We are God
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I have to agree been trying to find a topic on mediatation
I gave up salat about a year ago as i cant understand the real meaning of it in the quran. God has not shown me this yet. I dont really understand what salat is hence blindly doing it is against my faith (i used to) so i stopped. Until God doesnt show me i will not indulge in it. However this didnt mean my thirst or need to connect with the one is gone. So i began talking to God on my own when i needed to . Then a few months ago i was introduced to Transcendental Meditation (TM) and have tried it a few times and i have to say it really does feel like i have connected and since i have been calmer and clearer in a lot of things in my life. The main purpose of TM aligns perfectly with many peoples responses to this thread where the belief is that we need to clear our mind of all sub consious buzz or thought to connect. Even thinking that you are bored is a thought and so just trying hard not to think is not the correct way. Instead one has to adopt a mantra which bascially slowly becomes the focus of your thoughts and your mind slowly starts to discard all other thoughts bar the mantra. Then slowly the mantra will also go and you will transcend. Its at this point when you finally do transcend that you start the connect. This kind of aligns to the verses in the quran instructing us to use a monotoen mid range voice to say salat (this maybe the mantra effect that is required to clear our heads?)
The feeling is rather euphoric and amazing i have to say and you really do become aquinted with your inner self and you actually see everything so much more clearly. After this expereince i have come to some conclusions about this whole thing.
-Quran tells us that god created us in his image and breathed his spirit into us, he is closer than the jugular vien and omnipresent. He has all the attributes that we seek and they are infiinite. All other religions underneath the rituals, legends and fables have the same basic message. This has clearly been distorted over time by ALL religions inclduing so called what you see today islam.
- Science proves that when we meditate or pray a part of our brain that is also now known as the "god part" becomes active and is ONLY active at the time of these types of activities. To me this may be the line or connection? When that part becomes active then you are in the correct state to make a connection or "transcend". http//www.godpart.com/
- TM claims the following - Once you transend you enter into a pool of infinitive love, peace, clarity. everything that god promises a "believer". We can start to control the universe and its effect on us as individuals....http//www.tm.org/benefits-of-meditation
- These side effects can be true of any type of meditation which also includes fasting which leads me to believe that is why the god ordererd us and the prophets to fast as this seems to purifies us in a way that helps us get divine assistance or enables our physical self to transend into our spiritual self. The lack of food helps our brain clear as the thoughts of food begin to over power all other thoughts and slowly even that thought goes leaving us to easily transcend when we pray.
My logic has never failed me therefore, I have come to the conclusion that organised religion should not exist at all and was never intended to exist. God is not looking for our worship but knows that this act of worship will bring us closer to our goal (if only we knew). God does not need our rituals or our religion, we do not need to go around the kaaba or any other shrine for that matter. However i do think now (and thought is something that evolves, so this may change over time also) that we are here to learn some things,to agree on some things and with that knowledge we can become the celestial beings we so strive to be in the next life. This knowledge or clarity will not come if we do not "kill our ego" , discard "religion" and do not transend.
Its only when we become aquinted with our real self (the spirit) we unlock the code of life and beyond. Our purpose is not to gain the wealth and name in this world but rather is all about rediscovering our real self and learn the key things we need to know in order to get to the higher place (higher doesnt mean heaven but more higher intellect or dimension). This is why the true believers will never be short of anything they desire. They will create their own destiny through the powers vested in them by the creator. He wants us to strive and this is what that struggle is about in my opinion and nothing else matters.
It all sounds rather complicated but just close your eyes and find a word or mantra that you want and off you go. The possibilities are limitless and only by trying will you expereince this. At no point in any of this is there shirk or any other negative things. Negative is something our ego tells us. Ignore that and your good to go. I hope my thoughts make sense if not then at least i tried.
I hope my expereince inspires someone and becomes a catalyst for others to attempt transending.
Peace
Affy
p.s - I am exteremly excited about the article that one of the authors of a post is writing where meditation is explored in the Quran. Of course its in there, we just have to decipher it and bring it to light inshallah.
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Peace affy,
Just do not forget the Communion (salah) in a moderate tone. Meaning having a connection to God. Well, I will be revealing more about that in my Nearness and Guidance thread. But you are right that you ought to meditate for quite some time per day to be optimally serving God as per chapter 73 of 'The Book' (Qur'an).
God bless you
ps. I think I could agree that the title of the thread is inappropriate.
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'Meditation in the Qur-an' is a topic that I am currently writing for discussions in 'Sufism Without Borders' (on yahoogroups). And I hope to post the same article on FM too, since I have noticed that past discussions on 'meditation' in FM has been somewhat sporadic.
In the intended article i will, insha allah, be discussing on the origins and types of meditations, perhaps on how to perform meditations, the objectives and benefits, as well as what could happen to us when we perform meditations. The meditations by Moosa will undoubtedly be a special highlight, as also the meditations by Muhammad the nabiyy.
I will post the article as soon as possible but i sensed that it may take a week or two, or perhaps even a month or two to prepare based on the notes that I have made in my studies of the Qur-an.
May God guide us all correctly.
Cheers!
Mohammed NohSalam all,
The article is still in the works. But I'll post it as soon it is ready.
Apologies in the meantime.
mohammed noh
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If you read the first post in the thread it is clear that the title is a suggestion for discussion not an absolute statement, therefore it cannot be blasphemous.
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Everywhere there is the presence of God, and nowhere is there no presence of God.
God is not separate from I or you - therefore I am God and you are God, we are all God!
Discuss....
Good question and not blasphemous at all.
God encompasses and includes all things.
Existence encompasses and includes all things.
We are in existence/we are a part of existence. Being a part of existence is not the same as being existence.
So we are not God just as we are not existence. -
Must Read and try to understand what I want you to make you understand
On a fundamental level almighty is formless and beyound the quality of nature if you disagree with this statement it means you're saying that he requires his senses to perform any job.A formless God is capable of acquiring any form a/c to his will means he manifest himself in different forms so by this principal this whole cosmos is a manifestation of God and thats why everything is God
Now comes the problem that if every thing is God than when everything destroys than God should also extinct no it is not possible ,as tides emerges from ocean exists in it and dissolved in it and basicaly the ocean and the tides are one similarly this whole cosmos originates from God exist in him and dissolves in him and basically they are one
Those who don't beleive in panthiesm I want to ask only one question that if in the beginning when there was only presence of God than name the material from which he created this whole cosmos?
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Everywhere there is the presence of God, and nowhere is there no presence of God.
God is not separate from I or you - therefore I am God and you are God, we are all God!
Discuss....
Great topic. . I believe we are but not in that sense since . . .
Say, "He is Allah , One,
Allah , the Eternal Refuge.
He neither begets nor is born,
Nor is there to Him any equivalent."
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A song that sounds to me like the singer is saying we/us (i.e. consciousness) is God. Used in The Lion King Movie(s), video can be found on Youtube. The song by itself is beautiful, here are the lyrics...
?He Lives In You? (Reprise) lyrics
Music and Lyrics by Mark Mancina, Jay Rifkin, and Lebo M
Performed by Tsiidi Le Loka and Jason RaizeNight and the spirit of life calling mamela
And a voice just the fear of a child answers mamelaUbu khosi bo khokho
We ndodana ye sizwe sonkeWait, there's no mountain too great
Hear the words and have faith
Have faithHe lives in you
He lives in meHe watches over
Everything we see
Into the water
Into the truth
In your reflection
He lives in youHe lives in you
He lives in me
He watches over
Everything we see
Into the water
Into the truth
In your reflection
He lives in youHe lives in you
He lives in you
He lives in you
He lives in youHe lives in you
He lives in me
He watches over
Everything we see
Into the water
Into the truth
In your reflection
He lives in youHe lives in you
He lives in me
He watches over
Everything we see
Into the water
Into the truth
In your reflection
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If consciousness is God than who created humans before we became conscious/god. Maybe space aliens - annunaki to mine gold for them? rotfl
This is nothing but modern age BS, intoduction to one world religion by these guys
http//www.christianworldviewinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/New-World-Order.jpg
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Peace.
What one is conscious of is what is one's truth.
God be praised, he says He is the truth manifested
024025 Pickthal
On that day Allah will pay them their just due, and they will know that Allah, He is the Manifest Truth.Ergo, human consciousness = God as we know Him
...or simply We are God!
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Peace.
What one is conscious of is what is one's truth.
God be praised, he says He is the truth manifested
024025 Pickthal
On that day Allah will pay them their just due, and they will know that Allah, He is the Manifest Truth.Ergo, human consciousness = God as we know Him
...or simply We are God!
You didnt answer my question.
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I thought I did but maybe you just need to try thinking laterally...
If consciousness is God than who created humans before we became conscious/god
The answer to a question is usually in the question itself. In this case
Question If consciousness is God than who created humans before we became conscious/god
Answer Before we were created as humans we were consciousness/God.
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The following is apt I think
The Encyclopedia of Celtic Mythology and Folklore
By Patricia Monaghan"...Implicit in monotheism is dualism, in that whatever is not ?god? becomes ?not-god?; thus monotheistic religion is inclined to develop a theology that includes evil.''
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Everything you said here Jane goes against the Quran, you even reject the existance of evil. Pharaoh said that he is god and we all know how he finished ;D
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg-55VLQw04
If you read the quote properly it was pointing out that evil can be as much a part of monotheism as other religious/philosophical thinking. Even if you have rejected polytheism, the trinity, hadith etc that does not mean you are automatically 'safe'. If you are still worshipping a god-like 'great power in the sky' persona, even if it is only one of them...I think this is still idol worship.
And as far as I remember Pharaoh claimed the people in Egypt should worship him, he did not say he was God. He did not believe in what he saw as the one god of the Israelites - why would he claim to be something even he didn't believe in?
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Some people could benefit from thinking laterally I think. Yes humans are not God and God is not human; but I mean the part of us that is not physical, our souls, our awareness is either what God is/may be/or is how God reveals himself to us - as us, I think...
Food for thought eat When alcoholics go on their famous 12-step recovery programme, a huge part, if not their main focus, I believe, is submission to their 'Higher Self' (as they avoid the name God)...en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve-step_program. It apparently has high success rates for those who stick at it and has been adopted by other groups seeking relief from addictions. What is your 'Higher Self' then? It is/may be God, I think.
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Some people could benefit from thinking laterally I think. Yes humans are not God and God is not human; but I mean the part of us that is not physical, our souls, our awareness is either what God is/may be/or is how God reveals himself to us - as us, I think...
Food for thought eat When alcoholics go on their famous 12-step recovery programme, a huge part, if not their main focus, I believe, is submission to their 'Higher Self' (as they avoid the name God)...en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve-step_program. It apparently has high success rates for those who stick at it and has been adopted by other groups seeking relief from addictions. What is your 'Higher Self' then? It is/may be God, I think.
You should stop believing in everything you read on internet.
I have been thinking about this years ago and I dont really believe in that. Part of you that is not physical is your soul. Your soul is your 'higher self', your mind, your awarness and consciousness. Meditation is also known as "Deep Thinking", buddhists and sufi muslims use meditation to activate their "third eye", basically what they do is looking at their "higher self", their soul, their mind, part of us that never die.
Your soul is a software that runs in a hardware(your body), it is a creation not a Creator.