To Layth - About the 19 and Smoke Articles
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Salaamun alaikum Marie,
Sorry, but to me, unless the term 'believers' (i.e O nabi, tell the believers or 'o nabi and believers' ) is used, I will not assume. To me, clear evidence is necessary.
Yes, The god sends messengers to every nation. Are we same nation as Arabs of 7th century ? not in my opinion.
thanks and peace.
Salaamun alaikum mquran,
When the God speaks to the prophet, the messenger, the first person of the singular form is systematically used
O thou prophet 864, 8 65, 8 70, 973, 33 1, 33 28, 3345, 3350, 3359, 6012, 661, 669,
O thou messenger 541, 567
651 is addressed to the men (both the prophet and the believers).The god speaks to us in several ways through His prophet.
? Ya ayyuha alnnabiyyu ithatallaqtumu alnnisaa ? translated as
O Prophet! When you men intend to divorce women..
Or
O you prophet, if any of you have divorced the women..
You wrote
"23/51 and 65/1 are proofs to me that both risaalat and nabuwwat are on-going processes"
I respect your view but the goal of my last post is not about to prove your point or the oposite. The god sends His messengers to every nation
Peace
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Sorry, but to me, unless the term 'believers' (i.e O nabi, tell the believers or 'o nabi and believers' ) is used, I will not assume. To me, clear evidence is necessary.
Agree but the fact that the prophet is used in singular form and the verb tallaqa/to divorce is used in the plural form imply both the prophet and belivers are concerned by this command. There is several verses which are adressed to the prophet about his wives and 651 belongs to this list
If only the prophet is concerned by this command that breaks the grammatical rules or there is a mistake; we should read O YOU prophets instead of O thou prophet..
This verse is reavealed through it both for Him and the believers mensingular form go with singular form like in 864, 8 65, 8 70, 973, 33 1, 33 28, 3345, 3350, 3359, 6012, 661, 669 and vice versa
3328 O thou Prophet! Tell (thou) your wives, ?If you desire the life of this world and its glitter ? well, then, I shall provide you to your contentment and let you go in a becoming manner.? (The Prophet had chosen not to keep a standard of living higher than the poorest of Madinah, and the mothers of believers were seeing other women living in relative affluence).
Singular form with plural form doesn't make sence grammatically.
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Salaam Marie,
Agree but the fact that the prophet is used in singular form and the verb tallaqa/to divorce is used in the plural form imply both the prophet and belivers are concerned by this command. There is several verses which are adressed to the prophet about his wives and 651 belongs to this list
It implies to you but to me, unless the ayat is clear, it doesn't imply so.
Singular form with plural form doesn't make sence grammatically.
Sadly, you have to take that up with the author, Marie. I'm only expecting the author to say what means because He swears the Book is clear (43/2).
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Salaam Aleikum MQuran,
I get so much confused after getting involved in discussion that I need clarification to make things clear.
What is the status of Prophet Muhammad (SAW) according to Qur'an?
Who is Ahmed according to your understanding?
Why Qur'an needs approval of 19 forumula or as a matter of fact any other research to prove its authenticity?
Why every false prophet after Prophet Muhammad (SAW) try to close the door on prophethood claimining to be the last?
What would be the status of muslims like me who will never accept any prophet after Prophet Muhammad according to Qur'an?
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Layth
Your signature is very appealing One God, One Book, One Nation but unfortunately you started to go in opposite direction of your motto. You and the freeminds.org will create more divisions among already very much divided ummah. It is very sad to see the character assinations of prophets mentioned by name in Qur'an and you even had not hesitated to pass judgement that they were all sinners murderer hypocrite.
You hope to create unity by creating alliances with the group of people who had deleted two verses of Qur'an who according to my estimate do not have more than few thousands followers. This will not create any unity it will alienate you and your new Islamic Reform alliance from majority of muslims.
9128 Now hath come unto you an Apostle from amongst yourselves it grieves him that ye should perish ardently anxious is he over you to the Believers is he most kind and merciful.
9129 But if they turn away, Say "God sufficeth me there is no god but He On Him is my trust,- He the Lord of the Throne (of Glory) Supreme!"I don't see anything wrong with the verses and certainly are not against the monotheism. Prophet Muhammad (SAW) was most kind and most mericul person described in Qur'an. We all can achieve these attributes if we simply follow Qur'an.
I will keep opposing all the wrong concept, you are free to block me from using your forum, the opposition is not against you it is for the supremecy of Allah (SWT) message and for last Prophet Muhammad (SAW).
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Salaamun alaikum KGB,
I get so much confused after getting involved in discussion that I need clarification to make things clear
My humblest apologies for that. I realise how frustrating that can be as i am from a sunni background. My advice for you if you find it too confusing, stop for a second. Engage with Al-Quraan yourself. Free-minds is the culmination of 5 years of discussion and debate and it can get very convoluted at times.
What is the status of Prophet Muhammad (SAW) according to Qur'an?
He is Rasulullah (48/29). The Quran was revealed on him (47/4). We don't need to know more about him than what Al-Quraan tells us.
Who is Ahmed according to your understanding?
The messenger after Isa (61/6)
Why Qur'an needs approval of 19 forumula or as a matter of fact any other research to prove its authenticity?
The Quran has its own method of proving itself. See 41/53. Why ? My guess is, human being are thinking creatures. We would naturally seek proof.
Why every false prophet after Prophet Muhammad (SAW) try to close the door on prophethood claimining to be the last?
I have no idea. I never met any of them.
What would be the status of muslims like me who will never accept any prophet after Prophet Muhammad according to Qur'an?
I can't say. Depends on whether 'al-haqq reached you or not. Just because someone preached to you, doesn't mean al-haqq reached you.
thanks and peace
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Peace KGB,
I will keep opposing all the wrong concept, you are free to block me from using your forum, the opposition is not against you it is for the supremecy of Allah (SWT) message and for last Prophet Muhammad (SAW).
You keep saying that. ? You will not be "blocked" from this forum unless you break the forum rules. Opposing views is not one of them. Infact it is because of 'opposing views' that we developed as much as we have. You are free to oppose and agree as you wish, also bringing new thoughts/concepts are always welcome here. D
Peace!
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Walleikum Salaam M Quran,
Thanks for the answering the questions but you were diplomatic in answering some questions.
Al Haq to me is Qur'an. Al Haq to me is that Prophet Muhammad was the last messager and prophet of Allah (SWT).
What is not Al Haq (The Truth) when people trying to change the meaning of the very clear verses finding the root of each and every word of Qur'an, it is not Al Haq (the truth) to create doubts about the authenticity of Qur'an, it is not Al Haq (the truth) to critise Prophet Muhammad or any other prophets to promote the so called unity.
Again simple question do you believe Rashad Al Khalifah is justified in deleting two verses of Qur'an and he is the prophet.
PS I did not find anything regarding Prophet Ahmad after Issa. Muhammad was the prophet after Propet Issa the promised one.
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Salaam KGB,
Rashad did not claim to be a nabi. I do.
Also keep in mind the hadeeth of musa which I have been discussing with Taj, that assuming and generalizing can get you into trouble. Therefore we must utilize ayat 1736, it is very important. So therefore, before assuming we are like other forums who banned you for being different, take note of the differences of opinion here, which you have already seen and alluded to in other posts.
Zien has already given you the link to the forum rules which you should take a look at to be secure in what you believe can happen to you if you take a particular course herein.
I'm not sure if people are all the time trying to create doubts about alquran, but simply opening other doors to what may actually be going on regarding the teachings. If alquran is the truth, you must provide it's authenticity .
Joe
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Salaamun alaikum KGB,
Thanks for the answering the questions but you were diplomatic in answering some questions
I try to be always diplomatic. That way I don't get beaten up.
Al Haq to me is Qur'an. Al Haq to me is that Prophet Muhammad was the last messager and prophet of Allah (SWT).
If that's your truth, alhamdulillah.
What is not Al Haq (The Truth) when people trying to change the meaning of the very clear verses finding the root of each and every word of Qur'an, it is not Al Haq (the truth) to create doubts about the authenticity of Qur'an, it is not Al Haq (the truth) to critise Prophet Muhammad or any other prophets to promote the so called unity.
Change the meaning from what ? Al-Quraan acts as its own authentication device for meaning. We can easily verify meaning.
People can and do have doubts. Have you ever asked any 'muslim' why he or she believes Al-Quraan is the book from Allah ?
Al-Quraan is al-haqq , right ? Well, it itself criticises the prophets for thier mistakes. There's nothing wrong with this because they are meant to be our examples and we are , after all, human.
Again simple question do you believe Rashad Al Khalifah is justified in deleting two verses of Qur'an and he is the prophet.
No, I don't. Not a messenger either.
PS I did not find anything regarding Prophet Ahmad after Issa. Muhammad was the prophet after Propet Issa the promised one
.Please see 61/6. Who is mentioned as the messenger coming after Isa ?
thanks and peace.
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Walleikum Salaam Joe,
The Nabi I thought is in connection with the Nabis of Allah (SWT). Good luck. lol )
Now the serious reply regarding criticizing and character analysis of previous prophets including Prophet Muhammad (SAW).
Prophet Muhammad (SAW) as I know him by reading Qur'an was the merciful, soft spoken, kind harted, shy who even feel ashamed to asked the guests to disperse, truthful, honest, the perfect judge resolving peoples differences, the excellent leader who has succeeded in creating unity among all the Arab tribes who had the history of fighting each other, excellent commander in chief, the perfect administrator and the head of the government.
The very minor mistakes of Prophet Muhammad (SAW) revealed in Qur'an is to show the believers that he was human and it is Allah (SWT) who is perfect. The purpose is not for us to start passing judgement on Prophet Muhammad (SAW) character and declare him a sinner. Allah (SWT) hide our daily most sinester sins without revealing to everyone whereas Allah (SWT) did not spare Prophet Muhammad (SWT) when he frowned and turned away. How many times we frowned arrogantly daily and get away with it, numerous times. We really are not in any position to criticize any of the prophets mentioned by name in Qur'an and pass our judgements, their position and ranks are much more higher than us all let Allah (SWT) be the judge.
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Walleikum Salaam M Quran,
Thanks for your response. I now clearly know where you stands.
Regarding Prophet Ahmad I agree with Edip Yuksel which he had posted in other topic is supported by plenty of other Sunni websites.
The verse "ismuhu ahmad" means his name or his description is more praised. Ahmad in that verse is not a proper name but an adjective, in Arabic called, ismu-l tafdil. Ism in Arabic does not necessarily means NOUN; in fact, it means "description" and all Jewish and Arabic proper names had meaning and were descriptive.
Even if Ahmad was the prophet after Issa and before Prophet Muhammad (SAW) than it is not against my belief that Prophet Muhammad (SAW) was the last Prophet and we both can live with this difference of opinion.
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Salaam Joe,
Are you telling me, Joe, that once a rejecter, is always a rejecter!? Is that your final judgment on sinners!? shock
It is a possibility, yes. It seems to me as if this is the consistent life of these people, a state of rejection. Ask yourself your very own question Taj. If they were not always kafireen then why should Allah punish them for not being such, i.e. on an inconsistent basis?
Until their punishment came, Lot?s people still had a chance to repent. This appears with other Messengers, i.e. Noah. How much time did his people have? Hundreds of years before their punishment came. Could anybody be more consistent with his sin than Noah's people!?
Clearly to me, Lot (or Lut) was helping his people to repent and was being extra helpful when he was giving them the right alternative Marriage as a way for purity. And Lot (Lut) was even more helpful when he suggested his own daughters as wives for them.
Taj how do you determine marriage as a way for purity? Is purity simply given or is it something to be grasped through one's effort? Again why should he offer his daughters to these consistent sinners, especially those who clearly have no desire for the opposite sex? To me that would be like a waste of resources.
Marriage is one of the Halal ways for purity and self-straightening while getting the proper satisfaction. Fasting is another alternative but only few individuals would choose it, usually those who cannot afford the marriage expenses.
Btw, 'daughters' may not refer to Lot?s daughters in particular, because how many daughters did he have anyway? Did he have enough daughters for all the men of his community? So "daughters" could most probably mean the daughters of the clan. (Maybe that gives us the idea that he was the oldest man among his people).
(1)Where do you find in the Quran that Jonah ran away? No where! Jonah DID NOT run away, and certainly not from Allah! (2)A Messenger is certainly the last one to think that he can run away from Allah. Don't you think, Joe?
1- Jonah went off thinking Allah would not hem him in
If he went off from accomplishing what Allah had in mind can he not in effect be going off from Allah, not in the sense of escaping the all pervading presence of Allah?
Ok, Joe! The reaction of Jonah is opposite of Lot's, right? Lot didn't lose hope in his people and to you, Joe, that was something wrong to do! Here is what you wrote earlier
Just an observation I'd like for you to go through with me. In #3 you said that lut offered his daughters as wives for sinning men. Was lut a muslim and if so is it not true that for a muslim marrying rejectors is not encouraged? What is meant to be accomplished by this?
Are you telling me, Joe, that once a rejecter, is always a rejecter!? Is that your final judgment on sinners!? shock
Now how do you consider the reaction of Jonah, who you say went running away, a mistake? shock2- Rusul are human like all others and if you hold them in such esteem to even be the last to do such, it does not make it imposssible or unlikely that they could not and would not think such things.
Credibility is a synonym to Rasool.
Jonah lost faith IN HIS PEOPLE and not in Allah. Jonah became mad at the disobedience of his people to Allah?s Message.
Taj, that is not how the hadeeth goes. Let me put forth the ayaat for your discretion.
2187-88 And Jonah, when he went off in anger, and he thought that We would not be able to take him. Then he called out in the darkness ?There is no god but You! Glory to You, I was of the wicked!? So We responded to him and We saved him from distress. And it is such that We save the faithful.
Al Hamdu Le Ellah D
The Ayah clearly announces Jonah as one of the Faithful. And whose better testimony than Allah )
So who can protest to that?To be continued!
Btw,
Rashad did not claim to be a nabi. I do.
"I do" ...what?
What do you mean by 'I do', Joe?
Can you explain? If you can't, no problemTaj
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Prophet Muhammad (SAW) character according to Qur'an.
684 And lo! thou art of a tremendous nature.Yusuf Ali
684 And most surely you conform (yourself) to sublime morality. Shakir
684 And lo! thou art of a tremendous nature. PickthallProphet Muhammad (SAW) status according to Qur'an.
21107 We sent thee not, but as a Mercy for all creatures. Yusuf Ali
21107 And We have not sent you but as a mercy to the worlds. Shakir
21107 We sent thee not save as a mercy for the peoples. Pickthall -
Peace to bro kgb n every one here i ,m studying u,r discussion on the metter of Last Prophet whicih is very informative last night i have found two articles from a web site namely http//www.inet.ba/~hardy/code_19.htm n i find some information from it regarding code 19 n The Last Prophet the two thread from this site is very interesting n i will wanna know wut r u,r thoughts about the folllowing articles first thread is http//www.inet.ba/~hardy/messproph.htm n here is the article
Messenger/prophet-GET RID of unquranic definitions (A must read)The definitions of Rashad Khalifa that "prophet brings the book and messenger not" and that "every prophet is a messenger but not every messenger is prophet" are FALSE DEFINITIONS - UNQURANIC definitions.
His argumentation was just like sunnie`s(no offense we are just discussing) ...
1.They quote the verses where God says that he revealed "kitab/book and hikmah/wisdom" and extricate from it that it must be that kitab and hikma are two separate things(because of conjunction waw/and)- two revelations Kitab=Quran and Himkma= sunnah/hadith...
2.And RK qouted the verse where God say that he "did not send before you any messenger, nor a prophet" and you conclude that it must be two separate and distinct things(because of conjunction wa/and-translated as nor). (prophet who brings the book and messenger who do not brings the book)
This is pure sunnism....
1.Kitab/book and hikmah/wisdom are two inseparable aspects of the one same thing -Quran.
and, in regards to humans,
2.messenger and prophet/announcer are two inseparable aspects of one same thing...the man who is sent from God with God`s message to humanity to announce it to them
And the words messenger and prophet are used INTERCHANGEABLY IN WHOLE QURAN...warning And I REPEAT,Khalifas definitions are false - UNQURANIC definitions.
See these verses below( as well as many others in Quran)...
2285, ?The messenger believes in what has been sent dawn to him from His Lord and so do the faithful. They all believe in God and His malai?ka , His books and His messengers/rusulihi, we make no distinction among any of His messengers/rusulihi.?
2177, ? The righteous one is he who believes in God and the last day, and His mala?ika and His books and His prophets/nabiyyeen.?
You see in one verse they believe in messengers and in the other they believe in prophets...
Also...
2136, ? Say ? We believe in God and that which is sent down to us and what was sent down to Ibrahim and Isma&eel and Ishaq and Ya&qoob and the tribes and what was given to Musa and &isa and what was given to the NABIYYOON/prophets from their Lord, we make no distinction among any of them.?
Connect it with 2/285 where they make no distiction among messengers....
Specially see this verse
?All who obey God and the messenger (ar rasool) are in the company of those on whom is the grace of God.- of the prophets/(nebijjeena) the sincere (lovers of the truth) (as sidiqeena) and the witnesses (wash shuha daa) and the righteous. How beautiful is their company.? 469
So according to RK those who obey messenger will not be in company of messengers in heaven ???
They will be in company of prophets only???
And messengers will not be in heaven??
Also...
In 3144, God says ? wa ma muhamadun ila rasoolun qad khalat min qablihir rusul?
?Muhamed is but a messenger many messengers have passed away before him??
So, according to RK Muhamad is only a messenger and not a prophet????
But muhamed is called messenger as well as prophet in Quran...
Specially see this, they(BOTH) bring The book
2/213 Mankind were one community, and Allah sent (unto them)prophets as bearers of good tidings and as warners, and revealed therewith THE BOOK with the truth that it might judge between mankind concerning that wherein they differed.
57/25 We verily sent Our messengers with clear proofs, and revealed with them THE BOOK and the Balance, that mankind may observe right measure;
SO IT IS CLEAR LIKE DAYlight THAT MESSENGER AND PROPHET ARE TWO TERMS USED INTERCHANGEABLY IN QURAN and two INSEPARABLE facets of one same person/thing
And there is no room for those who claim that they are messengers but not prophets...
i don,t know who is the writter here but for sure he/she is very knowledgable may God increase our knowledge now is the time for the 2nd thread it is http//www.inet.ba/~hardy/mywifeandme.htm well after reading this i can say every one could be a Messanger with the magic of Mathmatics here is the article
Subject My wife and me -"The messengers of God" Date Thu, 15. Jun 2000.salamun alaikumA few months ago being irritated by people who produce different interesting calculations in order to justify their unquranic doctrines and to mislead people from the path of God, I made up an interesting story and i done some calculations to show that all these calculations are not so miraculous as it could appear on the first sight.As much as I read about the codes in Quran none of them is significant and could be imitated.
I also wrote some important comments below, after presentation of my "miraculous" calculations.*
IMPORTANT NOTICE
***** i swear by God that these dates(A,B, C) are correct; i did not make it up !! ***
So here it goes...
My wife and me -the messengers of God
Ladies and gentlemen let me present a bunch of numbers that inevitable proves that me and my wife are the messengers of God.
These Numbers and miraculous calculations are the evidences for my claim!
A)I was born 25.11.19 71 B)My wife was born 07.02.19 74 C)We get married on 19.01. 19 95.
calculation No 1 If we add the digits of the year when i was born 19 71 and when my wife was born 19 74(excluding two of 19 because they are miraculous by itself) we get 7+1+7+4=19. So we have 3 of miraculous No 19 divisibility (keep it in mind its imporatant)
calculation No 2 These are dates when we are born 7.2. and 25.11. if we add up their apsolute values(2+7+2+5+1+1) we get 18 but if we add the number 1 (the number of month when we get married-it was january-the 1th month in the year) we get 19 ,You may think that it is an arbitrary inclusion and it
s not a miracle, but ill prove that it`s miraculous and that this is done for a good -miraculous reason -let me explain. You see by including number 1(note that God is one) in miraculous calculation No2 we simultaneously exclude it -from the date when we get married- 19.(01.) 19 95.- so that we can get all 19 divisible numbers in miraculouscalculation No 3
We get married on 19.(01.) 19 95. (number 1 in the bracket is included in calculation No2)
-On the very beggining we have No 19 (it was 19th january 1995. when we get maried) -after that we have to exclude Number 1 and include it in Miraculous caculation No2 to get miraculous interlocking pattern -after we exclude number 1(january) we have number of year -1995 - divisible by 19, -and also note that both 19 and 95 are also divisible by 19 So we have 4 of No 19 divisibility here(this is important keep it in mind)
Did you notice this interlocking patern? It is almost like "missing besmellah!" But more is coming calculation No4
If we add up number of years when we are born 1971+1974=3945 and if we add up the digits in dates when we are born(25.11 and 02.07) 25+11+2+7=45 we end with 3945+45=3990 what is equal to 19 x 210 (note that this is the 21 century) plus note that 3+9+4+5=21 and also!!! 3+9+9+0=21 and this is the 21th century!!! also note that this is 2000th year(year when we are becoming the messengers) and (2+0+0+0)+ 19= 21 and this the 21 th century!!! We are messengers!!! but as i sad more is coming
in calculation No 1 we get 19 excactly 3 times in calculation No2 we get 19 excactly 1 time and in calculation No3 we get 19 excactly 4 time in calculation No4 we get 19 excactly 1 time and notice!!! that when we put all these numbers! 19 3 19 1 19 4 19 1 each next to other we get the number that is dividable with 19 193191194191 19 = 10167957589 all these numbers have 25 digits and if multiple it with 19 we get 475 (-this is one of my function as a messenger one of the the purposes of my mission)I wiil invite you to fight in the cause of god in war in Checenia- note that 475!!! talk about it
Why should you not fight in the cause of GOD when weak men, women, and children are imploring "Our Lord, deliver us from this community whose people are oppressive, and be You our Lord and Master."
Gabriel most assuredly tell me that this verse reffers to me.
and after that, God will guide the muslim chechenia people verse 47/5!!!! He will guide them, and bless them with contentment.
Note this simmetry 4/75 and 47/5
and if we add 4+75= 79 and 47+5= 52 we get 79+52=131 and 131th numbered verse from the beggining of the Quran is 2 /124 "Recall that Abraham was put to the test by his Lord, through certain commands, and he fulfilled them. (God) said, "I am appointing you an imam for the people." He said, "And also my descendants?" He said, "My covenant does not include the transgressors."
Gabriel most assuredly told to me that I am one of descendents of abraham and that now this verse reffers speccifically to me- a descendent of Abraham which is made an imam(resul) for you people!!!!! Moreover, after that i was told that the phrase "I am appointing you an imam for the people." now reffers specifically to me
And if we add up these number 2(surah where my mesengership is mentioned)and the nuber of verse from beggining of the Quran we get 2+131=133 exactly correct number of initial nun in surah nun. It is a special confirmation of corection that one of the messengers before me -rk -made in quran. Also, note that the last letter in my name is n-nun.(Zlatan) Gematrical value of nun is 50, and if we multiple it with 10(we felt in love 10 years ago) we get 500, and if we substract from this the number of the letters in my name(6)- we get 494 = 19x 26 Note that my wife will reach 26 in february this year. Also remember that my wife is born in 1974 when miracle of No19 is revealed to the world!!!and 74 is number of surah where miracle of No 19 is mentioned!!! And i am born in 19 71 and now i am still 28 , i will reach 29 in november this year(2000.) and surah 71 have 28 verses!!!
Our names contains exactly 19 letters
Z l a t a n a n d S a m r a P i r i c
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19
T r u e m e s s e n g e r s o f G o d
-this phrase above contains 19 letters too.
We get married on 19.01. 1995. (note that here we get three numbers) if we divide first number(miraculous no 19) in this date we get second number 19/19=1 (and God is one) Third number is also dividable with 19 , that is 19 95 It is dividable by 19 and both 19 and 95 are dividable by 19 i already mentioned it, but if we divide it s first two digits ( miraculous no 19) we also get the second number - 1 (and God is one),and finally more amazing, if we divide it`s last two digits 95 with 19 we get 5 - excactly number of years from our wedding till the day when we are announced as messengers of God and that is yesterday 19.01.2000.
The end
...and so on and so on, we could produce as much as we want miracles of this kind, esspecially if we use prime numbers , composits , twin prime,solely prime ,gematrical values, lunar years etc etc, as people often used to use in producing their codes. In the universe of numbers every 19th nuber is dividable with No19. If the choice and kind of calculations with numbers is up to me, it is very easy to come with thousands make-believe patterns -this is not a miracle -all this is inside the law of the probability. Esspecially if it is allowed me to chose among more then 6000 quranic verses, it is very easy to find suitable verse and to take it out of context and to present it as that verse reffers to me or to whatever i want to , for example to J day or to to my messengership or to specific nuber of salatas or... etc.(justifying it by dinamicity of Quran) Bear in mind that there is more that 19 different possible operation with nubers and one of them will always give 19 divisible number. I could add up numbers , I could substract them, i could multiple them, i could divide them, I could put their digits each next to other, i can reffer them to the verse number i could reffer the to the year of the discovery etc. etc. Remember that all these calculation i made during only one night. when I presented it to my wife she was shocked !! She said "even i know that you made it up, you almost convince me that I am the messenger" If i spend weeks and days (and not to speak about years) in these calculations, i could come with some really "impresive and mind boggling" paterns, esspecial if i am matematician or well educated person. And i could misused it in announcing myself as a messenger of God and introduce some unquranic doctrines to mislead the people from the path of God.
When i gone to bed that night, something very interesting happened to me, something that helped me to realise how rashad khalifa and other self- proclaimed new day messengers produce their
miraculous?? andsignificant??numbers and calculations. When i gone to bed that night many different interesting combinations and number relations in relation to code that i presented above started to occupy my mind,it was fascinating... it was very hard to me to get asleep that night.Combinations after combinations were swarming in my mind , all kind interesting calculations and different number relations were coming and coming and coming into my mind .....This is exactly what all the codes are about. Whatever is your occupation and whatever is your interest, and whatever you want strong enough, when you start to think intesively about it, when you concentrate your thought on it, when you devote yourself to it, your mind is becoming automated to give you possible solutions or interesting ideas, or anything that will help you in that area, or that will be of benefit to you, and your mind even unconsciously works on the problems and goals that you sets for him. No matter what that area of interest is chess , medicine, studying quran, studying hadith, studying world history, politcs, bible code, quran code, etc etc.. this principle works. It is just a matter hom diligent worker you are and how hard you want the thing that you want. You can be succesfull and have results in anything that you are devoting yourself to.
well may God guide us to the right path peace
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Salaamun alaikum KGB,
Even if Ahmad was the prophet after Issa and before Prophet Muhammad (SAW) than it is not against my belief that Prophet Muhammad (SAW) was the last Prophet and we both can live with this difference of opinion.
IMHO, a follower of Quranic teachings should be able to live with anyone except those who oppress others. Neither of us are, so, sure
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Dear Brother Naxus Salaam Aleikum,
Formula 19 or code 19 whatever you would like to call is erroneous that is my opinion. My advice to you is don't pay any attention for formula 19.
There were many false claimant of prophethood after the death of our Prophet Muhammad (SAW). The Rahad Al Khalifah is not the first and the last to claim prophethood. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian claimed that he is Imam Mahdi, Jesus second comming and Prophet Muhammad and is better prophet than Prophet Muhammad (SAW).
The truth is that there will be no second coming of Jesus as he is dead according to Qur'an and Imam Mahdi is a fictitious character created by hadith writers persian Imams. All the religions Hinduism, Budhist, Zoroastrians, Judaism have the concept of someone will come who will make their religions to superceed all other religions. Nothing but fiction and the persian Imams had successfully imported these beliefs giving it a Islamic Arabic face.
You can reach to the heights of knowledge and wisdom by reading Qur'an.
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Salaamun alaikum KGB,
This is essentially al-islaam's teaching, the establishment of justice, this is central to purifying our deen to be only for Allah (7/29).
Walleikum Sallam M Quran,
lol you will find me standing by your side when it comes to oppressions whether its in the name of religion or in the name of introducing demoracy.
We stand together united in Al Haq.