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I am God

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    muslims
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    ? ? ? ? ? ?

    This is interesting and the issue is there are creations, but no one can prove existence. . .

    and yes, existence and reality always exist, but can you prove it exist ?

    refer here http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqnEGu8VF8Y

    Therefore, we know nothing about existence, and this corroborates with the facts that there is "No God" (0). .

    not about us. . but about our "sense perception", deaf, dumb and blind. . .

    Deaf, dumb and blind - so they will not return. (2.1

    and we don't realize the reality because "I am God" (1)

    Being living in our dreams/nightmares, and being blinded by our own spotlights. .

    . . .

    Whether sunlight existed ?

    https//encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbnANd9GcQR18cHEgb33sFDTkOC19PasfYjIuLU9agXQRaz_tdem9e0sqZk

    Or it is the sun ?

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      JavaLatte
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      "Muslims", you also ever post contradictory statements on another thread.

      In fact, between you and "Jane" is not really aligned on this issue.

      To me, you're both just agreed in the statement (sentence) which is the title of this thread.

      Peace.

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        muslims
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        "Muslims", you also ever post contradictory statements on another thread.

        Can you quote my contradictory statement ?

        or perhaps . . . you misunderstood it ?

        In fact, between you and "Jane" is not really aligned on this issue.

        To me, you're both just agreed in the statement (sentence) which is the title of this thread.

        Yes, I think we both agreed that it is "nonsense" to claim anything about Allah

        Allah this, Allah that, Allah this, Allah that. . bla. . . bla. . . bla. . . bla. . . "nonsense"

        Awareness of what? All that is. Which is what? Awareness. Which part does God fit into then?

        and further, that's the point, no one knows about Allah. . . and no can claim knowing what Allah feels about them.

        it is evidence based, if you are a believer. . prove it
        prove that you obey all the commands and make use your sense perception and achieve something to benefit the humanity.
        simple living and no nonsense. . .

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          Jane
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          Yes 'Rachel84' was one of my old usernames.

          I do not agree with muslims on everything but I think he is right about 'Allah' not being understood correctly by most people, maybe by anyone? but I think we are having a shot at it at least...

          'Humans are created...there is no creation'

          Yeah that sounds contradictory...Erm what I was trying to say was yes humans are created as in our physical bodies have come from our parents, grown bigger through nourishment etc. But that the 'creation story' i.e. that first there was nothing and then there was the universe, the 'big bang' theory etc I do not think is true. First there was nothing and then there was something - huh? Physics tells us that energy cannot be created or destroyed, everything is infinity. So it is like, going round in a circle. Unless we have the belief that 'nothing' is also a facet of 'awareness' which is also a way of understanding God. Whatever - my head is hurting so much now!

          I like this

          http//blogs.blueletterbible.org/blb/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2011/08/selfexistent.jpg

          Peace.

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            JavaLatte
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            Can you quote my contradictory statement ?

            http//2.bp.blogspot.com/-DmpDnnNLJ9A/U2zoZf8lyyI/AAAAAAAAHVI/Z_4P3QTQZng/s1600/downwards-arrow.png http//2.bp.blogspot.com/-DmpDnnNLJ9A/U2zoZf8lyyI/AAAAAAAAHVI/Z_4P3QTQZng/s1600/downwards-arrow.png http//2.bp.blogspot.com/-DmpDnnNLJ9A/U2zoZf8lyyI/AAAAAAAAHVI/Z_4P3QTQZng/s1600/downwards-arrow.png

            I believe that the actual word means "Contravener" ,

            or we could say that it is more accurate to say it is. . .

            It is not "Disbeliever", "Rejecter", "Denier", or even "Opposition"

            On the above post, you said that

            I believe that the actual word means "Contravener",

            You also said that

            It is not "Disbeliever", "Rejecter", "Denier", or even "Opposition"

            Conclusion from your post ---> "muslims" believe that "Contravener" is not "Disbeliever"

            However, later on... you said otherwise...

            Disbeliever = Contravener

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              JavaLatte
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              #51

              Yeah that sounds contradictory...

              That's not sound, but indeed contradictory statements.

              Peace.

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                muslims
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                However, later on... you said otherwise...

                Okay, you misunderstood, or careless, or quote mining . . .

                I was speaking about "Covenant", and the symbol (=) does not infer that I agree the Disbeliever is the Contravener. . .

                Read the post before it. . .

                http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606576.msg351236#msg351236
                http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606576.msg351237#msg351237

                I believe no one should use "oppose" if it is related to breach of contract or breach/violation of law and order, it is quite absurd to use that term. Go ask any lawyers, or those with legal backgrounds. . . What terms they used when speaking in court or drafting legal documents? "Oppose" or "in contravention"? . . . Therefore, it is quite absurd to use the term "disbeliever", "rejecter", "denier", "opposition" when it is relating to the violation of law and order in the Quran, when it is relating to "compliance".

                However and when we used the word "contravene", people will asked contravene what ? Therefore, people will be reminded and the context will be closely related to their Covenant with God, ie. their promises and the terms and conditions of their Covenant in the Quran. All these terms and conditions is referring to Islam, and Muslim are those who obey their promises to God. The non Muslim are those who breach or in contravention of their Covenant. The focus is now on the Quran, on balance and justice . . . and not on belief that cannot be proven through facts. It is about balance, and it is about justice.

                and then I said (together with the definition of Conformers). . .

                Disbeliever = Contravener
                Muslim = Conformer

                Therefore, the symbol (=) means the Disbeliever should be changed and means Contravener

                and the word Muslim, should be changed and means Conformer

                because it is about breach of covenant with Allah . . .

                So, where is the contradiction ?

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                  JavaLatte
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                  Okay, you misunderstood, or careless, or quote mining . . .

                  NO.

                  The symbol (=) does not infer that I agree the Disbeliever is the Contravener. . .

                  Oh really?? ..... perhaps what you need is this "".

                  Peace.

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                    muslims
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                    It is up to you. . . the facts and context are very clear and you can keep pretending to yourself. laugh

                    . . .

                    Oh really?? ..... perhaps what you need is this "".

                    Huh ? What does that suppose to mean with my explanation ?

                    Disbeliever Contravener
                    Muslim Conformer

                    Everyone knows the words is not the same. . .so does it means it should not be changed to Contravener and Conformer? rotfl

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                      JavaLatte
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                      Everyone knows the words is not the same. . .so does it means it should not be changed to Contravener and Conformer? rotfl

                      Yeah... perhaps you can also try to LOL at yourself in the hereafter.

                      I'm glad that you are not God.

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                        muslims
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                        I see, you already know I'll will be in Hell . . as you wish, and no problem, I'll be very glad to live in Hell!! laugh

                        p.s. please study logic.

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                          JavaLatte
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                          I see, you already know I'll will be in Hell . . as you wish, and no problem, I love living in Hell!! laugh

                          You love living in Hell. OK, no problem for me. We shall see then...

                          So, I'll quote your statement. Perhaps I need to check it again later if you already get there.

                          p.s. please study logic.

                          Bold You need that.

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                            muslims
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                            You love living in Hell. OK, no problem for me. We shall see then...

                            I think you stuck with that same level of faith of 5-10 years old kids

                            Islam 101. . . hell, paradise, angels, satan, fire, lightening . bla. bla. etc . .

                            it is your main motivation for obeying Allah. . the same level of faith when you are a kid. laugh

                            Bold You need that.

                            That's explain a lot.

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                              JavaLatte
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                              I think you stuck with that same level of faith of 5-10 years old kids

                              Islam 101. . . hell, paradise, angels, fire, lightening . bla. bla. etc . .

                              it is your main motivation for obeying Allah. . the same level of faith when you are a kid. laugh

                              See? That's explain a lot.

                              What you said also explain about yourself.

                              And, your brainless opinion about me is worthless.

                              For me, it's better to die as a kid than to die as someone like you.

                              I don't want to be a person with the belief (whatever it is) you have.

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                                muslims
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                                For me, it's better to die as a kid than to die as someone like you.

                                Yeah, a kid who are stuck in a grown up human body
                                Then. . a kid who are stuck in an old woman. . . very sad.

                                So. tell me. . what will you you have in Paradise ? Chocolate ? laugh

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                                  JavaLatte
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                                  So. tell me. . what will you you have in Paradise ? Chocolate ? laugh

                                  Perhaps...

                                  And I wonder what you'll have after you die? Do you know?

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                                    muslims
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                                    And I wonder what you'll have after you die? Do you know?

                                    Huh ? You don't know ? I thought you know everything that Allah knows ?

                                    Okay, I tell you. . . .I'm in hell and live happily ever after, and I never die because I keep on living , again and again and again. . laugh

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                                      JavaLatte
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                                      Okay, I tell you. . . .I'm in hell and live happily ever after, and I never die because I keep on living , again and again and again. . laugh

                                      So, that's what you think?

                                      If you want to live in Hell, then it's fine, no problem for me. )

                                      So, whether you believe that you'll undergo Allah's court after you die?

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                                        muslims
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                                        So, that's what you think?

                                        If you want to live in Hell, then it's fine, no problem for me. )

                                        Huh? Now you don't agree with your contention ?

                                        Hell and paradise is only for people like you, you live, you die, and you become rotten to ashes. .not me. . . I am God, you forgot? laugh

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                                          JavaLatte
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                                          I am God, you forgot? laugh

                                          You are not God. )

                                          And I ask you again

                                          Whether you believe that you'll undergo Allah's court after you die?

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