What is Islam?
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Oh.. I see.. so your attitudes on this forum are your practices from your own saying.
That's why I'm asking you . . since it is so obvious that you know more about the Quran . . and maybe I am wrong in my opinion.
Therefore, what is the lesson from the Quran? . . . and what is peace, according to the Quran ?
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That's why I'm asking you . . since it is so obvious that you know more about the Quran . . and maybe I am wrong in my opinion.
Therefore, what is the lesson from the Quran? . . . and what is peace, according to the Quran ?
If you really want to know, you can beg to Allah to teach you.
Allah is my Lord and your Lord.
I think only Allah Who can teach you. I can't.
To make you understand is beyond my ability.
Peace.
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If you really want to know, you can beg to Allah to teach you.
Allah is my Lord and your Lord.
I think only Allah who can teach you. I can't.
To make you understand is beyond my ability. )
You are reminding people and claiming that people are wrong
but when people ask for an explanation as to why they are wrongyou can't explain and be responsible for your own statement ?
Do you know what that makes you?
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You are reminding people and claiming that people are wrong
but when people ask for an explanation as to why they are wrongyou can't explain and be responsible for your own statement ?
What that makes you ?
Yes, for your case I can't, because I don't trust you.
Peace.
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See? another irresponsible statement . . which of course, you cannot take the responsibility to account for any of them. Hypocrite. . .
Insha Allah, someday Allah will judge between us related this matter.
I believe Allah is fully aware of our works.
Peace.
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Insha Allah, someday Allah will judge between us related this matter.
I believe Allah is fully aware of our works.
What matter ? Supporting the killing of Ahmadiyya on the issue of sectarianism ? The killing of 1 million of Papuan natives etc ?
Allah is my Lord and your Lord.
By the way, you misunderstood the ayat. . that one is for the "hablum minallah", but not in relation to the "hablum minannas". .
and . .my Lord is not your Lord, and your Lord is not my Lord . . .
absolutely not the same , if you are able to understand what I mean. . .. . .
You will not find a people who believe in Allah and the Last Day
having affection for those who oppose Allah and His Messenger
even if they were
their fathers
or their sons
or their brothers
or their kindred
Those - He has decreed within their hearts faith and supported them with spirit from Him
And We will admit them to gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they abide eternally
Allah is pleased with them, and they are pleased with Him - those are the party of Allah .
Unquestionably, the party of Allah - they are the successful.
58.22Allah would not leave the believers in that you are in
until He separates the evil from the good
Nor would Allah reveal to you the unseen
But , Allah chooses of His messengers whom He wills
so believe in Allah and His messengers
And if you believe and fear Him, then for you is a great reward
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What matter ? Supporting the killing of Ahmadiyya on the issue of sectarianism ? The killing of 1 million of Papuan natives etc ?
Berbicara dengan anda kok sepertinya tidak ada selesainya ya...
Sudah dulu ya. ) Silakan saja kalau mau menuduh saya hypocrite.
Peace.
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Salaam
Another self contradicting statement ? or. . you mean to say "muslims who kill muslims (from the same sect) like in the Aceh case"
I mean, death sentece is permisable if the muslims do apostasy,
But in the Aceh case, the killings in there is not in the name of Allah but for political reason
Such kind of killing is haramI believe they make the syahada, pray to the same Allah, fasting, pay zakat . . go to hajj and teach righteousness etc. (refer here). They are muslim as the majority called themselves a Muslim.
There're many heretic muslims during caliphate eras who corrupted Islamic teaching and most of them get punished
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"...WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND ABOUT PEACE AND PLANNED TO TAKE OUT THIS LAND JUST LIKE THEY DID IN SINGAPORE AND THAILAND..."
The less than 1% minority want to take over the Indonesia country, just what they did in Singapore and Thailand.
The contention is very sound and logic.
Great Fallacy!!!
To take control of the land, the quality is needed not the quantity.
White minority in South Africa and Zimbabwe capable to take control of the country during the apartheid era.
Their count only few percents in the population1%?? From where the data you get?? wikipedia?? rotfl
If you want to know the fact, some of Chinese in here disguised as non-chinese because their trauma of New Order's policy.
And some of them until now still refused to be labeled as China or Tionghoa and started to used non-chinese namesThis also happens during 2000 cencus, most of Chinese at time still go outside country and some of them still refused to be acknowledged as chinese.
I ever heard the a Christian Chinese family in Medan disguised themself as Minasahan ethnic and adopted Minahasan surnames during that eraAccording 1930 cencus during the Dutch occupation, the chinese is only 2,30%, and most of them concentrated in Java, Sumatra and Kalemantan/Borneo.
But after the new influx of immigrations for long times, and when the chinese start to became honest to expose their identity
THUS the shocking fact is they're 12 million!!! in 2014 census.
And still...... they're mostly concentrated in western part of Indonesia (Sumatra, Java, Borneo and Greater Riau Islands)If you think chinese in Indonesia, Malaysia and other SEA countries don't related each other, then you are wrong
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboo_network
This is the good article about Chinese hegemony in Indonesia (both economy and politically)
http//radennuh.org/2014/02/20/setelah-hegemoni-ekonomi-kini-saatnya-etnis-cina-berkuasa-penuh-di-ri/
I do businnes with some Chinese and I already realized this from the start.I ever go to a chinese party and I found many chinese who speak Mandarin, then I know if they're chinese foreigners (can be from Malaysia or Singapore).
Please open your eyes!!! it's not about dumb nationalities, but for how we behold the balance between chinese hegemony and our identity as muslims.
Simple rules, two sides, if one side is down the other side will raised
http//www.fkpmaritim.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/KonflikLautChinaSelatan2.png
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Please open your eyes!!! it's not about dumb nationalities, but for how we behold the balance between chinese hegemony and our identity as muslims.
How many countries have the Chinese taken over ?
You are just being a sectarian, lazy and jealous because of their success . .
and you don't believe the Quran. . that success is for the Believers . .That's why you came up with so many speculations and blank accusations. .
end result, killed, raped and burned people alive.The point of discussion from the Papuan issue, Timor Leste, Acheh, Christian and Chinese minorities etc is. . .
Religious tolerance and freedom under threat in Indonesia. .
Their way of living has nothing to do with Islam, but it is fanaticism, religionism, racism, nationalism and sectarianism etc.And of the people are some who say,
"We believe in Allah and the Last Day,"
but they are not believers.
They deceive Allah and those who believe
but they deceive not except themselves and perceive not
In their hearts is disease
so Allah has increased their disease
and for them is a painful punishment because they used to lie
And when it is said to them,
"Do not cause corruption on the earth,"
they say, "We are but reformers." <- eg. for the cause of Religion of Islam
Unquestionably, it is they who are the corrupters, but they perceive not. <- eg. killed and burned people alive
28-12With or without religion
you would have good people doing good things and
evil people doing evil things
But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. . .
The degree (balance) might be different but generally, yes. . because their Lord is the same as your Lord. . . same religion , ie. sectarianism, bigotism, fanaticism, religionism.
Malaysia Anti Chinese Hegemony https//www.facebook.com/groups/1380332535520744/
Indonesia Anti Chinese Hegemony https//www.facebook.com/pages/GERAKAN-ANTI-CINA-INDONESIA/668588393179798
ASEAN Anti Chinese Hegemony https//www.facebook.com/pages/ANTI-Communist-China/324227311005137
do not be of those who associate others with Allah
of those who have divided their way of life and become sects
every faction rejoicing in what it has
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I mean, death sentece is permisable if the muslims do apostasy,
They are apostasy simply because they believe Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is the Imam Mahdi ? rotfl
Although the central values of Islam (prayer, charity, fasting, etc.) and the six articles of belief of Ahmadis are identical to those of mainstream Sunni Muslims and central to Ahmadi belief, distinct Ahmadiyya beliefs include the following
How about the Quranist, RK's followers and hadith rejectors in this forum ?
Do they deserve to be killed like animals for apostasy ? (in fact, worst than animals)
Deserve to be killed like the following Ahmadiyyah ?
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=es-p5OHTSxkLet see who are the hypocrite. . . laugh
Ahmadiya deserved it, because their mockery toward God's teaching.
The purpose of punishment is to prevent Ahmadiya, before they go further for corrupting GOD's teaching.
This is the hadith said.Murtad and raddad according to hadith, the punishment is death sentence.
What they did ?
Christian and all religions are also mocking God's teaching . .
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You are just being a sectarian, lazy and jealous because of their success . .
and you don't believe the Quran. . that success is for the Believers . .So that kind of Chinese is the believer??
do not be of those who associate others with Allah
of those who have divided their way of life and become sects
every faction rejoicing in what it has
3031So you started to hijack Quranic verses
Quran is your Scritupre and the hadith is your own brain??They are apostasy simply because they believe Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is the Imam Mahdi ? rotfl
It's like Mohammed cut the hand of a thief, just because he stole one penny rotfl -X
end result, killed, raped and burned people alive
irrelevant issue and please re-read my post about it!!
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It's like Mohammed cut the hand of a thief, just because he stole one penny rotfl -X
See? another BS, and no proper methodology from the Islamic Jurisprudence . . . as always.
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and why are you ignoring this question ?
How about the Quranist, RK's followers and hadith rejectors in this forum ?
Do they deserve to be killed like animals for apostasy ? (in fact, worst than animals)
Deserve to be killed like the following Ahmadiyyah ?
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=es-p5OHTSxkAhmadiya deserved it, because their mockery toward God's teaching.
The purpose of punishment is to prevent Ahmadiya, before they go further for corrupting GOD's teaching.
This is the hadith said.Murtad and raddad according to hadith, the punishment is death sentence.
hypocrite ?
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as always, blank accusations and blank denials of the Quran , BS . .
Because this is the fact and clear evidences ;D
You also avoid many parametersSee? another BS, and no proper methodology from the Islamic Jurisprudence . . . as always.
It's you who don't understand what MH Kamali wrote....
In the fact MH Kamali is not a heretic and he just repeat what the previous ulema said in the easy format.and why are you ignoring this question ?
I'm not ignoring instead I already answered it
Hypocrite?? Please learn your hadith again and how reliable sahabat give punishment to that kind of peopleThe step is like this
- The muslims will give the ultimatum to Ahmadiya to repent
And this already did by Moslem NGOs by ask Ahmadiya follower to stop their activities and go back to straight path
This ultimatum is called "Surat Keputusan Bersama" and one of point said "Ahmadiya will allowed to keep their activities as long as they don't label themself as Islam"
But Ahmadiya refused instead they keep practice their teaching and even dare to started recruiting the new followers.
If you follow hadith which is written not your brain, then you will now if their blood is halal.
Salaam
- The muslims will give the ultimatum to Ahmadiya to repent
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I'm not ignoring instead I already answered it
See ? It is so easy to prove that you are lying. . . rotfl
So as your other statement is BS , and that's why you can never refer to which part that you did not agree.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg349667#msg349667
because you are lying, so as lying to yourself. .
from a Sunni, becoming a Mu'tazilite, the a Quranist, an Atheist, an Agonistic . . bla. . bla. . bla. and back to Sunni. . . what else after this? laugh. . .
I'm not ignoring instead The step is like this
and again. . you divert to another issue . . .
I'm asking about the "Quranist, RK's followers and hadith rejectors in this forum"
not about the Ahmadiyya. . .
Do you know how to read ? . . or you have a blind heart ?Here is the question , again . . .
How about the Quranist, RK's followers and hadith rejectors in this forum ?
Do they deserve to be killed like animals for apostasy ? (in fact, worst than animals)
Deserve to be killed like the following Ahmadiyyah ?
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=es-p5OHTSxkAhmadiya deserved it, because their mockery toward God's teaching.
The purpose of punishment is to prevent Ahmadiya, before they go further for corrupting GOD's teaching.
This is the hadith said.Murtad and raddad according to hadith, the punishment is death sentence.
and remember . . . the Saudi Arabia has already issued the fatwa in 1980s, so as other countries . . .
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See ? It is so easy to prove that you are lying. . . rotfl
So as your other statement is BS , and that's why you can never refer to which part that you did not agree.
BS....
You just play dumb ;D, I even already posting the dalil both from QUran and hadith
Search yourself in previous pages,I'm asking about the "Quranist, RK's followers and hadith rejectors in this forum", not about the Ahmadiyya. . .
They're same with the Ahmadiya >D
and remember . . . the Saudi Arabia have already issued the fatwa in 1980s. . .
Saudi is a Wahabi and perhaps Saudi polis will slaughter the Ahmadiyas even withouth notice