I am God
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Dear muslims,
May peace be upon you.
Can you please give us a single verse from the entire Quran, just one single verse from the whole Quran where Allah directly / unambiguously tells us that we are gods?
Nobody ever said that. That is a blasphemy yes.
Experiencing God/awareness as 'the one' as our true experience of ourselves is not, that is the difference.
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Peace,
'Nor is there any equivalent to Him"
No. Obviously not because God is way beyond any other being in power. Hence no equivalent.
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The word God/Allah is not referring to anyone except the The Master.
No religion/sect I can agree with, but no god I do not buy. Try another tale too.
The above doesn't explain the inconsistency, ie. the "duality of matter and/or concept". . ie. "equivalent" of idea and concept, ie. Godhood etc. .
(sometimes it may become some form of Shirk, or forgiven)other than repeatedly insist that it is not true. . . and other irrelevant statements.
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"If it was from anyone other than God they would have found discrepancies"
This phrase is implying that the reader reflects upon the divine origin of the recitation and not your misplaced statement.
Of course it is including the translation and interpretation
How could people understand/compare the message of the Quran if they did not translate and interpret it? confused
Here is the rule for correct interpretation
Do they not reflect on the Qur'an? <-- is referring to the interpretation
If it was from any other than God <-- wrong interpretation
they would have found in it many a discrepancy. <-- if there is discrepancy, it is not the correct interpretation
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There is the "law of cause and effect"
God/god or deity is the "effect"
The "cause" is human "desires". . .
From these "desires", they create religions, kill etc. . .
Therefore, I believe . . .
God/god = Human Desires . . .
No God = No Desires (ie. which inconsistent with the Quran)
God is desire, God is dreams. . .
Have you seen the one who takes as his god his own desire?
Then would you be responsible for him?
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Peace,
I.e, you do not think there is a superpower in the galaxies. What do you get from reading the book called "Quran"? It is quite absurd to say it is idolatry to have faith in that superpower.
And sure we have a part of God in some ways as we are on the same platform, and we live within that platform. But as for God that is a tremendously greater power than us weaklings of humans. We are creations.
With your thinking you will need to explain the creation and how it came into existence. It will likely lack a viable explanation. Your faith is approximately similar to those who do not have faith at all, god or not, atheists.
Yourself as "the One"?
I am guessing this is aimed at me so I will answer.
I do not think there is a superpower in the galaxies no, I think there is awareness which can bring into existence anything at all. Like 'the force' in the star wars movies, they are aware of it, do they think it is separate from them? No. So how have we created this 'God' persona that is separate from us? Idolatry is so common do we think we have magically escaped it just 'cause we don't associate with religious folk? The Quran constantly says to 'be aware' that is mainly what I get from it.
Human bodies are creations yes, but our experience of ourselves as humans is nothing but awareness I think. Awareness of what? All that is. Which is what? Awareness. Which part does God fit into then? I do not understand it myself entirely and I think that is impossible anyway. All I know is that the current 'God persona' idea feels wrong. There is no creation and there was never a point that anything 'came' into existence. That is how we understand the physical world as a linear thing but really everything has existed for eternity I think.
Not 'myself' as the one no, but what I experience as 'the one' yes.
Peace.
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Apparently this guy knows how to experience Allah/Yahweh/God/awareness/the Master/our higher selves/the One.
http//www.deida.info/books/finding-god-through-sex
Have not tried it though, lol.
From the description on the site
"...Deida brings wisdom gained from 30 years of work with thousands of couples to illustrate the distinct yet complementary avenues men and women can skillfully travel toward untamed passion and sacred unity. What unfolds is an unparalleled roadmap to the place where we love as the cosmos loves One loving itself as an other, yet remembering itself as One.
Ta dah!
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Human bodies are creations yes,
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There is no creation and there was never a point that anything 'came' into existence.
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Btw, are you and "Rachel84" is the same person?
Peace.
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Sometimes I wonder whether all the words is correctly translated as "god" and so that they can make Islam as a "religion" (ب
Alif-Lam-ha = to serve, worship or adore; to protect, grant refuge, preserve save, rescue, liberate; object of worship ie God; (Alif-Lam-Lam-ha) God, the one true God applied as a proper name denoting the true god, comprising all the excellent divine names; a unity comprising all the essences of existing things.
Lane's Lexicon, Volume 1, pages 119- 120
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This is interesting and the issue is there are creations, but no one can prove existence. . .
and yes, existence and reality always exist, but can you prove it exist ?
refer here http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqnEGu8VF8Y
Therefore, we know nothing about existence, and this corroborates with the facts that there is "No God" (0). .
not about us. . but about our "sense perception", deaf, dumb and blind. . .
Deaf, dumb and blind - so they will not return. (2.1
and we don't realize the reality because "I am God" (1)
Being living in our dreams/nightmares, and being blinded by our own spotlights. .
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Whether sunlight existed ?
https//encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbnANd9GcQR18cHEgb33sFDTkOC19PasfYjIuLU9agXQRaz_tdem9e0sqZk
Or it is the sun ?
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"Muslims", you also ever post contradictory statements on another thread.
Can you quote my contradictory statement ?
or perhaps . . . you misunderstood it ?
In fact, between you and "Jane" is not really aligned on this issue.
To me, you're both just agreed in the statement (sentence) which is the title of this thread.
Yes, I think we both agreed that it is "nonsense" to claim anything about Allah
Allah this, Allah that, Allah this, Allah that. . bla. . . bla. . . bla. . . bla. . . "nonsense"
Awareness of what? All that is. Which is what? Awareness. Which part does God fit into then?
and further, that's the point, no one knows about Allah. . . and no can claim knowing what Allah feels about them.
it is evidence based, if you are a believer. . prove it
prove that you obey all the commands and make use your sense perception and achieve something to benefit the humanity.
simple living and no nonsense. . . -
Yes 'Rachel84' was one of my old usernames.
I do not agree with muslims on everything but I think he is right about 'Allah' not being understood correctly by most people, maybe by anyone? but I think we are having a shot at it at least...
'Humans are created...there is no creation'
Yeah that sounds contradictory...Erm what I was trying to say was yes humans are created as in our physical bodies have come from our parents, grown bigger through nourishment etc. But that the 'creation story' i.e. that first there was nothing and then there was the universe, the 'big bang' theory etc I do not think is true. First there was nothing and then there was something - huh? Physics tells us that energy cannot be created or destroyed, everything is infinity. So it is like, going round in a circle. Unless we have the belief that 'nothing' is also a facet of 'awareness' which is also a way of understanding God. Whatever - my head is hurting so much now!
I like this
http//blogs.blueletterbible.org/blb/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2011/08/selfexistent.jpg
Peace.
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Can you quote my contradictory statement ?
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I believe that the actual word means "Contravener" ,
or we could say that it is more accurate to say it is. . .
It is not "Disbeliever", "Rejecter", "Denier", or even "Opposition"
On the above post, you said that
I believe that the actual word means "Contravener",
You also said that
It is not "Disbeliever", "Rejecter", "Denier", or even "Opposition"
Conclusion from your post ---> "muslims" believe that "Contravener" is not "Disbeliever"
However, later on... you said otherwise...
Disbeliever = Contravener
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However, later on... you said otherwise...
Okay, you misunderstood, or careless, or quote mining . . .
I was speaking about "Covenant", and the symbol (=) does not infer that I agree the Disbeliever is the Contravener. . .
Read the post before it. . .
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606576.msg351236#msg351236
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606576.msg351237#msg351237I believe no one should use "oppose" if it is related to breach of contract or breach/violation of law and order, it is quite absurd to use that term. Go ask any lawyers, or those with legal backgrounds. . . What terms they used when speaking in court or drafting legal documents? "Oppose" or "in contravention"? . . . Therefore, it is quite absurd to use the term "disbeliever", "rejecter", "denier", "opposition" when it is relating to the violation of law and order in the Quran, when it is relating to "compliance".
However and when we used the word "contravene", people will asked contravene what ? Therefore, people will be reminded and the context will be closely related to their Covenant with God, ie. their promises and the terms and conditions of their Covenant in the Quran. All these terms and conditions is referring to Islam, and Muslim are those who obey their promises to God. The non Muslim are those who breach or in contravention of their Covenant. The focus is now on the Quran, on balance and justice . . . and not on belief that cannot be proven through facts. It is about balance, and it is about justice.
and then I said (together with the definition of Conformers). . .
Disbeliever = Contravener
Muslim = ConformerTherefore, the symbol (=) means the Disbeliever should be changed and means Contravener
and the word Muslim, should be changed and means Conformer
because it is about breach of covenant with Allah . . .
So, where is the contradiction ?
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It is up to you. . . the facts and context are very clear and you can keep pretending to yourself. laugh
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Oh really?? ..... perhaps what you need is this "".
Huh ? What does that suppose to mean with my explanation ?
Disbeliever Contravener
Muslim ConformerEveryone knows the words is not the same. . .so does it means it should not be changed to Contravener and Conformer? rotfl