The Quran was sent down in the 4th Century?
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Salam,
Peace Virtueorvice.
"Isa was born like all the other humans combination of a male and female gamete- which means Isa has a biological father and mother like every other human being on this planet".
How about
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She said, "How can I have a son, when no man has touched me; I have never been unchaste."There was no male combination?
GOD bless you.
Peace.1920 She said, "How can I have a son when no man has ever (intimately) touched me? For, never have I been a loose woman!?
1921 The angel answered Thus it is - Your Lord says, ?It is easy for Me, so that We make him a symbol for people and a grace from Us. And it is a thing decreed.?OK! Maryam wasn't unchaste; after some time she found a husband and married him and bore a child. Only they were living away from their original community.
The Qur'an doesn't say the Isa was born out of a virgin, it only narrates the declaration of the news of a son (Isa) to Maryam!
Consider this
Someone tells a female that she will have a daughter. The female exclaims that she is not dating someone and has no man in her life. After some years the female bears a daughter- so, should we consider that she was a virgin or that she dated some guy, married him and then get impregnated?!
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Peace,
First we need to define "miracle"
Definition of miracle (n)
Bing Dictionary
mir?a?cle1.act of God an event that appears to be contrary to the laws of nature and is regarded as an act of God
2.amazing event an event or action that is amazing, extraordinary, or unexpected
3.marvelous example something admired as a marvelous creation or example of a particular type of science or skill
definition #1. act of God an event that appears to be contrary to the laws of nature and is regarded as an act of God
Applying definition #1 qualifies both Adam and Jesus both as miracles
Adam had no mother or father while Jesus had no father. Both created without sexual intercourse.
God bless
peace
Peace Brother hawk99,
Explicit explanation.
Peace Bro vov,
No offence but are you clear now?
ALLAH BLESS US ALL pr
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Peace Virtueorvice.
Not only Mary had a virgin birth, there were few other " miracles" in this version!!!
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The angels said, "O Mary, God gives you good news a Word from Him whose name is `The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary. He will be prominent in this life and in the Hereafter, and one of those closest to Me.'346
"He will speak to the people from the crib, as well as an adult; he will be one of the righteous."347
She said, "My Lord, how can I have a son, when no man has touched me?" He said, "God thus creates whatever He wills. To have anything done, He simply says to it, `Be,' and it is.348
"He will teach him the scripture, wisdom, the Torah, and the Gospel."349
As a messenger to the Children of Israel "I come to you with a sign from your Lord - I create for you from clay the shape of a bird, then I blow into it, and it becomes a live bird by God's leave. I restore vision to the blind, heal the leprous, and I revive the dead by God's leave. I can tell you what you eat, and what you store in your homes. This should be a proof for you, if you are believers.GOD s Science is much more advanced than ours?
GOD bless you.
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This is a reply to the Virgin Birth Myth I paste here from another forum
You may want to read this about how Allah creates and the virgin birth fairy tale copied from the deviant Christian belief which was copied from the deviant pagans. We Muslims did a lot of copying; when and how this happened is a matter for history but thankfully we have the pure Quran to judge what is wrong with our beliefs and remove them.
BE Kun Fayakoon
There are fewer words smaller than this one, and you would expect that it is an easy task to work out its meaning, but it is so misunderstood by some Muslims that it beggars belief! If they cannot get this right, then what about three or more syllable words? Oops! Failed on them as well!
If you are thinking that all Allah has to say is Be and it happens, then read and learn what the whole Qur'an has to say on this minutiae word. Allah said man should be created and he popped up, naked and fully formed, just like that, Jesus popped into existence, hallelujah! This pulling of a rabbit out of a hat does not happen like this so now I must prove it.
Allah creates in the realm of the uncreated and this is manifested in the created universe but He does not change a law by way of miracles etc but uses what is in the universe, which He created, to fullfil this plan. NO MIRACLES.
634 messengers before you, were denied and opposed. They steadfastly faced persecution until Our help reached them. There is none to alter the decisions, Laws and Words of God. Some history of the messengers has already come to you and sets examples for you.
635 If their turning aside is troublesome for you, then if you were able to dig a tunnel in the ground, or climbed a ladder to the sky and brought them a miracle (they still would not believe). If it were Gods Will, He could assemble them together unto true Guidance. So, do not be among those who are swayed by ignorance (about free will given to humans).
636 Only those can accept the Truth who hear and listen with an open mind (10100). The living dead will only hear when God raises them (to use their faculties (2260), or when God will raise them to the second life. Ultimately, unto Him they be returned.
637 They say, If only a miracle could come down to him from his Lord! Say, God surely has the Power to send down a miracle, but most of them do not use their knowledge.
Now a normal translation of a miraculous BE event-
In Surah 3 verses 43-47, Yusuf Ali states-
- Behold! The angels said "O Mary! Allah has chosen you and purified you; chosen you above the women of all nations.
- "O Mary! Worship Your Lord devoutly Prostrate yourself, and bow down with those who bow down."
- This is part of the tidings of the things unseen, which We reveal to you (O Messenger) by inspiration You were not with them when they cast lots with arrows, as to which of them should be charged with the care of Mary Nor were you with them when they disputed (the point).
- When the angels said; O Mary! Allah gives you glad tidings of a word from Him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and in the hereafter, and one of those brought near (to Allah).
- He will speak to mankind in his cradle and in his manhood, and he is of the righteous. She said; O my Sustainer! How can I have a son when no man has ever touched me? (The angel) answered Thus it is Allah creates what He wills when He wills a thing to be, He but says unto it, Beand it is.
So where else does the Qur'an use this word-
2117 The Originator of the heavens and earth when He wills a thing to be, He but says to it Be and it is.
2118 Only those who fail to explore the realm of knowledge say, Why does God not speak to us directly, nor is a miracle shown to us? Even thus, as they now speak, spoke those who lived before their times. Their ways of thinking, their hearts and minds are all alike (untouched by the passage of time). We have made clear all the Signs for those who wish to attain conviction
673 And He is the One Who has created the heavens and earth with a definite purpose. Whenever He says Be! it is. His Word is the truth. And His will be the Dominion on the Day the Trumpet (of Resurrection) is blown. Knower of the Invisible and the Visible, for, He is the Wise, the Aware.
1638 They most strongly swear by God that He will not raise the dead. Nay, but it is a promise binding upon Him in truth, but most people do not make use of whatever they know.
1639 He will then make them understand wherein they differed, and the rejecters will realize that they were liars.
1640 Whenever We will anything to be, We say to it Our Word, Be and it is.
1641 Those who emigrate in the cause of God because they were oppressed, We shall give them good lodging in the world, and the reward of the Hereafter is greater, if they but knew.
1642 They have been steadfast, and have put their trust in their Sustainer.
3679 Say, He Who brought them into being in the first instance, will revive them again. He is the Profound Knower of all creation.
3680 (The same Creator) Who produces for you fire out of the green tree, so that you kindle from it.
3681 Is not He Who created the heavens and earth Able to create the like of them? Yes indeed! For, He is the Creator, Knower of all acts of creation.
3682 When He intends a thing, His only command to it is Be and it is.
3683 Glorified is He in Whose Hand rests the Mighty Dominion over all things, and to Him you will be brought back.
4070 Those who reject the Book (Al-Quran), are in fact, denying all revelations with which We sent Our Messenger. But, in time they will come to know (what they had denied.)
4071 When they will have shackles around their necks, and the chains (of their own making), they will be dragged along,
4072 Into the boiling fluid (as they were floating from desire to desire), and, then, they are cast into the fire (of their own making).
4073 And then, they will be asked, "Where are those whom you made partners,
4074 Besides God?" They will groan, "They have failed us miserably. Nay, rather, we were calling upon what never existed. This is how God leaves to stray, those who deny the truth.
4075 This is because in your life on the earth you used to take delight in what was not True, and roamed about haughtily with your false doctrines.
4076 Enter the gates of Hell to abide therein. What a miserable abode for the arrogant!
Read these verses. It is stating that Allah is the originator of all that is in the universe. He created the heavens and earth and made us from sperm and the ovum. But the observation by astronomers that the Universe is still undergoing change by way of expansion and the formation of suns and planets out of interstellar gases shows that Allah did not create it all in one single and completed step but allowed for its creation AND development. This is confirmed in the Qur'an which describes the universe being created from a process resembling the "big bang theory" and then the long process where the original matter was smoke or particles which coalesced to form the stars and planets.
2130 Are the disbelievers not aware that the heavens and earth used to be one solid mass and We exploded them asunder? And that out of water We made every living thing? Will they not, then, acknowledge the truth?
4111 Likewise, He is the One Who designed well the Sky when it was Smoke (Nebulae of gas). And He said to it and the earth, "Come both of you willingly or unwillingly." They said, "We do come, obedient."
Why not create the whole universe in one single step? Why the development in stages? If Allah did all this in the way He has said and how science has proved it happened, then the same can be said for the creation and evolution of life and the ultimate pinnacle of this process, Mankind (well some of us!). Be has to be understood in this way and not in the way it has been corrupted by scholars who have other agendas. Be is not an unnatural act, but a natural process for something to happen.
In the following verse, Yusuf Ali has translated it in a way to show that Allah has impregnated all the females in earth-
Surah 2 verse 228 (Y. Ali)
Divorced women shall wait concerning themselves for three monthly periods. Nor is it lawful for them to hide what Allah has created in their wombs,Only a those from Tablighi Jamaat are going to believe this is true! Instead, common sense and a little gynaecology tell us that we men have a part to play! So when faced with a verse or word that looks problematic to interpret and understand, use your head and think.
Does the Qur'an contradict itself? As you know, or should know, the Qur'an will not say something in one place and contradict this in another. So read the following-
BE IN THE QURAN
673 And He is the One Who has created the heavens and earth with a definite purpose. Whenever He says Be! it is. His Word is the truth. And His will be the Dominion on the Day the Trumpet (of Resurrection) is blown. Knower of the Invisible and the Visible, for, He is the Wise, the Aware.
Whenever Allah gives a Command, His instructions are fulfilled. If you think the whole of the universe was created in its present state, fully completed earth, Sun, stars etc, then read what Be actually involves-
2130 Are the disbelievers not aware that the heavens and earth used to be one solid mass and We exploded them asunder? And that out of water We made every living thing? Will they not, then, acknowledge the truth?
A process is set in motion so that it was created and went through an evolving stages; so when Allah said Mary will have a child, this meant she will marry and have one, not that He will put it in her!!
EVERYTHING IN PAIRS
3511 (Recall your common humble origin.) God created you from dust, then from male and female gametes, and then He makes you pairs. And no female becomes pregnant, nor gives birth without His knowledge (according to His appointed science, without exceptions). No one lives long, and no one lives short, but by His Law. Indeed, all this is easy for God.
3636 Glory to Him Who has created pairs of everything that the earth grows, and of themselves, and of things they have no knowledge yet.
4211 Originator of the heavens and the earth! He has given you mates of your own kind; and mates among the cattle. By this means He multiplies you (creation). However, there is nothing whatsoever like unto Him. And He is the Hearer, the Seer.
4913 O Mankind! Indeed, We have created you male and female, and have made you nations and tribes so that you might (affectionately) come to know one another. Surely, the most honoured among you, in the Sight of God, is the one who is best in conduct. Indeed, God is Knower, Aware.
5148 And We have spread out the earth, and how excellent a Spreader We are!
5149 And all things We created in pairs and in opposites (such that one complements the other), so that you may reflect.
5345 And that He it is Who creates the two companions, the male and the female (pairs and opposites among His creation),
5346 From gametes that unite.Pairs, mates, you do not need Grays Anatomy to work this one out! Here Allah confirms that all human beings are born from the union of pairs, male and female. If you take the meaning that Jesus did not have a natural father then you are, may Allah forgive you, contradicting what Allah has said in these verses!
Mrs God?
6101 Wonderful Originator of the heavens and the earth; HOW CAN HE HAVE A SON WHEN HE NEVER CHOSE FOR HIMSELF A MATE? He creates all things (and does not procreate 1123.) and He is the Profound Knower of all things and events.
How can Allah have a son when He has no wife? The question is so absurd that we Muslims laugh at the thought of a Mrs God sitting next to Allah (or the blasphemous notion, however much the Christians want to wriggle with words and meanings, of Mary being the mother of God!)! IF ALLAH SAYS THAT HE CANNOT HAVE A SON BECAUSE HE HAS NO WIFE, THEN HOW CAN A WOMAN HAVE A SON WITHOUT A HUSBAND? Believe and follow the truth and it will be for the good of your own soul; or continue in ignorance and blindness and you will have a very hot future in Hellfire.
THE ULTIMATE CRITERION
Surah 112
Say He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begets not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him.Allah does not beget, He does not impregnate earthly females like the gods of Greece or Rome etc are said to do! Do not try to imagine what Allah is, you can never do so.
Read the whole of the Qur'an with a clean mind to get the complete picture; anything else is SHIRK.
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Peace Virtueorvice.
You know what the next question is
How was the first human/s( in case of two,a man and woman)created?
By the way ,many of the verses quoted there are out of context! Every creation is a miracle to us because we have not witnessed any of it.
GOD bless you.
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Existence is in itself a miracle. What kind of miracle can one expect after that. And agree that the Qur'an does not uphold "miracles" but God's power to do anything He wills.
The question about Maryam is indeed that there is nothing in the Qur'an that says such a thing as that she became a mother while being a virgin. And I agree that the kun ga yakun does not hint at any virginity at all. All people are born because God says kun. Anything that exists it is because God says kun. The greatest argument put forth by the virginists is that she says how is she going to have child when she knows no male. If the text had said that she gave birth next day e might have thought about a prodigy, but the text does not say so nor points to anything out of the ordinary. It does not give any delays as to the interval between one thing and another just as it does in so many Qur'an narrations.
Indeed, it is the christian doctrine that is inset in the Qur'an and gives a weird turn to the Qur'an narration that doe snot point itself to anything out of the natural order. It is like inthe old days or even today anongst some people that some man thought he was going to marry this girl and suddenly whe changes her mind and goes into a convent. The same thing but the othe rway around, Maryam leaves the convent and becomes a mother, but the man is unknown and nothing is said about it or how it happened. Instead we have a single mother as so many single mothers there has been and there are in the history of humanity. Of course, being a single mother and being pointed at is not as rosy as a virgin birth in a manger with a cow and a donkey and the angels and a surrogate father and the shpherds. Nothing rosy in the narration of Maryam motherhood in the Qur'an. Where dis she get it? God does not want us to know. We do not need to know, we need to know Maryam, prophet Maryam, who brought the message no male could have brought.
Salaam
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Peace with you all, sun
I'm following this very interesting topic and thanks for good thoughts about.
I don't think that Gods' Law contradict Marys' pregnancy. In the nature you will find plants and animals that reproduce with parthenogenesis. By human this process is very difficult to happen but there are scientific researches on this field; few women in England reported pregnancy without sexual intercourse. There are also few cases in some other countries to find also.God know the best!
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Salam
Thank you brother huruf for your logical input!
Unless we don't establish that Jesus of Christianity and Isa of the Qur'an are two different persons, we cannot settle the matter. Virgin birth is an ancient myth and contradicts the Qur'an.
Good Logic,
I believe the first humans evolved (from lower, less developed creatures) driven by biological processes and genetic information present in all living things. There are evidences out there that before homo sapiens (modern humans) other species existed that resembled us in many aspects.
When we have the beautiful science to explain the Qur'an, why should we rush to mullah-sponsored interpretations (of 1000 years ago) that only distort the message and present a backward and stupid picture of the Qur'an?
As the main theme of this thread suggests, there are many things wrong with our current understanding of the of the Qur'an, the History of Islam and the Biblical events.
We need to keep an open mind and try to apply the best possible explanation that doesn't contradict the established scientific facts.
Birdy,
the Qur'an says that everything has been created in pairs
267 Have they never considered the earth, how many noble things of all kind We have made to grow in it in pairs?
4312 And He is the One Who has created all things in pairs...
so, even if those women had no intercourse (or other asexual processes in other organisms) still an egg needs an sperm to be fertilized.
Do you think Allah has fertilized Maryam?! If so, then Allah is contradicting Himself when He says He has never adopted for Himself a son nor has He taken for Himself a mate.
If Allah has not fertilized Maryam, then, a man must have done so! Is this simpler to accept or going through the mythical belief of virgin birth?!
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Enlighten my ignorance, Mr virtueorvice@ and miss huruf@
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What is the name of Jesus' father (according to the Quran)?
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Why is it that GOD attributes Jesus to his mother (ie. Son of Mary) but NEVER gives mention of a father (as you wish to imply)?
Bring your proof (from the self-contained Scripture) if ye are indeed truthful.
& PLEASE! No more wishful thinking.
SLM
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Why should a father be mentionned if he plays no role? Where is Muhammads father mentionned? Where is Syuleyman's father mentionned? Where is Musa's father mentionned? Musa's mother is mentionned, even his sister but not his father. Where somebody plays no role why should he or she be mentionned?
Because somebody is not mentionned you cannot conclude that he or she does not exist. The only thing that you can conclude is that the person is not mentionned, whether such person existed or not.
Salaam
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Burden of proof is on the one asserting the claim!
You claim that Jesus had a father. Therefore, bring your proof.
Why should a father be mentionned if he plays no role?
Because you claim he had a role in the conception of Jesus!
Where is Syuleyman's father mentionned?
David!
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The question about Maryam is indeed that there is nothing in the Qur'an that says such a thing as that she became a mother while being a virgin. And I agree that the kun ga yakun does not hint at any virginity at all. All people are born because God says kun. Anything that exists it is because God says kun. The greatest argument put forth by the virginists is that she says how is she going to have child when she knows no male. If the text had said that she gave birth next day e might have thought about a prodigy, but the text does not say so nor points to anything out of the ordinary. It does not give any delays as to the interval between one thing and another just as it does in so many Qur'an narrations.
Salam huruf
Yes it does,
AQ.2191 - "And (remember) her, who virtue her CHASTITY We breathed into her of Our Spirit, and We made her and her son a sign for all peoples.
AQ.6612 - "And Mary the daughter of 'Imran, who virtue her CHASTITY ; and We breathed into (thru her respitory system) of Our Spirit; and she testified to the truth of the words of her Lord and of His Revelations, and was one of the devout (servants).
The word "f r j" has been erroneouly translated as being women private parts. The correct rendering of the word as per the Quran is chastity and used for both male and female.
AQ.2430 - Tell the believing men to reduce of their vision and guard their CHASTITY ...
AQ.2431 - And tell the believing women to reduce of their vision and guard their CHASTITY ...
The Quran never uses words that is not fit to be called WORD OF ALLAH. In fact, when come to such words, if we look further
AQ.0720 - But Satan whispered to them to make apparent to them that which was concealed from them of their PRIVATE PARTS . He said, "Your Lord did not forbid you this tree except that you become angels or become of the immortal."
AQ.0722 - So he made them fall, through deception. And when they tasted of the tree, their PRIVATE PARTS became apparent to them, and they began to fasten together over themselves from the leaves of Paradise. And their Lord called to them, "Did I not forbid you from that tree and tell you that Satan is to you a clear enemy?"
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And who is David's father, where is he named?
That anybody should be named because he or she participates in anybody else's conception is who you says that not me and not the Qur'an. And I am not claiming any father in the conception of Jesus, what I am saying is far conclusive and it is that nowhere does the Qur'an say that Maryam was a virgin while becoming a mother, and therefore, if on that side nothing out of the ordinery is mentionned, then we may conclude that there is nothing that the Qur'an considers worth mentionned for the purpose of its teachings.
In your post 49 you keep confusing chastity with virginity. So, for instance, since you were born of a father neither your mother nor your father were chaste when you were born, since they were not virgins.
You keep diverting the question and the question is that the Qur'an does not state, God or the angel does not state at any moment that Maryam gave birth being a virgin. It is the virgin part that fails completely to be substantiated out of the Qur'an. If it is not mentionned whatever one might conjecture in that count is exactly that, pure conjecture, and unfounded at that, since we have no basis for it.
That no father is mentionned is because the father does not play any role in the teaching which the Qur'an wants to put forward. Just as it has no role in the teaching about Musa infancy, where no father is mentionned. In fact Musa's father which, being brother of Haroon we might think is 3imraan, is mentionned but as father of Maryam, becuase in this case the mention is to the point.
It is formidable how much "muslims" want to correct or perfect or complete or help the Qur'an along bringing in the material from other other sources. Which I have nothing against in order to study and explore and reflect, but it is going too far to impose it on the Qur'an. The Qur'an stands on itself, not on other human creations.
Salaam
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OK! Maryam wasn't unchaste; after some time she found a husband and married him and bore a child. Only they were living away from their original community.
Speculation
Peace virtueorvice,
You are making your claim fit your hypothesis which is understandable, but not necessarily true.
There is no statement indicating that Mary was previously married before the birth of Jesus, hence
this wonderful daughter raised under the guardianship of Zachariah should not be slandered and
speculated regarding her chastity when there is no proof otherwise. If she was married when she
had the child, why the shame? Where's hubby? Why hide? Why the vow of silence on such a happy
occasion, especially after having a son in those days?When she bore him, she isolated herself to a faraway place.
The birth process came to her by the trunk of a palm tree. She said, I wish I were dead before
this happened, and completely forgotten."called her from beneath her, saying, "Do not grieve. Your Lord has provided you with a stream.
"If you shake the trunk of this palm tree, it will drop ripe dates for you.
"Eat and drink, and be happy. When you see anyone, say, 'I have made a vow of silence; I am
not talking today to anyone.'"She came to her family, carrying him. They said, "O Mary, you have committed something
that is totally unexpected."O descendant of Aaron, your father was not a bad man, nor was your mother unchaste."
She pointed to him. They said, "How can we talk with an infant in the crib?"
Another Miracle
said, "I am a servant of GOD. He has given me the scripture, and has appointed me a prophet.
"He made me blessed wherever I go, and enjoined me to observe the Contact Prayers and the
obligatory charity for as long as I live.No mention of a father!
"I am to honor my mother; He did not make me a disobedient rebel.
Believers are told to honor their mother and father, did Jesus disobey this instruction?
God bless
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It is obvious that Maryam was regarded as a loose woman by her community, but that in its turn is no proof or hint at all that she was a virgin mother. No hint at all. None. There are many ways a woman may not be unchaste and still be caught in a situation where she is regarded as such. Speciall if the existence of an unexplained child is there. Unexplained is not the same thing as of virgin birth or without the intervention of a flesh father. Should I mention the millions of women who have been raped and become mothers after? The thing is that God did nto want to tell us anything about it. Did not want to tell us anything about it. It was not for us to know, we do not get anything out of knowing. What we are being told is nothing to do with that. In fact what we are being told is that we shou7ld look at what is there and not at what is not there and we cannot know.
However it might have been Maryam was a single mother. ABOUT THAT there is no doubt, but still, not there being any doubt about it, we TODAY, and for centuries and centuries spite on single mother. -we are real pigs, fighting over the virginity of a woman who was a single mother as if that was what mattered and we spit in single mothers all they way. And oh, God, poor thing, she was overwhelmed at the foot of the palm tree... BUT SHE WAS A VIRGIN. That is all that matters. And today there are those that if they found a woman in such circumstance be it Maryam, they would have stoned her.
But the thing is that the most important thing is the father, even if he did exist onlyfor a few minutes. A few minutes that entitles any man to figure in the genealogy of any meaningful person, provided they want it after the fact. Does not matter that they abandon the pregnant woman, no magtter that thye could not care less, it is them, the "fathers" that matter. Where does the Qur'an say such a thing. Who cares who was 3isa's father. He does not appear, for good reasons or for bad reasons he does not appear. Where is Musas father, where is Dawoods father?
May be she, Maryam, did meet some young boy who died right after and there were no witnesses of their marriage, may be a thousand things. Since the angel had announced her that she would conceive, she would have accepted any fate God meant for her.
God does not want us to llok at 3isa's father, there enough fathers in other narrations of the Qur'an, God did want us to look at Maryam, just Maryam, and 3isa. So, that means that we have to make a virgin mother out of her' Why?
Salaam
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Salam,
We should regard that Chaste and Virgin are two different terms. Someone may be a virgin but not a chaste person and also when someone is not virgin that doesn't mean he or she is an unchaste person!
Maryam was living in an ignorant society, she was an orphan and most probably a prophetess. She was devoted to the temple but the temple was already corrupted by the mischief of the Children of Israel. So when Maryam decided to leave the temple, she knew that she wouldn't be welcomed by her community hence she went to another location, married and bore Isa!
Maryam keeps her marriage secret and when Isa reaches maturity he goes with her mother to their community and declares his mission!
There's nothing twisted and complicated about it!
342 (Mary kept a spotless character as she grew up.) Angels told her, God has chosen you, given you a spotless character and given you distinction among the women of your times.
343 She was told by angels to gather courage, quit monasticism, submit to the command of her Lord and join her family for leading a normal life bowing to the design that God has ordained for people.
344 (O Messenger) We are revealing to you these events of the unseen history (so that you may dispel conjecture). You were not present with them when they threw their pens (casting lots) which of them should take charge of Mary (after Zakariya). And you were not present with them when they quarreled about it.
345 Angels said, O Mary! God gives you the good news through a word from Him. His name would be Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, held in honor in this world and among the ones close (to Me) in the Hereafter.
346 He will speak to people while very young and in ripe old age with his faculties well intact.
347 Mary exclaimed! O My Lord, How shall I have a son when no man has (intimately) touched me? He said, Just as God creates everyone according to His laws (340). When God decrees a matter, it starts happening.
348 And God will teach him the scripture and the wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel.
349 And He will be a Messenger to the Children of Israel. He will say to them, I come to you with revelation from your Lord. If you follow me, I will raise you from dust to the heights of glory by the command of God (7176). The blind among you will begin to see the truth. Those of you who are spotted with sin, I will heal them, and I shall grant real life to those who are just dragging on without purpose; all by God's leave, according to His laws. I am here to establish justice and equity. I shall see to it how much you hoard in your houses and how much you spend on the community. My teachings are sufficient signs for you to believe.
350 I confirm the truth in the Torah before me, and make permissible to you some of what was forbidden. I have come with your Lord's revelation. Be mindful of His commands and obey me.
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World English Dictionary
Chaste (test)
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- not having experienced sexual intercourse; virginal
- abstaining from sexual intercourse, esp that which is unlawful or immoral
- (of conduct, speech, etc) pure; decent; modest
- (of style or taste) free from embellishment; simple; restrained
'chastely
? adv
'chasteness
- refraining from sexual intercourse that is regarded as contrary to morality or religion; virtuous.
- virgin.
- not engaging in sexual relations; celibate.
- free from obscenity; decent chaste conversation.
- undefiled or stainless chaste, white snow.
? n
virgin (vdn)? n
- a person, esp a woman, who has never had sexual intercourse
- an unmarried woman who has taken a religious vow of chastity in order to dedicate herself totally to God
- any female animal that has never mated
- a female insect that produces offspring by parthenogenesis
- a person who is new to or inexperienced in a specified field a political virgin
? adj
6. of, relating to, resembling, suitable for, or characteristic of a virgin or virgins; chaste
7. pure and natural, uncorrupted, unsullied, or untouched virgin purity
8. not yet cultivated, explored, exploited, etc, by man virgin territories
9. being the first or happening for the first time
10. (of vegetable oils) obtained directly by the first pressing of fruits, leaves, or seeds of plants without applying heat
11. (of a metal) made from an ore rather than from scrap
12. occurring naturally in a pure and uncombined form virgin silver
13. physics (of a neutron) not having experienced a collision -
No matter that people are not confused about the meaning of virgin and the meaning of chaste, but the thing is that a definition in English does not get anybody anywhere. If we are getting into that kind of confusion at least let it be with the original, whether such confusion would be at all posible in the original.
There is in arabic a proper way to say virgin and a proper way to say chaste, no need to lead people into confusion.
Salaam
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Peace.
Where is the confusion?
The angel tells Mary she is going to have a child!
She responds by saying How can I? No man has touched me? I am not chaste!
The angel replies God has decreed that the matters has been decided, you will have a child.
Now ,if she understood it to be in the future, i.e with a man, Why would she utter such statement? If the angel said to her ,in the near future you will meet someone and become pregnant with a child, would the " no man has touched me" be said by her?
Of course she understood it to be " as she is now" ,without a partner!!!!!
Does God not choose the words carefully? Would the Qoran use words that are not necessary?
There is no confusion. All the signs that she conceived without being touched by a man are there?
GOD bless .
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Peace good logic,
We have to think carefully so we not risk conjectural ideas. I almost considered the ideas for a minute. Thanks for clarifying verses.
God bless you