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We are God

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    unknownuser
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    If you read the first post in the thread it is clear that the title is a suggestion for discussion not an absolute statement, therefore it cannot be blasphemous.

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      nimnimak_11
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      Everywhere there is the presence of God, and nowhere is there no presence of God.

      God is not separate from I or you - therefore I am God and you are God, we are all God!

      Discuss....

      Good question and not blasphemous at all.

      God encompasses and includes all things.
      Existence encompasses and includes all things.
      We are in existence/we are a part of existence. Being a part of existence is not the same as being existence.
      So we are not God just as we are not existence.

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        Kumar_Varun
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        Must Read and try to understand what I want you to make you understand

        On a fundamental level almighty is formless and beyound the quality of nature if you disagree with this statement it means you're saying that he requires his senses to perform any job.A formless God is capable of acquiring any form a/c to his will means he manifest himself in different forms so by this principal this whole cosmos is a manifestation of God and thats why everything is God

        Now comes the problem that if every thing is God than when everything destroys than God should also extinct no it is not possible ,as tides emerges from ocean exists in it and dissolved in it and basicaly the ocean and the tides are one similarly this whole cosmos originates from God exist in him and dissolves in him and basically they are one

        Those who don't beleive in panthiesm I want to ask only one question that if in the beginning when there was only presence of God than name the material from which he created this whole cosmos?

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          muslims
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          Everywhere there is the presence of God, and nowhere is there no presence of God.

          God is not separate from I or you - therefore I am God and you are God, we are all God!

          Discuss....

          Great topic. . I believe we are but not in that sense since . . .

          Say, "He is Allah , One,
          Allah , the Eternal Refuge.
          He neither begets nor is born,
          Nor is there to Him any equivalent."
          112

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            Jane
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            A song that sounds to me like the singer is saying we/us (i.e. consciousness) is God. Used in The Lion King Movie(s), video can be found on Youtube. The song by itself is beautiful, here are the lyrics...

            ?He Lives In You? (Reprise) lyrics

            Music and Lyrics by Mark Mancina, Jay Rifkin, and Lebo M
            Performed by Tsiidi Le Loka and Jason Raize

            Night and the spirit of life calling mamela
            And a voice just the fear of a child answers mamela

            Ubu khosi bo khokho
            We ndodana ye sizwe sonke

            Wait, there's no mountain too great
            Hear the words and have faith
            Have faith

            He lives in you
            He lives in me

            He watches over
            Everything we see
            Into the water
            Into the truth
            In your reflection
            He lives in you

            He lives in you
            He lives in me
            He watches over
            Everything we see
            Into the water
            Into the truth
            In your reflection
            He lives in you

            He lives in you
            He lives in you
            He lives in you
            He lives in you

            He lives in you

            He lives in me

            He watches over
            Everything we see
            Into the water
            Into the truth
            In your reflection
            He lives in you

            He lives in you
            He lives in me
            He watches over
            Everything we see
            Into the water
            Into the truth
            In your reflection
            He lives in you

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              Sonny
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              If consciousness is God than who created humans before we became conscious/god. Maybe space aliens - annunaki to mine gold for them? rotfl

              This is nothing but modern age BS, intoduction to one world religion by these guys

              http//www.christianworldviewinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/New-World-Order.jpg

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                Jane
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                Peace.

                What one is conscious of is what is one's truth.

                God be praised, he says He is the truth manifested

                024025 Pickthal
                On that day Allah will pay them their just due, and they will know that Allah, He is the Manifest Truth.

                Ergo, human consciousness = God as we know Him

                ...or simply We are God!

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                  Sonny
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                  Peace.

                  What one is conscious of is what is one's truth.

                  God be praised, he says He is the truth manifested

                  024025 Pickthal
                  On that day Allah will pay them their just due, and they will know that Allah, He is the Manifest Truth.

                  Ergo, human consciousness = God as we know Him

                  ...or simply We are God!

                  You didnt answer my question.

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                    Jane
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                    I thought I did but maybe you just need to try thinking laterally...

                    If consciousness is God than who created humans before we became conscious/god

                    The answer to a question is usually in the question itself. In this case

                    Question If consciousness is God than who created humans before we became conscious/god

                    Answer Before we were created as humans we were consciousness/God.

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                      Jane
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                      The following is apt I think

                      The Encyclopedia of Celtic Mythology and Folklore
                      By Patricia Monaghan

                      "...Implicit in monotheism is dualism, in that whatever is not ?god? becomes ?not-god?; thus monotheistic religion is inclined to develop a theology that includes evil.''

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                        Sonny
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                        Everything you said here Jane goes against the Quran, you even reject the existance of evil. Pharaoh said that he is god and we all know how he finished ;D

                        https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg-55VLQw04

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                          muslims
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                          it is not possible. . .

                          He neither begets nor is born

                          Allah has not created another being from Himself
                          and no other being has originated into existence from the existence of Allah

                          The truth, we don't know.

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                            Jane
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                            Everything you said here Jane goes against the Quran, you even reject the existance of evil. Pharaoh said that he is god and we all know how he finished ;D

                            https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg-55VLQw04

                            If you read the quote properly it was pointing out that evil can be as much a part of monotheism as other religious/philosophical thinking. Even if you have rejected polytheism, the trinity, hadith etc that does not mean you are automatically 'safe'. If you are still worshipping a god-like 'great power in the sky' persona, even if it is only one of them...I think this is still idol worship.

                            And as far as I remember Pharaoh claimed the people in Egypt should worship him, he did not say he was God. He did not believe in what he saw as the one god of the Israelites - why would he claim to be something even he didn't believe in?

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                              Jane
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                              Some people could benefit from thinking laterally I think. Yes humans are not God and God is not human; but I mean the part of us that is not physical, our souls, our awareness is either what God is/may be/or is how God reveals himself to us - as us, I think...

                              Food for thought eat When alcoholics go on their famous 12-step recovery programme, a huge part, if not their main focus, I believe, is submission to their 'Higher Self' (as they avoid the name God)...en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve-step_program. It apparently has high success rates for those who stick at it and has been adopted by other groups seeking relief from addictions. What is your 'Higher Self' then? It is/may be God, I think.

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                                Sonny
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                                Some people could benefit from thinking laterally I think. Yes humans are not God and God is not human; but I mean the part of us that is not physical, our souls, our awareness is either what God is/may be/or is how God reveals himself to us - as us, I think...

                                Food for thought eat When alcoholics go on their famous 12-step recovery programme, a huge part, if not their main focus, I believe, is submission to their 'Higher Self' (as they avoid the name God)...en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve-step_program. It apparently has high success rates for those who stick at it and has been adopted by other groups seeking relief from addictions. What is your 'Higher Self' then? It is/may be God, I think.

                                You should stop believing in everything you read on internet.
                                I have been thinking about this years ago and I dont really believe in that. Part of you that is not physical is your soul. Your soul is your 'higher self', your mind, your awarness and consciousness. Meditation is also known as "Deep Thinking", buddhists and sufi muslims use meditation to activate their "third eye", basically what they do is looking at their "higher self", their soul, their mind, part of us that never die.
                                Your soul is a software that runs in a hardware(your body), it is a creation not a Creator.

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                                  Sabeel_Ameer
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                                  Some sufis had this idea, like Abu bisthami, Al hallaaj etc. At the height of their delirium, at the state of fanaa, they have declared themselves God. They declared 'an al haq/ i am the truth ' and believed they and God had become one. Al hallaaj was later executed for saying hajj can be done spiritually from within one's own home.

                                  But this belief were already in hinduism which is called 'aham brahmasmi / i am the absolute God' . Nowadays the shaivite sanyasis who has this kind of beliefs usually use ganja and other drugs.

                                  A shock treatment might cure this.

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                                    Man_of_Faith
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                                    Peace Sonny,

                                    Good similitude. Soul is software while our body is just (temporary) hardware on which this software is running. It works for simpler allegorical talk but not into deeper ones.

                                    God bless you

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                                      Ikrame
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                                      We are not god we are his creation. If we were we could create it doesn t matter how spiritual you are you won t be on that level we are subjected to the law of nature

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                                        Man_of_Faith
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                                        Peace,

                                        By the leave of God we would be able to create actually. If God wanted we could wield powers much like God, but that would still be a creation of God. God can create just about anything. And if God wanted we could do things like in Star Wars. Everything is possible, nothing is impossible.

                                        Now that would be a bit too unsubtle if people ran around pushing things around with the Force and could strangle their opponents with the Force unless they submitted. Too exaggerated a sign.

                                        God bless you

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                                          Ikrame
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                                          I wouldn't mind riding a unicorn. But yeah if god wanted it would be possible.

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