times the speed of light.
Subsequently, the Quran was gradually released to his memory by Gabriel, dictated by the Most Powerful.532
Your friend (Muhammad) was not astray, nor was he deceived.533
Nor was he speaking out of a personal desire.534
It was divine inspiration.535
Dictated by the Most Powerful.536
Possessor of all authority. From His highest height.537
At the highest horizon.538
He drew nearer by moving down.539
Until He became as close as possible.5310
He then revealed to His servant what was to be revealed.5311
The mind never made up what it saw.5312
Are you doubting what he saw?5313
He saw him in another descent.5314
At the ultimate point.5315
Where the eternal Paradise is located.5316
The whole place was overwhelmed.5317
The eyes did not waver, nor go blind.5318
He saw great signs of his Lord.971
We revealed it in the Night of Destiny.**971 The Quran was placed into Muhammad's soul on the 27th night of Ramadan, 13 B.H. (Before Hijrah). See also 171, 443, 531-18.
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How awesome is the Night of Destiny!973
The Night of Destiny is better than a thousand months.974
The angels and the Spirit descend therein, by their Lord's leave, to carry out every command.975
Peaceful it is until the advent of the dawn.Another explanation to ponder?
GOD bless you.
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Peace on you too Good Logic,
The stars fell away as the Prophet's soul traveled through them at millions of times the speed of light ? So the stars got clashed with Prophet's soul at high velocity ?
Even sunni scholars agrees that there is no ascension of Prophet or his soul in chapter 53. Prophet saw Gibreel in the highest horizon. It was Gibreel who descended. Prophet was at earth.Pls see reply#4 for the rest.
There is no mention of taking soul in 171 ? And there is no mention of any ascension of Prophet or soul in 297, 443,971-5 ?And also 1793 negates the physical ascension of Prophet ?
The Prophet's soul has already ascended to the heavens before the Meccen mushriks asked the Prophet to ascend to the heavens ?Peace.
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Salaam
Don't play assumptions while we don't know the just and cause.
Quran is the wahy from God to Mohammed and we cannot inteprete it as we desired.Maybe some mufasser like Ibn Abbas is reliable, because he is Mohammed's relative and possibly get taugh by the Phrophet himself.
Ibn Abbas (cousin of Muhammad) said
Named Sidratul Muntaha , because the malayka's knowledge reached the limits in there. No one can get through, but the Prophet sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam. And narrated from Ibn Mas'ud radi 'anhu, that the so-called Sidratul Muntaha because all the decrees of God are down, the base of it and all who ride, ends there.
As Saidi also said similiar
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Named Sidratul Muntaha, because the tree is the culmination of everything that rises from the earth, and that God sent down, the base Sidratul Muntaha, either revelation or the other. It could also be interpreted as sidartul Muntaha is a creature known peaks. (more than that, the creature does not know), because this tree is above the heavens and bum
Like old phrase Wallahu'alam
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1793 has no relation with ascension.
The corporeal Journey far beyond the ascensions of Earthly Universe
NASA Finds that Space Flight Impacts Astronauts' Eyes and Vision**
"Space flights that last six months or longer can cause changes in astronauts' eyes and vision, according to a new study sponsored by NASA......The new study examined seven astronauts in depth and found eye structure and vision abnormalities in all of them. The most common structural change was flattening of the back of the eyeball. Changes in the retina, the light-sensitive area at the back of the eye, and the optic nerve were also found. In some astronauts these changes persisted long after their return to Earth
Allah the Exalted informs that it did not happen to His sincere allegiant during his ascending journey beyond the horizons of the Universe.
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/053.%20An%20Najam/53.17.gif
The Faculty of Vision did not decline, turn aside, or deviate from perceiving truth. And nor it bulged. -
Peace Sabeel Ameer.
I agree 53_2-12 are not about the ascension.They are about Gabriel releasing verses to the prophet for the first time.That carried on for a period during the prophet s life.
However 53_13-18 are about the ascension. Remember I saidMuhammad the soul, the real person, not the body, was summoned to the highest universe and the Quran was given to him (297, 171, 443, 531,13-18, 971-5).
GOD bless you.
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Peace Mazhar.
Are you sure you want a conversation with me again?
Only joking brother.
Some have also asked Where is " Mohammed " in the verses?
Whenever the prophet was receiving Qoran, Gabriel was at close proximity?
GOD bless you.
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Peace Mazhar.
Are you sure you want a conversation with me again?
Only joking brother.
Some have also asked Where is " Mohammed " in the verses?
Whenever the prophet was receiving Qoran, Gabriel was at close proximity?
GOD bless you.
Peace,
Those who say like this does not know abc of a language but are yet self proclaimed scholars. Nothing can be done about such pseudo scholars.
It is possessive phrase and third person masculine singular pronoun refers only to Allah the Exalted, We know no one is of Gabrail as.
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Peace Mazhar.
I am indeed surprised that you are still questioning how GOD inspires prophets?
I will let you read Qoran again, take your time and find out?
Remember "aouha" and " kllama" are not the same?
"Aouha" can be done through a mediator? "Kallama" can be direct?
When you are dealing with Qoran, expect surprises! Knowing a b c of the language can be useless sometimes?
GOD bless you.
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Peace Mazhar.
I had in mind. Well done for that.
Now reflect on you claimed for i.e that there was no Gabriel!
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Are you doubting what he saw?5313
He saw him in another descent.Do you also claim he saw "Allah"? Who did he see then?
GOD bless you.
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Peace Mazhar.
I had in mind. Well done for that.
Now reflect on you claimed for i.e that there was no Gabriel!
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Are you doubting what he saw?5313
He saw him in another descent.Do you also claim he saw "Allah"? Who did he see then?
GOD bless you.
Peace.Peace,
You seem to have not given time to reflect what I said about wahi and kalam.
Again you might not have quoted what you said in this post if you had focussed on the Arabic words and the type of sentences. Before this Ayah, the discourse was a narrative of an event of real life.
Now the discourse has a shift in timeline. It is present scenario and to rebut their wrangle again a reference is made to one time incidence that occured only once in the life of Messenger when he saw Gabrial descending from a certain location while he himself was at a higher location.
I am not trying to make you agree with me. I am simply trying that you understand my point based on analysis of words and sentences of Qur'aan.
Arabic is rather a scientific language and has precision and accuracy in the semblence of mathematical equations. We cannot be correct even in mathematics if we do not follow the rules and formulae. Similarly language has rules for encoding meanings and decoding meanings. It is naive to think that one can understand without knowing abc rules of language.
It seems that you have not yet opened the link given by me about physical ascension of the Messenger. Kindly read that and point out mistakes and omissions of my understanding.
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Peace Mazhar.
Please allow me to conclude,yet again,that you seem to always come back with more confusing points?
There is no such a thing as " Physical ascension", unless one travels in a space ship!!!!
Also, with humble respect, I find your link difficult to understand, confusing and contains many contradictions.
We most certainly differ in our understanding of Qoran and its message.
May the Lord guide us to His true path.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Mazhar.
Please allow me to conclude,yet again,that you seem to always come back with more confusing points?
There is no such a thing as " Physical ascension", unless one travels in a space ship!!!!
Also, with humble respect, I find your link difficult to understand, confusing and contains many contradictions.
We most certainly differ in our understanding of Qoran and its message.
May the Lord guide us to His true path.
GOD bless you.
Peace.The Lord has told plainly that He guides through the Qur'aan. So the guidance is to accept the words of Qur'aan as they are, and not to make them what we know today or wish to maintain. If people of 150 years back had thought on your pattern they might have declared some Ayahs of Qur'aan as false which speak of moving into the upper space of sky.
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Peace Mazhar.
Brother, you are deviating! I asked who did he see? You talk about a "shift in time line"!!!
I am aware of that. Are you aware that he "saw" both times"? i.e He also saw before the shift in "time line", So who is not accepting?
Let me tell you a story of what your logic sounds like
A Scientist cut the legs of a frog. He then asked the frog to jump. When the frog did not jump,he concluded that the frog is deaf?
It seems to me that what you do with Qoran?
Anyway, GOD bless you ,brother.
Peace.
