I am God

JavaLatte

Can you quote my contradictory statement ?

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I believe that the actual word means "Contravener" ,

or we could say that it is more accurate to say it is. . .

It is not "Disbeliever", "Rejecter", "Denier", or even "Opposition"

On the above post, you said that

I believe that the actual word means "Contravener",

You also said that

It is not "Disbeliever", "Rejecter", "Denier", or even "Opposition"

Conclusion from your post ---> "muslims" believe that "Contravener" is not "Disbeliever"

However, later on... you said otherwise...

Disbeliever = Contravener

JavaLatte

Yeah that sounds contradictory...

That's not sound, but indeed contradictory statements.

Peace.

muslims

However, later on... you said otherwise...

Okay, you misunderstood, or careless, or quote mining . . .

I was speaking about "Covenant", and the symbol (=) does not infer that I agree the Disbeliever is the Contravener. . .

Read the post before it. . .

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606576.msg351236#msg351236
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606576.msg351237#msg351237

I believe no one should use "oppose" if it is related to breach of contract or breach/violation of law and order, it is quite absurd to use that term. Go ask any lawyers, or those with legal backgrounds. . . What terms they used when speaking in court or drafting legal documents? "Oppose" or "in contravention"? . . . Therefore, it is quite absurd to use the term "disbeliever", "rejecter", "denier", "opposition" when it is relating to the violation of law and order in the Quran, when it is relating to "compliance".

However and when we used the word "contravene", people will asked contravene what ? Therefore, people will be reminded and the context will be closely related to their Covenant with God, ie. their promises and the terms and conditions of their Covenant in the Quran. All these terms and conditions is referring to Islam, and Muslim are those who obey their promises to God. The non Muslim are those who breach or in contravention of their Covenant. The focus is now on the Quran, on balance and justice . . . and not on belief that cannot be proven through facts. It is about balance, and it is about justice.

and then I said (together with the definition of Conformers). . .

Disbeliever = Contravener
Muslim = Conformer

Therefore, the symbol (=) means the Disbeliever should be changed and means Contravener

and the word Muslim, should be changed and means Conformer

because it is about breach of covenant with Allah . . .

So, where is the contradiction ?

JavaLatte

Okay, you misunderstood, or careless, or quote mining . . .

NO.

The symbol (=) does not infer that I agree the Disbeliever is the Contravener. . .

Oh really?? ..... perhaps what you need is this "".

Peace.

muslims

It is up to you. . . the facts and context are very clear and you can keep pretending to yourself. laugh

. . .

Oh really?? ..... perhaps what you need is this "".

Huh ? What does that suppose to mean with my explanation ?

Disbeliever Contravener
Muslim Conformer

Everyone knows the words is not the same. . .so does it means it should not be changed to Contravener and Conformer? rotfl

JavaLatte

Everyone knows the words is not the same. . .so does it means it should not be changed to Contravener and Conformer? rotfl

Yeah... perhaps you can also try to LOL at yourself in the hereafter.

I'm glad that you are not God.

muslims

I see, you already know I'll will be in Hell . . as you wish, and no problem, I'll be very glad to live in Hell!! laugh

p.s. please study logic.

JavaLatte

I see, you already know I'll will be in Hell . . as you wish, and no problem, I love living in Hell!! laugh

You love living in Hell. OK, no problem for me. We shall see then...

So, I'll quote your statement. Perhaps I need to check it again later if you already get there.

p.s. please study logic.

Bold You need that.

muslims

You love living in Hell. OK, no problem for me. We shall see then...

I think you stuck with that same level of faith of 5-10 years old kids

Islam 101. . . hell, paradise, angels, satan, fire, lightening . bla. bla. etc . .

it is your main motivation for obeying Allah. . the same level of faith when you are a kid. laugh

Bold You need that.

That's explain a lot.

JavaLatte

I think you stuck with that same level of faith of 5-10 years old kids

Islam 101. . . hell, paradise, angels, fire, lightening . bla. bla. etc . .

it is your main motivation for obeying Allah. . the same level of faith when you are a kid. laugh

See? That's explain a lot.

What you said also explain about yourself.

And, your brainless opinion about me is worthless.

For me, it's better to die as a kid than to die as someone like you.

I don't want to be a person with the belief (whatever it is) you have.

muslims

For me, it's better to die as a kid than to die as someone like you.

Yeah, a kid who are stuck in a grown up human body
Then. . a kid who are stuck in an old woman. . . very sad.

So. tell me. . what will you you have in Paradise ? Chocolate ? laugh

JavaLatte

So. tell me. . what will you you have in Paradise ? Chocolate ? laugh

Perhaps...

And I wonder what you'll have after you die? Do you know?

muslims

And I wonder what you'll have after you die? Do you know?

Huh ? You don't know ? I thought you know everything that Allah knows ?

Okay, I tell you. . . .I'm in hell and live happily ever after, and I never die because I keep on living , again and again and again. . laugh

JavaLatte

Okay, I tell you. . . .I'm in hell and live happily ever after, and I never die because I keep on living , again and again and again. . laugh

So, that's what you think?

If you want to live in Hell, then it's fine, no problem for me. )

So, whether you believe that you'll undergo Allah's court after you die?

muslims

So, that's what you think?

If you want to live in Hell, then it's fine, no problem for me. )

Huh? Now you don't agree with your contention ?

Hell and paradise is only for people like you, you live, you die, and you become rotten to ashes. .not me. . . I am God, you forgot? laugh

JavaLatte

I am God, you forgot? laugh

You are not God. )

And I ask you again

Whether you believe that you'll undergo Allah's court after you die?

muslims

Whether you believe that you'll undergo Allah's court after you die?

So you have judge me

To be the hell nation
Allah is always on your side, and you know what Allah wishes.
You manipulate what I said, and pretending that I'm wrong.
Now you want to judge me as a Kafir.

Is that your wishes ?

Fine. . I'm a Kafir. . . does that make you feel better and superior to other human beings ? laugh

JavaLatte

@ muslims

Whether you believe that you'll undergo Allah's court after you die?

YES or NO?

muslims

I said it, No. . I am a Kafir. . so what's next ? Choose the best that you can. . . laugh

muslims

Huh ? None ? Does that makes your "GOD" happy and superior to others? laugh