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But you are correct that no one is asked to practice alQuraan immediately without leaving a single verse.
Understanding and practicing of each topic of alQuraan needs a lot of time.Therefore there is no option as either "tawakkal" or else is a "mushrik". .
tawakkal on Allah or else be a mushrik
In facts, it is our duty (or any Muslim) to reconcile all parties (ie. this is the subject matter of "tawakkal". .
And if two parties of believers battle with each other <- so they are not mushrik!
you shall reconcile them
but if one of them aggresses against the other
then you shall fight the one aggressing
until it complies with God?s command
Once it complies
then you shall reconcile the two groups with justice
and be equitable
for God loves those who are equitableThe believers are brothers <- and they are believers, and brothers!
so reconcile between your brothers
and be aware of God, that you may receive mercy
(49.9-10)and Allah continues by command the believers not to mock or ridicule any of them, regardless of their madhab / religion . .
O you who believe, let not a people ridicule other people
for they may be better than they
Nor shall any women ridicule other women
for they may be better than they
Nor shall you mock one another, or
call each other names <- such as calling others as mushrik or kafir!?Evil indeed is the reversion to wickedness after attaining faith
And anyone who does not repent
then these are the transgressorsO you who believe, you shall avoid much suspicion, for some suspicion is sinful
And do not spy on one another, nor shall you backbite
Would any of you enjoy eating the flesh of his dead brother?
You certainly would hate this
You shall observe God. God is Redeemer, MercifulO mankind, We created you from a male and female
and We made you into nations and tribes
that you may know one another
Surely, the most honorable among you in the sight of God is the most righteous
God is Knowledgeable, Expert
(49.11-13). . .
Thank you for this aayat.
If you notice in 1699 the word used is and in 16100 the word used is , what relation do you understand between these two words here?
Verses 16.199 and 100 is not about "tawakkal". . .
When you read the Qur?an, you shall seek refuge with God from Satan the outcast.
He (Satan) has no authority over those who believe, and who put their trust in their Lord.
His authority is over those who follow him, and set him up as a partner.
16.98-100But (4146) is the conditions for them to be "Believers", even though they are not yet the (True) "Believers". . .
for those will be with the believers
(4146). . .
I don't understand why and how you said that Allah is mutashabih hmm
What I means is no one can understand or explain what is Allah, and
the requirement in verse (3.7) is to believe and ignore the subject
Allah merely asked us to focus on the part of hablum minannas (humanity), not on the the hablum minallah (sin, reward, paradise, hell etc.)
This is the key to the success of Muslim UmmahI don't know what you means by 'last verses of the Quran' hmm
I mean in its chronological order of the revelations . . .
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Therefore there is no option as either "tawakkal" or else is a "mushrik". .
Salaam brother,
We are not talking about whole alQuraan, but we are just discussing on a single subject. If you do so, you are doing this or else you are among them. I don't find your reasoning suitable here.
In facts, it is our duty (or any Muslim) to reconcile all parties (ie. this is the subject matter of "tawakkal". .
And if two parties of believers battle with each other <- so they are not mushrik!
you shall reconcile them
but if one of them aggresses against the other
then you shall fight the one aggressing
until it complies with God?s command
Once it complies
then you shall reconcile the two groups with justice
and be equitable
for God loves those who are equitableThe believers are brothers <- and they are believers, and brothers!
so reconcile between your brothers
and be aware of God, that you may receive mercy
(49.9-10)Thanks for the aayaat.
There are many different levels IN momineen. Such as
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Among the believers are men true to what they promised Allah. Among them is he who has fulfilled his vow, and among them is he who awaits. And they did not alter by any alteration.
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And most of them believe not in Allah except while they associate others with Him.
and Allah continues by command the believers not to mock or ridicule any of them, regardless of their madhab / religion . .
O you who believe, let not a people ridicule other people
for they may be better than they
Nor shall any women ridicule other women
for they may be better than they
Nor shall you mock one another, or
call each other names <- such as calling others as mushrik or kafir!?Evil indeed is the reversion to wickedness after attaining faith
And anyone who does not repent
then these are the transgressorsO you who believe, you shall avoid much suspicion, for some suspicion is sinful
And do not spy on one another, nor shall you backbite
Would any of you enjoy eating the flesh of his dead brother?
You certainly would hate this
You shall observe God. God is Redeemer, MercifulO mankind, We created you from a male and female
and We made you into nations and tribes
that you may know one another
Surely, the most honorable among you in the sight of God is the most righteous
God is Knowledgeable, Expert
(49.11-13)
. . .Thank for the aayaat again.
I seek refuge in Allah from shiataan and from being among jaahileena &
I never meant in that way, my Lord knows my intentions.Verses 16.199 and 100 is not about "tawakkal". . .
When you read the Qur?an, you shall seek refuge with God from Satan the outcast.
He (Satan) has no authority over those who believe, and who put their trust in their Lord.
His authority is over those who follow him, and set him up as a partner.
16.98-100What are the Arabic words for the highlighted words above from your quote?
But (4146) is the conditions for them to be "Believers", even though they are not yet the (True) "Believers". . .
. . .As I said above there are different levels in believers.
What I means is no one can understand or explain what is Allah, and
the requirement in verse (3.7) is to believe and ignore the subjectThe word mutashabih used in 37 is not about Allah but it was used for aayaat of alKitaab.
Allah merely asked us to focus on the part of hablum minannas (humanity), not on the the hablum minallah (sin, reward, paradise, hell etc.)
This is the key to the success of Muslim UmmahYou said something on Allah that you have no knowledge about and which I cannot dare to.
Evidence needed from alQuraan, please.I mean in its chronological order of the revelations . . .
Sorry, I don't believe in such crap which is not supported by alQuraan in anyways.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
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I respect your views. I know it is very hard for most of us to accept it.
I suppose I almost near to understand it, brother.
However, I still need time to ponder.
I feel afraid if this is true, because anything that may lead us to mushrik also mean "danger!" http//4.bp.blogspot.com/-vFDvbGdlDqI/U2LWOOLcyxI/AAAAAAAAGwg/66mL9nHaXFI/s1600/warning-sign.png
I mean in its chronological order of the revelations . . .
Sorry, I don't believe in such crap which is not supported by alQuraan in anyways.
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Peace.
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If you do so, you are doing this or else you are among them.
I don't bother much to be a mushrik because I know it is not within human power to decide who is mushrik
especially when one have presented with direct ayat from the Quran and with proper reasoning
unless it shows that they want to take over God's power. . . to become God.and . . in fact, I believe even Abraham himself was not confident he and his family are Muslims . . .
And Abraham enjoined his sons and Jacob
?O my sons, God has selected the system for you
so do not die except as ones who have submitted (to Islam).? <- they are not yet following Islam?
2.131so , you can call me a mushrik if that what's make you happy . . .
. . . .
There are many different levels IN momineen.
What is your point ?
And if two parties of believers battle with each other <- so they are not mushrik!
(49.9-10)The point is. . Allah refer them as "Believers" and when they are disputing with each other,
ie. one of them or both of them are not complying with Allah's command in the Quran. . .
and which include, "if one of them aggresses against the other"
Allah does not refer them as mushrik , and Allah said they are "brothers"Therefore, what's the merit of your point ?
Allah said they are "Believers" and you want to argue that they are "not Believers" ?? They are mushrik ?
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I never meant in that way, my Lord knows my intentions.
Don't worry. . no one is perfect.
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What are the Arabic words for the highlighted words above from your quote?
Again, what is the merit of your point ?
The ayat said. . .
When you read the Qur?an, you shall seek refuge with God from Satan the outcast.
He (Satan) has no authority over those who believe, and who put their trust in their Lord.
His authority is over those who follow him, and set him up as a partner.
16.98-100The context of the subsequent ayat is related to "When you read the Qur?an"
It is about our understanding (faith) when reading the Quran . .
It is obviously got nothing to do with the topic of "tawakkal" (action) you have mentioned in here.
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As I said above there are different levels in believers.
Allah said "are only", and therefore they are only one type of "Believer" . .
The believers ARE ONLY the ones
who have believed in Allah and His Messenger
and then doubt not but strive with their properties and their lives in the cause of Allah
It is those who are the truthful.
(49.15)The believers ARE ONLY those who,
when Allah is mentioned, their hearts become fearful, and
when His verses are recited to them, it increases them in faith; and
upon their Lord they rely
(8.2)and you have to understand how to read the "legal structure" of the Quran.
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The word mutashabih used in 37 is not about Allah but it was used for aayaat of alKitaab.
AND the alKitaab is about Allah. Does it make any differences ?
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You said something on Allah that you have no knowledge about and which I cannot dare to.
Evidence needed from alQuraan, please.Angels prostrate to Allah (hablum minallah) and Adam (hablum minannas) . . .
Iblees prostrate to Allah alone (hablum minallah, ie. bigotism) .Iblees is Allah/ God Alone.
Therefore, God Alone is Iblees. . ie. the path of Iblees.
. . .
Sorry, I don't believe in such crap which is not supported by alQuraan in anyways.
So you believe Allah gave Muhammad a Book perfectly compiled when he become a Prophet ?
I don't believe in that crap.
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I suppose I almost near to understand it, brother.
However, I still need time to ponder.
I feel afraid if this is true, because anything that may lead us to mushrik also mean "danger!" http//4.bp.blogspot.com/-vFDvbGdlDqI/U2LWOOLcyxI/AAAAAAAAGwg/66mL9nHaXFI/s1600/warning-sign.png
Salaam,
I understand what you say. But please take your time and seek Allah's help and follow what ever Allah guides you to and do not rush to conclusion 10109.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan -
I don't bother much to be a mushrik because I know it is not within human power to decide who is mushrik
especially when one have presented with direct ayat from the Quran and with proper reasoning
unless it shows that they want to take over God's power. . . to become God.and . . in fact, I believe even Abraham himself was not confident he and his family are Muslims . . .
And Abraham enjoined his sons and Jacob
?O my sons, God has selected the system for you
so do not die except as ones who have submitted (to Islam).? <- they are not yet following Islam?
2.131so , you can call me a mushrik if that what's make you happy . . .
I don't call anyone kafir or mushrik. Why should I call it to someone? And what is there which makes me happy to call it? hmm
Angels prostrate to Allah (hablum minallah) and Adam (hablum minannas) . . .
Iblees prostrate to Allah alone (hablum minallah, ie. bigotism) .Iblees is Allah/ God Alone.
Therefore, God Alone is Iblees. . ie. the path of Iblees.
You should analyze and understand these aayaat carefully 1745 - 1746 and 3945 and 4012.
So you believe Allah gave Muhammad a Book perfectly compiled when he become a Prophet ?
I don't believe in that crap.
Who is Muhammad? Please take a look at my detailed thread here.
And of-course if is not mandetory on you to believe it.
May Allah bless you pr
mmKhan -
You should analyze and understand these aayaat carefully 1745 - 1746 and 3945 and 4012.
So what is your conclusion ?
You don't agree that Iblees prostate to Allah Alone, and the angels prostrate to Allah and Adam ?
Ignominy shall be their portion
wheresoever they are found
save (where they grasp)
a rope from Allah (hablum minallah)
and
a rope from men (hablum minannas)
(3112)Who is Muhammad? Please take a look at my detailed thread here.
I don't know what's the merit of your point but what I'm trying to show is that there is a chronological order of the revelations. . according to the link I've given or else, doesn't matter. . and because Allah does not send a Book perfectly compiled to Muhammad. This chronological order of the verses is very crucial to the understanding of the Quran because it shows us step by step how to understand and implement the rules in the Quran.
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Peace,
I am doubtful of the word's meaning as prostrate at all but I believe it to mean submit or humble. Perchance the word does not even mean that but mean behold or similar is in admire something. Just as 'muslims' in this case I doubt that God told the angels/controllers to physically prostrate or even submit to Adam. That would be against the decree even if explicitly told by God. It does not suit the context. It seems retarded that God asks the angels to submit to Adam. Pay homage or something similar I could agree on, but in that case you pay homage to God as well when you do sujud in a masjed (I know Wakas' interpretation of it not meaning place of worship but I did not buy that at least not yet).
The same is when people are told to enter gates in sujud. It simply cannot mean prostrate intricately but pay homage which can be done in more ways than prostration even if the word has become associated with it in the traditional Arab rites and later forgotten of its more generic meaning. Pay homage can be done by bowing your head or kneeling (with one knee for example) so it is a very generic meaning of the word.
God bless you
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It seems retarded that God asks the angels to submit to Adam.
Isn't that what the angels do all this time ? To serve human beings etc ? Well. . I do believe it is consistent with the facts of the Quran , and to serve Allah means to serve other human beings , to follow Allah's commands for the benefit of ourselves, family, friends and other human beings. . . It is all about human beings and because no one knows what is Allah.
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Peace,
It may be so, but that they submit or yield to Adam is still slightly inaccurate. It seems a bit off. Pay homage to the human Adam could be it in that case. A show of respect to him. All except Ebless accepted to do it because he was too arrogant to show any respect to someone as inferior because he is made of fire while humans are of mud.
If they serve anything it is God and not some human. If they do something for us it is because God decreed an order. They are hardly subordinate to us.
God bless you
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If they serve anything it is God and not some human.
If this is your contention . . then we don't have to serve and take care our family, children, friends, family and other human beings . . . We only serve God and pray all the time , but wait. . .what is God's commands in the Quran ? Righteousness etc ? Isn't it to serve other human beings ? Now. . . is this the same as what the angels are doing for all this time ? ie. God command angels to serve human beings . . . prostrate to Adam (ie. mankind).
And when your Lord
took from the children of Adam
from their loins
their descendants <- this is what Adam represents
and made them testify of themselves
, "Am I not your Lord?"
They said, "Yes, we have testified."- lest you should say on the day of Resurrection
"Indeed, we were of this unaware"
(7172)
To serve Allah is to serve mankind . . .
You alone we serve (ie. through serving mankind, righteousness), and You alone we seek for help.
1.5God orders justice and goodness
and that you shall help your relatives
and He deters from evil, vice, and transgression
He warns you that you may remember.
(16.90) - lest you should say on the day of Resurrection
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Peace,
I do not doubt that the service of mankind is in our mission. But the issue here is submission to Adam under the same "banner" as is done traditionally in a masjed. And I say that the conceived prostration here is a much milder word in the context more to show respect or pay homage. The angels are in service to God and they serve God alone. But they can show respect to Adam and so did all except Ebless.
God bless you
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I do not doubt that the service of mankind is in our mission. But the issue here is submission to Adam under the same "banner" as is done traditionally in a masjed. And I say that the conceived prostration here is a much milder word in the context more to show respect or pay homage. The angels are in service to God and they serve God alone. But they can show respect to Adam and so did all except Ebless.
No one knows what the angels look like. . .and thus, no one knows how they prostrate to Adam . . What we know , that they were assigned and control the earth and the universe , to ensure everything runs according to Allah's commands . . and thus, they are serving mankind , days and nights. . or you believe Allah did all this by Himself ? or Allah reveals the wahy directly to Muhammad ? or you believe Allah serve mankind ?
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So what is your conclusion ?
You don't agree that Iblees prostate to Allah Alone, and the angels prostrate to Allah and Adam ?
Ignominy shall be their portion
wheresoever they are found
save (where they grasp)
a rope from Allah (hablum minallah)
and
a rope from men (hablum minannas)
(3112)Brother, didn't you get what is my conclusion even after going through the aayaat I gave you? Or you don't even bother to check them? hmm
It is very simple that Sajda does not mean prostration. Please take a look at this carefully. And please go through it to understand.
I don't know what's the merit of your point but what I'm trying to show is that there is a chronological order of the revelations. . according to the link I've given or else, doesn't matter. . and because Allah does not send a Book perfectly compiled to Muhammad. This chronological order of the verses is very crucial to the understanding of the Quran because it shows us step by step how to understand and implement the rules in the Quran.
Again brother, at least go through the opening post to understand what I meant. Otherwise what remains to discuss. You are coming back with the same things even after giving you the links and aayaat. In short, there is no Muhammed for me.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
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Brother, didn't you get what is my conclusion even after going through the aayaat I gave you? Or you don't even bother to check them? hmm
It is very simple that Sajda does not mean prostration. Please take a look at this carefully. And please go through it to understand.
I did look at them and my view about Sajda (prostrate) is the angels must "served" human beings. . .
In fact, this what I have been discussing with Man of Faith
No one knows what the angels look like. . .and thus, no one knows how they prostrate to Adam . . What we know , that they were assigned and control the earth and the universe , to ensure everything runs according to Allah's commands . . and thus, they are serving mankind , days and nights. .
and my stance on this issue does not change the facts that there is "hablum minallah" and "hablum minannas" in the Quran.
This is what I've been saying from the start. . .
Obedience to Allah means to serve mankind.
You alone we serve (ie. through serving mankind, righteousness), and You alone we seek for help.
1.5God is not weak and does not need us to serve Him. . he wants us to serve and take care each other.
Maybe your interpretation is from Islam as a "religion" , God and Religion . .
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Again brother, at least go through the opening post to understand what I meant. Otherwise what remains to discuss. You are coming back with the same things even after giving you the links and aayaat. In short, there is no Muhammed for me.
I think you should read again because you have repetedly failed to understand the issue
and your theory that there is no Muhammad doesn't affected the issue I raise in this threadMy point is on the "chronological order" of the Quran, not who is Muhammad. . . or whether Muhammad exists or not
In fact, you can name the Prophet to any names you want. . Ahmad, Bakar, Soleh, Richard, John, Tom, Sam etc. . .but that does not change the facts relating to the "chronological order" of the Quran
that does not change the facts that Allah does not send a Book perfectly compiled to his Messenger, whoever he may be. . .
it is so since there are chronological events in the Quran . . .wars and such and such.I don't know what's the merit of your point but what I'm trying to show is that there is a chronological order of the revelations. . according to the link I've given or else, doesn't matter. . and because Allah does not send a Book perfectly compiled to Muhammad. This chronological order of the verses is very crucial to the understanding of the Quran because it shows us step by step how to understand and implement the rules in the Quran.
That "chronological order" of the Quran is very crucial to the understanding and implementation of the rules in the Quran
It is so since no one can be expected to practice all the rules in the Quran simultaneously
no one will be able to do this, even the Prophet. . . any Prophets!Therefore. . .
It is ridiculous to expect one can practices everything in the Quran and then giving a choice, " tawakkal on Allah or else be a mushrik"
I will write here whatever I was taught by Allah about doing tawakkal on Allah or else be a mushrik
How could this be possible ?
Because if it is true. .everyone on earth will be a mushrik. . . including all Prophets and the Angels.
p.s. btw . . I don't agree with your interpretation relating to Muhammad, it does not fit. . . .I believe there is no "Ahmad", but there is "Muhammad" in the Quran.
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Peace,
God can do anything by own machine. The Master simply says 'be' and it is. The reason The Master reveals things to humans is because it is the most subtle way of doing so without spoiling the test and it exposes most hypocrites. God may send controllers/angels in disguise also as missionaries/co-actors on Earth (as not to spoil the test as in their ethereal form it would be too obvious).
Do you think God lets humans be missionaries/handle the correspondence because God is unable to
do this? How is it with your faith?God is in control of everything including natural laws and God is the foundation of all that, ie it is all "within the palms of his hands" (note allegorical expression!). God can control everything created without anyone helping.
But yet The Master takes people to help the on the mission, but that is to show our own worthiness. God could easily do everything single-handedly. And if we do something to help it is through God, because we use The Master's creation including natural laws to execute our actions. Praise be to our Master!
God bless you
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Do you think God lets humans be missionaries/handle the correspondence because God is unable to
do this? How is it with your faith?God is in control of everything including natural laws and God is the foundation of all that, ie it is all "within the palms of his hands" (note allegorical expression!). God can control everything created without anyone helping.
You are attempting to put words in my mouth . . . who say God unable to do this ? confused
What really happen here is God gave us the brain
and God create a system known as the "Sunnatullah",
and the system has its "law of cause and effect"
and you will not find any changes in the SunnatullahThis is God?s way with those who have passed away before,
and you will not find any change in God?s way
33.62You will not find any change in God?s way
and you will not find any bypass to God?s way
35.43God now asks mankind not to be an idiot waiting everything from Allah,
or even using the corrupted understanding of "tawakkal" while praying days/nights and doing nothing elseGod asks us to do our best to study the system, to study the sign. .
so that we can benefit ourselves, have lots of money to sadaqah, and benefit humanity . . .praise is to Allah , Lord of the worlds
1.2but those who does not understand and living in dreams/nightmares. . .
they will be subjected to the following "Sunnatullah"And whoever turns away from My remembrance
then he will have a miserable life
20.124"Miserable life"? Who are these people ? Isn't it the Muslim Ummah ?
No wonder why. . because they been living in the illusion of God, Religion, Hell, Paradise, Sin, Reward, Angels, Iblees, Satan, Ikhlas, Tawakkal and all the Mutasyaabihat context of life . . rather than in the real world, ie. the "Deen" of Islam.