I am God

Scribbler

Dear muslims,

May peace be upon you.

Can you please give us a single verse from the entire Quran, just one single verse from the whole Quran where Allah directly / unambiguously tells us that we are gods?

You quote the verse where Allah says "there is no god...". This part - "there is no god" is NOT sufficient evidence to assert that we are gods. I am kindly asking you that can you please show us a single verse from ONLY the Quran without reffering to any other man-made books where Allah Himself has said that we are gods?

I am asking you a question very simply, so you also please reply simply by quoting a single verse from the Quran which clearly says what you are saying, i.e. we are gods.

Regards.

muslims

Can you please give us a single verse from the entire Quran, just one single verse from the whole Quran where Allah directly / unambiguously tells us that we are gods?

NOR is there to Him ANY EQUIVALENT (112.4)

"No duality of matter or concept etc about Allah" (ie. shirk, though some is forgiven) . . .

Try disapprove that statement with "all true premises" and "proper structure of argument"
and as you said, make it clear and simple.

whose ytuhu ( ) have been made firm

Scribbler

NOR is there to Him ANY EQUIVALENT (112.4)

"No duality of matter or concept etc about Allah" (ie. shirk, though some is forgiven) . . .

Try disapprove that statement with "all true premises" and "proper structure of argument"
and as you said, make it clear and simple.

Again dear brother muslims, you have quoted 1124 which does not explicitly say that we are gods. You are simply ignoring all other clear verses of the Quran and quoting a few verses without understanding their true meanings and somehow trying to connect them indirectly with your concept of we being gods.

muslims

Of course it is saying like that. . .

The word "NOR" and "ANY EQUIVALENT" exclude the "duality" of any "matter and concept" understand by human beings.

Therefore, the word "GOD' must have its structure or "interpretation provision". . . .
because "God" is also referring to so many things in the Quran, including self, scholars, prophets etc
it is "equivalent" and contradicting 112.4

Therefore, how do you explain this "equivalent" of "matter and concept" with Allah ?

Here is the rule for correct interpretation

Do they not reflect on the Qur'an? <-- is referring to the interpretation
If it was from any other than God <-- wrong interpretation
they would have found in it many a discrepancy. <-- if there is discrepancy, it is not the correct interpretation
482

Please answer this issue without using fallacy.

muslims

What is God?

God is desire, God is dreams. . .

Have you seen the one who takes as his god his own desire?
Then would you be responsible for him?
25.43

it is what created all religions in today's world. . etc.

. . .

and this is us. . "NO GOD" (0)

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and . . . this is the system.

. . .

Then we have experiences, emotions, etc. . .
Then people starts telling us lies . . .

and we become "I AM GOD" (1)

. . .

and our journey is to become "NO GOD" (0), voluntarily or by compulsion. . .

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because the formula is. . .

No (&#1575 god (&#1614 Only (&#1575 Allah (&#1615

No god (0) only Allah (1)
Say He, Allah, is One (112.1)

This is reality. Ahad!

muslims

This is the description of "NO GOD"

Unquestionably, the allies of Allah
there will be
no fear concerning them (NO GOD)
nor will they grieve (NO GOD)
1062

AND this how true believers look like in the real world, at least almost . . . NO GOD, NO RELIGION. . . .

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWE3BPUGC5Y

ie. . . no fear concerning them (NO GOD)
nor will they grieve (NO GOD)

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NO GOD (0), free from fault and sin. . . free from Shirk. Freedom. . .

Man_of_Faith

Peace,

'Nor is there any equivalent to Him"

No. Obviously not because God is way beyond any other being in power. Hence no equivalent.

"If it was from anyone other than God they would have found discrepancies"

This phrase is implying that the reader reflects upon the divine origin of the recitation and not your misplaced statement.

The word God/Allah is not referring to anyone except the The Master.

No religion/sect I can agree with, but no god I do not buy. Try another tale too.

Jane

@ I am sorry Jane, unless you are a native Arabic speaker, or you are linguistically expert at Arabic, or you have been living in the Middle East for half a decade or more at the very very least, your claim of knowing the correct translation of "Allah" is completely unjustified, much less capable of any credibility.

"The one" in Arabic would be "Al-waahid". "Al-awal" would be "the first". "Al-Ahad" would be "The one and only".

No I am not an arabic speaker nor do I think there is a 'correct' translation, I do think there can be incorrect translations however. But I agree with muslims that translating it as 'God' when it is more like 'the God' which to ME is the same concept even if it is not necessarily the same word as 'the one' i.e. all that is, is more correct than simply 'God' because I believe the whole idea of identifying an awareness separate from your own awareness i.e. your true self is duality, which is another kind of idol worship.

If you have read the Quran you will no doubt know that.... God has not created this universe except that it and every thing in it worships God. So what is this being true to yourself? How can you be? The Quran warns us to be aware of God and to "restrain the self". Hence our very lives and every thing is dedicated to God and God's pleasure if we are believers.

I have read the Quran yes, all the way through, several times and have been studying it on and off for 14 years now. My current understanding is that your true self, free of any interference I believe is pure nothingness, it is 'awareness' and no more.

Awareness of what? Awareness.

God as in a spirit in the sky cannot exist when there is awareness. Our real experience of ourselves is us being aware. Muslims is right - we do not exist as we think we do, at our core we are nothing but awareness. The outer human self that separates us from each other is ego - I believe God instructs all of us, in daily life as well as in all scriptures (not just the Quran) to kill the ego. 'Restraining the self' as you put it = kill the ego. Not deny your true self/'the one'/awareness/God.

I am under the impression Jane, that you are using the bible to confirm the Quran,

This is probably impossible considering that the Quran came later.

"Be still and know that I am God", this is the foundation of the Christian faith, I.e. since prophet Jesus is believed by Christians to be the son of God, hence he is God. Prophet Jesus did not say anything of the like nor could he say such a thing,

This psalm is not the foundation to the christian faith as it predates Jesus' existence. I am not sure why you are bringing Jesus into it anyway? Psalm 4610 is part of God's instruction to the Jewish/Israelite people, it is nothing to do with Jesus or the trinity. There is no need to bash me with why christians are deluded, I am aware of their errors, I am not currenlty one and have not been one for about 15 years.

"Be still and know that I am God" was not mis-translated nor misunderstood but injected by humans, corrupting scripture.

You have no proof of this. The gospels were changed several times and the writings by early christians were added along with them to suit the ideology of the trinity yes. But the psalms pre-date them. Plus they are more like poetry - I think it would be hard to inject words to the psalms without it messing up the word flow and being obvious.

What you quote from the Quran - that God blew from Its spirit, agreed, but are we told anything else? no! When you practically know nothing about what the spirit is or its nature, do you say about God what you know not without knowledge?

I can only say how I experience God as 'the one', I don't think this is blasphemous. Saying 'God says this/that' I think is wrong. I don't think I have done that.

Also, this is proof from the Quran, "God called to Moses from the burning bush", "Moses said My Lord let me look upon You" God said " you will not see me...." All this 100% refers to a separate entity.

Not necessarily. 'You will not see me' could also be because He can not be seen. God to me is kind of like formless nothingness, nothing but awareness. I try to imagine it but my head hurts. How do you see awareness? But our awareness is also us right? Is not separate.

And the parting of the sea, was that the feat of Israelites and Moses? Or was it God's?

There is no 'God'. The israelites were aware of it happening, I think their awareness and belief was making it happen through the angels' leave.

"And man was created weak/frail". How can you say that we are not helpless?

I do not feel helpless when I am aware.

If you were a part, even a mere minuscule part of God you would be without need. No, we are created beings by the Creator we know as "The God" and so we are separate, yet heavily dependent.

The ego demands separation but it is an illusion. We are not part of God as we do not exist. There is no God and there is no 'we'. There is awareness. The one awareness that can manifest anything that the awareness wills. That is all there is.

It needs some lateral thought...have a try before you get all hot and bothered .

Peace.

Jane

Dear muslims,

May peace be upon you.

Can you please give us a single verse from the entire Quran, just one single verse from the whole Quran where Allah directly / unambiguously tells us that we are gods?

Nobody ever said that. That is a blasphemy yes.

Experiencing God/awareness as 'the one' as our true experience of ourselves is not, that is the difference.

muslims

Peace,

'Nor is there any equivalent to Him"

No. Obviously not because God is way beyond any other being in power. Hence no equivalent.

. . .

The word God/Allah is not referring to anyone except the The Master.

No religion/sect I can agree with, but no god I do not buy. Try another tale too.

The above doesn't explain the inconsistency, ie. the "duality of matter and/or concept". . ie. "equivalent" of idea and concept, ie. Godhood etc. .
(sometimes it may become some form of Shirk, or forgiven)

other than repeatedly insist that it is not true. . . and other irrelevant statements.

. . .

"If it was from anyone other than God they would have found discrepancies"

This phrase is implying that the reader reflects upon the divine origin of the recitation and not your misplaced statement.

Of course it is including the translation and interpretation

How could people understand/compare the message of the Quran if they did not translate and interpret it? confused

Here is the rule for correct interpretation

Do they not reflect on the Qur'an? <-- is referring to the interpretation
If it was from any other than God <-- wrong interpretation
they would have found in it many a discrepancy. <-- if there is discrepancy, it is not the correct interpretation
482

muslims

There is the "law of cause and effect"

God/god or deity is the "effect"

The "cause" is human "desires". . .

From these "desires", they create religions, kill etc. . .

Therefore, I believe . . .

God/god = Human Desires . . .

No God = No Desires (ie. which inconsistent with the Quran)

God is desire, God is dreams. . .

Have you seen the one who takes as his god his own desire?
Then would you be responsible for him?
25.43

Jane

Peace,

I.e, you do not think there is a superpower in the galaxies. What do you get from reading the book called "Quran"? It is quite absurd to say it is idolatry to have faith in that superpower.

And sure we have a part of God in some ways as we are on the same platform, and we live within that platform. But as for God that is a tremendously greater power than us weaklings of humans. We are creations.

With your thinking you will need to explain the creation and how it came into existence. It will likely lack a viable explanation. Your faith is approximately similar to those who do not have faith at all, god or not, atheists.

Yourself as "the One"?

I am guessing this is aimed at me so I will answer.

I do not think there is a superpower in the galaxies no, I think there is awareness which can bring into existence anything at all. Like 'the force' in the star wars movies, they are aware of it, do they think it is separate from them? No. So how have we created this 'God' persona that is separate from us? Idolatry is so common do we think we have magically escaped it just 'cause we don't associate with religious folk? The Quran constantly says to 'be aware' that is mainly what I get from it.

Human bodies are creations yes, but our experience of ourselves as humans is nothing but awareness I think. Awareness of what? All that is. Which is what? Awareness. Which part does God fit into then? I do not understand it myself entirely and I think that is impossible anyway. All I know is that the current 'God persona' idea feels wrong. There is no creation and there was never a point that anything 'came' into existence. That is how we understand the physical world as a linear thing but really everything has existed for eternity I think.

Not 'myself' as the one no, but what I experience as 'the one' yes.

Peace.

muslims

I believe there is nothing in the Quran can be used to conclusively interpret Allah, no one knows about Allah

It can only be used to interpret the Deen and ourselves etc. . . ie. creations

Jane

Apparently this guy knows how to experience Allah/Yahweh/God/awareness/the Master/our higher selves/the One.

http//www.deida.info/books/finding-god-through-sex

Have not tried it though, lol.

From the description on the site

"...Deida brings wisdom gained from 30 years of work with thousands of couples to illustrate the distinct yet complementary avenues men and women can skillfully travel toward untamed passion and sacred unity. What unfolds is an unparalleled roadmap to the place where we love as the cosmos loves One loving itself as an other, yet remembering itself as One.

Ta dah!

muslims

Maybe that is the origin of religion , finding God. laugh

JavaLatte

Human bodies are creations yes,

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There is no creation and there was never a point that anything 'came' into existence.

? ? ? ? ? ?

Btw, are you and "Rachel84" is the same person?

Peace.

muslims

Sometimes I wonder whether all the words is correctly translated as "god" and so that they can make Islam as a "religion" (&#1576

Alif-Lam-ha = to serve, worship or adore; to protect, grant refuge, preserve save, rescue, liberate; object of worship ie God; (Alif-Lam-Lam-ha) God, the one true God applied as a proper name denoting the true god, comprising all the excellent divine names; a unity comprising all the essences of existing things.

Lane's Lexicon, Volume 1, pages 119- 120

muslims

? ? ? ? ? ?

This is interesting and the issue is there are creations, but no one can prove existence. . .

and yes, existence and reality always exist, but can you prove it exist ?

refer here http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqnEGu8VF8Y

Therefore, we know nothing about existence, and this corroborates with the facts that there is "No God" (0). .

not about us. . but about our "sense perception", deaf, dumb and blind. . .

Deaf, dumb and blind - so they will not return. (2.1

and we don't realize the reality because "I am God" (1)

Being living in our dreams/nightmares, and being blinded by our own spotlights. .

. . .

Whether sunlight existed ?

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Or it is the sun ?

JavaLatte

"Muslims", you also ever post contradictory statements on another thread.

In fact, between you and "Jane" is not really aligned on this issue.

To me, you're both just agreed in the statement (sentence) which is the title of this thread.

Peace.

muslims

"Muslims", you also ever post contradictory statements on another thread.

Can you quote my contradictory statement ?

or perhaps . . . you misunderstood it ?

In fact, between you and "Jane" is not really aligned on this issue.

To me, you're both just agreed in the statement (sentence) which is the title of this thread.

Yes, I think we both agreed that it is "nonsense" to claim anything about Allah

Allah this, Allah that, Allah this, Allah that. . bla. . . bla. . . bla. . . bla. . . "nonsense"

Awareness of what? All that is. Which is what? Awareness. Which part does God fit into then?

and further, that's the point, no one knows about Allah. . . and no can claim knowing what Allah feels about them.

it is evidence based, if you are a believer. . prove it
prove that you obey all the commands and make use your sense perception and achieve something to benefit the humanity.
simple living and no nonsense. . .